Circumcision: The History of Metzitzah BʼPeh Disease Transmission

More than 200 years of disease and death transmitted through metzitzah b'peh, the direct mouth-to-genital suction done by mohels to the bleeding just-circumcised-penises of baby boys.

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Comments

[Ken P.]

I vote for HTML. It's easier to read and better for Google. And for cutting and pasting in emails to one's local Orthodox rabbi.

[A. Nuran]

To quote my father - urologist, mohel, FACS, FAUS, past president of the PNWUS - on the subject of MBP

Aaack! Disgusting! That's horrible! How can they even think of this?

[westernjew]

Jews these days who want to be holier than the rest of the 'unorthodox' jews will go to great lengths to preserve uncanny unrealistic ways of being in order to slaughter the integrity of the dignified jewish souls regardless of their code or creed. MBP is simply barbaric and inhumane and has no conjecture to be used in any dignified sense. A circumcision is a circumcision.

[J.]

Look how the Charedi media lies: http://www.bhol.co.il/Article.aspx?id=44560
The article claims that the proposed law will ban MBP, when that is simply untrue. It says
ועדת הבריאות של העיר עומדת להכריע מחר בנושא האיסור על מנהג ה'מציצה בפה' בברית מילה
Translation: "The NY Health Ministry is going to reach a decision tomorrow on forbidding the custom of MBP during bris mila."
I suppose if your constituents have no access to the mainstream media it's pretty easy to reinforce their delusions of persecution.

[Maskil]

Your entire "history" is based on "germ theory," which is just that--a theory. Why don't you present the other side of the argument by relating to the same event from the perspective of intelligent affliction theory? The results will be that all the children died of infant mortality, which was common, while MBP is a holy tradition that cannot cause damage of any kind and is actually therapeutic.

But you axiomatically take something that is only one theory because it demonizes Jews, which is clearly your only interest.

[dh]

Ooo, miasma. Be still my heart... and sewage --- always a good read.

Here's another question for no one to answer. Back in the good ole days when personal filth was all the rage (did you ever read Bill Bryson on this, it's a scream) were the Jews were doing the mikva thing? That would make them the cleanest people around. Surely they didn't drop dead at the rates of the more crusty. If they weren't studying the causes of infant mortality, is it likely that many of them in the Jewish communities were not, in fact, dying of plagues but of diseases passed through mbp?

[dh]

Maskil, it's not called 'germ theory' now. Now it's called microbiology.

oy.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Maskil
"MBP is a holy tradition that cannot cause damage of any kind and is actually therapeutic."

Well, this post just self-destructed itself. =/

[Doggies.]

I have an idea for Maskil. Let's find a man with an HIV infection. We'll cut your penis and then let him suck on it. Does that sound therapeutic? In normal society, anytime an adult male is caught with his mouth on a baby boy's gentials would be arrested for sexual molestation. How does Maskil defend MBP now?

[Hamish McHorny]

Excellent parody on creationist and similar chareidim type thinking there Maskil! Top work!

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: Maskil | September 12, 2012 at 01:34

Germs aren't proven to cause disease? It's just a theory? I hope you're being satirical. It's hard to believe that anyone could say that with serious intent.

[Nobody]

Interesting - where in the"heilege velt" did these saintly degenerates pick up so many hideous *oral* STDs? Them or their douchebag spouses must have been licking/sucking much disesed genitalia, so the scum mohel can suck baby penis as a tikun for his sexual depravity (see R. Nachman et al regarding this).

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Alzheimer
"Could someone please tell me again, what does MBP stand for, I forgot."

MBP (acronym, English): "An acronym describing a certain Religious Jewish ritual rite of passage"; (question, English): "An acronym user by poster Alzhimer to ask 'Could someone please tell me again, what does MBP stand for, I forgot.' for the millionth time, as this particular troll joke never gets old."

[Jesus]

Shmyra get off this topic you fat cock sucking piece of human waste. Ur mom should have had an abortion and killed your fat ass. You are such a piece of shit self hating Jew. I hope that you will be captured by Arabs and they will rip out your eyes and heart while you are still alive( since you love Arabs so much and you don't realize they hate you).

[DickSucker]

Could someone please tell me again, what does MBP stand for, I forgot.

