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June 12, 2012

Like (Black African) Sheep To The Slaughter

African Refugee hands covering faceIsrael launches a nationwide sweep to detain and deport African reugees. At least 140 refugees have been arrested so far.

African Refugee hands covering face

Like (Black African) Sheep To The Slaughter
Israel launches nationwide sweep to detain and deport African reugees
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Dozens of African refugees were rounded up yesterday and detained in a nationwide sweep conducted by Israel’s Immigration Authority’s special Oz Unit.
 
Israel plans on deporting the refugees.

The sweeps will continue for a period of weeks with the goal of detaining and deporting 1,500 South Sudanese.

115 people were arrested during the Oz Unit sweeps yesterday. 105 are South Sudanese.

At least 25 more refugees have been arrested so far today.

Also caught in the sweeps were illegal immigrants from Nigeria, China, Ghana and the Ivory Coast.

The raids took place after the Jerusalem Administrative Court granted the government’s request to suspend the "collective protection" status granted to South Sudanese refugees, an act akin to sanctioning their deportation.

Israel’s haredi Interior Minister, Eli Yishai of the Sefardi Shas political party, told Ynet that the sweeps were “not meant to be against the infiltrators, but rather to preserve the Zionist and Jewish nature of the State of Israel…[the operation's primary goal is] to return the infiltrators from Eritrea and South Sudan to their countries, despite the difficulties mounted by the so-called human rights groups.…What we witnessed today was just the beginning of the battle for the future of Israel. I'm certain that the court will also sanction the deportation of infiltrators from Eritrea and Sudan, who pose the main threat."

Vice Premier Shaul Mofaz, who is the head of the Kadima political party, claimed the migrants “are not refugees."

"They came illegally to look for work and do damage to Israel," Mofaz claimed. "The 1,500 to 2,000 who come in monthly must be stopped. The [Sinai] fence must be completed. The next goal should be to return them to their country of origin…”

"I went to South Sudan," Likud MK Danon said yesterday. "It's a country you can live in." Danon went on to call deported South Sudanese refugees “crybabies.” "We cannot let them bring Africa to Israel," Danon added.

Another Likud MK, Miri Rege – who last month called African refugees a "cancer" during an anti-refugee demonstration in south Tel Aviv that degenerated into a mini-pogrom against African refugees there – told the Knesset yesterday that Israel had been "captured" by the refugees.

Aid workers criticized the government, noting that the refugees had fled war zones, and that their lives will be in danger if they are deported.

The men arrested yesterday were sent to a regular Israeli prison. The women and children were transferred to the Saharonim refugee camp. At one time approximately 1,000 refugees from Darfur were imprisoned there.

Six families that agreed to leave Israel voluntarily were released to prepare for their scheduled flights to Africa.

There are 1,500 South Sudanese in Israel out of a total of 60,000 African refugees there.

35,000 of those refugees are Eritrean and 15,000 are from northern Sudan. Under International law, Israel can’t legally deport them.
 
Eritrea’s government has been recognized by the United Nations and the international community as a tyrannical regime that is a systemic abuser of human rights. Sudan has no diplomatic relations with Israel and is officially an "enemy state.”

To get around this, Israel tried in the past to deport Eritreans and Sudanese to other countries but was not successful.

Yishai wants to disregard International law and deport these refugees anyway.

Speaking to Ynet about yesterday’s arrests, an aid worker complained that that Israel had not reviewed the status of those refugees it detained. Instead, Israel just decided to send them back to their home country “like sheep to the slaughter.”

Mainstream American Jewish organizations have been largely silent about Israel's mistreatment of African refugees and the insistence of many of its politicians that International law does not apply to it.

Many of the same reasons Israel gives for wanting to deport African refugees were made by governments that denied entry to Jewish refugees from Europe during the 1930s and early 1940s. Many of those asylum seekers were murdered in the Holocaust.

Some of these arguments also parallel the arguments made by the ancient Egyptians about the ancient Hebrews in the biblical book of Exodus. The arguments were used then to enslave the Hebrews.

[Sources: Ynet (a,b); the Jerusalem Post (a, b, c, d.]

