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August 20, 2012

Exclusive: Hasidic Newspaper Uses The "N" Word

In a rant about secular Jews who waste their time watching "lame" sports events like the Olympics, the Satmar hasid-owned Yiddish newspaper Der Yid can't resist using the "N" word – and shvartze – twice.

Here's a very rough summary-translation from the source who sent this to me:

As if it (the Olympics) were the most important thing in the world, they [secular Jews, Zionists] even forgot about Iran… The ones that call themselves Am HaSefer (People of the Book) were busy during the 2 weeks [of the Olympics] with a untranslatable awe of every black nigger who ran with a few sec. faster then the other.

And they [secular Jews, Zionists] are the one's that keep on writing, [that] the Haradim are giving insufficient education to their kids….[as] if to be busy for weeks with lame sports matchup' of a few black niggers that run almost as fast as a monkey or a different animal – if that means advanced, then we'd like to stay behind.

Hasidim.

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those damn kikes at it again

I would love to see how your Haredi participants will explain this one.

Utterly shameful.

Given the proximity between heavily Haredi neighborhoods and predominantly African American neighborhoods in Brooklyn, this isn't exactly a fantastic thing to write in a newspaper.

Was nothing learned from the Crown Heights riots? Come to think of it, did the frummies learn anything from the Civil Rights movement??

(p.s. to any smart alecs who point out that CH riots were ChaBad, not Satmar, well done for sidestepping the issue at hand.)

Lets face it theese hareidim are mentally ill they are jeoulous of others enjoyment they want to dictate to us all how to live our lifes of course its always like they live their lives,the worst thing of all is that they are incapable of realising how insane or stupid they are when making statements like this,they are just out of touch with reality.

Have the police mobilized for the imminent race riot? What about the National Guard, are they in position? Oy are we in trouble!

That's pretty much how they see the world. Frankly, the aguda's comments about the olympics vs the daf yomi siyum were not dissimilar, except without explicitly using racist language.

Perhaps this is just a linguistic similarity to Yiddish naming customs, where the Yiddish and its Hebrew are used toghether, e.g. Zev Wolf, Dov Ber? No, I didn't think so either. Nor did Arnold.

I don't get it....
don't we all that they are racist and prejudice?
come on shmarya, are you out of 'real' news?
who cares what the amish are saying? give me a break....

What do you expect from the Satmar cult. They're about as Jewish as a pig.

The Satmar behave like true kofrim; they deny everything that is good and ethical about Judaism.

Just another example of narcissism. "What I choose not to do, is not worthwhile for anyone." Makes me retch.

Dear World,

I am profoundly apologetic and achingly ashamed of my people.

Best Regards,
dh

A folkish state must therefore begin by raising marriage from the level of a continuous defilement of the race, and give it the consecration of an institution which is called upon to produce images of the Lord and not monstrosities halfway between man and ape.
--Adolf Hitler

It is a sad day when Jews begin to sound like their worst enemy.

vile racism. The language was bad enough, but adding on monkeys and treating the olympics as if it was a zoo to display black physicallity, it is all disgusting.

I think they are freaked because they knew that a lot of their kids were paying attention to the olympics. So they used racism to put it down. But it may have the opposite effect of having the kids think that blacks are cool.

Leave Satmar alone. They were only talking about Arnold Schwarzennager.

do the editors have any brains at all. setting aside the despicable and atrocious racism, if this is picked up by national or even local media, who knows where it may lead. dont they sense how vulnerable they are?

It's not at all surprising. They see most, if not all, gentiles as spiritual animals. They also define all Jews who aren't RW Hasidic as "secular." In their jargon, that's not much different then calling someone a "goy." Both are intended to imply spiritual and moral defects.

Narrow-minded insular ignorant holier than thou bigots - they come in all colors and religions. These are 'ours' - sort of, as they don't consider the rest of us as part of the tribe. Nothing new here, folks, nothing to see, nothing to learn. Let's move on...

ah-pee, 'national media' eh? Just a sec, let me look at the list. Yup, you're up!

Arnold Schwarzennager.?

Very funny.

They meant Schwarzenegger LOL! :P

Sick. Inexcusable.

I find it absurd that it's the word nigger that's getting people all worked up. What difference does it really make what inappropriate phrasing is being used when the ideology being espoused is one of bigotry and racism?

The more to the right religiously (chareidi), the more racist the Jew.

well only blacks are allowed to say Niger on national TV ??? why not di zeitung ?