Posted by: Alzheimer | September 12, 2012 at 05:36 AM

metztizah b’peh (MBP), the direct mouth-too-bleeding penis suction done by mohels immediately after removing the baby’s foreskin. It is believed that this is done as sexual gratification to the mohel as well as some perverse action to infect the child to make him feeble minded and pliable to hassi"dick" teachings.

[Chief Hole-in-the-Sheet]

Could someone please tell me again, what does MBP stand for, I forgot.

Posted by: Alzheimer | September 12, 2012 at 05:36 AM

Isn't it obvious? My Baby's Prick

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Ken P.
"I vote for HTML. It's easier to read and better for Google. And for cutting and pasting in emails to one's local Orthodox rabbi."

I don't if he posted the link after he saw your reply, but there's a PDF version (with link), below the image, and it's editable on Adobe Acrobat Reader (cut/paste from).

[WoolSilkCotton]

Wonderful! So many different varieties of The History of the Hasidic Penis Sucking Ritual.

What a wonderful religion. Too bad this isn't 1000 years ago.

[Rebitzman]

Your entire "history" is based on "germ theory," which is just that--a theory

Yeah - everybody knows that e-coli is just an athiest concept, a virus something God uses to punish you for using a comupter, and germs just cause bad breath.

[jancsibacsi]

Maskil--You belong in an insane asylem not among the civilized population you fool of fools.

[Bob Guthrie]

"History of Metzitzah BʼPeh Disease Transmission."

From 1811 onwards:

*From single digits to 100s of infections on MBP circumcised infants through the years, some of the deaths on an "Epidemic level".
*Along with Herpes, infants contracted from metztizah b’peh's mohelim such other varied diseases as tuberculosis, syphilis, cellulitis, and diphtheria.
*"Once MBP use had been stopped," infections became became exceedingly rare.

Ooh, the usual "crowd" is not going to like this data. I wonder if they are going to claim that this slice of MBP medical history is only 0.0024% true, part of President Obama's master abortion plan, or a total lie, as only "ONE out of FIFTY THOUSAND" Jewish babies as ever died since the inception of MBP.

You know the old saying "Leave well alone"?. Well, if these Harpos had just used pipettes, or better sanitary cheeks on practicing mohels, followed health recommendations, and generally policed themselves health safety wise, the medical incidents involving the infected infants:

*Would not have gotten all the way up to the NYC Health Board.
*The Ravs would not have being told what to do.
*The Ravs would not have complained and refuse to do so loudly to the world.
*It would not have started to gather public interest.
*The Agudah Ravs wouldn't have been so crazy to sue the city for this,...
*...And articles such as "Penis-Sucking Mohels Fight City's "Evil Decree" To Inform Parents About Circumcision Ritual" (The Gothamist), would not have started to appear... and propagate.

Google "penis sucking mohel"... Woah, 100s of hits, 14+ pages deep in results! (same with Bing! and Yahoo Search. Oh, Almighty!, even China's Baidu search engine is returning hits,... some in Chinese News sites!). XD

And look, you extremist Charedim nutballs, the Gothamist's article about "P*nis Sucking Mohels" made it to Stormfront.org,... Can you say "news propagation overdrive"? (I knew you couldn't).

Naw, for the lack of the extremist Rabbis' handling on just basic MBP health guard options, this morning, metztizah b’peh and MBP are becoming household words, and "Penis-Sucking Mohels" will now become part of the World's lore.

*clap* Bravo

(Next time you guys complain about MBP's increasing bad press, pat Agudath in the back for the NYC lawsuit idea). =P

[Bob Guthrie]

@Everybody.

Guys, Maskil is a plant. a well informed, common net troll that just picks the right words to push our buttons

"MBP is a holy tradition that cannot cause damage of any kind and is actually therapeutic" may seem like a normal extremist Charedim or supporter's statement, but it's got enough grace on its jab composition to give the troll up.

Naw, just run of the mill babble rouser. Nothing to get upset about.

Just keep a look out for the "regulars".

[rebitzman]

Shmyra get off this topic you fat co** sucking piece of human waste.

This is always the language I use when I'm trying to convince someone that their point of view is flawed.