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GET RID OF THESE SCHNORERS FROM AFRICA. YEARS AGO THE GUILT RIDDEN JEWS TOLD US WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TAKE IN THE ETHIOPIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS, NOW THEY SAY WE NEED TO TAKE THESE IN WHO HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH ISRAEL. IF YOU WANT TO TAKE IN EVERY HUMAN BEING IN THE WORLD WHO IS NEEDY THEN GO GET 1 BILLION STARVING PEOPLE IN AFRICA AND DUMP THEM INTO TEL AVIV.

ISRAEL WAS CREATED TO BE A JEWISH HOMELAND . ALL THE JEWS HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE GOYIM (GENTILES) BUT NO COMPASSION FOR THE JEWS. CHARITY STARTS AT HOME. ITS TIME WE STARTED TAKING CARE OF OUR OWN POOR AND NEEDY PEOPLE.

Its about time!

Once again, the racist trolls are starting:

YEARS AGO THE GUILT RIDDEN JEWS TOLD US WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO TAKE IN THE ETHIOPIANS BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS

Well, duh. It is a Jewish State. We also have an obligation to take in Russian Jews, many of whom are not halachically or culturally Jewish, but no one cares because they're white.

ALL THE JEWS HAVE COMPASSION FOR THE GOYIM (GENTILES) BUT NO COMPASSION FOR THE JEWS.

This contracts what Troll Green wrote before. We have compassion for Ethiopian Jews, but no compassion for the Jews? Another fine example of a yeshiva education.

Having said that, I do agree that Israel cannot absorb endless amount of illegal aliens, no matter what their color. Some will have to be deported (swiftly and humanely I hope). But exceptions should be made for refugees with a well founded fear of persecution. They should be given a path to naturalization, including military service. They would be more of an asset to Israel than the draft dodging chareidi parasites.

Why diid Scoottie post thhis anti Israel rant? I don't see any opportunity here to bash Orthodox Jews.

Looks like poor little Scottie is just a plain old anti Semite who hates anything and anybody Jewish.

Surprise. Not.

Posted by: CpA | June 12, 2012 at 06:49 AM

"Anti-Israel rant?"

What I posted is news. It's what actually happened.

And as for haredim, there are plenty of haredi and Zionist Orthodox rabbis who have incited against the Africans.

I reported that many times previously.

But last time I checked, Eli Yishai – THE HEAD OF A HAREDI POLITICAL PARTY, FOR GODSSAKE – is a haredi.

And that makes you an idiot.

SHaving a little temper tantrum so early in the morning Scottie?

My four year old grandson already knows that name calling gets his mouth washed out with soap. Too bad your grandfather never did the same for you.

They would be more of an asset to Israel than the draft dodging chareidi parasites.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | June 12, 2012 at 06:45 AM

Yes, thank you for saying it.

YES!! GET RID OF THE COON GARBAGE!! YOU LIBERAL ASSES THESE AFRICANS ARE SCUM THEY KILL AND RAPE!! WHEN YOUR MOMS GET RAPED OR KILLED BY THEM WE WILL SEE HOW FAST YOU WOULD SHIP THEM BACK!!!

moke
you are seriously ill

yochanan,
you are my favorite person here.
you are brilliant.

Moke,

How are you any different than the Nazis?

CPA,

you are probably more stupid than you look.
shut up already.
you sound so stupid

So what should be the approach to the Africans? They should be allowed to illegally cross the border and settle in Israel? Forever? Cannot the numbers sweal to millions? Will this not be the end of the Jewish State?

Ruthie,

I admire your ability to carry on a thoughtful conversation.

Actually, I would admire it, if you demonstrated such ability.

I have an excellent idea for Israel.
Instead of giving them 1000 euro and a plane ticket home.
Give them 1000 euro and a one way free flight anywhere in the world. Lets see how many democratic, western Israel bashing countries are willing to take scores of unskilled, restless young men and women.

Also, don't forget these people are refugees of a country considered by Israel to be an enemy... Is israel required to keeps its enemy's citizens? particularly when there is a country right next door that was just set up to handle this exact problem!

CPA
Scotties grandfather was busy bootlegging, so no time to teach him to control his temper.
And I am not sure how you did not realize this yet, but according to Shmarya, certain people could never do anything right, such Charedim, or Israeli politicians.