MSNBC Host: Romney Engaging In The ‘Niggerization’ Of Obama
http://matzav.com/msnbc-host-romney-engaging-in-the-%E2%80%98niggerization%E2%80%99-of-obama

HAHAHA

Are these people capable of shame and human decency? Are they at least familiar enough with Judaism to have heard "What is hateful to you do not do to another. The rest is commentary. Go and learn"?

The evidence tends towards No, no and no.

This rag is a "newspaper" like thug murder-for-hire Victor Koltun is a "Rabbi" and like Sharya the rabid anti-hareidi bigot who censors comments he doesn't like - just like the Hareidi newspapers - is a "journalist".

Di Zeitung - when that commentator was complaining about "Niggerization" he was talking about racism. If you think that's the same thing as calling blacks "niggers" then you are as dumb as a post.

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Posted by: bob abooey | August 20, 2012 at 10:50 PM
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Hey Mr abooey
Don't you have even something stupid to say?

It is good that I am not Shymara cause your IP number would give a good indication what neighborhood that you live in. Then I get a aerial view of where you live and then I would write
"Do you live here?"

those damn kikes at it again

Douchebergs?

This is a disgrace on two fronts.

First the incredible insensitivity of a minority within a minority, whose ancestors were murdered in the Holocaust because 'the master race' considered them even lower than 'Niggers': they were considered cancerous rats.

So where is the sensitivity?

Secondly, it is the inbred educational system of Chassidic Williamsburg which publishes the Yid newspaper, that STUPID IGNORANCE, that causes that they DON'T EVEN GET IT.

On the hierarchy of humanity they are on top of the pyramid, and the shvartze on the bottom one step up from the "malpes" (as mentioned in the article Yiddish for Monkeys) . This is what is taught there overtly and by a wink and a nod.

This must change because if not the backlash will hurt us all.

Haredim go around accusing everyone they don't like as being a Nazi, well this racism is exactly what the Nazi's stood for.

I just graduated from an Orthodox High School and the amount of racism thats spouted constantly from the Rabbi's to the students is sickening!!!

It's odd how they imply that the only alternative to their Toyreh Learning is sporting pursuits rather than secular education in all its forms.

Do tell.

I'm not defending the actions presented here, but perhaps, these people are so self-isolated that the enormity of the taboo within common culture is lost on them.


Or they listen to a lot of rap

I am sorry, I am actually Jewish, but I have no other worlds about publishers, writers, subscribers and readers of this newspaper, than DIRTY HOOG-NOUSED KIKES WITH LICE AND KUGGEL PIECES IN THEIR BEARDS.

Posted by: Jake
"Have the police mobilized for the imminent race riot? What about the National Guard, are they in position? Oy are we in trouble!."

And we have the first member of the StormFrummt squad reporting in. Come on in!.

Maybe they were referring to Arnold Schwazenegger....ever think of that? Huh? How about being dan lkaf zechus? (Okay...I am stretching it).

Posted by: ed
"I don't get it...."

Der Yid, New York's most read Yiddish language weekly Hasid newspaper, with the possibility of being leaf through or quoted by thousands (weekly circulation: 75,000 copies) of people, posted a very naughty, really really racist article about the "Zionist Olympics", were it said (quote):

"(People of the Book) were busy during the 2 weeks [of the Olympics] with a untranslatable awe of every black nigger who ran with a few sec. faster then the other."

And:

"with lame sports matchup' of a few black niggers that run almost as fast as a monkey or a different animal."

In short: They called all Black nationals at the Olympics, including African Americans (you know, the same the New York based Der Yid's staff and charedim population live alongside with?), "N*ggers", and liken them to "Monkeys". Got it now?.

"don't we all that they are racist and prejudice?."

No. "All" is an absolute opinion, not a fact.

"come on shmarya, are you out of 'real' news?."

Ah, the good old Real News/Slow News day/No News worthy dismissive chestnut:

"New York's largest read Hasid weekly newspaper declares World's Black population 'N*ggers' and 'Monkeys'."

Naw, you are right. Nothing to grab to there. =P

"who cares what the amish are saying? give me a break...."

Hasid, not Amish.

Posted by: The Hedyot
"I find it absurd that it's the word nigger that's getting people all worked up. What difference does it really make what inappropriate phrasing is being used when the ideology being espoused is one of bigotry and racism?."

