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June 11, 2012

Satmar: You Can't Lead Prayer Services If You Have Unfiltered Internet

If you don't have an Internet filter, you can't lead prayers -- Satmar synagogue, Lakewood, NJ 6-11-2012 1The Satmar synagogue in Lakewood, New Jersey forbids men who have unfiltered Internet access from leading prayer services.

If you don't have an Internet filter, you can't lead prayers -- Satmar synagogue, Lakewood, NJ 6-11-2012 1

The Lakewood Scoop's translation:

If you don’t have an Internet filter, you can no longer Daven for the Amud at the Lakewood Satmar Bais Medrash, according to the attached sign hanging in Satmar today. The filter, it says, must be approved by Rabbonim. It does not specify if it is referring to a home, office or both.

The poster is signed by the Satmar Dayan (religious judge) Rabbi Mordechau Betzalel Klein.

[Hat Tip: Sam.]

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And the downside is......?

You also have to have gefilte fish.

I'm waiting for "One who uses unfiltered Internet is forbidden to give tzedakah to the Kahal or its mosdos."

why is having unfiltered Internet worse than being a molester, or money launderer, or a person who committed financial crimes

and I'm not aware of a internet filter that is certified kosher.. i see another business cropping up as we speak.

I'm waiting for "One who uses unfiltered Internet is forbidden to give tzedakah to the Kahal or its mosdos."

Posted by: Office of the Chief Rabbi | June 11, 2012 at 11:49 AM

HA!

why is having unfiltered Internet worse than being a molester, or money launderer, or a person who committed financial crimes

Posted by: seymour | June 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Because none of those are aveiros, Seymour.

Okay, so your kid doesn't have to attend one of their schools, you don't have to worry about being called to lead the service... this just keeps getting better.

I'm not seeing the downside.

Which Satmar is this Shul under

Go ahead and blame everything on the Internet! The internet makes you lie, cheat, steal, molest young children, in fact everything that requires a scapegoat can be conveniently blamed on the internet.

So very convenient-you don't have to accuse any of your big contributors of any crimes, cause after all, the internet made them (enter crime here)

Posted by: mmm

A suite of "Kosher" Internet filters that some Frum Rabbinate/merchants tried to sell at the 40.000+ attendands at ASIFA (but didn't set the selling booth rights or the deal on time). Somebody already covered this nugget of information at an attempt at internet filter greed (jewishwhistleblower?).

So kiss the free K9 WebProtection filter goodbye.

shmarya- fyi: this shul has nothing to do with satmar hasidim. its just a regular haredi minyan factory in lakewood.

Posted by: seymour
why is having unfiltered Internet worse than being a molester, or money launderer, or a person who committed financial crimes

Because they can "control", "groom", "advise" these people you mention (some restrain). The Internet is a untamed beast with 0% chance of being controlled by the Frum Rabbinate unless they use religious/peer blackmail, impose their own set of filters, controllable by a set committee,or just outright ban the thing outright (Ha!).

If it were to be an Haredim intranet, like Iran is trying to do, maybe, but their own Frum businesses computers are connected to secular Jew and Goyim computer infrastructures,... Try to to force Cisco systems, Adobe or Microsoft to "faith filter" their economic net servers >=)

Their worst possible nightmare.

seymour-

yup....and how about anyone who is receiving family aid by lying about their marital status, getting food stamps by not reporting off the books income, avoiding taxes by being paid in cash, and getting section 8 housing fraudulently is also prohibited from being the chazan?
the problem is they might not even have a minyan in some shuls.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE05DI-Mdn8

Here's an Internet video of the guy who issued the ruling counting the Omer.

Dated 2 weeks ago

I assume same rule goes for men who withold gittin.

I just spoke someone who davens at this shul regularly. He informed me that this is a "pre asifa" poster that has been posted at this shul for close to a year. Indeed, if you inspect the poster posted on FM, it does look dated.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | June 11, 2012 at 01:27 PM

what is so shocked it that they are so machmer when it comes bein adom lamokom and so makel when it comes to bein adon lachavar.

it seems they have forgotten 3/4 of the bible

seymour, they think THEY are gods.

This is soooo confusing! Are these people Jews, Amish, Nazis, Taliban....?!?!

Judging by popular rhetoric today, you have a better chance as a jew today if you are not circumcised than you would if you were a Satmar and wanted to watch the internet web sites.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE05DI-Mdn8

Thanks rebetzin man

Would love to see what this guy looks like when he has an Orgasm!!!

seymour.feeding people in most hospital in the ny area everyday is what?

why is having unfiltered Internet worse than being a molester, or money launderer, or a person who committed financial crimes

Posted by: seymour | June 11, 2012 at 11:50 AM

Because the people you listed did the wrong thing, but we can't say why and we give them the benefit of the doubt, like a guy who had a car accident.