Nothing brings out the trolls so much as issues of race and sexuality.

If the Africans were also gay, their heads would probably explode.

racists and xenophobes throughout history have used accusations of crime and the defilement of their women at the hands of black rapists to justify their hatred and raise the fear level of all.
interestingly, the truth is often far different.

"A report published by the Knesset's Research and Information Center Committee (מרכז המחקר והמידע של הכנסת) in October 2010, stated that the number of criminal cases opened against illegal immigrants in relation to their numbers is significantly lower than the number of cases opened against the general population where they live. in Tel Aviv for example it is estimated that only one criminal case was opened to every 84 illegal immigrants, while the overall average criminal cases per person is one out of 16 residents. The report also noted that according to the research department of the Israeli Police, the crime committed by foreigners in Israel is mostly within their own sector, and therefore many of the victims have no interest in filing a police complaint."


http://www.knesset.gov.il/mmm/data/pdf/m02844.pdf ....via wikipedia


that said, i agree with YL that there is a limit to what a country like israel can do. an influx of about 70,000 is about 1% of its population. that would be like the united states experiencing an influx of over 3 million within a few years. its a level which is unsustainable. israel should do its part as a good citizen of the world community and decide on an acceptable and practical number of refugees that it can safely absorb. other countries must do the same. but israel should not be held to a higher standard at the expense of its own social stability.
a proper balance must be found. this isnt an issue which should be dealt with via simplistic binary options. the answer isnt the immediate expulsion of all, nor is it the continued increase of refugees unabated.

As a decendent of black jews and my children will be of mixed race due to thir mom being white i cant help to wonder why people still see color these days. As a jew we must show compassion. If these qfricans are seeking refuge shoould we not help the ones in need. I cant help but to think race plays a small role. The Russian in israel are just as bad and many are pretending to be jews but yet no mass roundups to deport them. I say depirt the trouble making people if all races thats not jews, but spare the ones fleeing persecution.

"Give them 1000 euro and a one way free flight anywhere in the world. Lets see how many democratic, western Israel bashing countries are willing to take scores of unskilled, restless young men and women."

Oh, but you are! The Hebrew Immigrant Aid Society pockets $5000-$10,000 in goy tax dollars to fetch African immigrants and dump them on nice towns like Minneapolis. Once they transfer responsibility to the local goy welfare department the HIAS gets to trouser whatever is leftover. It is really quite a lucrative business for the Hebrews in charge.

Imagine an African Immigrant Aid Society in Israel that gets paid by the Israeli government and Jewish taxpayers to import and dump Africans in Israel. Ridiculous, no?

Only Israel cannot police its own borders.
Only Israel has to accept unlimited influxes of people from other countries without any say as to who gets in.
Only Israel is criticized when people pass through a half dozen countries on their way there, all of whom refuse to let them stay and push them on towards Israel.

israel should NOT HAVE LET them into the country in the first place .
israel would not have gone thru that process and aggravation . israel made a mistake , they have to fix it .

i hope this is a lesson for israel .

next time africans want to get into the country , israel should know not to let then IN , so that israel won't have the
aggravation to get them to leave the country .

yochanan lavie ,

it is a matter of color . white goyim would have been welcomed . whites would not have been forced out of israel .
white goyim would have blended into israel
beautifully and positively .

Oh please. Every country in the world has laws against illegal aliens. The truth is (not that I expect Shmarya to know sitting in Minnesota), that they live in the street and exist by stealing. No one wants to live near them as they are criminals, and are in Israel illegaly in any case. If Israel does not move them to refugee centers, there is a good chance some citizens will take the law into their own hands. If you lived nearby, you would be tearing your hair out while refusing to let your children out of your sight. And so what exactly do you propose Israel do with them? Give them three story homes????

"
Having said that, I do agree that Israel cannot absorb endless amount of illegal aliens, no matter what their color. Some will have to be deported (swiftly and humanely I hope). But exceptions should be made for refugees with a well founded fear of persecution. They should be given a path to naturalization, including military service. They would be more of an asset to Israel than the draft dodging chareidi parasites."

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | June 12, 2012 at 06:45 AM


Such compassion for a bunch of criminals. How about if we moved them next door to you, smartass? If you love these criminals so much, why don't you take them in?

