Rabbi Behind Anti-Internet Rally Savagely Beat Children

Rabbi Nechemia Gottlieb, the rabbi tasked by the haredi world's leading rabbis with creating and managing the anti-Internet asifa, rally, scheduled to be held at CitiField later this month, allegedly savagely beat young students in the yeshiva he ran in Lakewood and encouraged other teachers to do the same.

Rabbi Nechemia Gottlieb

Originally published at 11:09 PM CDT 5-8-2012

This private Facebook post by a younger very well placed haredi figure confirms what I was told earlier this week by a source:

Update 12:43 am CDT 5-9-2012 – a former student of Gottlieb's writes:

…I went to the school and experienced first-hand the viciousness of this Nazi. This is besides for the fact that he knowingly lied to the parents and gedolim who inquired about it; but that's not the issue. He used to beat me and the other kids all the time. I'm talking about punching, slapping, kicking, throwing us on the floor and stepping on us. I was all of eight years old at the time.…

Comments

[How YOU doin]

Its true... hes a first class piece of sh*t...... If you beat kids, you should be beaten!!. The only Asifa he should run is when all his ex talmidim get him in a room and give him such a beating that even his dentist wont be able to identify him!
They should knock all his teeth out except one....They should leave it for a Root Canal!!

[Korbendallas72]

These #asifa guys can't even beat children correctly, can they...

[Anonymous]

I can vouch for this 100%. I went to the school for five years, where I was routinely beat - once to the point of needing hospitalization. Nechemia Gottlieb should stand trial and go to prison for his sick actions, but instead the frum community is appointing him to be the leader of the "event of the year". How heartwarming.

[Shalom]

I also got beaten he is one retared guy he should be put in to jail him and leib Kline

[Abracadabra]

The following is all tongue-in-cheek:

He must have been beating kids due to the terrible influences of the internet.

So, you see, THIS is why the internet is so bad!

The Gedolim know best what is good for Klal Yisrael. And they would never listen to loshon hara about a heilige Yid. What difference does it make if he beat children for a few years? He surely did teshuva. And anyway, are you going to deny him a parnasa just because he once made a mistake? I mean, it's not like he was mechalel Shabbos or ate treif or wore jeans, a green tee shirt and a baseball cap or anything like that!

Okay, so, a few kids left the fold due to his actions. I'm sure there are others in whom he instilled the fear of Heaven and true Yiras Shomayim and set straight so that they can now lead a life of Torah and Yiras Shomayim. And what could be more important?!

Anyway, beating children is not so terrible because it is not an Issur D'oraysa. But the internet - now THAT is dangerous to Klal Yisrael!

[Anon]

I wonder if this is related: http://lakewoodsvoice.com/local-news/local-cheder-allegations-update

[soso]

I think it is a good idea to bring as many victims as possible to the assifa and then ask questions.

[A Yid]

Shmarya,
This past week Israel has seen terrible tragedies, secular teens murdering a man for asking them to quiet down, killing a classmate for insults, and more.
Why don't you post anything about these cases or try to fix them up, like you try to do with Charedim and MO's?
The PM Netanyahu dedicated a whole speech on this, how the secular schools don't preach against violence.
Maybe expand you site to include them as well?

[b'ilum shem]

I wouldn’t normally do this but I know Gottlieb and I think he is an exceptionally horrible person which warrants my gossip. Supposedly the internet asifah took form when Gottlieb approached R’ Solomon and proposed some type of gathering about pitfalls of the internet that everyone should attend. Solomon showed enthusiasm about the idea and expressed his interest. But Gottlieb did not divulge to him exactly he had in mind. Without telling him, Gottlieb rounded up sponsors and signed a contract for the stadium. He then returned to Solomon for an endorsement for his event. Solomon was overwhelmed by the size, but gave his endorsement none the less because of the huge sums of money that were already on the line. How much money will the event cost? Gottlieb himself said that with all the expenses included it will likely exceed 4 million dollars. There are already big sponsors, and it is rumored that B&H donated 1 million dollars. But the question is what Gottlieb’s cut on this is? Gottlieb has been out of a job since he was chucked from the school he opened. Being out of a job, Gottlieb has spent the past few years making his rounds to the ‘gedolim’, professing to be a chinuch expert and offering his ‘sound’ advice for free. Gottlieb is also a part owner in an internet filtering company. So besides organization fees associated with this big event he will be cashing in of the sales he will be making in the 2 hour expo that will precede the event. This is not the first time he has promoted his own product under the guise of religiousness; he is also the director of the Technology Awareness Group. Supposedly at this event they will be marketing new internet filters for mobile devices. But I highly doubt that he had one on his blackberry I saw him using. The rumor going around is that Gottlieb was forced to step down from heading the event because many rabbis were not willing to join an event headed by him. One famous rabbi in Monsey upon hearing about the asifah and Gottlieb remarked ‘shem reshaim yirkav’ and that he was against attending the event. And he isn’t the only one; there are many rabbonim and roshei yeshivohs which are against the asifah which has created a schism in the chareidi world. The ‘asifah of klal yisroel’ no longer excludes just Chabad but many of the chareidi world.

