Whitewashing The Satmar Rebbe On The Anniversary Of His Death

It's the 33 yartzeit of the Satmar rebbe , Yoel Teitelbaum, and haredim associated with Edah Charedit figures (Rabbi Yair Hoffman, for example) and Satmar hasidim extoll the greatness of a man who was arguably one of the worst Jewish leaders in history.

 

In the 5 Towns Jewish Times, Rabbi Yair Hoffman writes that:

Those that knew the Satmar Rebbe, Rav Yoel Teitelbaum zt”l,  loved him.  After the Nazi beasts yimach shmam almost completely destroyed European Jewry, the Rebbe faced one of the most enormous challenges a spiritual leader could face.  And he succeeded.  The Satmar Rebbe rebuilt a broken nation, one person at a time.

He took broken men.  He taught them. He inspired them.…

Of course there were hard line positions that he had taken that were not understood by others.  But no matter where anyone stands, and by any yardstick, he was a Tzaddik Gammur and a Gadol HaDor.…

But Teitelbaum was a fraud, a man whose decisions killed Jews, a man who refused to thank his Zionist rescuers or to even acknowledge they had saved him. In pre-War Hungary, he was widely considered to be a bully and a thug.

If you want to really know who Joel Teitelbaum was and what kind of a man he was, read these posts:

The Satmar Rebbe and the Holocaust Part 1.

The Satmar Rebbe and the Holocaust Part 2.

Satmar Celebrates Anniversary Of Its Rebbe's Rescue From The Holocaust Without Thanking The Zionist Who Saved Him.

When Rebbes Fled and Followers were Slaughtered like Sheep.

The OCD Rebbe Of Satmar.

Comments

[Anonymous]

Do you have any proof that Yair Hoffman is Eidah? I'm pretty sure he's an Agudist.

[Fatso]

Big story here. Well done!

[jancsibacsi]

Its not that he was so bad as much as he was a hopeless dupe like the rest of his flock following others blindly and declaring that they are the true idiots who have the truth wraped up in their worldview, you cant be more of a self pompous ass then that.

[seymour]

many or most of the fierce anti Zionist group amongst yiddin is because of him and his interpretation of the 3 oaths

[Shmarya]

Do you have any proof that Yair Hoffman is Eidah? I'm pretty sure he's an Agudist.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 15, 2012 at 02:34 PM

He's close with Rabbi Shternbuch.

[jancsibacsi]

Bob Abooey-Say something once in a while instead of just barking here:)

[Satmar Rebbe]

here is a new 40 minute video of satmar rebbe that was on rabbi hoffman's article watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpxYK7vMUU

[jancsibacsi]

Iam dissapointed there is no sound in the videos and i didnt see any metzitz bp being done here, very disappointed

[Bassy the Haredi Slayer]

Thank you Shmarya for reminding us of the evil pig Yoelish which was as you said one of the worst Jewish Leaders.

As you can see his corrupted talmidim (Wingarten and co) you can see where they got from.

On a side note, If Katsner was deserve to get shot , it was for rescuing the ungrateful dog.

[Bassy the Haredi Slayer]

I know the Ger are not popular on this site but in my book they are the good guys...

The ArtScroll version:

One time the Satmar dog went to the Gerer Rebbe and said to him: " How could you say it is a mitzva to vote in the Israeli election ?"The Ger Rebbe answered: "It is a mitzva like eating maror in pesach"

The real version:

One time the Satmar dog went to the Gerer Rebbe and said to him in Yiddish: " How could you say it is a mitzva to vote in the Israeli election ?" The Ger Rebbe answered in Hebrew: " Don't tell me how to run my chasidut, go fuck yourself!"

[The facts]

Rabbi Hoffman has a family connection to Neturei Karta (by marriage). But he might have written such an article even without it.

It should be seen in context of a recent trend among some of the 'Yeshivishe' masses to glorify Satmar (ironically, at the same time that various other large Hassidic groups are breaking away from and opposing them).

Actually Yeshivishe gedolim like Rav Aharon Kotler stood up strongly to Satmar when he felt they were wrong, for example, in the 1950's he would go to Israel and encourage people to vote in the elections there, against the Satmar view that one should not, which the Satmar Rebbe was promoting energetically at the same time.

[No Light]

No Deremetic yet? He's slacking.

The Rebbe sounds like a swine who got where he was by scrambling over the back's of others.

