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August 27, 2012

Senior Zionist Orthodox Rabbi Warns Netanyahu Over Illegal West Bank Outpost Evacuation

Rabbi Elyakim Levanon 3“Whoever raises a hand on Migron will have it cut off and the prime minister should know that," Rabbi Elyakim Levanon warned.

Rabbi Elyakim Levanon 3
Rabbi Elyakim Levanon

Senior Zionist Orthodox Rabbi Warns Netanyahu Over Illegal West Bank Outpost Evacuation
“Whoever raises a hand on Migron will have it cut off and the prime minister should know that," Rabbi Elyakim Levanon warned.
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Referring to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who by law must enforce a High Court of Justice ruling to evacuate and dismantle the illegal West Bank outpost of Migron, Rabbi Elyakim Levanon warned of violence yesterday during a speech given at a conference for Jewish settlers displaced by the Gaza pullout in 2005.

“Whoever raises a hand on Migron will have it cut off and the prime minister should know that," Levanon reportedly said.

In a conversation with Ynet after his speech, Levanon claimed that what he said during that speech was not incitement to violence because he meant "for the heavens" to make his words "come true."

"One cannot ignore the pattern of things that happened to people involved in the expulsion like Nisso Shaham [the lead police officer for the Gaza evacuation who is now under criminal investigation for sexual assault and has been forced to take administrative leave], Dan Halutz [former Chief of Staff of the Israel Defense Forces who resigned in 2007, about five months after a financial scandal in which he was found to have acted legally was made public], Moshe Katsav [Israel’s former president, who was convicted of rape and imprisoned], and it's true for Netanyahu as well,” Levanon told Ynet.

Levanon, who is a senior leader of the Zionist Orthodox movement known as Religious Zionism, is the chief rabbi of the West Bank’s Shomron Regional Council.

Levanon went on to extoll Orthodox Jews – even haredim who do not serve in Israel’s military.

“Recently two elderly people passed away, Benzion Netanyahu and Rabbi Elyashiv. One [Rabbi Yosef Shalom Elyashiv] left 1,400 offspring and the other [Professor Netanyahu, the prime minister’s father] 10 – that's the difference between us,” Levanon also said, approvingly of Elyashiv.
 
"We [the Zionist Orthodox and haredim] shall conquer Israel,” Levanon reportedly continued. “In mighty forces we shall go anywhere, the yeshiva students will go to the army, because otherwise there will be no army. Who will join the army? Those who raise two kids and a dog?"

Migron was illegally built on privately owned Palestinian land. The Government of Israel agreed to evacuate and dismantle it in 2008 in response to the ruling of Israel’s High Court of Justice.

During the weekly Sunday cabinet meeting, Netanyahu spoke about the evacuation.

"We will honor the court's decision and meanwhile continue to strengthen the settlement enterprise. We did so in Beit El and will do so in Migron. We've already set up alternative housing and we hope things go smoothly,” he reportedly said.

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Purportedly, his exact words to Bibi were, "hey, I'm not saying that your hand is gonna, like, get cut off or nothin', but should that terrible thing happen, like if a heavy object were to suddenly fall and crush your arm for example, let's just say that maybe such a terrible thing could have been avoided. Know what I'm sayin'?"
he glances to the man standing at his side, "Vito, you got any horse's heads I could, like, borrow?"

I wish he realized that chareidim want nothing to do with Zionist "orthodox"...

religions fanatic are a danger to all and donot care about the consequences of their action since god is on their side

"Controversial slogan
In February 2007, Wolpo appealed a decision that a political campaign under the slogan "if anyone comes to remove me from my home, I will chop off their hands" amounted to incitement to violence, since retired Supreme Court Justice Mishael Cheshin vowed to defend the Supreme Court, which he said was dear to him, with all his strength, saying, "If someone raises a hand against my house, I will cut it off," and he wasn't accused of anything. The slogan was meant to protest the removal of Jewish settlers from their West Bank homes.[17]" Haaretz, 8 February 2007 http://www.haaretz.co.il/misc/1.1549689

Posted by: A Yid | August 27, 2012 at 10:30 AM

The difference, little man, is situational.

Some of Wolpo's followers have shown themselves to be violent. The same is true for followers of Levonan.

On the other hand, that is not true for Chesin's.

The situation in the West Bank today lends itself to violence and violence is common – including settler attacks on the army and police.

High Court justices are not known to have engaged in violence at all.

The language Wolpo used means two different things in the two different contexts, and its potential effect is much different in the two different situations.

Because this concept will escape you – just as almost everything else beyond the first grade escaped you – I'll give you an example that most people not infected with years of Chabad ideology won't have any problem grasping:

If you shout "fire!" in a crowded theater because the building is actually on fire, what you've done is correct and legal.

If you shout "fire!" in a crowded theater as a joke, you have done something wrong that may be illegal.

The words the person has said in each case are exactly the same, but the moral, ethical and legal judgements of the two people are – correctly – radically different.