[scummy]

i guess he now has a bigger reason to hate the internet. scumbag

[Mike]

Really itching to attend that counter-protest now... I'm not even that surprised by this. All these rabbis believe it's ok to abuse children. Denying them access to information that give them help is abuse as well. I hope that all the Haredi children and people who suffered under these tyrants somehow find access to the internet and learn about a whole new world these "heilige gedolim" have kept from them.

[ruthie]

i don't understand why gottlieb's presence is still being acknowledged!!

[bais hatorah parent]

I am a parent of children that attended Bais Hatorah. My children graduated the school and did fantastic. Most children did. Rabbi gottleib is a mechanech par excellance. Many other menahlim turn to him when baffled about how to deal with a situation. Even now, as my children graduated, I still talk with him about chinuch. This post is one big lie by a few disgruntled students. Unfortunately, Rabbi Gottlieb's philosophy backfired on him. He accepted any child that wanted to come to his school. He gave every child a chance. He took children from broken homes/families, children with emotional issues and those who failed in other schools. He is a huge talmid chochom. He has a large family and his children are great. I don't believe one word of this. There was an issue with a rebbe or two and they were dismissed. Rabbi Gottlieb left the school on his own. There was a conflict between him and Rabbi Heineman over the way funds should be spent. He almost took over the finances but in the last minute, some parents told Rabbi Heineman that they will back him if he takes over the finances. That turned out to be a disaster. Rabbi Heineman left and eventually, Rabbi Kanarek took over the school and it is now flourishing. I can vouch for Rabbi Gottlieb. He is a GREAT person. He is a real yirei shomayim and it really bothered him that so many kids were failing due to the pitfalls of the internet. He organized parents and mechanchem and this is how the asifa came to be. He has bought himself a special place in gan eden.

[Jeff]

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 05:07 AM

It never fails. Never. Whenever one of these characters is exposed, the sycophants come crawling out of the woodwork to defend them. It's always the same rhetoric, too: the complainers are disgruntled, they have a history of mental illness, they're just giving in to their yetzer hara, etc. The only thing missing from this rant is the threat of gehinnom. What happened, you got busy and forgot?

You have no idea of what a stereotype you are. You've been raised in such a way that you're incapable of seeing it.

[avraham]

"I don't believe one word of this. There was an issue with a rebbe or two and they were dismissed."

It never fails: denial followed by the "few bad apples" theory.

When is the haredi world going to wake up and realize this is the Priest sex abuse scandal in their own backyard.

make a fence for torah and clean up your own house first. The internet will wait.

[Abracadabra]

For anyone reading this who was abused by this Rav - call a lawyer and find out what the statute of limitations is for bringing him to court. What was done to you was illegal. You did not deserve to be physically beaten up EVEN IF you were chutzpadik, didn't do your homework, or whatever other things you did. You were wronged. And you can do something about it.

The other thing you can do is start a blog or spread the word by mouth to other kids who were beaten up by him, and a whole bunch of you together can bring a class action suit against him.

Another thing you can do is get a group of you together, and ALL TOGETHER bring him to Beis Din. There are just so many lies he can get away with. When facing a WHOLE GROUP of his past talmidim who saw the same thing, it will be much harder for it to be swept under the carpet and ignored.

NOW WE KNOW WHY THIS CREEP IS SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE INTERNET - HE HAS SO MUCH TO HIDE!! The last thing this guy wants is for a bunch of his previous talmidim to put up a blog about how abused they were by him. He's terrified of that, coward that he is.

Those of you who are now adults and are just as big as he is, can confront him as a group, and ask him if mr. tough rebbi beating up children is now ready to explain himself. You'll see the man pish in his pants from fear of a whole bunch of you, because you are now big and strong, and you're even stronger now than this coward because you're younger. You'll see how pathetic he is, and that will be healing for you in some way - to see this man shake and pish in in his pants. Oh, and don't forget tape record every word he says. One day down the road you might want to do something with it.

