Haredi Soldier Evicted From Synagogue

A haredi Israel Defense Forces solder was reportedly expelled from the Toldos Avarahm Yitzchak synagogue and study hall in Beit Shemesh today, after he tried to pray there while wearing his uniform.

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Haredi Soldier Evicted From Synagogue
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

A haredi Israel Defense Forces solder was reportedly expelled from the Toldos Avarahm Yitzchak synagogue and study hall in Mea Shearim Beit Shemesh today, after he tried to pray there while wearing his uniform.

The soldier was told to keep out by a Toldos Avraham Yitzchak scholar who reportedly told the soldier that, “you are wearing the Zionist military uniform and therefore you cannot enter and daven in a beis medrash which flies the flag of anti-Zionism."

But because it was already 10:00 am, the solder could not find another morning minyan, prayer quorum, in Mea Shearim Beit Shemesh.

So the soldier tried to enter the Toldos Avraham Yitzchak synagoge to pray with its minyan despite the scholar’s warning.

When the soldier entered, the scholar reportedly assaulted him and screamed, “Get out, tuma! [Get out, ritually impure object!]” and drove him out of the synagogue-study hall.

The soldier left the building and prayed alone outside in a courtyard. The other Toldos Avarahm Yitzchak kollel and yeshiva students did not intercede for him.

Haredi neighborhood residents were reportedly upset by how the soldier was treated but their objection were ignored by Toldos Avarahm Yitzchak’s students.

[Hat Tip: Burich.]

Comments

[mmm]

they should take away their tax free status

[Liran]

Does anyone know the name of "the scholar"?

[seymour]

sick ship them to the gaza

[Liran]

they should take away their tax free status

Posted by: mmm | August 27, 2012 at 11:06 AM

First one has to find out who "the scholar" was before one can begin the process of trying to remove his tax free status.

[anon]

They should be named 'Todos Yishmael v'aisav' not Avraham vyitzchak.

[jancsibacsi]

This new generation of chareidim are so spoiled that they have no idea anymore whats wrong or whats right,they have no inkling of what this world is about ,the best thing in the world would be to take away all their allowences and force them to go to work so they wake up from their deep deep delusions traumatize them or shock them into reality i guarantee you they will change their attitudes for sure.

[Bas Melech]

In the month of Elul, a month of tshuvah. How do these chareidim know if he might want to repent for being in IDF?

Mida kneged mida. One day they will be blocked from entering a shul.

[Jenny Craig]

shmarya
by adding the word scholar you made your report look uncredible

a good journalist would never let his feelings influence his article

[God is not amused]

God bless his heart! not to worry. Pray under Gods beautiful sky by a peaceful nature setting. That is where I do my best praying. You don't need an edifice and your don't need to be around those vicious reptiles. THEY don't serve OUR GOD. They serve the god of malice. They don't serve the community. YOU do, that makes your a special child in Gods eyes.

[Alter Kocker]

Soldier:
Take your sidearm, and press the business end against your tormentor's temple. Cock the sidearm and assure the tormentor that either you be allowed to continue, or his brains will be littering the floor.

After the tormentor shits his pants several times, I'm sure that he will stop bothering you. Use your training. That is why you received it.

[shoshy]

The story happened in Beit Shemesh, not Meah Shearim.
Here is a link to it in English:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/uniformed-haredi-soldier-kicked-out-of-his-shul/2012/08/27/

[God is not amused]

"Special Interest Groups" status has to be stopped. Get a load of this. You and I, we stand in line and get gropped by TSA...while they don't. This breeds resentment. I am seething. This article says that they bought DC with the block vote. THIS get us "anti-semitism"

http://chabadworld.net/page.asp?pageID=%7BD489E5B2-B6BD-4EAB-B58D-F05F2AC3EE51%7D

Now bear in mind KJ is on grant money and 70% in KJ are on welfare. And they get preferential treatment from DC. This is what gentiles see from "Religious Jews."
NOT GOOD.

This young man joined the real world and the special interest group harass him?

Malice and discord where ever the Haredi show up.

[rebitzman]

@Jenny Craig

shmarya
by adding the word scholar you made your report look uncredible

He's quoting the article itself - that is how he is identified in the Bhol story.

[ah-pee-chorus]

what a disgrace.

@Posted by: jancsibacsi | August 27, 2012 at 11:18 AM

well said!!

THEY don't serve OUR GOD
Posted by: God is not amused

sure they do. they just have a better understanding of what he REALLY meant.thats the problem with using a plagiarized collection of ancient myths as a guide to life. people who are duped will willingly act against their self-interest.

[A. Nuran]

If this is what toireh does Jews should stay well away from it.

[Liran]

The story happened in Beit Shemesh, not Meah Shearim.
Here is a link to it in English:
http://www.jewishpress.com/news/breaking-news/uniformed-haredi-soldier-kicked-out-of-his-shul/2012/08/27/

Posted by: shoshy | August 27, 2012 at 11:50 AM

According to that story it went like this

'Before entering the shul, he sat outside the building. One of the Chassidim passing by requested that the soldier “keep out.”'

No mention as to him being "a scholor" just a passerby.