For shame.

[SatmarRebbe]

here is a new 40 minute video of satmar rebbe that was on rabbi hoffman's article watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHpxYK7vMUU

Posted by: Satmar Rebbe | August 15, 2012 at 03:08 PM

Please do not use my screen name. Thank you.

[jancsibacsi]

Never in the worlds history have so many meshigeners gathers in one place,i think this is a world record needs to be put into the guiiness book right away.

[jancsibacsi]

NEver in the history of this world have there been so many gatherings in one place of meshugeners its a world record .

[PrettyBoyFloyd]

Hey Janci, don't forget to take your meds. Putz.

[jancsibacsi]

PrettyBoyFloyd-Didnt i tell to get killed,do it.

[Fleishike Kishke]

It YT's defense, he rode around in a cool convertible.

[common sense]

The man goes thru the Holocaust, keeps his faith and inspires a group of like-minded followers. There is no need to hate. So you don't agree with his ideologies, I get it, but not to put someone down like that. He also was a learned man-again worthy of respect in that regard. You don't have to agree with him. But don't be disrespectful.

[jancsibacsi]

common sense -Youre are lying he was never in the holocaust he was in a safe place where the war didnt touch him get youre facts straight, i dont hate him but see hassdism as a cult that is dictatorial.

[Abracadabra]

and inspires a group of like-minded followers

to hate others - namely Zionists - in other words - fellow Jews. And you find that worthy of respect?

[Gefilte Fish]

In other news, this year marks the 68th yahrzeit of the tens of thousands of Hungarian Jews who were duped by Teitelbaum into complacency or who were unable to escape because of his collaboration.

[Flatbusher]

There was tremendous survivor guilt among all Holocaust survivors: "Why did I live while my /children /wife /father /mother/brothers/ sisters/ etc. went into the gas chamber.

Among many leaders there was even more guilt as these 'seers' were blind, and led their people to slaughter.

So something had to give. For some it was fierce Zionisim and 'never again'.

For others including Satmar (actually YT was alone) it was severe hatred of Zionism.

Sad all around.

[SkepticalYid]

Yoilish Teitelbum was virulently. antiZionist long before the war.

[jancsibacsi]

Flatbusher- I came to the conclusion that this rabid anti-zionist stance is actually self hate, he hated himself and was projecting this unto the zionists,how can anyone like his own life if he doesnt have any say in it like wearing all those clothes in the 90 plus degrees and the beard with the phallic symbol payes,the answer is you cannot like youreself since you live a life of a perpetual clown.

[Moe]

The only reason these rabbis opposed Zionism is because it showed how useless the rabbis and their "leadership" really was. Through all the years they just let Jews be slaughtered time and again, and never came up with any solution. So when the maskilim came up with the idea of creating a Jewish state, and were successful at that, it really highlighted the rabbis failures.

[Holmes]

Yep, Yoylish was a real douchebag long before his anti-Israel phase. I'm referring to teaching kids in the Satmar yeshiva in Brooklyn that other that Satmar, "everyone else is garbage."

[Fleishike Kishke]

Rebbe Yolish
Spoke only Polish
and hated all the world
He banned the Hatikvah song
His thick white beard was four feet long
when entirely unfurled

[Fleishike Kishke]

*cursed in Polish

[Chief Hole-in-the-Sheet]

I once heard that the Satmar Rebbe only ate chicken portions from the right side of the chicken: right breast, right thigh, right polki, right wings. Does anyone know why this was his practice. Kabalah?

[Barry]

Teitelbaum's behaviour is not so much an example of self hate as of cognitive dissonance. The emotional and material investment the ultra orthodox make to incur God's justice and protection is extreme. The terrible reality which these Jews suffered during the war disproved this ideology in a manner which was bound to cause unimaginable dissonance.

The Clarion Cult members expected the world to end in 1954. They dealt with their cognitive dissonance by themselves taking credit for this disaster not occurring and congratulated themselves for the good that occurred when the world did not end. However the Holocaust had no good side, just a bad side, so Satmar had to find someone else to blame in line with their ideology rather than admit their ideology was wrong.

The Clarion cult expected bad but good happened. The Ultraorthodox expected good but bad happened. The Ultraorthodox (unlike the Clarion cult) are faced with further dissonance because they were faced with the troubling idea that ghettoism did not protect them as Teitelbaum claimed but rather that it endangered them by making them hated as Spinoza was the first (and not the last) to suggest. They therefore may have themselves unintentionally brought the disaster upon themselves and their families!

