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September 24, 2012

Israelis Killed In Car Accident With Non-Kosher Animal – Which Haredi Paper Refuses To Name

Hamodia 9-22-2012 wild boar not mentionedTwo Israelis were killed when the car they were in struck a wild animal on a West Bank road. A haredi paper reported the accident – but would not name the animal, allegedly because it is not kosher.

Hamodia 9-22-2012 wild boar not mentioned

Jameel reports that haredi newspapers' fear of mentioning 'impure' things has been taken to another ridiculous extreme.

Two nights ago, two Israelis were killed when the car they were in struck a wild boar on a West Bank road.

Here is how the Israeli edition of Gerrer hasidic-controlled Hamodia newspaper reported the incident (the translation is Jameel's):

“In a head on collision last night, in which 2 “wild other things” ran into the road, 2 men in their 40′s were killed.

The accident took place in the area between Tapuach and Migdalim in the Shomron.  Magen David Adom’s (Israel’s emergency medical and rescue service) attempts failed to save the wounded, and doctors pronounced the men dead on the scene.  MDA reported that next to the car were 2 dead “wild other things” and it is assumed they caused the fatal accident.” [emphasis added]

That's right.

Hamodia would not write the word "boar," presumably because a boar is a pig, and pigs, chazzer, are the paradigm non-kosher animals.

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Ignorance rules! Since when does writing about a non kosher animal have an effect on the population?

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Roflmao

Shmarya, you seem shocked. I guess you don't know that all hassidics regularly substitute, in their everyday-speech, the word "davar acher" for "pig".

"Davar acher" means "A different thing".

The newspaper would therefore be writing in their readers' language.

The issue isn't the newspaper itself. The issue is the everyday language of hasidic people. The newspaper simply writes in the hasidic language.

In fact, if you look carefully, you will see that the newspaper actually wrote "davar acher boar". Thus, the newspaper DID in fact write the word boar, but since most of their readers probably never heard of the word boar, they needed to add that it was a "davar acher".

Ignorance rules! Since when does writing about a non kosher animal have an effect on the population?

Posted by: Alter Kocker | September 24, 2012 at 08:45 AM

they need to reprint many seforin now


That's right.

Hamodia would not write the word "boar," presumably because a boar is a pig, and pigs, chazzer, are the paradigm non-kosher animals.

Wrong.

They wrote "boar". They added "davar acher" before the word boar, because their readership routinely describes a pig as a "davar acher".

oy gevalt the insanity just keeps on developing into a deep seeded paranoia until all hell breaks loose theese fanatical hassidim are going bunkers and dont even realize it

if one eats a wild boar on yom kippur does one need to make a bracha

Guys, the word that they wrote after davar acheir is "bar," which means "wild" in Aramaic. They wrote "a wild davar acheir."

Does the Torah mention 'pig' directly?

Golly Gee time to erase that word from the parchment

Condolences to the families of the men who were killed.

It's fortunate that both occupants were of the same gender. Just imagine if it was a man and a woman, together, in the same car!

Having two umnentionable topics (the boar and the mixed seating) in the one article would require urgent visits to the mikvah.

So they said davar acher as a euphemism for swine, what's the big deal? Their audience will understand, where's the problem?

if one eats a wild boar on yom kippur does one need to make a bracha

Posted by: seymour | September 24, 2012 at 08:57 AM

If you have to eat treif to survive (e.g. lost in the desert and starving) whether on Y.K. or not you don't make a bracha.

Since boar is mentioned in scripture
I suspect its another case of a BT trying to look more knowedgeable than she is.

Since boar is mentioned in scripture
I suspect its another case of a BT trying to look more knowedgeable than she is.

Posted by: take it east | September 24, 2012 at 09:10 AM

Actually, the frumma routinely censor depictions of non-kosher animals in their "schools".

2 people dead...who cares...
but since "pig" isn't written in the newspaper, that's a sensation.