[bais hatorah parent]

To Jeff,

Why do you believe some drugged up kids over a parent that had kids in the school?

[bais hatorah parent]

To abracadabra,

You just don't know. Rabbi Gottlieb is a sweetheart. Its terrible to hear a yod talking like this.

[Abracadabra]

How was Chabad excluded from this "Asifa"?

[Steven]

TO THOSE BEATEN BY THIS GUY - why don't you go to the police?

[Steven]

I mean now, not then.

[Abracadabra]

bais hatorah parent -

I don't know what your relationship is with this man, but I do know that where there is smoke, there is usually fire. The reason I would believe that these accusations are true is because the Yeshivish world has a very long history of covering up EVERY instance of child abuse which they were able to. There was not ONE instance where the Yeshivish rabbanim or gedolim have taken action with regard to protecting children from sexual or physical abusers. EVERY instance is swept under the run, denied, and covered up.

Even if this man "only" beat up ONE kid - that is one too many and he needs to be held accountable for his actions. If he did teshuva, he should apologize, and make amends with those he hurt. Clearly, he did not.

Now that this is public, I expect that many more kids will be coming forward and saying "Me too, I was also beat up by him."

As for your insisting that he is a wonderful person - he may be a very nice person to you - but he was an evil monster to some kids if he indeed beat them up as is being claimed.

Mafia bosses with blood on their hands give lots of charity to the poor, help their elderly neighbors cross the street, help old ladies carry their packages, are very religious and devout, and seem like wonderful, generous, kind people. They just happen to occassionally be ordering the murder of their competitors and committing other crimes. But other than that - they're geniunely good fellas!

[Former "Student"]

To Bais Hatorah Parent (if you are real): You are clearly either delusional, extremely gullible, or exceptionally stupid. These claims are really, really easy to verify. Speak to ANY student who went to Bais Hatorah - especially in thr earlier years - and they'll tell you the exact same thing.
Oh and no - it wasn't just "a few bad apples". Besides for Gotlieb himself beating the students, don't forget Leib Klein (also a rebbi in Kol Torah), Rabbi Rosengarten (can't remember his first name), Zev Kleinbard, and a bunch more. Oh, and ... really? They were thrown out?! No. That's just an outright lie. Klein and Kleinbard were there to the bitter end. The only reason Rosengarten was kicked out (back in 2001) was because he made the mistake of hitting David Wax's kid, and Wax was a big supporter of the school. He actually had moved from NY just to send his kids there (who he later pulled from the school, months after being honored by the dinner). So gottlieb's had to take Wax's sidec because money always wins, obviously. Interestingly, Wax (and his wife Judy) are now awaiting trial on kidnapping charges in that divorce case which broke about a year ago, when they beat a guy from NY in order to force him to give a get.
How do I know all these facts? Simple. I was beaten by Nechemia Gottlieb, Der Führer. It sickens me to hear people like you say things like this. When I saw his picture on this page I literally started crying; I had been shutting this out for so many years. Please go die in a whole, you are supporting and believing in a sick, twisted individual who does not deserve to walk the Earth free.
Please don't argue: I was there; you were not.

[bais hatorah parent]

To abracadabra,

In today's day and age it is very easy to slander and kill someone on the internet. It is easy to hide behind a post name and people have nothing to fear. I can just tell you once again, that Reb Nechemia is a fantastic mechanech. The many children that graduated Bais Hatorah have gone on to the best high schools, are married and learning in kollel or gainfully employed. He had a very specific way of learning which he imported from Israel and for most children it was very successful. His one mistake was that he felt that all children can be successful with this derech and this wasn't true. Some kids weren't matzliach and they fell through the cracks

[Jeff]

To Jeff,

Why do you believe some drugged up kids over a parent that had kids in the school?

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 05:38 AM

Why don't you believe the testimonies of students who went there? There are two right here in this comment thread.

It's always the same in your world. Have you EVER known of an incident in which the complainer wasn't labeled a "troublemaker", a "drugged up kid", or, in the case of a girl, a "curveh"? Has there ever been an incident in which the rabbis involved have stated, publicly, "We made a mistake. We weren't paying attention, and children got hurt."? EVER? Have you ever heard of an incident like this in which you didn't automatically assume that the rabbi or teacher was blameless, and that the kid was the problem?

You've been taught to have absolute faith in these people, and to believe whatever they tell you.

[Abracadabra]

Former "Student" -

I'm so sorry for what you experienced at the hands of this monster!!

Know that there ARE plenty of us who believe you.