Hilter sought to blame 'Jewish backstabbers' for Germany losing the great war and its suffering thereafter because he could not face the fact Germans were not 'German Superiority' was matched and exceeded by the Allies and that Germany's defeat was therefore inevitable. Teitelbaum was no different finding it easier to blame a few men in the backwaters of British Mandate Palestine (and the lack of winterized trucks!) for the disasters failed ghetto ideology brought to Jews in Europe.

The more Yeshivish crowd are flocking to Satmar ideology because they are becoming more extreme so their dissonance with reality is growing.

Extreme religiosity is a mental condition.

[Jeff]

Extreme religiosity is a mental condition.

Posted by: Barry | August 16, 2012 at 05:07 AM

Absolutely. As I keep saying, there's a growing body of evidence that is strongly suggestive of a neurological foundation.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Barry, as usual I find your comments really insightful. The level of cognitive dissonance is palpable.

The lauding of Teitelbaum is sort of like the scene in Life of Brian, "what did the Romans ever do for us?"
With apologies to Yochanan Lavie, Monty Python, and the fact that this is not a song:

Reg pounds on the table. "Ok, let's get down to business. First point of order is our Rebbe. Now, except for the deaths caused by his complacency in Hungary, I think we can all say that he..."
Reg is interrupted.
"But what about his defense of MBP without the use of a pipette? Isn't that killing newborns and causing them brain damage today?"
Reg acknowledges the point. "Ah, right, ok, fair enough.... well then, except for the deaths caused by his complacency in Hungary, and promoting death and brain damage in newborns..."
He's interrupted again from a voice in the middle of the crowd.
"And his rabid anti-Zionism?"
A man wearing a funny fur hat joins in: "And the funny hats! Don't forget he made us all wear these silly hats in this heat!"
A man wearing a "school board president" button says, "and what about helping us set up a community where we steal public money to run our private schools and all live on welfare by pretending we're unmarried single parents?"
Reg takes a deep breath. "Well, I rather like my silly hat, but ok, ok, I'm with you. Alright then, except for the deaths caused by..."
He's interrupted again, this time by a man dressed up as a woman wearing a turban instead of a wig. "What about making women stand behind a wall instead of a mechitza at shul? He didn't exactly make things easier for us, you know!"
"Fine!" shouts Reg, impatiently cutting off further comments with the wave of his hand. He takes a deep breath, and starts speaking very quickly.
"Now! Except for the deaths caused by his complacency in Hungary, the newborns dead or brain damaged because of MBP, rabid anti-Zionism, the silly hats, creating the country's poorest town with a criminal use of public funding, and denigrating women, I think we can all agree that our Satmar Rebbe was just a regular stand up guy!"
Everyone shakes their heads and murmers in agreement.

[jancsibacsi]

Barry-The more Yeshivish crowd are flocking to Satmar ideology because they are becoming more extreme so their dissonance with reality is growing.
I wrote recently that about 50 years ago i remember the satmerers talking in our shul about yoels book and how the zionists were at fault for all tragedy to the jews well this generation is even more extreeme and sicker and they dont stop with their vicious hatred in fact this is what keeps them going having someone to hate so they can feel good about themselfs since they cannot stand themselfs either.

[God is not amused]

Very insghtfull read. All I know is I have friends and relatives in Monroe, NY and they have nothing good to say about Kiyras Joel/Satmars or the politicians who refuse to bring law and order to the Satmars disruption of the Village/Town of Monroe. Why would Mayor Purcell allow tractor trailers, greyhound buses, caravans of Yeshiva buses, and endless delivery commercial traffic through residential areas??? ALL coming in and out of KJ; why not put up signs to ban commercial traffic? The answers obvious. Mayor Weider of Kiryas Joel paid of Purcell and the town board for the use of those streets. ALL with private houses, whose property values have plummeted(want to by a house with tractor trailers going through morning, noon and night? didn't thinks so)
THIS is what KJ brings to the community table. Teitlebaum taught his flock to be disrespectful, disruptive, selfish, parasites. KJ is a haven for illegal workers(exploited) How does KJ 70% whom are on welfare afford to "hire" anyway?? UNDERGROUND ECONOMY.
This is the community that Teitlebaum created. a community of: hustlers, cheats, bigoted racists.
The Adversary is REAL proud of Titlebaum. he reated hell on earth, for the Satmars.