You know, Shmarya, that the gemara also uses "davar acher" to refer to a pig. Don't try and blame this on the charedim.

I was shocked with this, but now that I'm reading it it's just a wild boar. דבר אחר is as good as writing "pig" explicitely. It's an established euphamism. So much so that in yeshiva, when Rashi gives a second, alternate or additional explanation leading with 'ד"א' many students will jokingly read "dovor acher..." and transtale "...a pig...."

Had this been any other animal, or even an unspified animal, there might have been room for alarm. The article clearly identifies the animal as porcine.

Frummer than the Torah? After all, it mentions pigs, lions, bears, etc. I guess that great meikel, God, can't be relied on.

Actually the I'm on the mailling list and Elders didn't prohibit it in all our "schools". As far as I know only L have palsies over teddy bears though they allow the Rebbe's picture in the sanctuary.

Posted by: Isa | September 24, 2012 at 09:01 AM

There is a biblical verse stating "and an animal that is not pure" (אשר איננה טהורה) in place of "impure" (טמאה) and the Talmud or Midrash relates that this scripture teaches that G-d went out of his way to avoid using a word of negative connotation and that this is a queue for us to take initiative and use "clean speech." This is despite the fact that throughout the rest of the scripture the word "impure" is always used and that all the impure animals are named by name and that scripture is generally graphic and coarse. No one then, or since, has felt the need to "resolve" this because the nature of the homily is understood and is not really a conflict.

Basically, don't over-think it-- and take a chill pill. Everything's gonna be okay.

Yeah I think that if FM can mindlessly reprint a report claiming that a Jewish cabal of hundred were behind the video then we can cut Homeda some slack. After allbit at least got the facts of the case right all by itself.

Posted by: David | September 24, 2012 at 09:10 AM

interesting. question but did not god provide that non kosher meat for you to survive

Garnel - touché!

And where do their shtreimels come from?

So "boar ba-eish" at the Burning Bush means barbequed pork?
Like the Kelemer Rav said, "Yom Kippur is Ki-Purim."

hmmm...wild "other" thing...so wild thing 1 hits wild thing 2.

Frummer than the Torah? After all, it mentions pigs, lions, bears, etc. I guess that great meikel, God, can't be relied on.

Posted by: Garnel Ironheart | September 24, 2012 at 09:21 AM
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There are many verses in the Chumas/Five Books of Moses which the Chasidim do not read during krias hatora and do not teach in the cheider.

Lubavitchers,
You misunderstood what the word "bar" mean in Hebrew.It does not mean "boar" but rather "wild" "davar acher bar" would mean "another thing" a euphimism for "pig" and "bar" in this context would mean a non domesticated i.e wild

Two Israelis were killed when the car they were in struck a wild animal on a West Bank road. A haredi paper reported the accident – but would not name the animal, allegedly because it is not kosher.


I feel for the animal who could gets its 15 minutes of fame. I wish there were journalistic guidelines that all must follow. The paper should be heavily fined and all involved in this Biargate be fired!

Shmarya,

It seems your ox has been gored by the bores at the newspaper. But various haredi commenters are right in this case; davar achar is the semantic equivalent of a pig. In fact using the word chazer would have been misleading because it would have implied some undersirable aspects of the boar in this story.

Shmarya, I value your reporting on various and sundry haredi scandals and foolishness. I give you pretty high marks on getting essential facts right. You are the #1 go-to source for these things. However, in this case I think you goofed.

Shmarya,

This post needs to be retracted.

Just another Am Haaretz's of FM.
As i keep on saying that he has no clue what real life in the Orthodox world is all about and how they interact with with one another.So sell the bubkas to the folks who know nothing.Even die hard FM'nicks agree for once that this is Am Haaretz's.

Posted by: Yerachmiel Lopin | September 24, 2012 at 12:12 PM

The very fact that Orthodox Jews of any kind feel the need to refer to a pig using a euphemism, and would write a news report using only that euphemism, is appalling.