None of the sources call them refugees, they are referred as as African migrants. They live in the poor neighborhoods making living by robbing and raping the Filipino and the Thai workers who live in the same neighborhood.

The problem is that the gang are operating outside South Tel Aviv which make the problem much more visible.

Few years ago the Israeli police stopped the wife of the Filipino ambassador whom they mistook for illegal worker.

Alan the asswipe: First of all, I live in a racially mixed neighborhood, and if your yeshiva taught you how to read you would see that I wrote:

Having said that, I do agree that Israel cannot absorb endless amount of illegal aliens, no matter what their color. Some will have to be deported (swiftly and humanely I hope).

The only exception I made was a handful of genuine refugees should be given a path to citizenship. Of course criminals should be arrested, deported, or both. But dimwitted racist fucks like you use the straw man argument to suggest I want to help criminals; something I neither said nor implied.

Aaron: have the lily-white Ukrainian immigrants of fractional Jewish heritage who wear crosses and spray paint Swastikas blended in "beautifully and positively"? Maybe we should deport Yemenite torah scholars instead while we're at it- they don't look very white to me. After all, "it is a matter of color."

Charlie: Who cares about Shmarya's grandfather? Only ancestor-worshiping "yechis" crazed chareidim.

I used to be a live and let live kind of guy. But I am now convinced that "black hat" Judaism is a cancer in Yiddishkeit that has absolutely nothing to offer me, the Jewish people, or mankind. I don't want to hurt individuals but I would rejoice if this pernicious cult disappeared as an ideology.

I don't want to hurt individuals but I would rejoice if this pernicious cult disappeared as an ideology.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie

a big AMEN!!

Ruthie: You are very kind. Back at ya! Thanks.

Where were all of the Israeli liberals & all of the Tikkun Olam people when it came to taking these people as tenants? It seems only the Chareidim were willing to give them a chance, which they blew by the criminal acts of a few of them.

Based on the paintbrush school of social issues used by this blog (paint all of a demographic with the same brush in the color of the most criminal of the group), they are a bunch of thieving, murdering rapists who are looking for a free ride.

All this from the nation that was the first to admit a Vietnamese refugee. How things have changed. The trick is how to be compassionate without triggering a mass migration? I guess every other country in the region is incapable of being shamed.

This does go beyond the scope of "Covering Orthodox Judaism". I think Scott views this to be a news venue like CNN or JPost. It is not. This story's relevance is that it is "bad for the Jews" - beyond the scope of the blog's intended purpose - unless of course, its purpose has changed.

So many racist fuckwits. Unbelievable.

I find Aaron's "I hate darkies for being all not white and stuff. Sure we're overrun with Russian goyim pretending to be Jews, being wildly anti-semitic and committing crimes, but at least they have the decency to be white" argument compelling.

Of course by "compelling" I mean "containing outright racism of the kind that would make Stormfront wince".

I disagree that Haredism is a cancer. I see it as a retrovirus, spread through close contact, that mutates and becomes more damaging with each new host it infects. It spreads unseen, unchecked, and ultimately it costs lives.

Caps lock troll - saying the same braindead shit, in the same format, means you have to do more than change the name you're posting with. You're fooling nobody.

I don't want to hurt individuals but I would rejoice if this pernicious cult disappeared as an ideology.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie


a big AMEN!!

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | June 12, 2012 at 10:21 AM

Enthusiastically seconded.

Yochonan the scumbag wrote:"Alan the asswipe: First of all, I live in a racially mixed neighborhood"

Wow! Really? Is that like, "Some of my best friends are Black"? ROTFLMAO. You racist elitist pig. These people are CRIMINALS, you idiot. You ever live next door to a crackhouse in Bedford Stuyvesant, Mr, "I live in a racially mixed neighborhood"? Why don't you try it for awhile and come back and tell me how lovely these criminals are. Personally, I couldn't care less what color these people are (although you seem to have a fixation with it. Why am I not surprised?).

A CRIMINAL IS A CRIMINAL. If you love criminals so much, check yourself into Rikers and live with them. Until then, your POV is rather juvenile and moronic.

