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June 20, 2012

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danny

At this point there should be police cameras in all major cities. I can't imagine that this crime was not captured on either police video or that of a private building owner.

Thugs should be identified and brought to justice.

jancsibacsi

The mindless bozos are at it again,i hope someone stops them if they dont they will get more and more brazen,no other country tolerates such insane behaviour.

Riva

Predictably for police in Beit Shemesh, no suspects have been identified.

I doubt the perpetrators hung around for the police to show up so why the surprise that no one was arrested?

Here in New York some fiend has been shooting out car windows in Williamsburg and the police have no suspects.

seymour

At this point there should be police cameras in all major cities. I can't imagine that this crime was not captured on either police video or that of a private building owner.

Thugs should be identified and brought to justice.

Posted by: danny | June 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM

Danny that will not help since they do the police and the mayor simply do not want to deal with it

the mayor admitted that

The city's haredi mayor urged the Orthodox school to relocate away from the edge of a haredi neighborhood. Otherwise, he claimed, the little Orthodox children would continue to be in danger, and there was nothing the mayor could do, he claimed, to protect them.

seymour

Here in New York some fiend has been shooting out car windows in Williamsburg and the police have no suspects.

Posted by: Riva | June 20, 2012 at 12:29 PM

big difference here they said it was a police matter and the mayor said they will asct

in beit shemesh the police said it is not a police matter and the mayor said he can do nothing

anyway what was your point

Alter Kocker

These assholes are playing with fire. One day they are going to pick on the wrong woman. There are many such women in Israel, ie. ex-IDF with martial arts training. What happens when one of these thugs are handed their ass in front of all the other little sissy-boys in their smelly black Polish robes and dirty black hats.

They won't be screaming "Whore & Shiksa" very long when their larnyx is ripped out.

norm

I think we need an "Everyone Must Get Stoned Day" in Beit Shemesh. A Mission to Israel with a large crowd goes to BS react according to the Torah-A stone for a stone?

Who's up for it!

Bob Guthrie

A woman allegedly deemed by haredim to be immodestly dressed was attacked by haredim in Beit Shemesh today. They hurled stones at her car, shattering one of its windows

*A US black teenager throws a stone (one) at a Satmar bus in Spring Valley, breaking a window, injuring one, and NY GOP's "Jewish Liaison" Yossi Gestetner calls it a "Hate Crime".

*A throng of grown Haredim men throw multiple stones (plural) at a Jewish woman's car, breaking a window, Chairman of the Likud Party and Prime Minister of Israel Benjamin Netanyahu calls it a...

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Bob Guthrie

The woman was driving her car when attacked by these Extremist Haredim because they thought she was "immodestly dressed". How they "figured" she was "immodestly dressed" when sitting down in her car, with only the upper garments showing?.

Or is it just a conjecture, based on past behavior patterns and "reasoning" by these same chaps, that any woman without a shawl, driving alone in a car is a secular/orthodox woman disposed to be free thinking on her choice of wardrobe? (Extremist Haredim translation: "a immodestly dressed shiksa").

Freind of a victim

Shmarya..............I love it....when its got anything to do with Hynes and the pedophiles,you believe a word he or the media says,you need truckloads of proof.but when it comes to a woman who CLAIMS that a chareidi threw a stone at her,thats enough proof for you.
What a double standard!!!!

Bob Guthrie

On prior attacks on Orthodox school children:

"The city's (of Beit Shemesh) haredi mayor urged the Orthodox school to relocate away from the edge of a haredi neighborhood. Otherwise, he claimed, the little Orthodox children would continue to be in danger, and there was nothing the mayor could do, he claimed, to protect them"

You opportunistic, cowardly Extremist Religious puke.

"Haredim reportedly wanted (and still want) to take over that school building and use it for their own purposes, and the attacks on the little children were in part meant to facilitate that"

Bodily harm on fellow Jews for material gain. How they justify this troglodyte insanity?.

"One of the haredi men allegedly responsible for the attacks on the children told an Israeli TV news reporter on camera that there was nothing wrong with harassing and attacking the little girls and women. He and his friends were just standing up for the Torah, the man claimed".

*The "Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición" wanted the Jews to convert (normally), or go somewhere else.

*The "Nationalsozialismus" wanted Jews to also go somewhere else ("The Madagascar Plan"). Eventually they just wanted them dead.

