Monsey Haredi Weekly Blurs Out 'Immodestly' Dressed Cartoon Figures Of 4-Year-Old-Girls

Community Connections, a Monsey, New York haredi weekly paper, has blurred out the legs and chest of two cartoon figures depicting 4-year-old girls. The cartoon is part of advertisement for a haredi play group for 2-, 3-, and 4-year-old boys and girls.

[Hat Tip: HeathenHassid.]

Comments

[anuran]

So to the Charedim four year old girls are super sexy and will make gray-bearded Talmud scholars masturbate and spill their seed.

Implications are... troubling.

[David]

Are they seriously suggesting that four year old girls are objects of sexual lust?

LOCK THEM UP!!!!

[Abracadabra]

How could they even depict the boys and girls playing in the sandbox together? You know what this is going to lead to, don't you? MIXED DANCING!!

Those 2, 3, and 4 year olds are going to definitely have a hard time finding shidduchim once word of this gets out.

[Elisheva]

Anyone who would attribute "modesty" or "immodesty" to 4-year olds should not be trusted to be left alone around small children.

[One dead Rebba]

F*ck Monsey, and all the perverted, sexually frustrated creeps who live there. Has it really come to this?? Men becoming aroused by looking at a totally non-provocative depiction of children? We need a better solution: gouge out all their eyeballs and castrate them - that's what Hashem wants.

[David]

The strange thing about this is that the original artwork was obviously already created by the frumma (boys with peyot, kippot) and they thought the original depiction was acceptable (mixed sandbox play, bodies not blurred out).

It does however have ABC blocks and books suggesting an education ethic so perhaps it was not done by the ultra-frumma, hence the problem.

[ruthie]

covering girls...4 year olds....monsey thinks it is serving g-d. it is making a mockery of g-d.
how stupid.
i would be afraid to send my kids there.
in all due respect, this is not normal.

[Brian]

Shmarya, I am Charedi - as Jeff will no doubt confirm - yet I agree with you that this is ridiculous.

I've seen worse though - many years ago the Jewish Tribune (Agudah newspaper in the UK) had an advert which featured CLIP ART Cartoon women. They left the stick bodies and crudely dropped a big black blob on the clip art faces.

One wonders if the women are allowed to show their faces at home/in shul.

[Jeff]

How could they even depict the boys and girls playing in the sandbox together? You know what this is going to lead to, don't you? MIXED DANCING!!

You beat me to it! I thought the same thing. Doesn't she know what she's doing to his neshomoh? The harlot!

[Jeff]

F*ck Monsey, and all the perverted, sexually frustrated creeps who live there. Has it really come to this?? Men becoming aroused by looking at a totally non-provocative depiction of children?

This is the result of generations of growing up in completely gender-segregated environments - they're obsessed.

[Jill]

When will this activity be declared illegal. This is the only way this type of activity will stop.

[Jill]

I have a question is it Mrs Weiss who committed the crime or was it Community Connections? If it was Community Connections did Mrs Weiss complain, can she sue since they defaced her ad? Is there a copyright violation here?

Face it, if Mrs Weiss doesn't care and if the readership of Community Connections don't care then the only recourse is our legal system to put an end to this.

[Mike]

How much money can Shmarya make reporting on such silly stories like toothbrushes with stickers on them and blured advertisements.

[ruthie]

mike...shut up.
you miserable rodent.

jeff:
This is the result of generations of growing up in completely gender-segregated environments - they're obsessed.

Posted by: Jeff | August 03, 2012 at 05:05 AM

not only obsessed jeff....they marry them off....just because the kids get horny. my ex friend just married off her sweet son to a young woman and her family and they have no idea that he's gay.
just so they can appear "good and normal" her son didn't know what to do so he went along with the marriage.
her daughter also just got married...why???? because she wanted to have sex. the young lady THINKS she wants to get married to a guy she's only met and have a bunch of kids and no college education....i call a spade a spade....she was horny.
nice kids.
fucked up family.
they think they're frum. they're borderline retarded. of course, they are leaders in the community here because they have money.
Lol
i say being frum is being nice, real and honest. i'm still working on it! if g-d is so great, don't they know he'll understand? aaaagghhhhh i can't wait to one day leave monsey!