Again, fuckwit Alan shows his illiteracy. I never said "some of my best friends..." I live in an urban, racially mixed neighborhood is all I said. Once again, troll Alan uses the straw man argument, saying I like criminals when I say I don't like them. I want criminals locked up, and I want you in the next cell, Alan, being their bitch.

what's the matter alan....never had a black lover?
you prejudice mon.
fuck off.
why are they criminals....because they're black?
omg
alan alan alan i feel sorry for you.
yes, there are criminals both black and white.
you're making this a race issue.
i spit in your face.

"ISRAEL WAS CREATED TO BE A JEWISH HOMELAND"

DEUTSCHLAND WAS CREATED TO BE A GERMAN HOMELAND. JUDEN RAUS!


It's only my opinion, but I think writing diatribes like these in CAPITAL letters makes them look even more insane.

I never want to hear another Jew bitch about the US turning away ships of Jewish refugees during the holocaust.

Seriously, the US sure didn't need to take uneducated, disease ridden, parasitic Eastern European Jews either.

Ever visited a detention center in the USA? Just ask Nina Bernstein what they are about... every country has a right to control their borders.

every country has a right to control their borders.

I'm not disputing that, which is why the overwhelming majority of illegals should be sent home. I'm just saying that compassion dictates that some exceptions be made in extraordinary cases. And stop the racist bullshit- who cares what color they are?

You have every right to advocate your point of view, Yochanan. But your insults regarding Alan's so-called lack of education are pathetic and useless. You only make yourself sound like a total douchebag. Race DOES that matter when it comes to immigration. Israel has let in hundreds of thousands of Thais, Filipinos and Chinese as foreign workers and you hardly EVER hear of any complaints about them from Israelis. That is because they work hard and obey the laws. Non-Jewish Africans in Israel have been very aggressive in some of their behavior and it is only natural that Israelis (Arabs and Jews) would feel uncomfortable around some of them. And ruthie, your insults are even more lame than Yonachan's.

What do the bleeding hearts think of Newark, N.J. as a vacation destination, homesteading choice or community worth emulating? There is a balance of demographics neccessary here. Those from third world countries must rise to the level of Israel's civilization and abandon thier own, all in very limited, controlled numbers insuring the dominance of a jewish state. Two millenia was a long enough wait for a homeland.

You only make yourself sound like a total douchebag.

Actually, I'm only a partial douchebag.

In recent weeks there have been a number of articles about the influx of these very illegal aliens to Israel. they pay at least 2100 dollars, there different pay outs of at least 700 US to get from Sudan or Eritrea to eventually be let free about 4-5 km from the border with Egypt and israel. they dont walk more than that.
The Eritrean government even has a real person who lives among these people that collects taxes from them that are allegedly sent back to Eritrea.
I dont see how any of these people are refugees.

Importing scum (for example rabin's big election and demographic importation of criminal, goy, pig slavs) and not deporting scum (like the african migrants) only makes it harder for the working poor (ie, most of the Jewish population of Israel) to live.

It has nothing to do with the color of the scum.

It's interesting how the Haredi scum victims are so loud about it, probably just worried about them cutting into their welfare schemes, whilst having no prob hiring white slavic scum as shabbos goys to work in their stinkhole yeshivas.

Sure, Israel was the only country in the world who took in many vietnamese boat people and it worked out well, because those refugees were not scum and acted gratefuTho. Those were the days...

They're not refugees. They're people who who traversed other countries - like Egypt - because the Israeli economy is a powerhouse compared to that of every African country. It's not Israel's responsibility to allow them in or to allow them to stay.

And to whoever wrote this piece, the incendiary headline you chose gives the lie to your assertion that you were just reporting news - no one's being slaughtered, they're being repatriated to their own countries. Why you would choose make it look like Israel is evil for doing what any other country would do - and doing it more humanely - is beyond me.

Let me deconstruct the latest argument, now that I have some time:

"[y]our insults regarding Alan's so-called lack of education are pathetic and useless. You only make yourself sound like a total douchebag."

I used to be an advocate for civility on this blog, but I am on my last nerve with racist trolls who claim to be religious but have a Pavlovian hate reaction every time a thread starts with the words "African," "Ethiopian," or "Black," no matter what the content. I would never call Deremes a fuckwit, for example, even though I disagree with almost everything he writes, because so far he has shown no evidence of racism. I don't think racists deserve respect or consideration. It is not a legitimate position that reasonable people can argue pro or con. Having said that, I concede that it makes me look like a partial douchebag to call Alan a fuckwit, even though he is one.