Have you contacted any lawyers or tried to gather a group together of those of you who were hurt and all together go to a lawyer to see what you can do?

You deserve to have your day in court. And the monster and child-beating coward who hurt you deserves to have his day in court too and face the shame for what he did.

[Jake]

Go to the money.
Bombard B&H Photo.
E-mail, telephone calls , faxes asking they withdraw support.

[CallaCop]

I don't get it. People complain here about being abused and not to the police? I thought the philosophy here is to go to the police to report abuse. Something is not kosher here. It is so easy to place an anonymous post here claiming that they were abused by him. You can't play such a shtick when you go to the police.

[Jeff]

When I saw his picture on this page I literally started crying; I had been shutting this out for so many years.

Posted by: Former "Student" | May 09, 2012 at 06:05 AM

I'm so sorry - and I second Abracadabra's suggestion. Get together with some of his other victims and get and a lawyer. (Although if you still live in that community, I can understand that the repercussions would prevent you from doing so.)

[bais hatorah parent]

To student,

I am sorry that you had a bad experience. My kids and hundreds of other's were very successful. Don't blame your issues on a specific person. I can guarantee you that you had behavirol/emotional issues and probably a learning disability. Rabbi Gottlieb was the only one that agreed to take you in. Be thankful. As far as Rabbi Rosengarten, he was only a Rebbe for a year or two and I was always wondering why he left so abruptly. He was a young rebbe and probably didn't have the proper training to be a Rebbe. Since then, I hear that he is a substitute rebbe in many yeshivos and is very successful. Not fair to blame someone for giving a kid a smack when he was young and dumb. I am sure that he regrets doing this and made ammends. Just to show you, Rabbi Rosengarten was dismissed BY Rabbi Gottlieb.

[Jeff]

I thought the philosophy here is to go to the police to report abuse. Something is not kosher here. It is so easy to place an anonymous post here claiming that they were abused by him.

There may be statues of limitations involved. You can't just walk into a police station and lodge a complaint that someone assaulted you twenty years ago. You can hire a lawyer, but the pressure to conform in the Haredi world, and the consequences for stepping out of line are so great that many people are too frightened.

[Former "Student"]

The halachic ramifications of going to the police are very complicated. Additionally, the fact is that there will always be a huge camp of people against any student coming out, and I can't have that on my name. I will be in shidduchim soon.
My point is not to get Gottlieb jailed; it's just to tell the world what so many people already know: that he's a complete scumbag. So yes, I'm "hiding" behind anonymity.
In the end, I take solace in the fact that the mills of the gods grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly small. He'll get his payback in the next world; I'm not worried.

[bais hatorah parent]

To student,

It is very easy to hide behind your post name. Let's see you go to the police. You would not be able to substantiate your claims as there are hundreds if not thousands of kids that were successful and will come stand up for him.

[seymour]

this is the real reason the gedoleim are for this event, the internet exposes them for their actions or lack of actions when such things happen.

it exposes them for not really caring about the community or children all they care about is that their little world looks untarnished to all, so they can say, just learn Torah and all will be good. we do not suffer the ills of society.

they still do not realize the infallible ones that the genie is out of the bottle and cannot be closed again

[Need2know]

Ynet has the following story today. Does anyone know if these involve haredim?

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4226695,00.html

Kiryat Malachi City officials implicated in sex scandal

Senior officials in southern city's municipality suspected of rape, extortion and bribery

Several city officials in Kiryat Malachi were arrested Wednesday in connection with an ongoing case involving rape, extortion and intimidation, bribery, fraud and breach of trust.

...

"The extent of this case is shocking," a police source said, adding that the deeper the police investigate, "They more it become apparent that many people within city hall knew what was going on."

The police have been able to ascertain that the woman was forced to have sex with her superior in various places in city hall, as well as in several other places.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Gottleib is a great guy. Then again, Hitler was nice to his dogs.

[bais hatorah parent]

To yochanan,

You are a total rasha talking like that about someone that you don't even know.

[Jeff]

Additionally, the fact is that there will always be a huge camp of people against any student coming out, and I can't have that on my name. I will be in shidduchim soon.

Yeah, there you go. I understand.

He'll get his payback in the next world; I'm not worried.

Posted by: Former "Student" | May 09, 2012 at 06:24 AM

Unfortunately, I don't share that belief.