Because, in this case, the word itself is the delivery system to home on the espoused bigotry and racism. Would you be also so dismissive of the use of the word K*ke if used in the same way by racist extremist Christian fundamentalists?.

The story about Hillary's picture being photoshopped out of a similar hasidic newspaper became an international story and made it onto several TV stations.

This story can reach the same level.

These people actions are abominable and they think they are jews with such disdain for others. As a yemeni jew married to an ashkenazi, ive heard many comments from the williamsburg type such as your children are pretty even though you are from yemen or how did you become jewish...like wtf? Because im darker with peyos ive been asked if my peyos are real. These people are like babies, you have to feel sorry for them. The best tool is to eradicate the ignorance. Hassidim is not at all judaism more like a pagan mix of rabbi worship and a form of the ancient mystery religions.

U fkin nigger lover. I hope a nigger with a big cock shoves it up your ass

Yet again something that could have been left alone, I don't agree with them and yes they are idiots, but publicizing this will not hurt them, they don't give a shit what anyone thinks.The only thing I can see coming out of this are Jews getting attacked in the streets because some dip shit blogger felt the need to put this in a public forum. Shamarya just to let you know the Nazi's wouldn't have given a fuck if you were religious or not so if you keep trying to start another Holocaust you'd be on their list too.

And now we've heard from the penis, um, peanut gallery.

Well, they're stuck in the year 400 C.E. (at best) This language was acceptable in mainstream society back then. I'm sure they'll stop using this type of offensive language in another 1600 years or so when they catch up to where we are now.

/sarcasm off

Sarek, as there is just over a couple hundred years until the year 6000 and their worldwide ascension, what's the rush?

That word is not the N word it is the correct Yiddish word for blacks.

That word is not the N word it is the correct Yiddish word for blacks.

Posted by: Thomas Lowinger | August 21, 2012 at 10:07 AM

Idiot.

"Schvarte niggers" is N-O-T the "correct Yiddish word" for blacks.

Stop lying.

Why not read it as "black negroes" and avoid causing trouble? Der Yid is just for yidden so why should we make trouble by letting goyim know what we say to eachother? Besides isnt the paper right about the olimpics? How is it differnt than watching horses race horses?

Reb Mendel,

The problem is that it will be not true. If they would like to say "negro" (which is also controvential world now), they would type it "נעגרא" in Yidish, but they typed ``
"ניגער" becouse that wnated to say exactelly what Shmarya translated to us.

Good catch Shmarya, now you'll show them.

Reb Mendel-Di bist a groisen shoite,it shows youre rebbes and youre vile type who they really are ,if you say svartze there is no need to say negro if you dont see that then you are a hopeless mindless goilem.

I at first also thought that ניגער could be the Yiddish spelling for the German word 'Neger' meaning negro, however as Russian PhD correctly points out, the conventional spelling would be different. Furthermore even if one was willing to be generous, you would not use the tautology of 'Schwartzen Neger' that is 'Black Negro' unless one wanted to be offensive. Besides which the whole context of this article is racist by its comparison of black athletes to fast monkeys. One does not associate monkeys with speed in the way one associates say horses with speed.
The second occurance in the plural is noteworthy because the plural of the German 'Neger' remains 'Neger' whilst the plural of Nigger is Niggers.
Reb Mendel, how is being a Hareidi different from the Olympic Dressage competition in that both activities are odd and have no useful purpose? At least there is a 200 week break between these Dressage competitions whilst the Hareidim just never stop their ridiculous performances.

Talk about hypocrisy.

It doesn't come close to:
A- FM which is designed to target a particular segment of society which happened to be haredi Jews.Even as some claim that FM is here to report only on the crime in the Orthodox community which btw is not the case still its against one group of people only.
If there isn't enough hate towards Jews FM makes sure the world to know things about them so gentiles should despise Jews even more.There are some who comment in here who have called for the KILLING of haredi Jews.NO comment is censored or deleted the most you will see from mr. fm himself is something like "way out of line".

B-The NY Post when reporting about a crime that was done by a person who happens to be Orthodox/hassidic makes sure to headline it "three HASIDIC Jews busted" ORTHODOX perv arrested". Do they headline "Italian perv busted" or "black man arrested" ? Of course not.
Shame on the NY Post

C-Obama became president even though he went weekly to listen to Jeremiah Wright sermon's race bating speeches.

