Legacy Of Blood: Three 12 and 13 Year Old Jewish Boys Arrested In Firebombing That Burned Six Arabs, Almost Killing One
This is not the first time residents of Bat Ayin – founded by Chabad Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh, who is the mentor of the most extreme settler rabbis on the West Bank – have been involved in terror attacks against Arabs.
Three 12 and 13 Year Old Jewish Boys Arrested In Firebombing That Burned Six Arabs, Almost Killing One
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com
Three young Jewish boys from the West Bank settlement of Bat Ayin were arrested earlier today on charges that they fire bombed an occupied Arab taxi 10 days ago. The boys are 12- and 13-years-old, according to a report on Arutz Sheva’s website.
Six people were burned in that attack, two of them seriously. One was left in critical condition in a coma with serious burns. Five of the victims are members of the same Arab family, including two small children.
The three young suspects have been remanded until at least tomorrow morning when a judge will decide whether to release them to their families or hold them in some form of detention.
Bat Ayin was founded by Chabad Rabbi Yitzchak Ginsburgh in 1989 on land purchased by the Jewish Agency in the early 1900s.
Its population is about 1,000. Most Bat Ayin residents are Chavakuk (חבקו"ק) – meaning they follow a combination Chabad, Breslov, (Rabbi Abraham Isaac) Kook, and (Shlomo) Carlebach theologies.
In 2002, Bat Ayin residents attempted to blow up a Palestinian girls school in Abu Tor, a neighborhood in East Jerusalem. Shlomo Dvir, Ofer Gamliel, and Yarden Morag were convicted of attempted murder.
The three men parked a baby carriage filled with explosives outside the main entrance to Arab school at 3:30 A.M. on April 29, 2002. They set the explosives’ timer for 7:25 A.M., when the students would be arriving at school.
Divir’s brother, who lived in another West Bank settlement, was convicted of supplying the three men with the explosives – which he stole from an IDF base.
Two of Ginsburgh's students – Rabbis Yitzhak Shapira and Yosef Elitzur – are rosh yeshiva's in the settlement of Yizhar. They wrote the racist book Torat HaMelech which endorses the murder of Arab non-combatants – even the intentional murder of Arab babies – during the time of war, which they define broadly as Ginsburg does to include Israel's current state of existence.
Two of the boys in handcuffs
[Hat Tip: Seymour.]
12 and 13 year olds? And my son's bar mitzvah project was working with little kids.....
Posted by: Steven | August 26, 2012 at 06:48 PM
I sure hope the Arab press picks up on this Failedmessiah story.
Posted by: Liran | August 26, 2012 at 06:52 PM
I sure hope the Arab press picks up on this Failedmessiah story.
Yeah - Shmarya. If YOU hadn't told no one would have EVER known.........
And yes, yes I am being sarcastic.
Posted by: rebitzman | August 26, 2012 at 07:01 PM
Liran, are you upset by the sadistic crime or the fact it is being reported by the media?
Posted by: Eli, what me messiah? | August 26, 2012 at 07:05 PM
The mindless zombies wreak havok again,theese children and their parents should be severly punished locked up in jail for years .
Posted by: jancsibacsi | August 26, 2012 at 07:18 PM
More and more the frumma are following the ways of Arab terrorists and Moslem religious extremists. This is not the Jewish way.
Posted by: David | August 26, 2012 at 07:35 PM
@Shmarya Face it non of your followers will ever write a book based on your teachings.
Posted by: TheRealJoe | August 26, 2012 at 07:49 PM
@Shmarya Face it non of your followers will ever write a book based on your teachings.
Posted by: TheRealJoe | August 26, 2012 at 07:49 PM
he is reporting not terracing
Posted by: seymour | August 26, 2012 at 08:04 PM
Why are we in an era of jews commiting crimes indiscriminately against arabs and others? This is a bad deal for any Jew. Israel will suffer a set back as a result of the dignity of the others which is being violated. Where is the Torah learning in these communities. I hope this is not an epidemic to follow.
Posted by: westernjew | August 26, 2012 at 08:12 PM
@Shmarya Face it non of your followers will ever write a book based on your teachings.
Posted by: TheRealJoe | August 26, 2012 at 07:49 PM
Perhaps such illustrious Chabadniks as the Rubashkins will be the subject of a Pulitzer prize winning book about their criminal behavior.