"Race DOES that matter when it comes to immigration."

Now the writer reveals himself (herself?) to be a racist pig. (Notice I didn't say fuckwit; I'm getting better). Race is a construct; it doesn't matter any more than hair color or height. Human beings, in any male/female combination, can have healthy offspring (in fact, it is the "pure races" who have inbreeding and genetic problems). The same cannot be said of canines; a chihuahua and a Great Dane cannot have healthy offspring. Racism is what Freud said is the narcissism of small differences (don't commit a logical fallacy by discrediting this idea simply because Freud said it and you don't like him). One can talk about population groups; that's a biological fact. But east, north, and west Africans have different genetics. So do the Khoisan (Hottentot) people of South Africa. So what is the "black race?" Nordics, Semites, Slavs and others have different genetics. So who is "white?" Native Americans share a lot of genetics with Mongolians, but they are considered a "race." Asian Indians neither resemble nor share much genetics with East Asians, so what race are they? By using the moniker "Southern Avenger" the troll clearly identifies with some of the least attractive features of Southern history, it seems.

"Israel has let in hundreds of thousands of Thais, Filipinos and Chinese as foreign workers and you hardly EVER hear of any complaints about them from Israelis. That is because they work hard and obey the laws. Non-Jewish Africans in Israel have been very aggressive in some of their behavior and it is only natural that Israelis (Arabs and Jews) would feel uncomfortable around some of them."

The difference is not race; it's the difference between restricted and unrestricted immigration. East Asians have to be flown to Israel, so they can be vetted and cherry picked. Africans can come over the Sinai landbridge, with a porous border. They are not screened, so bad guys can get through. In China there is intellectual piracy and corruption; not to mention arms sales to hostile Arab states and Iran. In Thailand and the Philippines there are drug crimes and sex crimes (child and adult prostitution, child pornography, human trafficking) as well as terrorism emanating from some segments of their Muslim minorities. Israel is not going to select child pornographers or Muslim terrorists to fly over and become nursing home workers.

Furthermore, I teach in an inner city NYC public school. As a cohort, the Africans are the best students. They are more likely to come from intact homes, study harder (or at all), go to church or mosque, and are usually respectful of authority. (The problem students among them tend to be more Americanized and influenced by our toxic youth culture). Africans take AP courses, graduate in 4 years, get on the honor roles, get awards, and go to college.

Bangladeshis, on the other hand, are, as a cohort, nice personally, but lazy and indifferent students. But Africans are supposed to be "stupid" and Asians are supposed to be "smart!"

Trolls: Notice my caveats and qualifications: "as a cohort." Individuals can and do vary. I am just generalizing from years of experience.

In order to maintain a high quality of discourse and appear articulate and intelligent, I will not curse out "Southern Avenger." I will just respectfully request that he perform metzitzah b'peh on himself, or die trying, so that he may more perfectly enter the covenant of the Lord.

Tastefully submitted:
YL

Alan is a douchebag. No doubt about it. You were only a partial D-Bag because I actually thought you went too far in attacking Alan's douchebaggery. Your response was reasoned and measured this time and even quite articulate. But I have to disagree with the comments about Africans. Africans who land through JFK Airport to study are most likely the "better and more enlightened" element who are more likely to succeed in life (academically and/or financially). Same thing with Africans who enter Israel through Ben-Gurion International Airport. The Africans pouring through the Sinai are totally different. Those Africans are unable to reason properly and can ONLY settle their disputes with machetes.

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger

Great response, YL, thanks. I know so little about the various immigrant communities in Israel.

As a cohort, the Africans are the best students.

Really? Better than Asians?

YL-

way to lay down the proverbial hammer!!
BOOM!! game,set,match.