[jancsibacsi]

The depth of their depravity knows no bounds.

[Garnel Ironheart]

This is progress - you'll note that the boys and girls are allowed in the same playground at the same time without a mechitzah.

[Jeff]

i can't wait to one day leave monsey!

Posted by: ruthie | August 03, 2012 at 07:37 AM

I can imagine.

[jancsibacsi]

ruthie -You sound like me when i was a child in heider i was always dreaming of one day being liberated from the tyrany beatings and humiliations.

[Alter Kocker]

The fear of the sexual urge hits new heights every day in the Haredi community. What is even more frightening is that these pronouncements come from little old rebbes who probably haven't had an erection in a decade or more. What are they afraid of?

[netflix]

IN ALL FAIRNESS PEOPLE, these girls are clearly eye fucking those two boys, because you know, that's what little children do.

[Jill]

i can't wait to one day leave monsey!

Posted by: ruthie | August 03, 2012 at 07:37 AM

Out of curiosity, whats keeping you there?

[God is not amused]

OT: but reminds me of the Haredi and ALL fundumentalist.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5FNDRgPOLs

this guys is eloquent

[Bas Melech]

Next come the burkas!

What perverts to think that a 4 year old girls is a sexual object!

[Devorah]

Ruthie, I truly feel for you. A few of my secular friends who still live in Monsey have told me that their neighbors have been standing in front of their driveways on Shabbos and preventing my friends from driving their cars out of the driveways. All it takes is 2 or 3 neighbors with 10 kids each to intimidate older women by not wanting to drive through the crowd.

On another note, another Monsey 5 year old ran into the street last night and was seriously hurt. Streets are the Monsey kids' playground minus any playground monitors.

[S M L]

when i was a child in heider i was always dreaming of one day being liberated from the tyrany beatings and humiliations

How terribly depressingly sad that statement is. It takes a diseased culture to support institutions in which that routinely takes place. The thing is, it's not just Haredi culture which manifests this; it's almost any "orthodox' religious culture. It was no different in Catholic schools in Ireland and elsewhere or among fundamentalist Protestants down south or in Christian missionary schools on Native American reservations here or among the aborigines in Australia. The wonders of religiosity run amok...

[Mike M.]

@ ruthie:

Let it be noted for the record that the Mike who posted that message is not me. It's some other guy using the same psedonym. I find the blurred 4 year old girl absolutely abhorrent and it goes to show how crazy things are in Monsey.

I perused this website plenty using the pseudonym "Mike" but now I'm changing it, because clearly people are going to waltz in here and use my username to spew their troll crap.

[JK2]

What are they afraid of?

Posted by: Alter Kocker | August 03, 2012 at 08:02 AM

Women.

Misogyny is a feature of all fundamentalisms.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

Jeff, you make an excellent point.

My sincere hope is that within a few decades- primarily due to the influence of the internet, and the rising cost of raising a family, and the increasing income inequality...that we see the complete (or relative) disappearance of this lifestyle.

But then again...the Amish have been living their lifestyle for what...? Centuries? I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility that this lifestyle could maintain itself (in some small enclaves) for decades from now.....now, isn't THAT a cheery thought? LOL LOL LOL

[maven]

This is nothing like the Amish community.

[Feminsta]

But if the point was to remove images that cause sexual arousal, wouldn't the rabbis have blurred the little boys' bodies?

I'm glad I don't live there.

[No Light]

The difference is that the Amish don't segregate by sex, don't take any form of government assistance, allow young couples to court (Marrying for love? Gevalt!), and have an absolutely outstanding work ethic.

If haredim had the equivalent of Rumspringga then they'd be extinct by now.

[No Light]

(sorry if this has posted twice, connection issues here)

The difference is that the Amish don't segregate by sex, don't take any form of government assistance, allow young couples to court (Marrying for love? Gevalt!), and have an absolutely outstanding work ethic.

If haredim had the equivalent of Rumspringga then they'd be extinct by now.

[jancsibacsi]

F*ck Monsey, and all the perverted, sexually frustrated creeps who live there. Has it really come to this?? Men becoming aroused by looking at a totally non-provocative depiction of children?
DO WE WONDER WHY SO MANY MOLESTATIONS OCCUR AMONG THE ULTRAS?THEY ARE EXTREEMLY SICK AND GETTING SICKER.