[Korbendallas72]

Teitelbaum hates Hashem so much for being created, this is his way of getting back at Him. He has embraced enemy ideology and has created a replacement cult designed specifically to embarrass Hashem, his Torah, and his people. A vile, sick, degenerate piece of garbage.

[God is not amused]

errrrrrrr...."Created, hell on........

My grandparents were in Budapest during the war. They talked about a "Meshuggeneh beard" whom they really disliked. Makes me wonder were they talking about Teitlebaum. They had absolutely nothing good to say about ANY Rabbi. They saw them as Dis-Empowering as opposed to Empowering "the flock."

Well, they are definitely right when it comes to the likes of "Rabbi" Teitelbaum. Satmars are TOTALLY dis-EMPOWERED from being prolific, profound humans. ALL of their POTENTIAL is muted from an early age and they are nothing more than carbon based automatons, programmed to attach themselves to a host and live off of them as a parasite. ONLY the Rabbi benefits by their presence via huge kickbacks to him from that welfare check, the flock hustles out of the state aka OTHER fellow human beings.
Teitlebaum obviously was nothing more than a hustler and a master pickpocket, who taught his flock to pick the pocket of others. About 23 thousand pickpocket in Kiryas Joel. Well, done Teitlebaum for being a GRAND-MASTER pickpocket and hustler.

OT: Anyone ever wonder why Israel has NOT arrested George Soros for war crimes against Hungarian Jews.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Curious Joel.

[Jeff]

Teitelbaum hates Hashem so much for being created

Actually, I do, too - but I'm not out there decrying Zionism, so I guess I'm only a little degenerate. ;)

[Baruch Shelo Asani Haredi]

A Chabad-owned newspaper actually said something NICE about the Satmar Rebbe?! Truly these are messianic times.

[Bassy the Haredi Slayer]

Posted by: Barry | August 16, 2012 at 05:07 AM

Fascinating analysis! Thank you

[jancsibacsi]

God is not amused -Youre grandparents disliked him from far what should we say, mine lived only 30 miles from satmer thats romania.

[Jewie Kikestein]

This is not about ideology. This is about being a morally and intellectually disingenuous thug. Yemach shemo v'zichro.

[rebeljew]

Reb Yoel, like most other Rabbinic "leaders" was clueless about leadership or what was required. The Holocaust was the ultimate challenge, and they faced it like all inadequate leaders, planless, rudderless, "deer in the headlights" dumbfounded. To them, leadership simply meant hand-wringing and diverting blame.

It is no different today and no different with any Jewish "leadership".

[joel]

Hitler would have been proud of the job that Teitelbaum made in crazy-yoel.

[Elliot Shrier]

Wow. Wow!

Nothing like reading a bunch of anonymous, armchair leadership experts on how to handle a Holocaust.

[Jewie Kikestein]

Wow. Wow!

Nothing like reading a bunch of anonymous, armchair leadership experts on how to handle a Holocaust.
Posted by: Elliot Shrier | August 16, 2012 at 02:47 PM

Here's a tip: Don't tell your flock to stay behind, relentlessly criticize Zionists and then take help from Zionists and leave everyone else behind, and then pretend it never happened.

[dlz]

Yair Hoffman's family connection is to a brother of a prominent member of Neturei Karta, who himself has nothing to do with them; likewise Yair himself. He is a regular American Yeshiva person.

[Dovid]

A lot of the comments here are staggeringly disgusting. To claim that Satmar opposed Zionism (which, BTW did 95% of Orthodox Rabbonim, as well as Reform etc) not out of sincere religious belief but out of self-hatred or mental illness, is just ludicrous beyond belief.

Some of the imagery of the snivelling cowardly little Jew conjured up by some of the posters here is nothing more than the same kind of imagery used by the Nazis.

It's fine if you want to believe in the Zionist idea of the New Jewish Hero, and the Jew as nationalist manly-man, or even the idea that frum Jews all went to the gas chambers like sheep to the slaughter. But doing so doesn't mean buying into antisemitic notions of what Jews were like before they discovered how to shoot guns. That's the real self-hatred.