D-NO black,Latino,Americans in general,Europeans ever got killed by orthodox Jews becuase they are supposedly being taught that goyim are vermin.


The term shvartze used when referring to a black person is NOT derogatory there is no other way to describe a black person. The color black in yiddish is "shvartz". People will ask who is your neighbor a chasdisha,litivish,spanish,shavrtza,Italian. No matter how you will slice it but in no way it is meant in a degrading way.The few OTD looser who say its meant to degrade are LYING.Just as the readers of FM were fooled when they were told when a few foolish people screamed yemach shemo on a gadol that it means people to kill that gadol which was an obvious lie.

ah-pee-chorus @ 8:43 PM asked an excellent question and the answer is they didn't think of FM and mr FM knows full well that the consequences of publicizing something like this can be terrible but this is his intention.As ive said many times anyone believing that this blog is really concerned when an Orthodox child is molested he is really concerned for the well being of Orthodox kids i got a bridge to sell.

I try not to comment much becuase its like talking to the wall most folks in here have made up their mind about hasidic Jews that when they see or read about them they think one thing only:child molesters.So its a waist of time.


Deremes-The immams talk it that fashion the hatefull fashion a rebbe or anyone in our religion should not speak in such hateful manner when writing or talking to the public youre smart enough to know that dont blame shmarya for bringing i there and exposing them those paskvilis are public tell them not to post any.

Meant to write der yid should not print it not pashvilis

Comparing of African athletes to monkeys (kinda “they are as fast as monkeys because they are more close to monkeys”) not only offensive-it is very stupid. No monkeys or apes are actually that fast in running as humans are. We are the faster species (in ground running only of cause, not in the tree climbing) in all family of Primates (yes, we are all Primates, including Fruma).

the correct yiddish word for a black person is "negr" - nun ayin gimel resh; i.e., "Negro". When speaking Yiddish "schvartze" is not necessarily pejorative.

However, what is written in this Yiddish article, and juxtaposing both words together (even if we wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt about nun yud gimel ayin resh) is disgusting out and out racist shit.

Racism is wrong and Post-Holocaust Jews, more than any other group, do NOT have the right to be racists.

If you don't like the fact that Americans believe that "all men are created equal and endowed by the Creator with certain inalienable rights," then get the fuck out of my country and move back to Püspökladány.

Yes, racism is wrong.
However, it is also wrong, that Shmarya, the grandson of a mafia hit man, Leon Gleckman, known as the Czar of St. Paul believes it is his place to devote his every living minute to pointing out everyting that is wrong wih the Jewish community.
Let him spend his every living minute contemplating the evil he comes from.

Gevezener Chusid - Püspökladány,Iknow this place not far from my home town:) nagyon jo.

You are all idiots, and Shmarya the biggest one. The Yiddish word, נעגער is pronounced by chassidim with a yud, hence ניגער. I speak yiddish and have never heard any Yiddish speaker use the term 'shvartze nigger". The word ניגער is probably too literate so he added the work שווארצע to clarify.

Moshe-Well youre yiddish cannot justify the way he used the words dont play games here by trying to justify his stupid talk,and by the way youre the biggest idiot of them all,since it takes one to know one di farrikter goilem.

amused - what is the relevance of who someone's grandfather was?

Just like the chassidim tried for decades to hide behind their 'holiness' and their 'Rabbis' and their beards and their 'family purity', they try to use their 'secret language' (which alot of us exes speak quite fluently) to say unacceptable things and to teach their children to go against what America stands for? Often they are "rebbishe ayniklekh" - descendants of hassidic Rabbis. Yes perhaps to them who their grandfather was (if he really was) is all that important - z'chus avos and all that... But bottom line from my perspective: If you don't like what America stands for - get the fuck out of my country. End of discussion.

Why should this not be publicized, just as it should be publicized that Arabs in Gaza, for example, teach their children that Jews are descended from pigs and dogs. Maybe not "monkeys and other animals," but close, isn't it?

Posted by: Deremes | August 21, 2012 at 12:04 PM

Just look at all the posts on VIN where Hasidim wax nostalgic about the Chaptzem days when the "Shvartze knew their place."

You do have a point though... Shvartze is no more offensive in your world then Goy or Secular. All are deliberately used to imply moral and spiritual inferiority.

You are all idiots, and Shmarya the biggest one.