My experiences with Bangledashis are quite different. A Bangledashi friend of mine graduated with honors in high school in physics. He was one of the most intelligent guys I knew. And the dude worked HARD. I also went to school with some African students. I remember several of them sleeping right through class. So my experiences with these disparate ethnicities are quite at variance with yours. Plus, why does China having relations with rogue states reflect badly on its culture and the character of its people? It is pursuing its own national interests (as morally problematic as they might be)by working with Iran, Sudan, Syria. South Africa is the most successfully economic country in sub-Saharan Africa. Yet its relations with Mugabe's are superb. I don't hear you shredding the South African government for its non-action regarding its dictatorial northern neighbor.

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger

P.S. Ah-pee-chorus, can you do anything other than cheer on other people's comments, dude? You wave your pom-poms praising various posters on this blog, but have yet to make any meaningful statement yourself.

The hardworking, law-abiding and family-loving natures of Chinese people (generally) really has nothing at all to do with the foreign policy of the PRC. What can be useful for China as a whole can be a better driving program for its people. I definitely get apprehensive when I am on the road with Chinese drivers!

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger

Jeff: In my school, in my experience, the most common Asian nationality is Bangladeshi. Some are great students, but as a cohort they don't fulfill their potential because they're lazy. Maybe their culture doesn't value education as much as Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Korean, Japanese and Vietnamese cultures do. They are usually nice people, though. The few East Asians I've had have been good, but they are a tiny minority in my school, so statistically speaking Asians as a whole are weaker than you would expect there.

My generalization about Africans refers to those who have some memory of their homelands, or very close ties to their families. That seems to be most of them, in my school. Thoroughly Americanized Africans are not as studious or respectful.

African Americans, Carribeans, and Latinos round out the school population. Those from stable families and are church or mosque goers tend to be successful. Those from chaotic homes, with no working phone number and everyone having a different last name are problematic academically and behaviorally. This should be no surprise. (Sometimes good kids fall under the influence of bad ones, too, like Gresham's Law).

This is ancedotal evidence from over 10 years of teaching; it is subjective not scientific.

SA: I take back the bad things I said about you. We are actually not that far apart. Bad elements need to be sent home, and even some good people who broke the immigration laws will have to go, too. But if it was Mexicans, Ukrainians, or Laplanders, I would say the same thing.

Hello Yochanan,

I need to take back the nasty things I said about you. I was actually acting like a douchebag myself. I don't blame you for getting upset at Alan. He clearly was trying to provoke you, and I understand why you got angry with him. I also agree and concur with a lot of your statements and comments as well. You even got me changing some of my opinions on immigration as well. Good luck with your teaching gig. You sound like you are molding some potentially world-class students and America needs them more than ever now.

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger


P.S. Ah-pee-chorus, can you do anything other than cheer on other people's comments, dude? You wave your pom-poms praising various posters on this blog, but have yet to make any meaningful statement yourself.

Posted by: Southern Avenger

you must be new here. and i know that not only because i dont recall seeing your alias before. if you had been reading this blog for long you would know how ironic your accusation is. ive been called many names and been insulted here many times. but nobody has ever accused me of being a mere cheerleader afraid or unable to take a stand or 'voice' my opinion. in fact, i stated my stance earlier ...
Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | June 12, 2012 at 08:57 AM

since this particular interchange degenerated into a name-calling and personal exchange i refrained from commenting and instead showed my support for YL and his position. this obviously upset you, which was part of my goal. thanks for providing me this extra bit of satisfaction.
if you stick around FM for a while, im sure we'll butt heads quite a bit and i look forward to mopping the floor with you and your ignorant views. cheers.

SA: I am a work in progress, as are we all. Put your helmet on when you log on to FM. It's full contact here!

BTW, I agree with you about South Africa's cozy relationship with Mugabe. It's disgusting. I don't like black racists, either.

As I've said, there are some bad African students and some good Bangladeshi students. All generalizations are ultimately wrong, including this one.

I don't judge students based on their home country's regime. I have even had good relationships with Arab students, including Palestinians. I just judge them as individuals, and avoid talking about the Middle East (which I can do as an English teacher). I make no attempt to hide that I'm Jewish. My mention of the regimes was just to emphasize the absurdity of racism.

Yochanan,

I'm worried about you dude! It sounds like you're kind of in a Blackboard Jungle/To Sir, with Love/Dangerous Minds situation. Rowdy students dealing with an idealistic teacher in an inner city school. Things could get nasty.