The guy with the unfiltered internet is being negligent "lechatchilah", like a guy drinking before getting behind the wheel.

Seymour!!!!

Since the jews are such bad terrible people.....

I think you should go visit your local Priest and have him spray some holy water on you and maybe reconnect the piece they cut off you when u were 8 days old!!!!

Posted by: Meir | June 11, 2012 at 03:38 PM

but they did wrong and should be held accountable and they are not by the frum community they suffer no shame no consequence and they rally around him as if they are holy. and when they get out of prison they make it like they where in jail because they where a Jew.

This is not to say that they cannot repent but they are not asked to and still hold their status in the community

criminal behavior should be punished and the person more not trusted than someone who is a little negligent

seymour.feeding people in most hospital in the ny area everyday is what?

Posted by: Kishmich80 | June 11, 2012 at 03:16 PM

and the Columbia drug cartel build hospital and offer free care does that excuse their criminal behavior

But you can if you are a pedophile.
Sicko

I will be going to satmar tomorrow and offer a donation to them with the understaanding that I have an unfiltered internet. I want to see if he hesitates to take my money

and the Columbia drug cartel build hospital and offer free care does that excuse their criminal behavior

Posted by: seymour | June 11, 2012 at 04:14 PM

I suspect that in many societies, the answer will be "yes", if the crimes committed were against people outside the community...or (if inside the community), people the community cares less about.

Because the people you listed did the wrong thing, but we can't say why and we give them the benefit of the doubt, like a guy who had a car accident.

Wait, I want to make sure I understand - you're telling me you consider a man who rapes a little boy to be on the same "madreiga" as a guy who has an automobile accident?

Wait, I want to make sure I understand - you're telling me you consider a man who rapes a little boy to be on the same "madreiga" as a guy who has an automobile accident?

Posted by: Jeff | June 11, 2012 at 05:42 PM

people get rear-ended all the time. what are you going to do if someone pulls out in front of you and you don't have time to react?

people get rear-ended all the time. what are you going to do if someone pulls out in front of you and you don't have time to react?

Especially in certain yeshivot...

Especially in certain yeshivot...

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie

i know the rosh yeshiva at one of them. the bendover rebbe.

Wait, I want to make sure I understand - you're telling me you consider a man who rapes a little boy to be on the same "madreiga" as a guy who has an automobile accident?

No. I'm trying to frame it from the perspective of the person who put up the sign.

Oh, okay.

This Satmar dayen let a suspected child molester be the Gabai of the mikva for many years!didn't tell he can't Daven for the Amod! please give me a brake!

How about a filter on the Satmar Mikva so you don't have to wade through the feces and other body excrement. Or better yet a new filter which screens out all molesters and pedophiles. i know then you'd have no one to daven for the amud.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE05DI-Mdn8

Here's an Internet video of the guy who issued the ruling counting the Omer.

Dated 2 weeks ago

Posted by: rebitzman | June 11, 2012 at 01:55 PM

This is obviously not a well man. Doesn't welfare cover psych meds?

Posted by: yoli

Would Satmar accept $ from someone with no filter?

Well, who else would even have any money?

@neverFrum

That wasn't my point. He's free to pray with as much as enthusiasm as he can muster.

My point was that the man (Rabbi Klein) who said if you have Internet access you can't lead prayers in his shul - is seen in ths video leading prayer.......on the Internet.

I find his sincerity moving - and the irony, delicious.

The video of Rabbi Klein is fascinating. His steady state shokel frequency (for the brief periods when the shokel is periodic) approaches 2 Hz (2 cycles per second). That is unusually high; based on my research the standard charedi shokel frequency is 1.05 - 1.20 Hz.

eymour-

yup....and how about anyone who is receiving family aid by lying about their marital status, getting food stamps by not reporting off the books income, avoiding taxes by being paid in cash, and getting section 8 housing fraudulently is also prohibited from being the chazan?
the problem is they might not even have a minyan in some shuls.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | June 11, 2012 at 01:27 PM

yup.....that's monsey
and these people are really beginning to think they are g-d.

APC: LOL!

Is the rabbi that has to go through the internet checking if its websites are kosher allowed to lead services?

"Is the rabbi that has to go through the internet checking if its websites are kosher allowed to lead services?"

yep... who goes to from home to home checking out if their internet if filtered or not?

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