Posted by: Moshe | August 21, 2012 at 02:04 PM

That's not fair making fun of Shmarya's enormous girth. If you were squatting in front of a computer for as many hours as he does you too would get the munchies.

> Would you be also so dismissive of the use of the word K*ke if used in the same way by racist extremist Christian fundamentalists?

If within a racist and bigoted rant, the word 'kike' or other pejoratives were used, of course I wouldn't care about that particular offense.

Do you think people make a fuss that neo-Nazi's use the word nigger? Yes, the word itself is problematic, but when it's being employed within a hateful ideology, focusing on that issue is most misguided.

Deremes is partly correct about the use of the word shvartze. I grew up hearing the word used purely descriptively. The same as with the use of the word "black" - if it's said with a sneer or is being used as code for racism, that depends on the user and the context, not on the word itself.

However, as many have pointed out, it's also used by Der Yid along with what looks like "Nigger" as well as a comparison to monkeys. It's vile raciscm and there's no excuse. These people, who think no one is watching and they can say whatever disgusting things they like with a nod and a wink need to be shaken out of their complacency. And their children need to be forced to grow up in a world without this kind of racist filth.

As for another comment of Deremes:"The NY Post when reporting about a crime that was done by a person who happens to be Orthodox/hassidic makes sure to headline it "three HASIDIC Jews busted" ORTHODOX perv arrested". Do they headline "Italian perv busted" or "black man arrested" ? Of course not."

Sorry Deremes, but your statement is a load of nonsense. The NY Post likely refrains from pointing out race or ethnicity, because it's generally irrelevant. However, if it's a Catholic priest, a nun, or some other person who is supposedly a pious devotee of any religion, that fact is relevant and interesting and not racist at all.

The term shvartze used when referring to a black person is NOT derogatory

Let's assume for a moment, Deremes, that you are correct.....

.....what about "nigger"? Is "nigger" derogatory?

Dovid,i didn't say it when they headline "rabbi busted" if it is a rabbi.A priest,nun is in a way equivalent to a rabbi so i have no beef with that one.Orthodox/hasidic Jews is a whole group of people where they make sure to be in the title.Im sure you know what i mean becuase the shameless NY Post knows exactly what they are doing.

Gevezener Chusid,

To quote another, "people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones".

FWIW, I translated the untranslated part: קעלבערענע התפעלות as "calf-like enthusiasm."

Wow, this is a sad thing to see. I am a long time lurker, first time poster. I am also a black guy married to a Jewish woman. Some people worry about how talking about these sort of things will inflame anti-Semitism - I think the anti-Semites and the haters out there have already made up their minds. Sadly, they already believe all sorts of evil and untrue things about Jewish people. I read this blog often but it hasn't changed my opinions on Jews or Judaism at all. I still love and respect Jewish people.

I wish there was a way for the person who wrote this to get a better understanding, and I hope that people who think like this will somehow have experiences and opportunities that will turn them away from racism.

I have heard the term "Shvartzes" relating to Haredim because of their black attire. Maybe they are talking about themselves? Then this would actually make sense!

I read this blog often but it hasn't changed my opinions on Jews or Judaism at all. I still love and respect Jewish people.

Posted by: oriole | August 21, 2012 at 06:28 PM

That's good to hear. At least you realize that the things written about on this blog only apply to a small cult group, not Jews as a whole.

Posted by: Deremes
Dovid,i didn't say it when they headline "rabbi busted" if it is a rabbi.A priest,nun is in a way equivalent to a rabbi so i have no beef with that one.Orthodox/hasidic Jews is a whole group of people where they make sure to be in the title."

Sorry, but people who are supposedly hassidishe or Orthodox are a whole group of people (based not on ethnicity or race)holding themselves out to be especially pious devotees of Judaism. Members of that groups who are criminals don't need an official position for their extra madreiga of hypocrisy to be particularly noteworthy and newsworthy.

Posted by: different dave
"Yet again something that could have been left alone."

Yes, once again, let's bury under the rug the criminal misdeeds of the extremist Charedim.

"Publicizing this will not hurt them, they don't give a shit what anyone thinks."

No, it will hurt them, psychologically and/or physically, and most likely to their brethren, Secular, Orthodox, or UltraOrthodox, and, yes, they don't give a a shit what anyone thinks (i.e. the verbal of physical repercussions derived by the process of reasoning thought based on the racist message of the article).

"The only thing I can see coming out of this are Jews getting attacked in the streets because some dip shit blogger felt the need to put this in a public forum."