[jancsibacsi]

S M L-It is the absolute truth and there ar ethings i cannot even write here would take to long

[dh]

The Amish also experience much incest. However they have concern for themselves and are participating in a number of genetic studies regarding mental illness and genetically inspired problems caused by in-breeding. Further, they obtained the right to educate their children at home which the ultras cannot do because they don't educate their children who then grow up, as I like to call it 'sans synapse'.

[Sabine]

So the little girls are non-entities until and unless they are needed by a paedophile for his pleasure?

[seymour]

Posted by: No Light | August 03, 2012 at 12:22 PM

and they have an out clause that one can leave the fold

[Sabine]

@seymour

I have heard horror stories of women never seeing their children again, if they leave. Somehow they are prevented from taking their children with them.

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law | August 03, 2012 at 10:58 AM

The Amish all work very hard. They are typically either farmers or craftspeople. They underwrite their own communities and individuals financially in the event of catastrophic illness. They reject all governmental subsidy and support.

So you comparison of Haredim to the Amish is somewhat inaccurate.

[Jeff]

My sincere hope is that within a few decades- primarily due to the influence of the internet, and the rising cost of raising a family, and the increasing income inequality...that we see the complete (or relative) disappearance of this lifestyle.

But then again...the Amish have been living their lifestyle for what...? Centuries? I suppose it's not out of the realm of possibility that this lifestyle could maintain itself (in some small enclaves) for decades from now.....now, isn't THAT a cheery thought? LOL LOL LOL

Posted by: Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law | August 03, 2012 at 10:58 AM

Robert, they haven't got a few decades left. Their world is collapsing, and they can no longer provide for their growing numbers. Within a generation, they will largely be gone - and when they go, they'll be taking nearly all of Orthodoxy with them.

Speaking of obsession, here's a story that appeared a few years ago about Rabbi Aharon Schechter who had a meltdown because the wig store across the street form his yeshiva had photos in its window of women actually - chos v'sholem - wearing the wigs! This is the end result of generations of gender segregation and improper (or totally absent) socialization.

http://blogindm.blogspot.com/2008/01/handel-ehrlekh-wigged-out-photo-blog.html

(The Haredi monopoly game is a bonus.)

[David]

Maybe this blurring of four year old girl's bodies and/or faces is working after all.

Note that most frumma molesters are males and they tend only to molest boys.

Perhaps they should also start deleting the faces and/or bodies of the boys and all will be well.

[dh]

Jeff, do you honestly think they only have a few decades left or is that a fervent wish and desire?

[ruthie]

mike: noted

dh: jeff really believes it. i understand.
i am appalled at their behavior.
but i have to say there are many many women who look at me and wish they were free.
it's a cult with some good jews caught in it.
there are good jews and good people in the world.
the problem with them is they think the world revolves solely around them. thus the children in the public schools here in east ramapo are literally "not worth it." i could go on and on ...
and jill: why am i still in monsey? a. fear of flying b. don't know if i want to move to somewhere else in new york; i love my house..i don't like it when the temperature goes below my age so that makes a move in the northeast iffy...c. i can't figure out where on this planet i want to move to (italy, germany, ibiza, south of france, nyc, paris, venice, geneva, goa but i would have to fly-so that's out??). my best friends and family are all in new york. so i don't really have an answer but hope to have one very very very very very very soon. it would suck if i died in monsey.
good shabbos everyone whether you keep it or not. a sweet one.

[Jeff]

Jeff, do you honestly think they only have a few decades left or is that a fervent wish and desire?

Posted by: dh | August 03, 2012 at 06:28 PM

They have no more than a generation left at most. Some of them have even begun to realize it. Their world is collapsing - succumbing to pressure from without and deteriorating from within.

[Ruthie]

Jeff I hope you're wrong ..I completely understand why you think this. Wow.

[David]

They have no more than a generation left at most. Some of them have even begun to realize it. Their world is collapsing - succumbing to pressure from without and deteriorating from within.

Posted by: Jeff | August 03, 2012 at 08:04 PM

I agree. They can only keep their heads in the sand for so long until they start to suffocate.