[Former "Student"]

I's just like to point out that not once did "Bais Hatorah Parent" refute any of the claims being made; he just keeps saying that gottlieb is a great guy.
And seriously, please don't twist my words. I don't have learning disabilities. Thank god, I went on to learn in one of the most prestigious yeshivos in America. I have an IQ of 147; please don't attack my intelligence when clearly you're the one lacking here.
And I can give you a list of dozens of children who will say the same thing I've said (many of whom I spoke to over the past few days), and yes - thanks for the suggestion, parent. We actually are considering going to the police.

[Flatbush Girl]

"It is very easy to hide behind your post name."

Aren't you hiding behind your post name? Why don't you publish your real name?

[Jeff]

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 06:26 AM

You don't care how many lives are destroyed. You could be tied to a chair and forced to listen to hundreds of testimonies; your only response would be to stick your fingers in your ears and sing a niggun.

Your only goal is to protect your belief system. As long as you can have the security blanket in this life, and Gan Eden in the next - that's all you care about.

You're loathsome. You're a victim as well, but it's impossible for me to care.

[Jeff]

Go to the money.
Bombard B&H Photo.
E-mail, telephone calls , faxes asking they withdraw support.

Posted by: Jake | May 09, 2012 at 06:16 AM

Wait, I'm sorry - how is B & H Photo involved?

[bais hatorah parent]

To student,

I would love to face you in court!!!!! I do refute all that you say. If you were misbehaving and deserved a slap then it was coming to you and it probably served you well. Maybe, you are who you are because you didn't get a slap from your father when you needed it. To say that he savagely beat any child is a total lie. I would love for you to substatiate it in court. Will never happen.

[Korbendallas72]

It's always the same with Haredi collectivists. This group of troglodyte scumbags will excuse any and all actions by attacking the accuser with threats and intimidation. What these scumbag Haredi leaders are going to get drilled right into their stupid fucking heads is that they will be held accountable. With baseball bats, if necessary. Why not just camp outside Citi Field with tee ball bats and give this son of a bitch a little Texas justice? Show him how divinely protected he is.

[seymour]

Wait, I'm sorry - how is B & H Photo involved?

Posted by: Jeff | May 09, 2012 at 06:46 AM

somebody mentioned they are a big donor to this event

[ah-pee-chorus]

bais hatorah parent -

are YOU gottlieb or just one of his close relatives? a 'parent' wouldnt be so adamant in defending him against numerous accusations. they'd consider themselves lucky their kids avoided the same fate. and they would have some compassion. you do not. i smell a violent rat.

come clean....

[seymour]

Posted by: Former "Student" | May 09, 2012 at 06:24 AM

Unfortunately, I don't share that belief.

Posted by: Jeff | May 09, 2012 at 06:41 AM

true The religious leaders needed to pacify the masses who questioned, how is it that many times good people suffer and bad people live the life of Reilly. Good question so somebody came up with after life.

Interestingly, the after life is not mentioned in the Torah or tanach.

Until somebody goes public, all these accusation sadly are worthless since it cannot be verified.

sadly this is the excuse frummas use. they say this does not happen in our community, how do we know, nobody has been arrested. Well of course not, since there is a code of silence

[Jeff]

To student,

I would love to face you in court!!!!! I do refute all that you say. If you were misbehaving and deserved a slap then it was coming to you and it probably served you well. Maybe, you are who you are because you didn't get a slap from your father when you needed it. To say that he savagely beat any child is a total lie. I would love for you to substatiate it in court. Will never happen.

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 06:53 AM

You really are a despicable, utterly worthless waste of space. It's a tragedy that millions of far more worthwhile human beings died in the Shoah, yet your family survived to produce you (more evidence that a just, benevolent God does not exist). You are what my father would call a "shtick drek".

It is my fervent wish that someday you're made to suffer as these people have been made to, and that you're made to know what it is to be abandoned and alone. On that day, may you remember your words here.

[Korbendallas72]

Once it's revealed who these Haredim actually are, and who it is they're actually worshipping, there is going to be a fucking war. The day is coming, scumbags... oh yes it is.

[ah-pee-chorus]

To student,

I would love to face you in court!!!!! I do refute all that you say. If you were misbehaving and deserved a slap then it was coming to you and it probably served you well

Posted by: bais hatorah parent

"""I would love to face you in court!!!!! """'

sounds like something an ACCUSED person or a close relative or a co-actor would say......not an unaffected parent.

[Jeff]

sadly this is the excuse frummas use. they say this does not happen in our community, how do we know, nobody has been arrested. Well of course not, since there is a code of silence

Posted by: seymour | May 09, 2012 at 07:04 AM

Yeah, it's as I said yesterday - it's like the Mafia.

