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May 16, 2012

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Cincinnati rapper

Is Friendship Circle a legitimate group that provides services to "specials," or is mostly just another pathway for Chabad to insinuate itself into the American Jewish home, and once there ensconced, promote the Rebbe Religion?

Babs

I can't believe we as Americans cant respect other peoples's choices including their race. Mind your own business.....his lifestyle doesn't. affect you.

C. Naskinam

His name is now KY-Love...

just saying

Really, why now? Did he think he'd get national media attention, an interview on NPR ala Matisyahu? Is he planning a tour? a new album? Just wondering...

Yoel Mechanic

For the frummies here: a conversion is valid for all time and all places. Of course I am only talking about a Torah based conversion (there is no other kind!) So if you actually take that seriously you have no business trashing someone who is not different than any other Yid who goes Off The Derech. For the gay issue, that is a well known major challenge, but one should realize that a challenge in this area is no reason to break shabbos or eat treif. If those had meaning at one time, they are just as meaningful now and just as important. One should continue on the Torah path, and keep their personal issues in focus, but limited to those issues.

Yoel Mechanic

It was a response to both of you You implied that you agreed with him.

Posted by: Jeff | May 18, 2012 at 11:04 AM
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I only agreed with the fraction of what he said, which was indicated by what I said. My preference is to build upon points of agreement and have a conversation rather than focus on the points of disagreement and get into a trash slinging match. Now you might ask: what are you doing on a blog like this?

Sometimes I do focus on a disagreement if some egregious offense warrants comment, but I try to be very sparing in that.

Herb D. Provence

"Blogs can and will have legitimate differences on a variety of topics, but there should always be a measure of basic respect we give one another as human beings."

Sure - unless the human beings being trashed happen to be frum Jews - then anything is fair game

David

this mixed breed mess is and always has been sick i always thought he was a sick phony homo loser, he is a disgusting gay fraud.

send him off to hell

Jeff

It was a response to both of you You implied that you agreed with him.

Yoel Mechanic

Yoel, you and the other guy are talking about two entirely different things. You're suggesting these are drive-by posters posing as frum Jews. He's suggesting it's "the usual Jew bashing choir on this site" - i.e., "us".

Posted by: Jeff | May 18, 2012 at 04:38 AM
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I agree with you 100%. I just wanted to clarify this since you have included something I said in your response to the other guy.

Shmarya

ven if they are real racist frum people, why give them a forum, Shmarya?

Posted by: YY | May 18, 2012 at 10:23 AM

Because people need to see what your community is actually like.

I asked Y-Love what the response from haredim to his coming out was like.

He said most were nice (even though they opposed his choice), but some were awful – more awful than he could ever have imagined.

And what you see here is the same.

YY

"It's done all the time, and this sort of hypocrisy is far better than to chuck the whole things and leave all the mitzvahs behind. This is obviously true, and makes sense presuming you do believe that each individual Torah mitzvah is valuable. So my argument is predicated on the validity of traditional (eg. conventional) Torah observance."

I agree with this. It doesn't even have to be hypocrisy, if Y-Love is convinced by the arguments of Rabbi Steven Greenberg.

Racist comments should be immediately deleted. This site is already making frum Jews look bad enough -- why be an enabler for those doing it by fakery? For all we know it could be messianic Jews or Reform Jews trying to make frum Jews look more racist than they are. Even if they are real racist frum people, why give them a forum, Shmarya?

Jeff

Yoel, you and the other guy are talking about two entirely different things. You're suggesting these are drive-by posters posing as frum Jews. He's suggesting it's "the usual Jew bashing choir on this site" - i.e., "us".

Jeff

Good for you, Yitz. Yes - bigots are bitches.

Y-Love

Actually, I have actually made a response video to Zera L'Vatalah/Ty's argument and persona, and all who are like them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4xhugpJXEM

And I mean the phrase in the most "hood" sense of the word. No respect for your cesspool of a mind.

shoyta

Ylove has joined the jewish faith but ever since he has been bashing us. For years he was interviewing that we are racist because someone in bnei braq said his music is a bad influence. DUH. Of course it is. That said he was a good talent. Too bad he can't take criticism.