I guess that the Extremist Haredim reason for non-Haredim Jews to go somewhere else, or suffer bodily arm, because they were just standing up for the Torah, is a good as any "reason" as the Inquisition or the Nazi party's ones. =/

Bob Guthrie

Posted by: Freind of a victim
but when it comes to a woman who CLAIMS that a chareidi threw a stone at her,thats enough proof for you.

Hey, Fr(ie)nd. Did you read the YNet article about the incident?. Of course not, because have you done so, you could have seen the large photo of her vehicle with the LARGE hole in her blowout rear window, you Putz!.

"Shmarya..............", oh, good, you must be the dayshift Mindless Extremist Haredim automata ("Go pester Shmarya!. He is making us look bad again" "Yes Rebbe!").

SkepticalYid

Posted by: Freind of a victim | June 20, 2012 at 01:31 PM

Yes, her car window was smashed by imaginary stones. No question about it, it's a figment of some reporter's imagination.

jancsibacsi

Freind of a victim - I would not need any proof when a child comes and tells me that this and this did this and this i would just go over to that person ask him and if he did it, if dont like his answer i would just cut his head of slowly.

Bob Guthrie

Posted by: Alter Kocker
One day they are going to pick on the wrong woman.

An IDF female soldier on her way to her post or base, carrying her gear and her military issued M16 (http://goo.gl/CVId6).

"She has got a ponytail, that whore!. Get her!... !או, שיט, run!". http://goo.gl/CkuDe).

Maskil

Slim chance anyone could even tell what she was wearing through the widows of her car. And even if they could ... seriously, haredi men do not care if someone is not dressed immodestly. At least not any more than when any Jew violates halacha anywhere in the world, even discretely. A scorful glare is usually just a guy thinking about some local or domestic issue, and if it is directed at the "offending" woman it is usually serving the purpose of the attractive attire (that is why they show skin, isn't it, so that people will notice it?). With thier wives, however, it is a different story - a story that reads the same practically everywhere.

However, it is typical of women who suddenly feel uncomfortable in their skimpy clothes to begin to tug down on their mini-skirts and tug up on their halter-tops when in a haredi environment. This is a persecution complex and no more than that. For some it is the sudden guilty feeling of being underdressed, while others would just like to flatter themselves. While a haredi may be thinking about his destination, or even just checking her out, she will believe that all eyes are cast upon her with contempt. Bet Shemesh is a neighborhood of people with no roots and the is no older, wisened generation to teach by example. Most likely one could not see what this woman was wearing, and most certainly she was stoned by a group of wild and unruly people lacking any culture or discipline on a hot summer's day.
No one got stoned this summer because of immodest dress, she got stoned because that neighborhood is swarming with a bunch of wild animals that society forgot (or failed) to educate and discipline.

Luke

"My appointment as Director of Jewish Outreach has been a distraction for the NYGOP. As such I am resigning my duties."

Wow. I guess someone contacted the NYGOP and enlightened them. Luke

Eli, what me messiah?

"Six months ago, not long after that interview, a woman working for Israel’s national lottery was attacked by a stone throwing mob of haredim upset that she was wearing pants and other “immodest” clothing."

Yeah, whatever happened to the woman who said she was hawking mifal hapyis tickets in haredi homes in Beit Shemesh? I had a theory she was scamming them, although that wasn't the reason for (and didn't justify) the attack. Anyone know what became of that incident?

Bob Guthrie

Posted by: Luke

Uh, what?. Sorry, did I miss a post?.

A. Nuran

Let's call it what it is - religious terrorism.

And treat it just like we treat it when Muslims do it.

ah-pee-chorus


Posted by: Luke

Uh, what?. Sorry, did I miss a post?.

Posted by: Bob Guthrie |


gestetner resigned his position.


http://twitter.com/BKcolin/statuses/215515108401618945

Luke

Bob:

Yes.

Luke

ah-pee-chorus

if the police cared at all, a few undercover female officers would catch them in the act in minutes.

Devorah

Luke, our letters worked! Wish we could also remove St. Lawrence and the East Ramapo School Board.

ah-pee-chorus

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Posted by: A. Nuran | June 20, 2012 at 03:04 PM

true dat.

Luke

Ruthie: All told he owes no one but himself for being asked to step down. His rants about the admitted pedophile being innocent and his complete disregard for Mr. Rosenberg are not something anyone in the public eye would wish to be associated with. Couple that with his Nazi rants about school district residents and you have the perfect trifecta that even the Republicans could not ignore. I won't even mention his apparent tainted view of African Americans in touting "Schvartze" as acceptable conversation terminology. As I said before he does not and never will represent my Jewish values. [I just hope I didn't use too many "big" words in this response.] : ) Luke.