Worse yet, a wild boar is not a domesticated (so to speak) pig.

What these geniuses are doing is pretty close to referring to an orangutan as a "monkey."

It's fortunate that both occupants were of the same gender. Just imagine if it was a man and a woman, together, in the same car!

They're Gerrers; they would never report such a thing. In their world, even husbands and wives take separate routes to an event. Seriously.

There's a joke in the Hasidic world:

Non-Gerer: "Who was that lady I saw you with last night?"

Gerer: "Not my wife! Not my wife!"

hmmm...wild "other" thing...so wild thing 1 hits wild thing 2.


Maybe Maurice Sendak could've explained this to us all...clearly they were driving where the wild things are.

"Apalling?"
Really?!
Please.
People use euphomisms all the time for a variety of reasons. Sometimes its cute, sometimes its seems pointless, but only a single blogger living in his mothers basement still thinks hes right, dammit to stand up in fromt of the congreation and declare "I need to take a crap!"


The very fact that Orthodox Jews of any kind feel the need to refer to a pig using a euphemism, and would write a news report using only that euphemism, is appalling.


Posted by: Shmarya | September 24, 2012 at 12:33 PM


Why?


Lubavitchers,
You misunderstood what the word "bar" mean in Hebrew.It does not mean "boar" but rather "wild" "davar acher bar" would mean "another thing" a euphimism for "pig" and "bar" in this context would mean a non domesticated i.e wild

Posted by: richard | September 24, 2012 at 11:43 AM


Thanks Richard, I stand corrected.

Apalling?"
Really?!
Please.
People use euphomisms all the time for a variety of reasons. Sometimes its cute, sometimes its seems pointless, but only a single blogger living in his mothers basement still thinks hes right, dammit to stand up in fromt of the congreation and declare "I need to take a crap!"

Posted by: take it east | September 24, 2012 at 01:46 PM

Lets look at some other words and terms Hamodia won't use:

sex
rape
breast (as in breast cancer, breast self-examination, etc.)
pedophile
child sexual abuse
molestation
penis (as in groped boy's, or self-examine for discolorations, lumps or cysts)
vagina
genitals
genitalia
homosexuality
lesbianism

Pictures Hamodia won't print:

Any showing women, even just faces
Any pictures of little girls, even just faces
Even drawings or cartoons of women and girls, even just faces

You can't educate women to do breast exams if you can't write the word breast or the word nipple.

You can't properly educate parents about pedophilia unless you can use words to name genitalia.

Molested children don't have the vocabulary to explain what happened to them if they are never taught words for their genitals to begin with.

I could go on, but the point should be clear to anyone who isn't a troll.

Hamodia's 'modesty' actually hurts people.

Not writing "wild boar" is just another example of the silliness that drives the men who make these terrible decisions to censor these words and ideas.

The gemorah in Mesechtas Pesochim tell us that in parshas Noach where the Torah speaks about animals it doesn't define them as animals who are Tumah but as animals who are not clean.To teach us observant Jews not to talk dirty.Therefore, Hamodia which caters only to observant Jews prints stuff only that is suitable for orthodox Jews.
For instance on FM the word F... IS a very normal accepted word.Even though its disgusting and profane but the folks who use it don't know of any better.
Metzitzah B'peh which is part of mitzvos milah is described here as Penis sucking.
It could of been said as oral suction but penis sucking is more disgusting therefore its the norm on FM.
Orthodox Jews however who have a Torah that guides them refrain from taking dirty and pig chazer is a disgusting word therefore it is called davar acher

Posted by: Deremes | September 24, 2012 at 02:39 PM

Please.

If you can't tell the difference between writing the word "breast" in an article on cancer prevention and porn, or writing a euphemism for pig rather than "wild boar" in this article, you need much more educational and emotional help than anyone here can give you.