Posted by: SkepticalYid | August 26, 2012 at 08:16 PM
chabad is the waste basket of the jewish people. and the tragedy is that many jews don't realise it!
Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya | August 26, 2012 at 08:22 PM
More and more the frumma are following the ways of Arab terrorists .....
David, it's not all the frumma.
but those who do, are not better than the arab terrorists.
Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya | August 26, 2012 at 08:24 PM
There will never be real sustained flourishing peace. Never. Ever.
Posted by: dh | August 26, 2012 at 08:27 PM
@ TheRealJoe
Face it non of your followers will ever write a book based on your teachings
Last time I actually looked, over 19,000 books had been written based on the teachings of Adolph Hitler.
Hardly seems to be the standard one would use to judge the worth of a career.......
Posted by: rebitzman | August 26, 2012 at 08:42 PM
Failed Messiah is the waste basket of the jewish people. and fortunately most Jews realize it.
Posted by: The Anti-Schmendrick | August 26, 2012 at 08:43 PM
The Anti-Schmendrick -Youre the biggest waste basket of them all.
Posted by: jancsibacsi | August 26, 2012 at 08:59 PM
Around ten years ago, all Israeli Jewish kids watched on TV and heard stories about Arabs performing terrorist attacks every week.
Now, these kids are growing up. What do you expect?
They hate and don't trust the Arabs.
Posted by: betz | August 26, 2012 at 10:33 PM
Oh look, the Troglodytes from the Trollover Yeshiva have come to play!
Bunch of stunted, backyard knuckle-draggers, drunk on the fevered rantings of a cabal of Bronze Age bell-ends.
You, the Wahabis, the IRA, the psycho Buddhists and Hindus, and the American Dominionists should all be put on an island, a la Survivor, and left to fight to the death.
I guarantee the haredim wouldn't last the first two hours. When the whole island full of lunatics is a smoking, desolate wasteland, the rest of humanity can relax.
Posted by: No Light | August 26, 2012 at 11:05 PM
They're starting the terrorists off young.
Give 'em what their parents demand for Arab terrorists.
Posted by: A. Nuran | August 26, 2012 at 11:26 PM
It seems the "no moral equivalency" argument continues to fade.
This was my point in the other thread. The Jews have not been the same in how they attack (though they have killed quite a few more Palestinians than the reverse) but it continues to move in the direction of indistinguishability.
Posted by: Yaakov | August 27, 2012 at 03:35 AM
This fact that these are young boys is specially poignant to me. We have six children. As I have watched them grow up (they range from 11-20) I have seen them display by their behavior internalized values and ethical impulses which I am very proud of, but which I did not directly teach them.
It appears they watched and listened to my wife and myself, and absorbed those fundamental things we both value. Now, their behavior reflects these things, they are foundational to their thinking and to their automatic behavior.
I am very grateful for this because I see raising children like an act of cultivation: provide the best soil you can, provide water, pull the weeds that might choke them, and let them grow into whatever they will be and marvel at what it is that turns out.
These murderous boys are the same. They reflect what they have seen and heard. They want, as my children do, to do what is right—but their concept of "right" is terribly bent. When the children are this way the future is bleak.
The sin of these Rabbis, and the parents who follow them is like the sin of the PA and its schools that teach hatred. How can this generation find peace? Each side believes are justified in killing the other over land?! This is sad. If this is "Jewish", I don't know what I am.
I still believe it is not Jewish, but a perversion. Though I don't know how long I can maintain that while people who would never actually do such things will defend them using the Torah as a bludgeon.
Posted by: Yaakov | August 27, 2012 at 04:12 AM
More and more the frumma are following the ways of Arab terrorists and Moslem religious extremists. This is not the Jewish way.
Posted by: David | August 26, 2012 at 07:35 PM
actually it is just read the Torah and tanach
Posted by: seymour | August 27, 2012 at 07:25 AM
Where is the Torah learning in these communities. I hope this is not an epidemic to follow.
Posted by: westernjew | August 26, 2012 at 08:12 PM
they are learning the torah and using it to legitimatize their violence
Posted by: seymour | August 27, 2012 at 07:28 AM
Similarly, in US, young adolescents are used to ferry drugs and guns, avoiding adult prosecution.
Posted by: Office of the Chief Rabbi | August 27, 2012 at 08:15 AM
Where did these kids learn how to firebomb?