[jancsibacsi]

Dovid-You are a big shoite,according to you anyone who finds fault in or dislikes hassidim is an anti-semite it doesnt work like that you think you are the real jews others dont count what a self rightous pompous ass you are.

[Shmarya]

To claim that Satmar opposed Zionism (which, BTW did 95% of Orthodox Rabbonim, as well as Reform etc) not out of sincere religious belief but out of self-hatred or mental illness, is just ludicrous beyond belief.

To claim that "95% of Orthodox Rabbonim" opposed Zionism is false.

There were very many haredi and Orthodox rabbis who were either Zionist or supportive.

One of things Reb Yoilish did before the war was demonize those rabbis.

But he wasn't alone.

So did the Munkatcher Rebbe, and so did the Lubavitcher Rebbe – who rather infamously promised his Warsaw yeshiva students US parents that there would not be a war. He made that promise in the late spring - early summer of 1939 –– the war started August 1.

[Dovid]

1. I suppose that once again this is an example of my hatred, rather than yours. Even though I haven't personally insulted anyone (up to this point, at which I will commence insulting you).

2. I'm not a hassid, as I've told you a hundred times. Apparently you have a problem in comprehension of the English language.

3. As you have repeatedly made clear, you are mentally ill. Your constant attempts to sexualize the clothing and haircut choices of hassidim are just plain fricking WEIRD.

4. Once again, I have made some serious points in my posting, and you have immediately resorted to name-calling, cursing and so on, just because you don't agree with what I wrote.

5. And I will repeat, I am not a Satmar or any other type of hassid. Can you get it through your head. I know it's hard when you just have a room-temperature IQ, but do you think this time you could stretch your pea brain to absorb this?

[Dovid]

My posting was, of course, intended for "jancsi" not Shmarya.

[Dovid]

"To claim that "95% of Orthodox Rabbonim" opposed Zionism is false.
There were very many haredi and Orthodox rabbis who were either Zionist or supportive."
Posted by: Shmarya | August 16, 2012 at 03:57 PM

Please.

Why don't you name some of the many (other than the usual five). And I mean heavy-hitters, not this or that little pisher.

[Judah]

Is it simply my observation or reality that anyone who has the title "Rabbi" before their name is subject to vicious derision on this blog? I guess Rabbi David Wolpe is alright in Failed Messiah land.

[Shmarya]

Please.

Why don't you name some of the many (other than the usual five). And I mean heavy-hitters, not this or that little pisher.

The Gerrer Rebbe and dozens of Ger poskim, a huge number of Litvishers, a number of poskim from various Chabad branches (except for Lubavitch), a ton of Polish rabbis from non-Gerrer groups, and many more.

[jancsibacsi]

Dovid-I am writing it again in youre mind anyone who dislikes hassidim is an anti semite,by the way i was a hassid in my childhood,but i will ask you to forgive me i am sometimes overcome by emotion and called you not nice names sorry.

[jancsibacsi]

Dovid- As you have repeatedly made clear, you are mentally ill. Your constant attempts to sexualize the clothing and haircut choices of hassidim are just plain fricking WEIRD
If according to you i am mentally ill why do you write to the mentally ill that he is pea brained or my iq is room temperature ,what kind of person are you if not hatefull to anyone who disagrees with you such hate does not come from a rational person who considres himself to me honest or truthfull the worst thing is when someone deludes himself to be better or smarter then the other and that is you shame on you.

[fg]

The jews went like sheep to the slaughter all over europe. Everyone, including the satmar rabbi refused to believe the atrocities can occure.
It is also the halucha that one must save his own skin before saving others. Your moral judgment of the rebbis action is through the ethical lens of western culture. According to halacha,saving a learned man comes before a simple man. saving an adult comes before a child.
The rebbe never refused zionist protection such as when using the police when he visited eretz yisreal. He was always thankfull to kastner and said alot of nice things about him.

[Korbendallas72]

Actually, I do, too - but I'm not out there decrying Zionism, so I guess I'm only a little degenerate. ;)

Posted by: Jeff | August 16, 2012 at 10:27 AM

That makes you an entirely different kind of degenerate... but you don't hate Hashem enough to actually kill yourself and your whole cult three times over just to spite him. You just vacated your loyalty to him, because you know... you only live once, right?

Some of the imagery of the snivelling cowardly little Jew conjured up by some of the posters here is nothing more than the same kind of imagery used by the Nazis.

