Video: The True Price Of Jewish Settlements

What's the true price of West Bank Jewish settlements? This, I think. And even though the price is high, we might end up paying it for decades to come.

 

 

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[DoingBusiness]

Like any investment. There is a startup cost but I think in the long run well worth it.

[Lo K'darkah]

An arrogant bully kicks a kid on the ground for no reason other than to instill the fear of yehud. I hope this vid goes viral and they discipline him. If you took away his uniform and his gun, all that would be left is a small dick. Of course, the culture that produces both him and these circumstances is something sane people have been concerned about for decades.

[Yochanan Lavie]

I agree that many of the settlements are untenable for a variety of reasons, including this one. However, I don't advocate going back to the '67 borders. The Arabs and Iranians won't be able to resist attacking them, and w/o "East Jerusalem" what kind of a Jewish State is it? I still like the Allon Plan, or some variation thereof.

[Jake]

Do you know what this kid did before getting sacked?

A kid that age smashed a window on my car when I was driving through Armon Hanatziv in Jerusalem.

[Mendel]

What would you title this post if you knew that this kid tried throwing a sharp rock on this soldier's head from his roof?

This kid is very lucky he got away this easily. If this would be any other army in the world, he would be one of the "collateral casualties." Shame on these soldiers for misplacing their mercy on this kid.

The title clearly exposes the twisted bias of this blog.

[Reb Chaim]

This video has no value in any intelligent discussion of the matzav without context. One should never forget that a border policeman involves tough, thankless, dangerous work since you can loose a limb, an eye or even your life itself at any moment from a thrown rock or an ied deployed by just such a kid. The Palestinians have a long record of indoctrinating their kids and turning them into would-be jihadists even at the tender age of 8 or 9.

[ah-pee-chorus]

the incident may have been a set-up. why was the videographer filming that specific spot? its like he knew something like this might happen at that time at that place. i bet there was something planned and done to instigate just such a response. do we know any of the backstory or what the soldiers said took place? without that i cant say whether their actions were unwarranted and cruel or wholly justified.

[JUST WONDERING]

Who shot this video ? If it was a security camera of the arabs, then the view would remain stationary - the very fact that the camera follows the "action" shows that someone is filming live & that there was some history ( either on or off camera )preceeding these frames . It is hard for us Americans to fully grasp that these kids are taught to hate / attack / murder since the cradle .

[Bob the Builder]

Stolen IDF uniforms: good for terrorist attacks and youtube videos.

[PrettyBoyFloyd]

And who was it that told me that Shmarya doesn't hate Jews? That's right Jeff, please tell me that again to make it more believable.
Using an Arab video as 'proof' of Jewish soldiers' brutality. Classic Shmarya.
Please drown Al Kiddush Hashem in the Mississippi river.

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | July 04, 2012 at 11:27 AM

Calm down. Israel has nuclear weapons on multiple platforms. 10 miles of geography isn't anywhere near as much of a deterrent as a mushroom cloud.

[Avi]

What does this have to do with where the soldier was stationed or Jewish settlement in Hebron? Military personnel and police can and do behave like that right in the middle of Tel Aviv!

[Adi danido]

I know the area. I know these people. They send children to provoque and film
I will kick the same If I need to and send him home exact what the Sargent did
For sure they send the child to to spit or trow stones
See the floor full of stones
See how long the fim runs before the soldier catch the child
The cameraman was ready waiting the set up
Need to catch the cameraman an cut his balls

[Maskil]

Yeah, in that area it's not about settlements. It's a local thing and the kid wasn't crying with fear, it was an act. And the kick the kid got from the soldier, he was damn lucky he wasn't Jewish. This is purely a Hebron thing.

[Yossi G.]

This is absurd: One would have to believe that the photographer "just happened" to be taking a video of a blank wall for so long, and that the captured video is just coincidence.
I will cocede that there is no excuse for beating up on a child, but it's also impossible to expect men facing such threat to life to ignore apparent/ assumed provocation.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

Posted by: Reb Chaim | July 04, 2012 at 12:20 PM
One should never forget that a border policeman involves ...

child abuse.

[Eli, what me messiah?]

And if it was a set up, then the point about the price being high is well-placed.
Israeli soldiers being provoked by children into kicking them is incredibly sad to see.

[Rocky]

Decades to come? The US may be broke in a few decades so who will subsidize Israel then? Between the super Zionists who live in the West Bank and the religious crazies who are multiplying like rabbits, Israel has managed to lose much of the goodwill that it enjoyed in 1967, even among some Jews in the diaspora.

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

It is hard for us Americans to fully grasp that these kids are taught to hate / attack / murder since the cradle .

Posted by: JUST WONDERING | July 04, 2012 at 12:56 PM

"They" sure are.