[OnceIsNotEnough]

Wonderful! So many different varieties of The History of the Hasidic Penis Sucking Ritual.

What a wonderful religion. Too bad this isn't 1000 years ago.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | September 12, 2012 at 06:37 AM

I think we should have daily articles on MBP.

[Phil]

Serious question - there are claims that this "minhag" - I prefer depravity - is based on kabbalistic sources.

Does anybody have any idea what those are? Just so we know what the real motivation is of these nutters.

[Jack]

Serious question - there are claims that this "minhag" - I prefer depravity - is based on kabbalistic sources.

Does anybody have any idea what those are? Just so we know what the real motivation is of these nutters.

Posted by: Phil | September 12, 2012 at 09:55 AM

Hogwash, it's all about sex. The mohels are sexual deviants who get ther jollies sucking the penis of young boys. Simple as that. The sooner we lock up these pedophiles the better.

[Deremes]

Question to all of you try to obey torah umitzvot and not to the perverts who say that MBP is all about pedophilia:
we have the klal that Chamira secanta m'Issura and the torah tells us Venishmartem meod lenafshoteichem the Talmud tells us Vechai bahem': velo shayamus bahem how is it then that Metzitzah B'peh knowing in all generations how dangerous it is and many say that it has no basis in halacha that the poskim didnt say we MUST stop this and it has the din as Meisu Echav Machmas Milah? i mean,those days the poskim weren't overtaken by the extreme frumma like today so just as they had the power in making many different minhagim how come they didn't pasken to stop it all together?

Again,question is not to the perverts.

[jancsibacsi]

mbp is all about being insane the more insane you are the more you are feared and feel all powerfull,no one in their right mind can justify mbpin todays world a thousand years ago yes but not totay,as the saying goes do as he says he is insane, meaning an insane person is left alone since he is out of his mind everyone fears to challenge him its that simple.

[jancsibacsi]

DeremesYou show youre true colors quating the toreh shows that you are a robot cant think on his own shame on you left youre brain in toilet.

[Deremes]

Janci,you are the best.I admire your intelligence and sharp brain.

[jancsibacsi]

Deremes-- No one is a bigger pervert then those who actually accept and do mbp,so youre the last one to talk about perverts.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Jancsi 11:45, very true, here at work we say if you want people to be afraid of you and leave you alone just walk around looking very angry.

[PrettyBoyFloyd]

Janci don't forget to take your meds, di Ungarisher Drek

[Bob Guthrie]

@PrettyBoyFloyd
"Janci don't forget..."

Jeez, Pretty!. Just marry jancsibacsi already!. You been puppy stalking him for the last 10 articles. Just propose already!.

Or take a cold shower. =/

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: Deremes
"Janci,you are the best.I admire your intelligence and sharp brain."

Dismissive, yet insulting. Deremes, just disrespect, don't try to use faux contempt mirth.

You haven't used it before, and it's painfully obvious now that you are trying to make it part of your routine.

Stick to your old shtick, bubbe.

[Bob Guthrie]

@Deremes

Again, this is a question you "failed" to answer before:

*You justify even one single infant death by metzitzah b’peh based on a religious law decision set by fallible human beings.

*Would you vouch that G-d himself would justify the death of a single one of his children due to metzitzah b’peh?.

(Let's see if you have the cojones to answer this time).

[Hugh7]

"Aaack! Disgusting! That's horrible! How can they even think of this?"

You seem focussed on the sucking. What the baby - and often the man he grows up to be - really objects to is the cutting.

[jancsibacsi]

Bob Guthrie- bob he is doing this shtick telling me i am the best admires me since he himself hasnt got the willpower to change his tune and he knows he is dead wrong but has to tow the line as they say so by acting in this manner he ackowledges that i am the one he would like emulate its my take on this i dont take it as disrespect i pity him.as they say in yiddish zay nisht kayn nar hob nisht kayn tzar.

[jancsibacsi]

PrettyBoyFloyd-Di ferd ih bin nisht ungarish.

[A. Nuran]

Hugh7, I was circumcised and am perfectly happy with the state of my dick. If you aren't, my condolences. My father is speaking as a physician who is aware of the horrible risks of infection, especially given a newborn's non-existent immune system

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