Yeah, that's because King Shit of Jewland is doubling down on what failed the first time because he doesn't think enough Jews were killed the first time when his lust for power killed his flock. So he re-created the Warsaw Ghettos to try again! He stripped his flock of any intellectual capabilities and MADE THEM INTO MOCKERIES OF THEMSELVES. Haredim are the dumbest fucks on the face of the Earth, they don't actually think but they're programmed to think they do. They are living, walking mockeries of the Jewish people. Jewish blackface. They will never in a billion years understand a concept this subtle.

It sounds like nazi propaganda because it's supposed to. He taught his students to actually act the way the nazis say the jewish people acted. This is what we call "negative self-image", it's something an abused child develops.

This negative self-image is distorted and exaggerated as a form of self-hate, and what do you get? Jews cursing Israel as an expression of self-hatred.

Now think about how much education a haredi would need to understand this construct. Easier to just wall them off and let them throw diapers at each other...

It's fine if you want to believe in the Zionist idea of the New Jewish Hero, and the Jew as nationalist manly-man,

Fuck you. Fuck your attempt to drag the Jewish people back into the ghettos of Europe where your pernicious leaders would oppress the Jewish people. Haredi leaders are scum and should not be trusted. It was THEY THEMSELVES that made a secular leadership necessary and how dare you mock the resurgence of the Jewish people like the pathetic, weak, sickly piece of garbage you are. Now shut up and vote for Obama, you pathetic swine.

or even the idea that frum Jews all went to the gas chambers like sheep to the slaughter. But doing so doesn't mean buying into antisemitic notions of what Jews were like before they discovered how to shoot guns. That's the real self-hatred.

Posted by: Dovid | August 16, 2012 at 03:40 PM

[Jeff]

You just vacated your loyalty to him, because you know... you only live once, right?

Are you saying I choose to rebel against God so that I can lead a hedonistic, self-indulgent lifestyle?

[Korbendallas72]

Are you saying I choose to rebel against God so that I can lead a hedonistic, self-indulgent lifestyle?

Posted by: Jeff | August 17, 2012 at 05:36 AM

Not hedonistic, no. Intellectually self-indulgent.

[Dovid]

korbendallas72 everything you have written embodies the sick side of Zionism.

What you have written above is nothing more than an antisemitic diatribe (albeit one that reads very much like you were high when you wrote it), where you accept all the negative Nazi stereotypes of Jews.

Why don't you just come right out and say the victims of the Holocaust deserved it? You are nothing more than the mirror image of those who say that the Holocaust was a punishment from God for Zionism.

[Dovid]

As fo jancsi, again you are attributing things to me that are nothing more than a figment of your own imagination

"I am writing it again in youre mind anyone who dislikes hassidim is an anti semite"

I have no particular desire to defend hassidism or hareidim. But people who write about whole groups of Jews as "vile pieces of garbage," "degenerate," "pathetic, weak, sickly" are antisemites. Even if they cloak their self-hatred in Right-Wing Zionism.

[Dovid]

Shmarya: "The Gerrer Rebbe and dozens of Ger poskim, a huge number of Litvishers, a number of poskim from various Chabad branches (except for Lubavitch), a ton of Polish rabbis from non-Gerrer groups, and many more."

So you can name only one?

[Dovid]

Boy are there some cranks here!

So korbendallas72, in addition to all his acceptance of antisemitic imagery ("It sounds like nazi propaganda because it's supposed to"), actually thinks that Satmar took Nazi propaganda and then deliberately acted in accordance with it, out of self-hatred. Wow!

So I guess he thinks they really wanted to be exterminated by the Nazis! Wow.

Not only did she deserve to raped for dressing provocatively, she wanted it!!

[Korbendallas72]

Why don't you just come right out and say the victims of the Holocaust deserved it? You are nothing more than the mirror image of those who say that the Holocaust was a punishment from God for Zionism.

Posted by: Dovid | August 17, 2012 at 11:43 AM

I'm not in the business of assigning blame for the holocaust, and I have likely suffered more at the hands of it than you, shitstain.

I have no particular desire to defend hassidism or hareidim. But people who write about whole groups of Jews as "vile pieces of garbage," "degenerate," "pathetic, weak, sickly" are antisemites. Even if they cloak their self-hatred in Right-Wing Zionism.