Extremist Charedim 101: Never blame the criminal Hasid, shoot the messenger instead. Flawless logic there, different dave, except for the teensy part were non-hasid Jews, maybe Goyim capable to understand Yiddish, or even appalled Charedim may disseminate this information on their own, verbally, and in present times, electronically, on and around the greater New York area and beyond.

Oops. And now add expected variables. Ever played "Telephone"?.

"Shamarya just to let you know the Nazi's wouldn't have given a fuck if you were religious or not so if you keep trying to start another Holocaust you'd be on their list too."

Blaming Shamarya's for the possible dire outcome due to the racists comments on a Charedim's newspaper is as inane as accusing Dr. Gerhart Riegner for the advent of the Final Solution because of decisions made by Nazi senior officials at the Wannsee Conference.

But logic and facts be damned, and let personal attacks and hyperbole reign when it comes to Shamarya's exposure of Charedim's malfeasance, eh, different dave?.

Ignorant melodramatic Putz.

Posted by: Thomas Lowinger
"That word is not the N word it is the correct Yiddish word for blacks."

No.

*"Schvarte" (noun): "A Yiddish Disparaging and Offensive term used to describe a black person."
*"Niggers" (noun): "A English (US) Extremely Disparaging and Offensive term a black person or a member of any dark-skinned people."

Posted by: Reb Mendel
Why not read it as "black negroes" and avoid causing trouble?."

Cute, but to Jewish people, and non-Jews able to read Yiddish, it still read as "N*gger". Are you for dumbing down the work "K*ke" too?.

"Der Yid is just for yidden so why should we make trouble by letting goyim know what we say to eachother?."

"Yes, let's partake of ignominious racist commentary among ourselves only, for it causes no trouble upon us if we are not found".

Ignorant, yet cowardly. Alright then, moving on the next apologist or supporter of Charedim racism,...

Posted by: Deremes

On cue!. Deremes!. Mention Black Nationals or African American (or as Deremes is fond to say, "THE Blacks" and "Them Blacks"), and see who crawls out of the woodwork. Are you here to chastise the racists comments of your fellow Charedim?:

"Blah, blah, blah, FM/NY Post=anti-Hassidic anti-Semites, Obama, Jeremiah Wright, Holocaust for Goyim, blah, blah."

Methinks no. So, you are not condoning your racist kinspersons. Do you at least condemn the racist term?:

"The term shvartze used when referring to a black person is NOT derogatory there is no other way to describe a black person. The color black in yiddish is "shvartz". People will ask who is your neighbor a chasdisha, litivish, spanish, shavrtza, Italian. No matter how you will slice it but in no way it is meant in a degrading way."

Of course, not, Deremes. ""Schvarte Niggers" is the proper Yiddish term for "Black National",... And "Monkey" is just Yiddish for "Athlete".

"I try not to comment much..."

Oh, no, please DO continue. It's a like witnessing a live train wreck, but with only one casualty. >=)

Posted by: amused
"Yes, racism is wrong."

Good!.

"However, it is also wrong, that Shmarya, the grandson of a mafia hit man,..."

Next.

Posted by: Moshe
"I speak yiddish and have never heard any Yiddish speaker use the term 'shvartze nigger". The word ניגער is probably too literate so he added the work שווארצע to clarify."

"Monkey". Clarify that.

Posted by: The Hedyot
"If within a racist and bigoted rant, the word 'kike' or other pejoratives were used, of course I wouldn't care about that particular offense."

You wouldn't?. It's the defining element that denotes the racism aspect on the rant!.

"Do you think people make a fuss that neo-Nazi's use the word nigger? ."

Uh, Yes?. That's common set basic knowledge, The Hedyot.

"Yes, the word itself is problematic, but when it's being employed within a hateful ideology, focusing on that issue is most misguided."

Uhm, okay, that's an opinion, yours, not shared with all the people I know, or have expressed not likewise throughout history or media in present time.

Well, good luck with that ideology. But, it's just your opinion, don't fault the majority of the rest of the people that think otherwise. =/

Bob, where did u learn Hebrew and Yiddish?