[Liran]

make that

No mention as to him being "a scholar" just a passerby.

[rebitzman]

No mention as to him being "a scholor" just a passerby.

The Hebrew account says "scholar" and the idea that a passerby could chunk himout of the shul is just a tad beyond belief.

[Liran]

The Hebrew account says "scholar" and the idea that a passerby could chunk himout of the shul is just a tad beyond belief.

Posted by: rebitzman | August 27, 2012 at 12:39 PM

All the more reason to find out his identity. Strange description, scholar, I could see him being referred as "rabbi", but scholar? There is nothing scholarly in his action.

[AztecQueen2000]

Assaulting a member of the armed forces is a felony in most countries. I think it's "suicide by military" in others (shoot first, ask questions later). Soldier, you are within your rights to arrest that man.

[deasd]

They don't take a penny from the Israeli government for their shul and mosdos, it is private property they have a right to believe whatever they want and a right to admit to their private property whomever they want and keep out whomever they want. What happened to the champions of freedom of religion, privacy and private property rights? Shmarya you are no better than the Taliban or the communists. They believe that their standards should be applied everywhere without exception. You have no right even in your own home to believe and practice what you believe.

[Bassy the Haredi Slayer]

Israeli government for their shul and mosdos, it is private property they have a right to believe whatever they want and a right to admit to their private property whomever they want and keep out whomever they want
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They might have the right but they are still jerks. You remind me of a woman who went to the rabbi and asked: "shit fell into my tshulent , is it still kosher?"

The rabbi answered: "yes, it is still kosher but it stinks"

[jancsibacsi]

deasd-Those young punks who threw him out of the synagoug e they are trying to domintae the more forgiving if you read the piece you would see that those young mindless ones should have no say in the shul they are irresponsible.and you are the most vile despicable person on the face of this earth,hand deh of, the sooner the better for us all.

[BeenThereDoneThat]

Chucking people out of shul is against yiddishkeit.

No ifs, no buts.

[deasd]

Basssy, they are jerks in your opinion, so are you in the opinion of atheists, Muslims, christian. To some such as the neo-nazis, anti-semites and all other haters you are not even human. So thinking people came up with an idea that since we are all jerks in the eyes of someone else and this makes it very difficult to live in peace side by side without one trying to impose on another they came up with an idea. So long as you are a jerk in you own place, use your own money, not only will we allow it, we will support it. We will send the police out to protect you so you can be a jerk.

In this case we know what they believe. They are against a Jewish state before the messiah, agree with them or not. Therefore, a soldier "dressed in uniform" represents all they are against. So I have to conclude that the soldier who knew this should have been sensitive to their beliefs in their shul and he was a jerk for going in there. It is like a Jews for Jesus goes into a shul with the cross. Or it is like your non Jewish friend coming to you home with non kosher food and expecting to use your dishes.

Bottom line you are a jerk and they are jerks, we are all jerks.

[jancsibacsi]

deasd0--You are biggest jerk of them all the father of all jerks you demented retard.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

"you are a jerk and they are jerks, we are all jerks"

They are the Egged (busdrivers). I am the walrus. Goo goo g'joob.

deasd, your comparisons of this atrocious behavior to Jews for Jesus or bringing home a non-Jewish friend make even less sense. Sorry.

[zionist goy]

I realize it's a religious "thing" way over my head with lack of tradition, but i still find some of these haredi actions incomprehensible. Their unpatriotic actions, with different underlying motivations are much more akin to a rainbow coalition of pacifists, communists and just out and out dovish liberals over here. Sad to hear.

[Friar Yid]

The achdus, it burns.

[Drive-by Dan]

deasd, all Shmarya did was post an article.

If you don't like articles being posted, there is always the option to go elsewhere...

[Bassy the Haredi Slayer]

So I have to conclude that the soldier who knew this should have been sensitive to their beliefs in their shul and he was a jerk for going in there
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Soldiers on transit from their base home or vice versa are obligated to wear uniforms. They do not have in their bag civilian clothes ( no much use for it in the base) 

Didn't you read the Artscroll (or whatever)  children story about a rabbi who used the Kabbalah to bring the moshiach, he was successful but when the moshiach came to his synagogue  to take the rabbi to Eretz Israel with him, the moshiach was kicked out because he was dress like a beggar. 

[jancsibacsi]

Bassy the Haredi Slayer -This deasd is tottaly out of his mind, he sees the soldier as a jerk and the real jerks who kicked him out as rational normal people can you beleive it,i am telling you that i have seen the enemy and the enemy is us, sick and getting sicker.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: deasd
"They don't take a penny from the Israeli government for their shul and mosdos, it is private property they have a right to believe whatever they want and a right to admit to their private property whomever they want and keep out whomever they want."

Yes, yes they can. They have the right to prevent a Religious IDF soldier that protects their neighborhoods by attacks by terrorists forces from praying there.

Doesn't make it humanly right under no contexts or excuses, specially Religious ones, and shoving him away while calling vile names doesn't help their "righteous" images of "people of peace and tolerance" either (try the same scenario with an US/EU Catholic Priest or Islamic Imam. You will never witness somebody's kicked ass disappear so fast into the sunset).