I don't cloak my hatred of Haredim in anything, this is what I really think. They are pathetic and weak, and brought all this on themselves with their harsh words of condemnation and totalitarian attitudes. Yes, Haredi apologists are intellectual weaklings who do not actually think. The Satmar are little more than a personality cult at this point, the infamy of which will live on centuries after the name Teitalbaum is mercifully forotten.

They're racial supremacists. Hamas in black hats. I don't worship blood, I observe the truth. You should try it, it's refreshing.

[jancsibacsi]

Dovid-The hassidim are their own worst enemy.

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: fg | August 16, 2012 at 09:27 PM
Halacha also says that you don't deliberately sacrifice others in order to save yourself. Yoilish, y'm ordered his followers to stay in their villages, even those who had an opportunity to leave. He forbid them to go to the U.S or other western countries where they might have been safe. Admittedly , it was only a few who had the opportunity, but they would have survived but for him. He NEVER thanks Kastner, by the way. He always said that God saved him, not Zionists.

[Jessica]

Could someone please tell me why Teitelbaum was considered a thug and bully even before the war?

[jancsibacsi]

Jessica-You dont need to go back prewar,just look at the 2 brothers fighting one another like gangsters not even mentioning the fights they have with others.

[Dovid]

korbendallas72, sorry to say it but you come off like a Nazi. Nothing more nothing less.

Not because you hate hassidim or Satmar - that doesn't make someone a Nazi or an antisemite. Far from it. Jancsi is not a Nazi.

But you probably are. You are certainly an antisemite. The language you use is the language of the Nazis. The language that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a degenerate subhuman who has deliberately brought down a well-deserved destruction upon on himself out his own sickness and degeneracy.

Just because you confine your happily-held Nazi beliefs to one segment of the Jewish population (the one that in your mind fits the Nazi image accurately) does not excuse you. Just because you are a Zionist does not excuse you.

I'm not sure I've ever actually run into the embodiment of all this vile antismemitic self-hatred, arrogance, violent abuse combined in one person. I mean, I'm sure there are some others around, I've just not ever met one.

[Jeff]

Not hedonistic, no. Intellectually self-indulgent.

Posted by: Korbendallas72 | August 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM

KBD, as I've told you before, I don't like to argue with you because we're largely in agreement about Haredim - but you really don't know what you're talking about.

[Korbendallas72]

But you probably are. You are certainly an antisemite. The language you use is the language of the Nazis. The language that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a degenerate subhuman who has deliberately brought down a well-deserved destruction upon on himself out his own sickness and degeneracy.

This means nothing coming from the likes of you. Any and all criticism of Haredim is met with the immediate accusation of Jewhatred, and why? Because Haredim think THEY'RE the only real Jews. What the hell will you say when you meet an actual Nazi? Can you even tell them apart anymore?

[Korbendallas72]

Jeff, I'm an equal opportunity arguer.

[jancsibacsi]

I dont see why the anti zionist hassidim who meet with irans leaders or the plo is less
of a hate monger then someone who dislikes hassidim can anyone tell me the diffenrence.

[Gefilte Fish]

I highly recommend Perfidy by Ben Hecht. It will give you a better understanding of this sad chapter in history (and Teitelbaum's role in it).

[Dovid]

Korbendallas72: "any and all criticism of Haredim is met with the immediate accusation of Jewhatred"

Once again you dishonestly attempt to avoid the truth by claiming that someone who calls you out for being a vile racist self-hating Nazi must be haredi or a defender of haredim. FYI I'm neither haredi nor someone who is in the habit of defending them, as you can see from my many postings on FM. But when I see someone using clearly Nazi images and terminology to attack groups of Jews with whom they disagree (the way you do), I will call them on it.

I'll say it again: Just because you confine your happily-held Nazi beliefs to one segment of the Jewish population (the one that in your sick mind fits the Nazi image accurately) does not excuse you. Just because you are a Zionist does not excuse you. And just because you dishonestly attempt to deflect criticism by claiming I'm haredi, well that doesn't excuse you either.

The language you use is the language of the Nazis. The language that anyone who doesn't agree with you is a degenerate subhuman who has deliberately brought down a well-deserved destruction upon on himself out his own sickness and degeneracy.

You really are just a vile piece of dirt. And what's the difference between you and a "real" Nazi? The only difference I can see is that they violently hate all Jews as degenerate subhumans, whereas you violently hate all Jews as degenerate subhumans except the ones who share your views.