SkepticalYid


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDiRSv2wFi4


Ty

Fag nigger

Yoel Mechanic

>it is another to openly affirm (even if only to oneself) that you will not keep a specific mitzvah, while still considering yourself frum

It's done all the time, and this sort of hypocrisy is far better than to chuck the whole things and leave all the mitzvahs behind. This is obviously true, and makes sense presuming you do believe that each individual Torah mitzvah is valuable. So my argument is predicated on the validity of traditional (eg. conventional) Torah observance.

Yoel Mechanic

>We have nothing better to do than to invent ways to make frum Jews look bad

who is the "We"? You never know who is posting or why. I would be careful about presuming any random poster is on the level when all they have is a hit and run slur. Speaking only for myself: I am not making any collective statements about a "We" or a "Them", but only about the various nameless individual yutzes running around on internet who, to use your words, really do not have anything better to do then bash dis thing or dat thing.

MoishieCohen

I find it strange that Y-Love suggests he will not be returning to any form of Jewish observance. There are Orthodox Jewish men who are pretty much totally observant in every way while being in a relationship with a man. I don't see why Y-Love doesn't do that while staying involved with Open Orthodoxy (which previous articles already indicated he was into).

Posted by: YY | May 17, 2012 at 02:25 PM

Maybe because he is an honest thinker - and acknowledges the inherent contradiction in leading a frum lifestyle while positively being over issurim.

It is one thing to slip up here and there with averos - we all do - and maintain a mantle of frumkeit.

it is another to openly affirm (even if only to oneself) that you will not keep a specific mitzvah, while still considering yourself frum.

It is especially unfortunate that Y-Love chose to become Jewish/frum, then to realise he wanted to spend the rest of his life with a man. He might have been happier had he never converted...

I really do feel sorry for him.

The struggle of frum gay men is truly tragic. For more info, see the documentary Trembling BEfore Gd - specifically the character David

NB. Has he shaven his beard? Is that him in drag in the music video?

Dovit

Born a Nigger and will die a Nigger

Posted by: זרע לבטלה | May 16, 2012 at 04:36 PM

When you act racist like that, you make it okay for people to be anti-semitic. You can't denounce anti-semitism while being full of hatred against others.

Jeff

Am I too cynical to have a strong hunch that these racist, disgusting comments – above – were written by the usual Jew bashing choir on this site - to make it look like it’s being posted by religious jews.

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Quite possible

Unbelievable. Yeah, you caught us. We have nothing better to do than to invent ways to make frum Jews look bad - because of course, they don't do enough of that on their own.

YY

I find it strange that Y-Love suggests he will not be returning to any form of Jewish observance. There are Orthodox Jewish men who are pretty much totally observant in every way while being in a relationship with a man. I don't see why Y-Love doesn't do that while staying involved with Open Orthodoxy (which previous articles already indicated he was into).

Yos

I must have some keen gaydar because I had a feeling. Black, Jewish, AND gay? Holy cow! He's a braver man than I.

Yoel Mechanic

Am I too cynical to have a strong hunch that these racist, disgusting comments – above – were written by the usual Jew bashing choir on this site - to make it look like it’s being posted by religious jews.

I never hear anyone around me talking such filth….

Posted by: shosh | May 16, 2012 at 11:10 PM
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Quite possible. There was a guy a while back who most definitely was doing this on a regular basis. The other guys are you referring to as sort of hit and run, so we will never know. But I agree with you.. those sorts of crude slurs are not the kinds of things I am used to hearing in real life either. As for this blog: we will probably never know if it is real or more incitement.

זרע לבטלה

Hey Jeff 😉

Steve K

ause unlike chareidim, blacks and gays contribute to society. Now I await your racist response."

Yochanan,
I feel let down by your response.You have been a rational and mature commenter and now you have allowed yourself to sink to a low.

You were probably having a stressful day

Jeff

Posted by: זרע לבטלה | May 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM

Someone is WAY too obsessed with this. Experience has taught me that when this is the case, that person has something to hide.

זרע לבטלה

Well it ain't my fantasies it's his!! He's the piece of fece matter running around town telling everyone that he an ass plower!!! We have to make it a law that when referring to a "gay" person we have to define it at all times!!!

ONE WHO LOVES MALE ANUS!!! That's it!!! That's all what a gay person is about!!!!!

you lie

Why is title Hasidic rapper... if he calls himself ex-hassidic?

Yochanan Lavie

Zerah is obviously the fine product of a yeshiva education. And as we can see by his fantasies, a closet queen to boot. At least Y had the courage to come out of the closet.