But, you are 100% right, deasd. Their private place of worship, their rules.

"What happened to the champions of freedom of religion, privacy and private property rights?."

Nobody's calling for the shutdown their synagogue. Not the article, FM, or Shmarya, deasd.

"Shmarya you are no better than the Taliban or the communists. They believe that their standards should be applied everywhere without exception."

But it didn't stop you for writing ad hominem comments base on no-factual, nonexistent FM "stated facts". Shoot the messenger.

"You have no right even in your own home to believe and practice what you believe."

Isn't that a shame the Toldos Avarahm Yitzchak synagogue's staff felt that way about a believing, practicing IDF soldier.

Stones in glass synagogue, deasd.

[Jeff]

I realize it's a religious "thing" way over my head with lack of tradition, but i still find some of these haredi actions incomprehensible. Their unpatriotic actions, with different underlying motivations are much more akin to a rainbow coalition of pacifists, communists and just out and out dovish liberals over here. Sad to hear.

Posted by: zionist goy | August 27, 2012 at 06:37 PM

You're a colossal fool.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: deasd
"(cut nonsense part of ant-semite "Jerk" argument)'"

"They are against a Jewish state before the messiah, agree with them or not. Therefore, a soldier "dressed in uniform" represents all they are against. "

True, but still not an acceptable excuse/religious reason to throw somebody out of a place of workshop. Private property?, fine, Calling him a "impure object Zionist IDF soldier!" while doing so?, perfect if you want to look like a extremist Religious zealot that doesn't care about all the sacrifices and deaths iDF soldiers have suffer so they are able to have a synagogue to throw them out out.

But, again, their place, their "beliefs." Don't expect sympathy because of these.

"So I have to conclude that the soldier who knew this should have been sensitive to their beliefs in their shul and he was a jerk for going in there."

Wow. He really did this intentionally?. He knew?. How do you know "he knew"?. You have any facts to confirm this assumption, or is it just an self "opinionated" factoid you just pulled that out of one of your organic recesses?. Excuse me if I treat the veracity of your "fact" in the same way I would handle a bucket of osmotic fecal matter.

"(H)e was a jerk for going in there."

"No, I'm not going to admonish the synagogue staff that didn't allow a Religious Israeli soldier to pray there, insulting him for doing so, based on their extremist zealot beliefs. Instead I will insult the soldier for provoking the synagogue staff into showing the world their extremist zealot beliefs in public, thus bringing attention and ridicule upon their heads."

Pull the other one, deasd, it's got bells on.

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: zionist goy
"Their unpatriotic actions, with different underlying motivations are much more akin to a rainbow coalition of pacifists, communists and just out and out dovish liberals over here."

"While bringing no information that's already covered in the article or by other users, I will use this posts nevertheless to rant on my rabid dislike of other political parties and beliefs that as nothing to do with the subject at hand."

"Sad to hear."

Yes, you are really torn apart, A Yid. Now, do contribute a modicum of data related to the subject, would you, skip?.

That's a good tool.

[ruthie]

a jew asking a jew to leave for wearing the uniform of a country that was created after the holocaust. omg omg omg
this takes the cake.
omg
my father was an israeli soldier.
my dad put tefillin on every morning and was shomer shabbos.
i just ..this is too much.
i hug this soldier.
i ask g-d to bless him.

[zionist goy]

Bob G. the lack of respect accorded this military guy was very similar to what i have seen in this country by many groups with the same aims. I don't have to address the religious dogma for the controversy. The point i made was gemaine to that end.

[chutzpah]

"mashiach was kicked out because he was dressed like a begger" pretty much sums up the state of affairs ...thanks for sharing that quote...I will use it!

[Bob Guthrie]

Posted by: zionist goy
"Bob G. the lack of respect accorded this military guy was very similar to what i have seen in this country by many groups with the same aims."

Noted your opinion. Noted too that you used that post to take a cheap shot at other US parties or movements you don't agree with by trying to associate the extremist actions these... "Scholars" used on this Hasid IDF on the same level as how these aforementioned groups threat US troops.

Sorry, wrong equivalence . It's not 1975, but they do show their dislike for anything related to the US Military (protests, mailings, sites, speeches, etc,...). You know, that pesky US First Amendment thingie right, A Yid

A "Dovish US Liberal Communist" kicking out a religious US soldier from any public or private place, while calling him vile things?. Can you imagine just the Worldwide felt sonic boom created by the collective howling of US Conservatives alone?. Their keyboards would vaporize by the sheer pounding of keys, Talk Radio mikes would detonate in unison, TV personalities would just keel over from sympathetic rage aneurisms... The Political Second Coming.

But, nope, sorry, no cigar. If you are looking for an equivalent troop hating US group (who are also extremist religious zealots to boot), try the Westboro Baptist Church.

They fit the description to a "T", plus the same deeds, with no repercussions either. Funny that.

[devora-torah]

an before "h"- -an hardei israel defence.....;

[spaced out BT]

Scholar? Probably just some batlan putzing around the shul. A real lomdan would be sthtayging and minding his business.