Wait, I'm sorry - how is B & H Photo involved?

Posted by: Jeff | May 09, 2012 at 06:46 AM

somebody mentioned they are a big donor to this event

Posted by: seymour | May 09, 2012 at 06:56 AM

Really? Damn! I was going to order a printer from them!

If true, it's more than a little ironic that a company that makes its money by selling computers and peripherals is supporting an event in which thousands of Haredim will be pressured to give it all up. They're shooting themselves in the foot.

[seymour]

Posted by: Jeff | May 09, 2012 at 07:06 AM

Jeff

wait a minute, until a student or a few students goes public we really do not know what happened or did not happen.

We all know that the frum communities always tries to hide the evil amongst them. However, that does not mean that very accusation is true.

what I do not understand why is bais hatorah parent posing anonymously, since he is just saying a person is good and so on. I think he would be proud to have his name out there if what he says is true and truly believes that the student is lying.

The student we all know why the post anonymously

[Jeff]

With baseball bats, if necessary.

Yeah, I'm beginning to think you're right. Nothing else will penetrate.

Unfortunately, KBD, I don't think "the day is coming", as you say.

[bais hatorah parent]

To ah-pee-chorus:

Yes, I am a parent and share the same feelings as most parents do. In every school there are some disgruntled students and parents. I am from the majority of the very happy parents.

[ah-pee-chorus]

To ah-pee-chorus:

Yes, I am a parent and share the same feelings as most parents do. In every school there are some disgruntled students and parents. I am from the majority of the very happy parents.

Posted by: bais hatorah parent

i dont believe you. your connection is much deeper and closer.

[Hometown Postville]

Treating his own kind like Hitler treated his ancestors.... a real piece of work. How many more women-hating, pedophilic, sadistic monsters are lurking under the cloak of religion? Kudos to Shmarya for exposing them, the first step toward breaking the cycle.

[Jeff]

wait a minute, until a student or a few students goes public we really do not know what happened or did not happen.

Experience has taught me that this is the way of things - the testimonies of those who are posting here are most likely true, contrasted with the rabid denial of this self-serving waste of a human life.

In any case, it represents the thousands of such cases that exist in their world, and have existed for decades, that have gone unreported. This is the way they do business - deny, deny, deny and vilify the accusers, ruin their lives. That will teach them Yiras Shamayim and Kavod HaGedoylim!

(I trust I have those terms right. My frumspeak is a little weak.)

[Jeff]

"Kavod" should be "Kibud", I think.

[peter]

Korbendallas72:"there is going to be a fucking war. The day is coming, scumbags... oh yes it is."

hey and when you're at it! go acroos the street to that catholic school where you went as a kid before they threw you out, and do the same to their teachers who beat the shit out of you after they molested you.

[seymour]

Posted by: Jeff | May 09, 2012 at 07:23 AM

I agree

but cannot be sure in every case

on the other hand FM would not post a story like this unless he is in the know. past stories he mentioned have been proven true his record is about 99% correct

[Lo K'darkah]

I agree with ah-pee. If you read carefully and dispassionately, you can see that bais hatorah parent is not a disinterested party. Might even be Gottlieb himself - and what a lovely irony that would be.

[seymour]

hey and when you're at it! go acroos the street to that catholic school where you went as a kid before they threw you out, and do the same to their teachers who beat the shit out of you after they molested you.

Posted by: peter | May 09, 2012 at 07:26 AM

maybe he went to yeshiva and just had that very same experience

[Jeff]

APC is probably right.

[Korbendallas72]

hey and when you're at it! go acroos the street to that catholic school where you went as a kid before they threw you out, and do the same to their teachers who beat the shit out of you after they molested you.
Posted by: peter | May 09, 2012 at 07:26 AM

...and it's one! two! three strikes you're out at the old... ball... GAAAME!

[Rav M Solomon]

These boys are all lying they all had tv's in their homes and thats why they were beaten. Rabbi Gottlieb is a very holy man. He told me himself.

[Korbendallas72]

Jeff - A little faith goes a long way.

[Dovid Teitelbaum]

thejnet.com just blocked access to my site. That proves they are in cahoots with Gotlieb!!!!!
http://dteitelbaum.blogspot.com/2012/04/rabbi-nechemiah-gottlieb-director-ichud.html

[ah-pee-chorus]

How was Chabad excluded from this "Asifa"?

Posted by: Abracadabra |

the organizers were very unaccommodating.

they refused to have the event at the ohel.
they refused to allow the rebbe to speak.
they refused to pay to have the ohel transported to the asifa and to give it a spot on the dais.

he and his adorers were understandably outraged.