I am also of mixed Yemeni and Ashkenazzi descent and have heard what they call "casual asides and jokes all my life from these so called bearers of the purity of our faith. Not just chasidim mind you, actually from all stripes of american charedim and even modern orthodox ashkenazim ranging from "harmless" comments such as: "oh you are Yemenite, such great Jews with such emunah peshuta (simple faith) but they didn't know how to learn toyrah right?" to more outright barbs: "no offence but I would never ever allow my kids to marry a sefardi they are violent animals, they all beat their wives! To outright attacks: "What you need a tenth person for your minyan? Im sorry even though I am really really late for the Ashkenazi Minyan (in fact they were finishing up shacarit with Aleinu etc) I don't daven sefardi! Oh Yes I have been called a Yemenite "nigger" (my blood runs cold just typing this nauseating word whose purpose is to denigrate the way G-d Almighty has chosen some of his holy children to look like! The Imrei Emet Ounce happened upon a group of chasiddim taunting a chasid with a dark complexion as a "Schvartze" The Rebbe aghast pulled aside one of the taunters and asked him why he was participating in such a vile sin the chasid replied that everyone else was doing it (the common excuse of nazis, ku klux and jihadis) The Imrei Emet replied: There is enough room in gehinom (hell) for everybody.
Many frum ashkenazi charedim are just victims of their own culture of arrogance; they have zero education on the diversity of cultures and customs of other Jews much less non Jews. If they are taught that they need not develop humility and are drowned daily with teachings to hate anything that doesnt look, sound, taste, feel and smell exactly like their own communities is by definition evil; how can we expect them to show anything but base ignorance and arrogance that will run the Jewish peoples name through the mud for years to come!

I call on all Jews here who are trying to excuse the inexcusable to repent! I don't give a damn how you spin the words; if the people whom such words are used to describe consider it an insult: DONT USE THAT CURSED DAMN WORD!
Are we Jews or animals? Did we forget that our sages have demanded of us to WATCH OUR Tongue!
What happened to DERECH ERETZ AND DARCHEI SHALOM! So what now that we live in a gracious society that actively protects our right to worship as Jews we can dare to use malicious insulting words against essentially wonderful people that allow to live in their midst as essentially equals. Must we insult an abused and neglected fellow minority in our midst and paint them all in the same picture as the minority of offenders within their community? If so then I challenge you to go out into the street and publicize what a great Jew Bernie Madoff is! If that offends you and your drivel on about the fact that he is not frum, I have news for you, antisemities don't give a damn about that! to them we are all jews and you can tell them about how thats not true and in the end you will be sitting in the same cattle car as reform, morrocan, ethiopian and yemeni jews. Haters are arrogant fools who don't bother to distinguish the guilty from the not guilty. I was violently mugged by a black man two years ago and not for one second did I ever associate that deranged man with all the wonderful, kind and helpful members of a group of people who like us have some bad people but who are by and large wonderful and sincere people with a rich heritage; who must still battle the legacy of senseless hate, genocidal violence and discrimination to reach the prosperity and blessings of G-d we all so desperately desire.

Posted by: dh
"Bob, where did u learn Hebrew and Yiddish?."

The little bit a know?. Initially from fellow sailors I served alongside with at the Patrol boat and Submarine Naval base in Haifa (also saw what a Tefillin looked like for the first time there), my three vacation trips to Israel, later from coworkers on the media field we work on, and lately, add my weekly Skype conversations from a friend now living in Haifa, after moving from Barcelona, Spain.

I can also speak and read European Spanish, Italian and French, read German and Catalonian, and I can cuss in Tagalog (from the Filipino cooks onboard the Naval ships I served on, and stand duty with), and Japanese.

But, with any language, direct interaction with people is what keeps your ability to use the language fresh. I haven't been in Germany since my teens, so there went my spoken Deutsch.

Don't expect me to compose a long, fluent sentence, but I will always remember my first Yiddish word, a word all Naval Sailors must learn when visiting a foreign country:

Bir! (yeah, I know, a big leap in linguistic prowess there). =P

Posted by: Bob Guthrie
"Bir!."

And way to derail a serious thread. Je vous remercie beaucoup, Herr dh >=)

Sorry.

What G-d of Humanity would be with this dirty rat infested soul of a group of people who publish such rat infested bits of conversation in their publications.

Someone say something in the press!

well Bob Guthrie since you don't speak Yiddish then you have no way of knowing that "schvartze" is NOT a derogatory term when people are speaking Yiddish; however it tends to be a derogatory term when used by Jewish people speaking English.

It is NOT a derogatory term in Yidish any more than "black" is derogatory in English and whoever has told you otherwise has been misinformed.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid
"Bob Guthrie since you don't speak Yiddish."