Posted by: R. Wisler | August 27, 2012 at 08:45 AM
this guy looks like an albino penguin
Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya | August 27, 2012 at 09:52 AM
Wanna bet nothing happens to the kids?
Posted by: Sarek | August 27, 2012 at 10:13 AM
"
The Jews have not been the same in how they attack (though they have killed quite a few more Palestinians than the reverse)
"
Posted by: Yaakov | August 27, 2012 at 03:35 AM
Americans were not the same in how they attack Al Quaida (though they have killed quite a few more islamic militants than the reverse).
Watch out Yaakov. Your twisted logic continues on the path to be even more twisted and soon will be indistinguishable from the rantings of a raging lunatic.
Posted by: who knows | August 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM
Posted by: who knows | August 27, 2012 at 02:18 PM
You're not quite there. It should read : Americans were not the same in how they attack Al Queda (though they have killed quite a few more innocent civilians than the reverse).
Posted by: SkepticalYid | August 27, 2012 at 07:42 PM
"More and more the frumma are following the ways of Arab terrorists and Moslem religious extremists. This is not the Jewish way
Yes, I remember the Stern Gang and Irgun had to go to Moslems for instruction when they blew up the King David Hotel.
Look, you guys can just can all that :this isn't the Jewish way" nonsense, it's not selling anymore. 'And the Arabs made us do it' line is getting pretty stale.
Gee, if it's "not the Jewish way" why are so many Jews doing it, and very religious Jews at that?
Posted by: Mooser | August 27, 2012 at 10:38 PM
who knows:
I realize the irony is lost on you, but you are correct. The US Armed Forces has killed many more Arabs, many of them (I surely hope most of them) armed combatants, but many of them innocent civilians. They are also conducting asymmetrical warfare.
We are doing this in "self defense", yet the death toll from so many other preventable causes which take many more lives (accident, disease, etc.) provoke no moral outrage, and they don't get the billions of dollars and national mobilization to stop them, in a case where we actually could and not at the cost of "collateral damage".
You might argue that we are fighting murderers, but we have murderers inside our own borders. The death toll in our inner cities, among young men, is far higher than the toll from terrorism The death toll from drunk drivers is also higher. Why aren't we mobilizing to stop these? The reason is fear. "The terrorists have won" by provoking this out-of-scale reaction and reducing the freedom in this country to new lows. But provoking, with the consent of many people due to their fear a pervasive surveillance state.
Before this is diverted into a discussion of my patriotism or sensitivity to the tragedy of 9/11, I will state unequivocally:
The attack on the World Trade Center was an act of war, intended to be one, and a great national tragedy. It couldn't be ignored, and some response was required to it.
I just don't believe that the response that was made was the right choice, and I don't think it was morally acceptable to cause the deaths of so many innocent people because we were afraid. This is the same as Israel and its treatment of the Palestinians. This is my opinion. There is no reason at all you have to agree with it, but I believe it is a thoughtful, rational opinion based in fact and logic. I believe it follows my strongly held ethical principles and is pragmatic.
I know that you imagine your rhetoric is devastating, but it's actually just a reflection of your confusion. It does nothing at all to help make your case to claim I am insane, something obviously false and meaningless. But, next time you decide to make that part of your comments I will just ignore anything else you have to say. I don't really feel the need to answering you while you are frothing at the mouth.
Posted by: Yaakov | August 28, 2012 at 03:57 AM
Yaakov, I salute your efforts here and your seemly endless supply of patience.
You'll need to expect a blowback of anger from the folks who have been raised and nutured with the belief that Israel is always 100% right and everyone else is always 100% wrong.
As Dale Carnegie wrote some 80 years ago, getting someone to change their fast-held beliefs is the most difficult thing in the world.
Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | August 28, 2012 at 07:23 AM
Perhaps one of these kids was a brother of the young bat ayin Jewish boy who was murdered by an arab murderer who broke into the settlement and then swung an axe into his head, just a few years ago. In that case, a relative of that young boy could be taking revenge. One couldn't help but think that's possible.
On the other hand, one couldn't help but think that perhaps the shabak has framed these two boys for something they didn't do, which was perhaps done by an arab, since the arabs HABITUALLY, as a daily event, firebomb Jewish motorists. Maybe he or multiple arab youths thought the taxi had Jews in it. And the shabak "found its man" by putting the crimes on these two. Who knows what will or will not hold up in court. This could turn out to be fraudulent.
Posted by: nobody (the original) | August 29, 2012 at 10:30 PM