It's difficult to see how the end will come though, but hopefully as painlessly as possible.

They simply do not have the skills to survive in modern society, or, indeed, any society as they only consume and do not produce. Even members of primitive tribes need to produce to sustain themselves and the group.

Charedim in general with a FEW notable exceptions:

o They are not educated.
o They are not literate in the language of the lands in which they live.
o They are not loyal or faithful citizens.
o They do not have a work ethic.
o Their "Toyreh Learning" amounts to nothing as they do not fulfill the most basic precepts of the Torah including education, hard work, honesty and loyalty.
o Their health is poor due to lack of education, exercise and too much smoking, drinking and eating peasant foods.
o They do not contribute to society at large, in fact they remain as disconnected as possible (except when stealing welfare benefits etc.).
o They have a culture of dependency and a culture of lies/stealing/cheating and mistrepresentation.
o Sexually they are abnormal and maladjusted. Often illegaly so, as with molestation issues.
o They are improperly socialized and could not fit in with regular Jewish or Goyishe society.
o Nearly everything they do is a Chillul Hashem and an embarrassment for Jews everywhere. Non-Jews equate "Jews" with them, not normal Jews like "us". They give rise to antisemitism because of their disgraceful behavior.

They are headed toward collapse.

At some point the "host" societies in which they live and their fellow Jews will draw a line in the sand and say:

o You MUST work and contribute (with exceptions for disabilities etc.).
o You MUST educate your children or they will be taken away from you.
o You WILL become honest and loyal citizens.
o You MUST provide proper health care and exercise for your children and socialize them properly. (E.g. teach them that women actually have faces.)
o There will be ZERO tolerance for welfare cheating.
o In Israel if they don't do military service or equivalent they will not be elligible for welfare.
o If they are not prepared to donate organs to either Jews or Gentiles they will not receive them or be at the lowest priority.

Exactly how the transition will occur I DON'T know, but I DO KNOW that it MUST happen.

[ah-pee-chorus]

David -

EXCELLENT.

[A. Nuran]

David - well said.

[No Light]

Well said David.

Sabine - who are you talking about, frumma or Amish?

Seymour - yep, that's what I meant : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumspringa

[ruthie]

david-
bravo
flawless

[Jeff]

Jeff I hope you're wrong ..I completely understand why you think this. Wow.

Posted by: Ruthie | August 03, 2012 at 08:49 PM

Ruthie, why do you hope I'm wrong? You don't seem to approve of their way of life any more than the rest of us do.

[Jeff]

Excellent manifesto, David. I'll just comment on a couple of things:

It's difficult to see how the end will come though, but hopefully as painlessly as possible.

The end will be brought about by their inability to sustain their subculture. The egress of their young people will accelerate due to increased access to the outside world (which is, of course, why they want so desperately to control access to the Internet), dwindling employment opportunities within their world combined with a decrease in various social service subsidies (it's already becoming harder for them to get subsidized housing, as that is one resource they've commandeered and outstripped) and a growing realization that their leaders are lying to them about the ability of the subculture to sustain itself and provide for its members and that their "educations" aren't preparing them to function outside of it and provide for the huge broods those same leaders keep insisting they have.

Also, their infrastructure will fall apart. Their clueless elders are dying off and are being replaced by "rabbis" who are really just power brokers. Infighting will contribute to their demise. They'll cease to be as cohesive as they currently are.

It's complicated, but the bottom line is that as a subculture, they aren't going to be around much longer.

(Although it's all pretty much moot anyway, as frankly, I'm convinced we have even less time left as a global civilization, and probably as a species.)

Their health is poor due to lack of education, exercise and too much smoking, drinking and eating peasant foods.

This is an important part of it that doesn't get addressed as much as the other points. Their overall health really isn't very good to begin with, plus I strongly suspect that generations of inbreeding have resulted in a greater than average incidence of genetic disorders. Plus, as you say - alcohol, smoking and a disdain of physical activity.