Not the little I use to know, not anymore. But, sorry, bubbeh, I already knew for years the meaning of the Yiddish term "Schvartze", how my Jewish friends prefer using Schvartz or Cushi, but no matter what version they used, they are still loaded terms to them.

Old European Spaniards used to say "Negro" or "Negrito" (not the US "nEgro", there is a phonetic and term difference between the two), which is as correct as "Schvartze", but as with Schvartze, it is a double edged sword, falling in disuse among young Spaniards and being replaced with "Persona Negro", "Persona de Color" or "Moreno."

...So shove it with the lingua angle, Gevezener. Der Yid's "Schvarte Nigger" was, and still is, a racist description, and adding "monkey" was just topping off the fetid compost heap they created themselves.

Zapatero a tus zapatos, Dummköpfe. Almighty, you Charedim apologists are just throwing anything against the wall to see what sticks, don't you?. =P

amused, you keep going on about Shmarya's grandfather. In the real world, not the superstitious, Bronze Age hell you want us all to crawl back into, people are responsible for their actions, not shit people did decades before they were born.

Being related to a tribal witch doctor doesn't make you good and holy. Being related to a criminal doesn't make you evil.

And neither of them has jack shit to do with facts or the validity of an argument.

Go back under your bridge, little troll

Gevezener Chusid, to put it bluntly, I agree with you that "schvartze" is not necessarily offensive (like "black"). But what about "Nigger" and "monkey."

Or is that Yiddish for "athlete," as Bob pointed out?

Answer that!

I don't think that there is any possible justification for racism. (See what I wrote above if you don't believe me.)

My point is that I cannot STAND IT when Americans - even Jewish Americans - who know 3 words of Yiddish that they heard from Mel Brooks say that "shvartze" is a pejorative term in and of itself. It is NOT - IF the people are speaking Yiddish and it may be if they are speaking English. If people whose native language is English say "shvartze" then I would say that it is truly pejorative.

Similarly, "goy" is not necessarily a pejorative term in Yiddish, but "shaygets and shikse" most certainly are.

And - just for Bob Guthrie, whose army buddy undoubtedly misinformed him on many counts, "feygele" is NOT the Yiddish word for homosexual. Perhaps because of its similarity to the English pejorative term for homosexual, it assumed that meaning among American Jews, but in Yiddish it means "small bird" - nothing more, nothing less.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid
"My point is that I cannot STAND IT..."

Yes. Knowledge, what a burden, Gevezener.

"And - just for Bob Guthrie, whose army buddy undoubtedly misinformed him on many counts..."

Israeli Navy personnel, but why bother reading the post correctly, you could't stand it anyway. And I will take any and all of their Jewish life and language knowledge over your "can't stand it" tirade any day.

Not matter how many times you bellow it, "shvartze" is still a double entendre word (so sorry Hebrews didn't come out with a more neutral definition for "Black Person", but, hey, that’s culture).

But, let's hypothetically say that the word just comes down to just mean "Black" since day one in its inception in the Yiddish language,...

...Now try to justify "Der Yid" adding "N*gger" after it in the article, followed by twisting your panties to squeeze a rationality for adding "Monkey" to the description afterwards.

Can't stand it that there's no way to exculpate it, eh, Gevezener?.

It is purely racist, as they single out one particular race from the other. The rest is merly driving the fact home even further.

The whole diatribe is completely non-sensical, and irrelevant, and racist.

This is Torah? Not the one I learnt.

Posted by: Rebitzman
"I would love to see how your Haredi participants will explain this one.

Utterly shameful."

Well, now that we are about to reach the end, the score stands at:

Hasid team:
*14 apologists.
*2 character assasinators ("F$#% Shmarya!").
*2 generic trolls.
*Posts against bringing up the subject?: 20
*Charedim, supporters and/or apologists critical of general racism: 1
*Charedim, supporters and/or apologists critical of the "Der Yid"'s racist rant: 0

(%$#@! Hit "Post" instead of "Review").

FM team:
*35 users critical towards "Der Yid"'s racist rant.
*Posts commenting or responding about the subject?: 59

Non-participants or non-sequiturs:
*Oh, whatever,...

The point is, Rebitzman, you had faith that the deed was shameful enough that no Haredi should cover for them.

Well, they didn't disappoint on following their automated zealot response.

Sorry, Rebitzman.

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