In ALL Yiddish newspapers there are advertisements from medical facilities that they do mammograms.In papers where they have articles about health they write how important it is for women to take a mammogram.And if they write mammogram people know what it means.Same goes for urologists with write ups and ads.So you prefer to write "breast" and modest people write more eidal.
Anyways,your die hard fans disagree with you on this one.

Deremes,

Although I am not orthodox, I do respect the nicer aspects of your religion. And this is definitely one of them. Speaking modestly is great, and especially when raising children. In the secular world, modesty is a virtue, except for the radical far-left circles.

I think that people who do not respect other religions and cultures are just as bad as the Taliban, and the extreme Muslims, who do not tolerate any other religions or cultures.

Most people in America are respectful of others' religion and/or culture. And especially issues of modesty and decency, like not discussing the breats or the vagina publicly.

Oh my. How could I confuse some dweebs desire to sound hip and knowledgeable by borrowing some Talmudic lingo for her article with a plot to rape children. Now that you explain it so very lucidly everyone who isn't you actually can get your point.
As for the paranoia and alienation that makes you positive that every other parent is blind and neglectful to the safety of their children, allow me to very gently point to a commen behaviour that may seem
tangentual but is actually very relevent: how many parents actually install car seats correctly or keep there kids in boosters until the recomended ages. Being wrong just isn't the crime you think it is.

Posted by: Deremes | September 24, 2012 at 03:19 PM

You equate words like "Lion, Tiger," or "Boar" with vulgar language like f***??

That's absolutely ridiculous.

By the way, NYT posted a picture of a 3rd grade teacher holding a pupils face in her hands. Didn't they get the Protocal about the loss of innocense in todays society and how violating the no touch rule can progress to grooming, white slavery, and having your Favebook page disected by bliggers?

Charedi are so cute when they daven upside down.

Maybe they hit a woman?

Did I see that someone- Deremes- mentioned the HASIDIC PENIS SUCKING RITUAL?

i'll have a smoked turkey other thing sandwich please.

Shmarya, as always you just miss the point!

What the commenters are saying is that this is the way pig is referred to by chareidim. So why are you attacking the the Hamodia???

But as always, your hatefulness just blinds your common sense...

Shmarya, as always you just miss the point!

What the commenters are saying is that this is the way pig is referred to by chareidim. So why are you attacking the the Hamodia???

But as always, your hatefulness just blinds your common sense...

Posted by: Shua | September 25, 2012 at 02:37 AM

A wild boar is not a pig, Shua.

A wild boar is not a pig, Shua.
Posted by: Shmarya | September 25, 2012 at 03:40 AM

Oh please! There you go again...

As a chareidi myself I can tell you that we don't differentiate between wild boar and domesticated pig. Both are referred to in the same manner.

Sorry for confusing you with the facts! I'm aware of your aversion to reality/facts, nevertheless, sometimes they have to be introduced.

Again, I profusely apologize!

We all know that religious Jews don't eat pig but I am perplexed as to why they absolutely hate them?
The great hoaxers who wrote the barbaric torah probably decided to pick a random animal to stay away from. Why the pig? And how is it worse than an animal with no kosher signs? (The pig has split hooves).
A religious school in Sydney, Australia once removed the book Charlotte's Web from its library because the main character is a pig. How utterly ridiculous!
If you believe that it's one of 'god's creatures' then end this shameful hatred.

P.S. I don't want to hear comments about a great Webbe who once saw a pig lying on its back in mud and it was 'showing' the great Webbe that its hooves were split. What a load of shit!!!!
Religious Jews believe every story they hear about 'great' hassidim. They are so gullible and stupid. Why would a pig show a great Webbe that it's Kosher? Does it want to be eaten? Do pigs even have the ability to think cognitively? LOL!!!

I am very enjoyed for this blog. Its an informative topic.

Well the conversation seems to have drifted apart from the real issue.People died in the incident and everyone's arguing over what's kosher and what isn't.As for the newspaper, they need to stop publishing such silly articles.They need to be more sensible and open if they intend to do vernacular job else they should probably quit.

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