זרע לבטלה

Hope he uses plenty of lube on his victims,

Being a Nigger and a Faggot he must be possesing a huge cock!!!

Mamzer HaKodesh

Just to clarify - I'm happy and inspired that he's come out as a gay man. When I say I'm disappointed, I mean personally disappointed because there goes another smart, cute, committed guy... and he's gay. Isn't that what they say? The best ones are either taken or gay.

Mamzer HaKodesh

I salute Y-Love for continuing in his evolutionary journey in life and in Judaism. I'm happy for him, but I will admit I'm a bit disappointed. He is fine, smart, Black and Jewish. I've had a few daydreams about him being my prince charming.

jj

Moshe rabaynu. Also know as moses had a wife who was black. Was she a ""nigger" too? Or is that term only used for special people

sir

Though this article is provocative, I have nothing smart to say, so I'll zip it.

Yochanan Lavie

I don't approve of racism coming from blacks or whites. While it's true the word "racist" has become at times an epithet, the comments by our trolls are indefensible. Pointing out that some blacks are themselves racist does not justify it.

Korbendallas72

The word "racist" itself is now being changed as was the case with "terrorist". It used to mean "prejudice" but now has become an accusation of non-conformance to the established racial hierarchy. Today, people will turn a blind eye to blacks hating on Asians, or Arabs hating on anyone because their racial status gives them that liberty.

Fleishike Kishke

Hey smarmy Rebi, which of your colleagues is the molester in your school? You know you've heard rumors, but you're looking the other way. Do you think those boys experienced the Simcha of the Mitzva? What are you going doing about it? Or are you your resident Yeshiva molester?

Chicago Sam

Failedmessiah seems to have an ethical dilemma on its hands:

(1) Are racist and sexist comments to be tolerated because of free speech?

(2) If they are, then FM has effectively been hacked in an open sort of way.

(3) Should these chevra be banned?

Blogs can and will have legitimate differences on a variety of topics, but there should always be a measure of basic respect we give one another as human beings.

A. Nuran

I hope his honesty brings him peace and satisfaction.

Yochanan Lavie

Yochanan,
YOU never protest when the most vile things are said about "chareidim".Why?

Posted by: Steve K | May 16, 2012 at 10:37 PM

Okay, I'll bite.

Because unlike chareidim, blacks and gays contribute to society. Now I await your racist response.

Annodamiz

Ignore the lowest common denominators of the human race. More power to you. Hopefully there will come a day where all the racist gay hating cowardly bastards can get stuffed into a time machine and dropped during the crusades age where they can join in or die on a journey for hatred.

As for now, time is moving forward while the least intelligent of the human race lags behind and kicks a tantrum over anyone who isn't purely anglo saxen/white adhering to religious views, Jewish or not.

We watch and laugh and/or facepalm at the rest of the human race keeps breeding more stupid people.

Eli, what me messiah?

Posted by: זרע לבטלה | May 16, 2012 at 04:36 PM

Yitzi, the lamentable post above is the best example possible that what you are doing is right, is needed, and is very relevant. More to you!

Jeff

hey Y-Idiot, the World Wide Consortium which oversees the Internet is only concerned with technology advancement not with bein the speech police.

FM is a private blog so FM can ban racists, but the U.S. government is not going to get into the business of enforcing ethical speech. If you don't see the value in constitutional protections for speech you don't like then you're a moron.

Posted by: Smilie | May 17, 2012 at 03:38 AM

Yeah, he's SJ.

Someone here is a moron.

Jeff

It's truly an Olam shel Chessed; just look around you; it's there for all to see.

Posted by: Yosef | May 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM

So are fear, repression and child sexual abuse - but you don't want to see those.

Smilie

hey Y-Idiot, the World Wide Consortium which oversees the Internet is only concerned with technology advancement not with bein the speech police.

FM is a private blog so FM can ban racists, but the U.S. government is not going to get into the business of enforcing ethical speech. If you don't see the value in constitutional protections for speech you don't like then you're a moron.

Jeff

with half my brain tied behind my back. lol just kidding.

Posted by: Smilie | May 16, 2012 at 10:19 PM

Shmarya, I think Smilie is SJ.

I didn't see anyone anyone on that thread named "Smilie" - but the last person to argue with him was SJ.

Trying to sneak in using a different pseudonym then revealing himself, convincing himself he "defeated" someone in an argument then boasting about it - this is consistent with his past behavior.