You know, the funny thing is that although I understand what you mean by "peasant foods", if they really were eating peasant foods - e.g., whole grains, vegetables and a modest amount of organically-raised meat - they'd be much better off. Instead, they're on a steady diet of animal products, refined carbohydrates and high fat. And the really sad part is that they ridicule the frei Yidden and the Left Wing Modern Orthodox for their growing support of vegetarianism.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

Maven, No Light, and Skeptical Yid, you are all correct in that my comparison to the Amish was somewhat inaccurate; additionally, the Amish (unless I am mistaken) are all quite patriotic and respectful of the laws of this Country; and we know the same cannot be said of the Haredim.

David, your analysis was excellent. And Jeff, your addition to Dave's analysis was both trenchant and directly on point.

I just hope that Jeff's optimism is borne out by the next generation or so. Jeff, I see your point about the inability of the subculture to sustain itself; but as an (informal) student of sociology; I wish I could be as optimistic as you seem to be. Dysfunctional cultures in America- and I can't speak to other countries- (depending upon their ability to leech off of the rest of society) do have a way of perpetuating said dysfunction- but again, that depends upon what they can successfully leech from society at large. As long as food stamps exist, they'll have a way to eat. As long as subsidized housing exists, they'll have a place to live. As long as Medicaid is around, they'll have some type of medical care. And frankly, that's as it should be- because we as a society have the made the decision that all people - no matter what their circumstances- should have access to housing, food, and medical care- despite their life choices.

Having said that, I do take considerable hope from Jeff's points. The primary protection of that society is through enforced ignorance of the wider world, and separation therefrom. But under the onslaught of the information age, that enforced ignorance is (hopefully) slowly but surely coming to an end.

Enforced poverty is not a good thing either; especially when their pronounced lack of a usable education prevents them acquiring anything more than a minimum-wage job; and even WITH all the social services that I mentioned above, you are not going to be able to raise a massive family with type of income that is available to a person with only a high-school diploma.

Having said all that....if you do at the dysfunctional subcultures in America- and I don't want to identify them for fear of being labeled a racist- dysfunction can and does perpetuate itself across generations Granted, it needs the acquiesence (sp?) and the benign neglect of the larger society (with a tip of the hat to the late Senator Moniyhan, who coined the phrase) but dysfunction is not as easy to eradicate as we would like. But as concerns the Haredim, I would love to be proven wrong.

[ruthie]

Ruthie, why do you hope I'm wrong? You don't seem to approve of their way of life any more than the rest of us do.

Posted by: Jeff | August 04, 2012 at 08:26 AM

because i want them to be like my grandparents who were hasidic, saying if they choose to be hasidic...education, work, etc. is a must
not the completely fake hasidim i see here in monsey.
there are, of course, good people but SO FEW and far between. i spit
on jews who think it is owed to them to apply for food stamps etc. the minute they marry. i'd rather pay for birth control.
jeff, i understand you...
but there is nothing wrong in having the freedom to be reform, conservative or orthodox or chassidic or whatever....the way they're acting ESP. with those kids in israel dressed in concentration type clothing....I HATE THEM.
but i must admit....i never stop hoping it will change. and they should really learn to say please and thank you etc. jesus fucking christ.
i used to love frum people...now i see how fucked up they are.
so that's why i answered i hope it doesn't happen because i like them more than i hate them.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnyS2fiHm20

[Devorah]

I wonder if Mrs. Weiss pays taxes and has insurance for her playgroup.

[ruthie]

lol devorah...
i know of her playgroup. it could still be called mrs. weiss' playgroup but is most probably run by someone else now. it's been in monsey for a long time. may be the original mrs. weiss or one of her many kids now.
being around so long i think she pays taxes and has insurance....she can't be that stupid...or that smart!

[ruthie]

on a serious note, this says something about this community here in monsey and most probably, but HOPEFULLY not, other parts of the world too.
mrs. weiss has had her playgroup for quite some time. now it's come to blurring out images of little girls. the cult is starting to go crazy. i think it makes for some very very very sick teenage boys later on. if they can't look at a 5 year old girl because she's a girl...and taught that g-d doesn't like it...omg what a trip on these poor boys!!!

[No Light]

Yep Ruthie, they're breeding sexual dysfunction into the system.

You cannot separate male from female until their wedding night, then say "Mazel tov, now get breeding!" It seems like that's the big tipping point now. The kids get married off, told to do everything they were forbidden to do, and realise the system has failed them. Sadly, by the time they figure it all out, they have kids to support.