[Jeff]

They also refused to address him as "Our Rebbe, King Moshiach".

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"They also refused to address him as "Our Rebbe, King Moshiach""

Jeff | =

thats when i decided not to attend.

[Moshe in Israel]

There was a full article in this latest issue of Mishpacha Magazine (just received it this morning) about Gottlieb. It says that he is a consultant now. Is that to mean that he no longer teaches?

[Shoshi]

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 06:20 AM

I feel sick reading how you judge this former student. Even if you are a troll, it is very cruel.

[flailed]

To "Bais HaTorah parent"
Do the internet filters allow access to Failed Messiah?

[flailed]

And how are your children allowed to attend Lakewood schools? You couldn't possibly be lying to them about having a computer.

[SML]

Can anyone confirm this? I have been a considerable customer of theirs in the past though I've stopped using them out of concern over the possibility of flow of cash from them to some of the more unsavory elements supported by the Satmars. I would truly like to know what the story is regarding this particular event and their involvement in supporting it, if any. Anyone have any facts? Documentation? Sources?

[Shoshi]

I would love to face you in court!!!!!
Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 06:53 AM

A defendant has the right to "face" his accusers. . .

[SML]

Sorry - the blog software dumped my pasted-in quote from an earlier post; I am referencing B&H Photo; someone wrote earlier:

-- There are already big sponsors, and it is rumored that B&H donated 1 million dollars.

[flailed]

To student. My heart truly went out to you reading your initial post, but now I am confused. Why would a Lakewood bochur concerned about being soon to be in shidduchim use the term “halachic ramifications?” Where would he learn about “the mills of gd grinding?” And what would have caused him to have his iq tested? I’ll still take the day off to attend the court case, but am feeling skeptical.

[MoishieCohen]

To student,

I am sorry that you had a bad experience. My kids and hundreds of other's were very successful. Don't blame your issues on a specific person. I can guarantee you that you had behavirol/emotional issues and probably a learning disability. Rabbi Gottlieb was the only one that agreed to take you in. Be thankful.

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 06:20 AM

I am charedi/yeshivish.

(Nonetheless,) I am disgusted and appalled by this post. You are an absolute disgrace for lecturing someone who claims to have suffered serious abuse. Al Todin es Chavercho!

[Former "Student"]

Posted by Flailed: To student. My heart truly went out to you reading your initial post, but now I am confused. Why would a Lakewood bochur concerned about being soon to be in shidduchim use the term “halachic ramifications?” Where would he learn about “the mills of gd grinding?” And what would have caused him to have his iq tested? I’ll still take the day off to attend the court case, but am feeling skeptical.

I can't tell if this is serious or tongue-in-cheek...?

[Tam]

The bottom line is, this man needs to go to jail. Someone needs to do something about this. Particularly the victims. Go to the police. Protect yourselves and all future children

[jancsipista]

bais hatorah parent-No doubdt you are gottlieb you shamelessly in front of everyone here you dare the student and intimidate him unbeleivable the nerve you have, you are beyond the pale,to you it doesnt make a difference a few students orw ho knows how many are sacrifices for those who turned out ok you couldnt care less you are a shameless beast who has no humanity in him you live in a cult, go and wipe youre behind with youre toireh di farrikter haye.

[Victim's Dad]

To Bais HaTorah parent,
My kid was there. And it wasn't an isolated incident. He regularly beat kids and humiliated them too. He made kids clean the toilets, had a kid lay face down on the floor in front of the class, and verbally abused them for trivialities. Nechemia Gottlieb is also an extraordinary glib and devious person who could sell anyone the Brooklyn Bridge. So its no wonder that a tmimusdig person as yourself - unless you're not even real and just one of his team - is taken in by his sweet-talk. Ever wonder why he suddenly picked up from Eretz Yisroel and fled to Lakewood? Altruistic motives of starting a Zilberman-prototype school here? Hardly. Those who know, know.

[MoishieCohen]

Posted by: jancsipista | May 09, 2012 at 08:43 AM

Please, for the benefit of us all, use a spellchecker, and learn some grammar. Your posts are a pain in the neck to read.

[bais hatorah parent]

You are all just jealous of a person that has been very succesful.

[MoishieCohen]

You are all just jealous of a person that has been very succesful.

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 08:54 AM

What success?
Punch rate success?

[Bas Melech]

Why do you believe some drugged up kids over a parent that had kids in the school?