[BobTheButcher]

So Shmaryie, you posted this vid...why? To justify haredi (and leftist) draft-dodging as long we've got Yehuda & Shomron? But wait, you've got a bunch of posts that seem to be *against* haredi draft-dodging. I'm confused. Oh wait, maybe you're only against haredi "settlements" in the "occupied territories". Yeah, that's the ticket.

[zionist goy]

True price of jewish settlements? Highlighting a trivial, yes trivial incident such as this against those indoctrinated from the womb to be your sworn enemies is ridiculous propaganda. For incidents such as this Jews shouldn't settle thier biblical inheritance, Samaria, i see. i had worse beatings from gangs in the city at that age. Perhaps this will give the kid pause in the future, or embitter him but this is not pivotal moment in the West Bank reclamation. Without knowing all the details, we can only speculate as to a provocation. Perhaps the soldiers need to be rotated and relieved more often, i'm sure and G-d willing the Haredim will be compelled to provide some of that relief. One of the few issues i agree with Livni on.

[a yid]

How about a more correct title
'Child abuse in Arab families celebrated by some'
A small child is used as cannon fodder against the Israeli military. The adult filming is aware the soldier is lying in wait to catch the child, however, to the adult filming, more important then the child's well-being is the fact that they can get good film of an Israeli solder misbehaving.
For those that don't get whats going on here. the kid was doing something (probably throwing stones) the soldier lies in wait and then catches the kid, all filmed by an adult who could have easily warned the kid.

I thought this blog was about child abuse, and u should be attacking it, oh wait, that's only if charadim do it, Arab child abuse is fine, as long as it shows Jews in a bad light

[uncle joe mccarthy]

oh give me a break.

shmarya, you destroy any credibility you have left, when you take up the mantle of the far left jew hating loonies

there is no such thing as a settlement...no such thing as the west bank. there are neighborhoods in disputed territory

territory which up to 1988 was still being claimed by jordan...which is the true palesitinian state

enough of this...complete the population transfer

bye bye arab hordes...go live in dearborne

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: a yid | July 04, 2012 at 05:27 PM

One could make the argument that settlers are deliberately putting their children in harm's way as well, and therefore would be considered child abusers.

[Jake]

I use to travel from Jerusalem to Ber Sheva via Hebron.

One day on the way back at a " refugee" camp located between Ber Sheva and Hebron I saw a Mercedes stretch taxi marked BBC TV.

There was a Israeli foot patrol wearing berets coming down the road.
A group of Arab teens standing on the other side of the road holding rocks and waiting for the Israelis to approach.

The Israelis saw was waiting for them and put on their Helmets..

On que the Arabs started throwing the rocks the BBC started filming and the Israelis started chasing the Arabs. Would have been much more effective to shoot them. Never have to worry about them attacking anyone again.

Unfortunately Israel has adopted foreign ethics and tactics in dealing with this situation. Many problems would have been settled long ago if handled differently.......".

Anyone who thinks anything will be solved with a " hearts and mind approach" is a fool.

[balansen]

Seriously? He deserved it?

All those crying that this video is filmed out of context are unwittingly reinforcing Shmarya's point: the settlements indirectly cause Israelis to behave callously and objectionably without their even realizing it. If you can't see why it's wrong for an adult to kick a small child, then the settlements have inflicted their cost on you as well.

[SkepticalYid]

I have relatives who are RW RZ settlers. They believe the Israeli government should be overthrown, by violent means if need be, and replaced with their so-called Sanhedrin. For all practical purposes, they're terrorists.

[zionist goy]

Thank G-d some of you bleeding hearts aren't serving in the idf. Israel will never dismasntle the settlements, cede the west bank and provide terrorists another entry point Jordan) We see how well that experiment worked in catured Sinai and Gaza strip.

[under duress]

Are you kidding? He wasn't even crying. It was barely a potch.

[amrilusaguy]

It looks bad but....

Three words
Context, Context, and Context

Why was the video being filmed from that windows at that time?

What rules were in effect?

Where the Policemen set up to capture someone and the kid almost got caught in a crossfire?

The Post Zionists are very good at staging and capturing fantastic propaganda content - this is yet another example.

[who knows]

Kids like this throw big rocks from the rooftops in Hebron on a regular basis. These rocks could kill and they cause serious injures.

A propagandist setting up the incident and filming it and distributing it is the one who is trully dangerous. The kid and the soldier are victims of that vicious behind the scene camera man. He is really a provocature and enabler of terrorists.

Surprisingly Shmaryah decided to become a willing helper of the terrorist camera man.

[Moshe in Israel]

A few points.

1. Thanks to all those outside of Israel who thinks that they have the answer. Come live here and see first-hand what is going on. I have been to Kiryat Arba for Shabbat, and there were IDF all along the route from Kiryat Arba to Me'arat HaMachpela. The IDF is on alert for ANYTHING. Hebron is a war zone, simple as that.