[Appalled]

They forgot to blur out their faces. Wait! They should have removed them all together. A womans place is in the home. Chas veshalom 4 year olds should leave the house to go play at the park.

[Ruthie]

Personally I don't know if it's mrs. Weiss or the community connections. For those outside of monsey, the community connections is a very popular super frum magazine in monsey.

[dh]

Thanks Jeff, Dave and everybody. I've learned a lot from you all. I just cannot fathom that this deterioration and ultimate collapse will occur in a generation or two. There is too much of an infrastructure, putrid and unsteady as it may be. That lifestyle will never be eradicated.

[dh]

Sorry, meant David.

[Jeff]

Dysfunctional cultures in America- and I can't speak to other countries- (depending upon their ability to leech off of the rest of society) do have a way of perpetuating said dysfunction- but again, that depends upon what they can successfully leech from society at large.

Robert, you may be right. As I mentioned, the social services upon which they've come to depend are in jeopardy (courtesy of the Republicans and conservative Democrats they've been supporting in recent years) - but you may be right.

Thing thing is, as I say - it doesn't really matter. I'm convinced civilization as a whole is facing imminent collapse. Frankly, I don't think humanity is long for this world - and this world will be FAR better off once we are gone.

[Jeff]

because i want them to be like my grandparents who were hasidic, saying if they choose to be hasidic...education, work, etc. is a must
not the completely fake hasidim i see here in monsey.

Ruthie, that world - like the Modern Orthodoxy of Rav Soloveitchik and the Israel of Golda Meir and Ben Gurion - is gone.

And it ain't coming back.

[Robert J. Barron, Attorney-at-Law]

Thing thing is, as I say - it doesn't really matter. I'm convinced civilization as a whole is facing imminent collapse. Frankly, I don't think humanity is long for this world - and this world will be FAR better off once we are gone.

Let me guess...the basis of your statement is ...climate change? (That's what I think will drive a civilizational (sp?) collapse.....and as far as the plant being better off without us...frankly, you may have an arguable point. Humankind was given the Earth, and what have we done with it?

Well, we have fed billions, but we have also fouled the air and oceans, and driven countless species to extinction. And that' only going to accelerate, as we continue to warm the planet, with both the extraction and use of fossil fuels.

That's what gave me somewhat of a great laugh about Rick Santorum's comment about man seeking "Dominion" over nature. The next time a Katrina hits, or Derecho hits, or after the next tsunami or volcanic eruption.....then talk to me about "Dominion".

But frankly, I hope you are more correct than I about how long that subculture will last.

[Jill]

They are headed toward collapse.

Posted by: David | August 03, 2012 at 09:01 PM

... and yet they grow and flourish.

[No Light]

Haha nope. They're haemorrhaging numbers. Even the new wave of victi... er, BTs, can't stem the tide.

Sorry "Jill".

[Jeff]

... and yet they grow and flourish.

Haha nope. They're haemorrhaging numbers.

And they aren't flourishing.

[Mike M.]

@ ruthie:

It pains me to see all these teenage boys who struggle so much all because their rabbis teach them that their sexuality is "dirty" and "disgusting" and something that needs to be repressed. I went to that kind of yeshiva and I know what it's like to hear those kinds of things said about me. Again, I truly appreciate knowing that there are people in this crazy town who don't believe that stuff. I feel that the next generation of yeshiva boys will come out happier and healthier if they weren't consistently told how "sick" they were.

[Korbendallas72]

The password is: Fukushima

I wonder if idiot Haredim will even be able to process what nuclear fallout is, or that everyone on Earth is being irradiated by nuclear volcanos or that humanity's food chain is being contaminated with radioactive cesium. Right now. As you read this. Humanity is being "rectified".

[Audrey]

Their problem is under-exposure to women, not over-exposure. These deprived men now look at a wrist and faint from horniness. What they really should do is make the men do a compulsory year of studying obstetrics and gynaecology, including practicals in a hospital: 2 or 3 hours of sleep a night twice a week to help out with vaginal deliveries, 12 hour days in a clinic for the under-privileged with STIs and/or pregnant, and exams at the end of the year, and if you fail you have to repeat the whole year. They will be so traumatised that they will never fantasise about a naked woman ever ever again.

[baked]

something must be done