Yeah, I can definitely improve in many areas of my life, no doubt about it. I love football, so I totally related to your full contact analogy. I actually have a lot of sympathy for Palestinians/Arabs. Same thing with Israelis. It's a bad situation over there in Middle East. But I think the English language (which you are teaching) is such a beautiful medium of expression, that it definitely can help bring people together.

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger

ah-pee-chorus,

I am new here so I was not aware of your previous reputation and posts. I appreciate the welcome, but would you cut it out with your arrogant comments, son? You would never be able to "wipe the floor" with me both figuratively speaking and in actual fact. I understand, respect and dislike your views, but what is truly objectionable is how you worship at the temple of your own narcissism by praising your own alleged debating prowess without any basis in reality.

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger

SA: Thanks for your best wishes. My school is not so bad, and it isn't dangerous. The hardest part is dealing with the bureaucracy. I was in a real gang school once, when I first started teaching. That wasn't fun.

I can imagine! I was lucky to avoid gang schools when I was growing up, but it is hard for me to fathom schools in which students actually openly threaten their teachers with rape and other forms of violence and where a good portion of the class has had run-ins with the law. How did you get out of such a dangerous situation? It must have been awful to leave some of those students who genuinely were interested in learning behind in those hellholes.

Best wishes,

Southern Avenger

They should deport the Ashkenazim next. Leave any Jew who wants to live in Palestine in peace like they did for hundreds of years.

"Only Israel cannot police its own borders" Lol Israel has no set borders. It is inherently expansionist. I defy you to show me proof that the State of Israel has defined borders, you will not be able to because it doesn't .

The 1948 armistice lines are internationally recognized as Israel's borders. Territory gained in 1967 was acquired during a preemptive strike. It is debatable, but some scholars believe that it is legal to annex territory gain in a defensive war (and a preemptive strike is defensive; there is no obligation to wait to be slaughtered).

Your comments on Ashkenazim, who are genetically related to both Sephardim and Palestinians, is pure racism. It is you who do not want to live in peace; Ashkenazim are actually more likely to be liberal and favor a 2 state solution.

An expansionist state would not have given back the Sinai, evacuated Gaza, and attempted a withdrawal from most of the "West Bank."

Demize is a brain-dead fuckwit troll, just as bad as the African bashers.

So another words dipshit, you cant, just as I said. Now go fuck yourself, Ashkenazim have ZERO genetic relation to Semitic peoples, read Shlomo Sands and get back to me . As far as European Jews wanting to be Liberal, I see years of labor govts really bleeding red for justice,aka just as bad as the hardliners with less Jabotinsky rhetoric. Wiyhdrawal from the WB? settlement construction has grown exponentially, withdrawal from Gaza? so now its a giant concentration camp that they can bomb everytime someone gets a hemorroid. Same shit as here, they all suck.

Now go fuck yourself, Ashkenazim have ZERO genetic relation to Semitic peoples, read Shlomo Sands and get back to me .

Genetic testing has demonstrated repeatedly that Jews have genetic markers indicative of a Middle Eastern origin:

The DNA of Abraham’s Children

This is only one example. Testing is done all the time now in the process of genealogical research. Jews are shown consistently to be of Semitic origin.

Jeff you say "Jews" but you don't qualify it. If you mean Mizrahim, and or Sephardim or Falashim than you're probably right, but that's beside the point. If you say you're a Jew you're a Jew, for Orthodox if you follow Torah and keep Kosher, you're a Jew. This blood quotient stuff gets dangerously close to blood and soil nationalism, Your "ethnicity" originated in my apartment 2000 years ago, it can be proven indisputably, that don't make it right if you kick me out and allow me to live in the attic, and my brother in the basement with a checkpoint in the middle. G-d as real-estate agent style.. Not my cup of tea. Anyway I'm not a troll, and I'm just trying to point to the mote before the speck.

I have no idea of what it is you're trying to say.

You said, "Ashkenazim have ZERO genetic relation to Semitic peoples", and I'm offering you evidence to the contrary. Jews worldwide, of various backgrounds, have genetic markers that go back to the Middle East, markers they share with other Semitic peoples.

What I'm saying is this study is neither conclusive nor indisputable, and in regards to Zionism is irrelevant.

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