2. This footage shows nothing. To all those who question the footage, I agree with you. The propaganda is deep, and Israel is always on the defensive. Remember Jenin, and the Muhammad al-Durrah incident. We never win in the court of public opinion.

3. Shmarya, what are you trying to say in the headline? I've read it a few times, and I still don't understand your angle. I would suggest you stick to Haredi and Lubavitch bashing, and keep out of Israel military and defense issues.

[Phil]

Difficult to know whether the kid was a terrorist or not before being kicked.

'Cos he's certainly going to be after..

I well remember on my first ever day of miluim in Nablus during the first intifada when Israel still banned Palestinan flags in the West Bank (and boy, was that a silly law) a group of border policemen finding a little flag on the street and picking up five youths at random.

They then gave them a box of matches and ordered them to burn the flag while they kicked them.

Pure, mindless humiliation. 23 years on, at least we're out of their cities and refugee camps now but I think it's a fair guess what political views those kids developed about Israel as a result. To say nothing what they thought about Jews.

More worrying though, is how normative it now is for Jews and people on these blogs to excuse this kind of activity.

There's no such thing as an enlightened occupation.

Wild, stressed out border policemen I almost understand, those excusing what they do from their armchairs in the US sicken me.

[Realist]

Love it! God bless them! Every stinky Arab should get his ass kicked by these guys!!!

[who knows]

Difficult to know whether the kid was a terrorist or not before being kicked.

'Cos he's certainly going to be after..

Posted by: Phil | July 05, 2012 at 07:01 AM

A single kick does not make a terrorist out of a person, but a sick ideology and constant propaganda does.

I don't know Phil whether or not you are writing truth about your miluim in Nablus, but I sure know that you grasp of human psychology remains on the level of a grammar school kid. Go, learn and get enlightened Phil. One good place to start is www.jihadwatch.com

[Nigritude Ultramarine]

Report by British jurists reminds of the horrors of Israeli child detention
The report – which specifies at least six violations of the UN convention on children’s rights – spotlights the horrors Israelis have grown accustomed to.

[zionist goy]

jihadwatch is an excellent reference to provide the leftwingers, btw. I also have faith that the coming infusion of thousands of loving, law abiding Charedi into the military and border guards will be a boon to the good relations between occupied and occupiers. A softer, gentler border guard, with no spitting or striking women and children.

[Brochin]

What happened to you S.? Hebron isn't a 'settlement' anymore than St. Paul is.
One, or ten, or thirty bad cops kick a kid, and suddenly the 'settlement enterprise' is viewed with disdain? You're squatting on Native American land, go to Franklin Ave and give 'em the keys to your house! Jesus.....make a rational claim against settlements if you desire, but using this pic to demonstrate moral terpitude of Israeli law enforecment is like just doesn't register with me. We don't know the context, we do know the act was wrong, but extrapolating to POLICY is misguided, in my humble opinion.

[Phil]

I don't know Phil whether or not you are writing truth about your miluim in Nablus, but I sure know that you grasp of human psychology remains on the level of a grammar school kid. Go, learn and get enlightened Phil. One good place to start is www.jihadwatch.com

Posted by: who knows | July 05, 2012 at 08:54 AM

Bingo, another armchair activist.

I seem to have touched a raw nerve here. Does the fact that someone leaves his wife and family for weeks on end over a period of ten years to dodge rocks and bullets, fire on Hizbullah and protect settlers force you to have to come to terms with your own inadequacies?

You're bloody lucky that people like me serve including in your holy West Bank because we care for the Jewish State in spite of our personal political opinions.

Funny how right wing all those hareidi draft dodgers are, isn't it? How nice of them to invite us to fight to the last non-Hareidi.

[Phil]

BTW, the video here is quite trivial really.

One kick, pretty gratuitous, but nothing particularly out of the ordinary.

I've seen a lot worse than that.

[Phil]

Here's a good piece for the armchair activists when they feel that their cognitive dissonance has been assuaged enough on jihadwatch.

http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/to-those-who-doubt-me/

[who knows]

I've checked out the Blog Phil. It does not change the fact that motivation of Palestinian and other Arabs to kill Jews does not start with a soldier's kicking a misbehaving stone throwing youth.

Remember that most Arabs and other muslims have never seen an Israeli soldier or any Jew for that matter. This does not stop them from desiring for the end of Jewish soverenty. The reason is ideological Phil. Read jihadwatch.com, then think and you may get enlightened.

[hater]

you fat americans with your big cars and your fast food lifestyle dont know anything about settlements or living in settlements...im glad that officer kicked that kid....i lived in hebron all my life and witnessed first hand the brutality of these so called "muslims". so go back to eating at shwarma king and surfing the internet. pathetic excuses