Now toddle off.

"The difference, little man, is situational."

Yes, the difference is situational.
Like here. When you insult your people that is totally ok since you own this blog and can ignore your own comment rules. But if I were to call you a little fat hipocritical retarded moral midget or the like and that day you feel like showing who is the boss of this blog you might ban me and or erase my comments. Citing your comment rules:
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Likewise the left wing regularly incites/justifies violence against the settlers a head of a political party asked to "dross kol doss" and that is a normal part of a discourse in a free society but in this case you are all up in arms.

Posted by: A Yid | August 27, 2012 at 11:24 AM

Again, as I clearly noted above you lack even the basic ability to process information.

What Levanon did is arguable incitement to violence – although he is not, as far as we know, being charged or investigated for it.

Toddle off.

Are you a fool or just pretending to be one?
Do you think R. Levanon was literally asking to cut off soldiers hands? To cut off Bibi's hands? Do you think that if any person calling himself R. Levanon's follower would actually go and try to chop hands any fair court will find R. Levanon guilty of inciting that?

Posted by: A Yid | August 27, 2012 at 12:37 PM

You really are challenged.

did you actually graduate from any school anywhere?

What about you Shmaryah? Did you go to school to learn to insult and put down people, or is it in your genes?

When i went to school, I learned how to make an honest factual argument and to think – two things you lack the ability to do.

Posted by: A Yid
"Do you think that if any person calling himself R. Levanon's follower would actually go and try to chop hands any fair court will find R. Levanon guilty of inciting that?."

One right-wing radical, settler supporter Yigal Amir's actions' example say no, no he would not. But in the eyes of public sentiment, he would be still guilty.

“Whoever raises a hand on Migron will have it cut off and the prime minister should know that," Levanon reportedly said."

Words and ideas have consequences, A Yid.

Posted by: A Yid
"Controversial slogan
In February 2007, Wolpo appealed a decision that a political campaign under the slogan "if anyone comes to remove me from my home, I will chop off their hands" amounted to incitement to violence."

Cute, but wrong analogy. Wolpo's comment was a personal statement by a normal citizen, dismissible by the everyday common man. Rabbi Elyakim Levanon proclamation was a incitement of what will, or could, happen, violently, by a "teacher" with "followers", and you know it only takes one rabid zealot nutcase(*), A Yid.

(*)Subject: Extremist Charedim (Mysoginism, Racism, intolerance against others races or religions, attacks on non-hasidic people, specially females of any age, or those consider traitors [sub-section: Hasid in the IDF], destruction and vandalism of private property, indoctrination of younger members on the acts of terrorism [See: Zion Square attacks/Bat Ayin's youths petrol attack], Pedophilia, Pedophilia apologism, etc,...). You know?, the easy to influence, bubbeh.

Cute, but wrong analogy. Wolpo's comment was a personal statement by a normal citizen, dismissible by the everyday common man. Rabbi Elyakim Levanon proclamation was a incitement of what will, or could, happen, violently, by a "teacher" with "followers", and you know it only takes one rabid zealot nutcase(*), A Yid.

Not at all.

Wolpo is also a teacher and he has many students and followers.

The only difference between the two in this regard is Levanon's salary is paid for by the state, and Wolpo's isn't.

"We [the Zionist Orthodox and haredim] shall conquer Israel,” Levanon reportedly continued. “In mighty forces we shall go anywhere."

Conquer, yes, physically and demagoguery , but it will only be the Charedim (as stated before, an Oxford study projects a Charedim takeover of Israel of 75% by 2050, at the current birth rates of the last 10 years), not zionist Orthodox.

"The yeshiva students will go to the army, because otherwise there will be no army. Who will join the army? Those who raise two kids and a dog?."

Yeshiva students, specially the Charedim?. Oh, you poor deluded fool. A Religious school system that frowns upon the teachings of basic secular subjects (math, science and technology, art,...), and a Religious caste vehement opposed to serve in the IDF (except for the few brave souls that serve in the Netzah Yehuda Battalion, but who are still branded "tumas" and traitors by their Religious brethren). Welcome to "your" future.

Zionist Orthodoxs are not "conquering" squat one, Rebbeh. In years to come, you will be sandwiched between extremist Charedim and (in a lesser extent) extremist Arabs.

So careful which hand you wish to be cut off, Rabbi, for it will not be there to save your future dwindling flock.

people who call themselves 'a yid' or 'a jew' or 'a yid is a yid' or 'a jew is a jew' are usually chabadniks, though not really your normative kind of jews.

Elyakim?
Oto hu lo yakim.

Posted by: Shmarya
"The only difference between the two in this regard is Levanon's salary is paid for by the state, and Wolpo's isn't."

Ah, I stand corrected. The post read as him being just a common man, not a Rebbeh too. Duly noted.

Why is everything I read on this post depressing? The messiah never has any happy news? :/

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