Bob Guthrie

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus
Gestetner resigned his position.

Hmm. Well, you don't use your NY GOP "Jewish Liaison" page as a soap box against your perceived enemies, duh,... but I see somebody has quickly filled up the pages with 45 articles since the Satmar bus incident. Really quickly.

It looks like a political blog again, all thought all the new subjects of the last 72 hours are all over the place (looks like filler material). Not TownHall, Newsmax, Redstate, or Little Green Footballs material.

Well, big whoop.

Luke

Bob:

To get back on topic with this article....

Here a writing assignment for the former NY GOP Liason. Compare the Satmar bus stoning with the Beit Shemesh car stoning. Present parallel arguments condemning both of them. Blend the conclusions and present back in this forum. Luke

A. Nuran

Gangs who use deadly weapons to attack others need to be treated like the dangerous criminals they are. If they are doing it for religious and political reasons they need to be treated like terrorists.

Arrest them and throw them in prison. If they resist shoot them down like the rabid dogs they are.

It really is that simple

Bob Guthrie

Eh, on past Haredim attacks on little school girls, Shomrei Sfarad party leader Minister Eli Yishai hints that this could be actually the work of the Sikrikim (Sicarii). Wow, an Extremist Haredim group inside another Extremist Haredim group.

Hahaha!!!. "The Sikrikim asserts that licking ice-cream cones is 'immodest'",... Yes, definitely not the original 1st Century CE Jewish Sicarii, an assassin resistance force that fought the Romans in ancient Judea.

If this is the work of the modern Sikrikim, stoning Jewish cars and running away from the police really smirches the dashing, historical legend of the stoic anti-Roman assassins of yore:

"We fought the Roman Empire with a stealth army of silent killers".
"We spit on little Jewish girls".
"You what?".

^.^

David

They need to get police to start working undercover wearing vintage Polish Goyishe clothes and catch some of these offenders.

Also, there should be police walking on the beat in this area.

In fairness to the police not having any suspects, how could they? They all look the same, none of them will inform on each other and more than likely they don't speak Ivrit, just Yiddish.

zionist goy

Why can't they just declare a special standard of modesty to be strictly enforced and honored within the boundaries of the Holy City and allow the seculars to set thier own standards elsewhere, with rigid penalties inflicted on the haredi for any kind of harassment. Jerusalem should always have special status, exempted from gay parades, bikinis, etc. Is this too much to ask? There are western tourists who would very much like to see the Holy City set apart.

Bob Guthrie

Posted by: zionist goy
Why can't they just declare a special standard of modesty to be strictly enforced and honored within the boundaries of the Holy City and allow the seculars to set thier own standards elsewhere.

Is this too much to ask?

Yes, yes it is. The state of Israel is a Democratic Republic with universal suffrage, with full human rights accorded to all theirs citizens,...

Which includes Jewish Woman. Secular, Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox Women in Israel have been guaranteed gender equality since the establishment of the state in 1948, with full, voluntary choice on personal matters, not restricted by state, law, or religion,...

...Which it can translate to the just simple desire to wish to dress as they see fit, in any manner, with any combination of garments.

Modesty be damn. It's not a law, a passage in the Torah, and Lev Tahor is not the ruling body of Israel.

You can suggest, but you can't demand modesty in Judea.

A. Nuran

Zionist Goy, then perhaps Charedim should be required to dress normally, drive on Shabbos, eat treif, have sex outside of marriage and all those other things outside of their ghetto on pain of death at the hands of lynch mobs.

Don't like that idea? Then stop talking nonsense.

Jeff

Zionist goy, are you an evangelical?

GN

He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

Jake

This is how you deal with a crowd of people attacking your car with objects that can be deadly weapons.

Situational awareness. Quickly look around for immovable objects.
Calculate the best direction to take evasive action.
If going directly forwards or backwards doesn't work lock your steering wheel to either the right or left and step on the gas.then reasses which direction to go.

Do not Not be concerned with the damage your car may do to anyone.

When you are safe your lawyer will prove that you responded to deadly force with a legitimate escalation of deadly force.