Y-Love

Most definitely ban racists from this website.*


* "This website" includes not only the site FailedMessiah, but also the entire Internet on which it is based.

chicago sam

I think all racists should be banned from this website.

chicago sam

How can anyone speak that way to a fellow Jew? The Haredi are pathetic.

shosh

Am I too cynical to have a strong hunch that these racist, disgusting comments – above – were written by the usual Jew bashing choir on this site - to make it look like it’s being posted by religious jews.

I never hear anyone around me talking such filth….

Steve K

"This site is being unreadable, thanks to the fucking troglodyte trolls who come out of the woodwork any time there is something about blacks or gays, let alone black gays. If this is "toyreh" how is it better than anything else?"

Yochanan,
YOU never protest when the most vile things are said about "chareidim".Why?

Yoel Mechanic

While you're at it, tear up you US Passport and renounce your US citizenship because I can find plenty of American's who will be yahoos in one way or another. The millions currently in prison, and the millions more just waiting to go, not to mention plenty of irritable or boring or obnoxious people on every block and grocery store.

Smilie

Here is where I defeated Y-love in debate.

with half my brain tied behind my back. lol just kidding.

seymour

It's truly an Olam shel Chessed; just look around you; it's there for all to see.

Posted by: Yosef | May 16, 2012 at 09:23 PM

as is many other communities if you think the story what you just wrote about does not happen then you are delusional

I know many believe it does not so they can say how much better they are then others

Yochanan Lavie

This site is being unreadable, thanks to the fucking troglodyte trolls who come out of the woodwork any time there is something about blacks or gays, let alone black gays. If this is "toyreh" how is it better than anything else?

Yosef

FK, if you miss Orthodox life, you're missing the Simcha shel Mitzva when sitting in the Sukah, the special feeling when standing in Tefilah, the exhiliration when learning Torah, the satisfaction of helping out someone less fortunate. I am a HS Rebbi. I can tell you, at least in my dalet amos, the chinuch is about
the opportunities Yiddishkeit provides, not about knocking down anyone else. I have a son who is paralyzed on one side of his body, and I can't begin to tell you the number of people who have earned their share in Olam Haba by encouraging and enabling him to function on par with his peers in all the Yeshivos he's attended.
It's truly an Olam shel Chessed; just look around you; it's there for all to see.

Fleishike Kishke

Next time people ask me if I miss anything about the Orthodox, I'll refer them to some of these posts. The mindset is not the opinion of an individual, it reflects deepest the thoughts and feelings of a significant plurality or even a majority of the Frumma.

Joe Field

i debated y-love before. he's no big deal.

Posted by: Smilie | May 16, 2012 at 06:42 PM

No big deal? Idiot, is human like you and me.

Smilie

i debated y-love before. he's no big deal.

moke

Dumb Coon! And now a gay one!

moke

Another Fag!

Yoel Mechanic

Zera L'Vatelah: Please Batel your mouth. I'm sick of hearing this kind of crap.

chicago sam

Hillel said, "If I am not for myself, who will be for me?"

I am proud you have honored and spoken your truth.

Mikal W. Grass

Harold was mild compared to some of the ignorant and hateful maggots that spew their hatred on this site. S, can you bring Harold back and ban some of the other hateful bigoted posters?

Friar Yid

a person. any person who identifies himself by his sexuality or sexual orientation is a piece of material. is that all there is to you?

Grow a brain; the man is an accomplished musician, a passionate activist for various causes, and a well-regarded blogger, to boot. All he's doing is acknowledging another part of who he is. The only one trying to put him into a box is you.

 ruthie

more power to you, yitzi!
bravo...you have a lot of support
hugs

Jeff

Born a Nigger and will die a Nigger

Posted by: זרע לבטלה | May 16, 2012 at 04:36 PM

Born ignorant and will die ignorant.

kishke mishke

a person. any person who identifies himself by his sexuality or sexual orientation is a piece of material. is that all there is to you? which way your lego connects? very pathetic indeed. besides this flake seems like a very sorry hasidic specimen to begin with.

Jeff

I had no idea. More power to him, indeed.

זרע לבטלה

Born a Nigger and will die a Nigger

His Gayness is only one of his many mental issues!!!

Fleishike Kishke

More power to you, Yitzi.

ZIY

Check out his new video, riffing about his evolving away from the heimish lifestyle - with some drag yet!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSR_tDgTonA

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