Posted by: bais hatorah parent | May 09, 2012 at 05:38 AM

Dissenters are always drugged, disgruntled, or mentally imbalanced.

The faulty logic in your statement is that "drugged up kids" always lie, and that parents always tell the truth.

Abusers target those whom are less likely too be believed.

Nechemiah has brought much shame to his family.

[flailed]

To student. I was serious, but if you tell me to put my tongue in my cheek I will. zg

[Lubavitchers are Christians]

I don't know the details, but someone I know went to that school, and was beaten. His father told me that the principal is a Nazi. I don't know any other details. The kid is OTD, but he had other issues as well in the family.

[jancsipista]

MoishieCohen-Out of blue you appear just to critisize my spelling,well that shows who you are , no one else critisizes me youre a moron.

[yechi ben levitas]

you sound like a crazed flock of magpies screaming louder and louder and to what purpose if not to get,in the end, if possible , a form of justice.Of course you could send out the shomrim to slap up this gottlieb you are on about instead of going to the authorities

[Former "Student"]

To Flailed: First of all, I'm not a "Lakewood bachur". I've been working for a number of years. And again: explain why someone who was abused cannot possibly be intelligent/educated?

[MoishieCohen]

MoishieCohen-Out of blue you appear just to critisize my spelling,well that shows who you are , no one else critisizes me youre a moron.

Posted by: jancsipista | May 09, 2012 at 09:10 AM

Hardly out of the blue. Difficult to corroborate, but I'd venture that I've posted more on this site than you have. And yes, every time you post I wince at the dreadful grammar and spelling. And lack of fullstops.

I also fail to grasp your logic. Because no-one else criticises you, I must be a moron?

Please.

Just accept the fact that your grammar and spelling needs a little work!

[MoishieCohen]

Just accept the fact that your grammar and spelling needs a little work!

Posted by: MoishieCohen | May 09, 2012 at 09:28 AM

Sorry...should read need!

[New Yorker]

Wasn't it in Gotlieb's summer camp that the famous alleged molestation happened in Lakewood.

[Lawrence M. Reisman]

Did it ever occur to anyone that both those who praise Gottlieb and criticize him may be right in their own contexts? Think of Rav Aharon Bina and the vociferous debate that arose around him. Both sides could be correct in their own context. Think of "The Deer Hunter." The Chris Walken character made a lot of money playing Russian roulette. There was a 1 in 6 chance he'd get his brains blown out and a 5 in 6 chance he'd come out richer. With operators like Binah and Gottlieb, you're playing that Russian roulette. Chances are you'll come out ahead, but if you're the one in six. Personally, I'd never recommend taking that chance with my kids (I got ambushed into it twice when the Anhala of the Yeshiva my son was in changed), but try and understand there are those that can't see that 1 in 6 chance.

Personally, I knew Nechemia Gottlieb when he was 6 years old and on, and I know stories of him from when he got married. For me, no thank you.

[jancsipista]

MoishieCohen -You are out of youre mind we are discussing serious matters and you come in here with critisizing my spelling are you that stupid,my spelling is not the problem,bu8t according to you thats the biggest problem, you are definitly a moron.

[jancsipista]

Lawrence M. Reisman-You write you know him since he was 6 years old, and then you write you know stories of him since he got married,this is strange writing,cal you elaborate what do you mean stories since he got married?

[Mike]

@ bais hatorah parent:

Your one comment that tipped me off to the true meaning behind your words was when you said "if you were out of line, maybe you deserved it." The truth is is that the frumma have such a radical devotion to their rabbis that even if they DID commit said crime, there must be a legitimate reason for it. Abusing children is no exception in your world, it seems.

@ former "student"

I feel for you. I hope this bastard and his cronies get shut down for good after this asifa bullshit.

[thelionroars]

to beis hatorah parent
instead of thanking your lucky stars that gotleib didnt beat your child you try to blame the dozens of children whom he did beat . So in a rape case blame the victem

you are part of whats wrong in klal yisroel today and why kids leave the derech
so PARENT OF BEIS HATALMUD

LETS CONVENE A GROUP OF PEOIPLE AND HAVE GOTLIEB DENY THE CHARGES AND WE WILL PRODUCE ALL THE CHILDREN WHOM HE BEAT

THEN WILL YOU LEAVE YOUR KOLEL NON WORKING POSITION AND HELP PROTECT CHILDREN

your post is a disgrace and stop protecting child beaters

kotler solomon are just as guilty for protecting and working with gotleib

to former student --- we feel for you and we are just starting with gotleib
be patient FM UOJ and many others will be working on this