Been there done it. Thankfully didn't need any lawyers.
Always treAt your vehicle as a possible deadly weapon.

zionist goy

My "suggestion" was put forth strictly for Jerusalem. I'm not trying by any means to be a defender of Hasidim. I realize that Israel is a democratic republic with """""" I find it sad that i have to even suggest an exclusionary status be given Jerusalem. Better there would be a collective agreement, a collective conscious that some activities, dress, demonstrations were never permitted. This lack of preferential treatment will be one reason Obama and others will succeed at dividing the city.

ah-pee-chorus

My "suggestion" was put forth strictly for Jerusalem

oh...so you only want to restrict free peoples rights in a free country to walk the public streets whether they be secular, gay, female etc. in one city? and you would like the laws for dress and conduct within that city to be decided by a bunch of unelected delusional terrorists?
by people that have no regard for the laws of their country? who instead look to their current crop of rabbis to decipher a 3000 year old book which is misogynistic and homophobic and approves of slavery?
is that all youre asking for?
and this should apply to the majority of the residents of jerusalem as well , of course, even though theyre not charedi.
let me guess....is it because its obvious what god really wants as you and your fellow fundies will be glad to tell us?

Bob Guthrie

Posted by: zionist goy
My "suggestion" was put forth strictly for Jerusalem.

Jerusalem is not to be set down to rules either. She is no a bargaining chip, a toy to "agree" what to with her, a test subject to try any suggested... "restrictions".

Whatever happens to her is already determined by G-d, not by some people’s desires or "suggestions", be it moral laws, politics, or religion.

She is not bound by anybody. She is Jerusalem. She has survived for 5000 years, despited the meddling of men.

Or have you forgotten: "and the Jerusalem above is the free-Woman, which is Mother of us all"?.

Trying to set rules what should or should not happen to her or the fate/rights of the people within (including her Female children, secular or religious) is quite... arrogant.

ah-pee-chorus

zionist goy -

are you aware that if the charedim had their choice neither you nor any other goy would be allowed anywhere near "their" neighborhood? why are all charedim and christian fundies so damn foolish?

Jeff

why are all charedim and christian fundies so damn foolish?

I'm convinced it's genetic.

Yochanan Lavie

In Middle English, "fundament" meant anus.

seymour

In fairness to the police not having any suspects, how could they? They all look the same, none of them will inform on each other and more than likely they don't speak Ivrit, just Yiddish.

Posted by: David | June 20, 2012 at 05:04 PM

maybe you forgot the suggestion, undercover cops no need for community help.

why have they not done that?

Jeff

In Middle English, "fundament" meant anus.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | June 21, 2012 at 07:48 AM

HA! There you go! What more need be said?

Yissy-CA

Zionist Goy,
You have no idea who you are advocating for. It's actually funny to us that your name contains the two things these stone throwing hereidim hate the most: zionism and gentiles.

Maskil

'cause the cops don't speak yiddish, and the nuances of dress, body language, spelling (and misspelling, especially in Hebrew), and dialect cannot be learned later in life. this was discovered in the 50s by the israeli law enforcement establishment and the reality hasn't changed.

Channah

And we are supposed to be a light to the nations ? Exactly what kind of example are we supposed to be setting here... that the way to bring the next messiah, or to live a perfect Godly life is to wear clothing that went out of fashion in eastern europe at least 100 years ago, and stone a WOMEN for having the audacity to wear trousers.. it makes me shudder. These people are little better than the religious nuts in saudi who force women to wear black abayas, cover their hair and dont let them drive... personally im all for freedom, if these people want to be the amish of the middle east and live half way back in the dark ages - that should be their choice.. but to treat another jew, hell to treat another WOMEN like this and to try and enforce their standards on others is dispicable.. where do they even get that its ok to behave like this ? the taliban ? change the clothing and this could easily have been saudi or afghanistan - and even worse the Israeli authorities do nothing about it...its time the religious nut case grip on israel and its society was loosened...

Ger

So the more turned on they get the more stones they throw?

zionist goy

ah-pee-chorus, make your speculations as to whether i'm a "fundie" or not, you would be incorrect! I am more along the lines of the Noachide tradition, but most importantly, an Israeli, jewish culture watcher who believes passionately in the existence of Israel who takes a little bit of Torah, a little bit of Talmud(untaught, obviously) and has a stream of consciousness with it. I watched Schneerson for years and was both fascinated and amused at his "dollar days" (goys not excluded). Goys, gentiles will NEVER be excluded from Yerushaliym, nor should they ever be. Though not a "fundie" as so many rushed to judgement, i happily confess to being even worse than that; a political conservative and admirer of Jewish pundits on the "right" side of the aisle.

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