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May 18, 2012

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Nigritude Ultramarine

@Steve W. - Everson v. Board of Ed., 330 US 1 (1947).

Thanks for that opinion, I'll have to read more about it because Hugo Black's words in the decision seem overly far reaching. IMHO, that's because a number of states had official religions when the Union was formed. From a quick read, I thought Everson had a good argument with the constitution's Due Process Clause.

Still and all, thanks for the education, you've given me some work to do. This is quite different from other areas of law with which I am more familiar.
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Yerachmiel Lopin

The Fed's should prosecute Hynes and others in his office for discriminating against Jewish victims of sex abuse. It is pervasive and systematic and deprives the victimized kids of equal protection under the law.

seymour

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seymour

He is saying the haredim, hasidim are worse than the Mafia.

Posted by: Litvish | May 19, 2012 at 03:40 PM

in a way it is true the Mafia leaves the family out of it

Litvish

So here is a morsel from Hynes from the NY Times.

Apparently, he is feeling the heat outside the insane asylum of the frume velt.

“The level of intimidation is not found nearly as much in organized crime,” he said. “It’s extraordinary just how relentless these people can be.”

They were turning the screws on him and now he is squealing.

Get this:

He is saying the haredim, hasidim are worse than the Mafia.

No Light

Thanks Elisheva. I hadn't realised it was state-dependent.

Mike S.

Disbarment is in order.

@Bassy the Haredi Slayer:
'throwing out the baby with the bathwater' is how you fail it.

The Conservative Kid

The special treatment to the Ultra Orthodox goes beyond sex cases. If a "Frum" Yid is arrested for other crimes the Orthodox community liaison is called in as well.

Are we living in the United States or the Balkans? Don't we believe in equal justice for all regardless of one's religion?

Bassy the Haredi Slayer

Posted by: MM | May 18, 2012 at 02:39 PM

Good catch on the UPenn, Penn State mix up, really sloppy writing , if he cannot get this thing right, why should I trust him in anything he writes ?.

Elisheva

No Light, it's not a fixture of the entire American legal system--DAs and judges are elected in some states and appointed in others, and always appointed at the federal level (with a vote of the Senate for federal judges).

Otherwise I completely agree with you for states like New York--we don't elect our legislators to be impartial, but it is absolutely imperative that our law enforcement officials be impartial. That's very difficult when you're beholden to campaign donors and voters. In a place like Brooklyn, where one large voting bloc can sway any local election, it's impossible, as Hynes has made absolutely clear.

seymour


hynes speaks up

http://brooklyn.ny1.com/content/161449/ny1-online--brooklyn-district-attorney-hynes-responds-to-recent-criticism

SkepticalYid

Posted by: Barry | May 18, 2012 at 11:37 AM

Excellent rationalization to excuse protection of molesters! Well done!

justice for the children .

yeah? '...we educated the D.A on how to
properly conduct a sex abuse trial'....

really? one thing is sure in iowa , dovid weinstein could not 'educate' judge linda reade how to conduct her sentencing .

there was no votes unvolved in iowa , therefore no interest . but in brooklyn,
it surely is . the haredi votes for the brooklyn D.A . hynes complies with the rabbi's wishes so that the molesters can walk free . no wonder hynes keeps being reelected.

what a deal ! there will never be a cure
for the haredi children , bc their community, their rabbi cover up the evidence from the beginning .

i'm so glad that sholom rubashkin trial was done in iowa , not in brooklyn .
although, his lawyers could have moved his trial in brooklyn . but it didn't happened that way . baruch hashem !

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Lubavitchers are Christians

Smicha from Reb Malkiel Kotler????? Are you for real???? Does Reb Malkiel have smicha himself?

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As for my rabbinic credentials, I do not use the title Rabbi. I happen to have learned in Ner Yisroel, Mir Yerushalayim and Lakewood and have smicha from Reb Malkiel Kotler, but I do not ascribe to the Daas Torah Hashkafa. My own personal Rabbi is Rabbi Yosef Blau, the Mashgiach Ruchani of Yeshiva University. Asher Lipner From statement 8/31/11 unorthodox Jew

MM

Please, the University of Pennsylvania had nothing whatsoever to do with the Sandusky case. That occurred at Penn State. The two universities are very different institutions and are not connected in any way except for both being in Pennsylvania. I hope Asher Lipner is more accurate about the rest of the information in this piece, but this sloppy mistake undermines my confidence in his research skills.

No Light

I have to be honest here - I've never understood the American custom of electing legal officials. Surely that builds corruption right into the system?

Law enforcement is not, and should not be, a popularity contest. It needs stringent controls in place to detect corruption, and purge it. Otherwise, you get disgusting, heartbreaking scenarios like this, where the bodies and souls of children are sold for votes.


Oh and Porn4All - if reading about raped, brutalised children is getting you off, seek professional help.

Steven W

@ N.U.

The first 8 amendments to the Constitution originally applied only to the federal government. In the 1920s, the Supreme Court began applying parts of those amendments to the states through the Fourteenth Amendment via what is called the Incorporation Doctrine.

The Court applied the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment to the states in Everson v. Board of Ed., 330 US 1 (1947).

Farfrumt

No arguments on the content of the article and kudos to him for writing it, but I think it's a bit untruthful for Dr. Asher Lipner to call himself Rabbi Asher Lipner when writing in the Huffington Post. I have never seen him refer to himself as such, why the need to do it when writing to the wider public forum?

If the intent is to give the impression to those out of our community that not "all Rabbi's" agree with the modus operandi of keeping things "in house" it is a noble intention but I still think it is untruthful and not necessary.

Nigritude Ultramarine

I wonder if shifting an essential government function (police/judical) to a sectarian authority, if done regularly and for religious purposes, might qualify as an establishment clause violation?

Doesn't the establishment clause apply just to the federal government? From the First Amendment:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion"

Korbendallas72

Sodomites in the pockets of sodomites beholden to sodomites in a nation of sodomites. Hashem had a very, very good reason for bestowing Fukushima upon America. Don't let the door hit you in the ass on the way out lest you get turned into a pillar of salt.

This is not a drill. This is Geulah. We're leaving.

Nigritude Ultramarine

Sex, sex and more sex - yippie!

Sex is the instrument of abuse in this context. Hurry now, you're needed in the "Early Man" exhibit at the museum.

Barry

The Orthodox are not so different than other communities.
In other communities what happens to the 80% of abuse cases where the abuser is a family member ?
Answer: it does not get reported. Somehow people feel that prison and shame is not the right answer for Uncle....
In the Orthodox community the definition of family is wider and includes nearly all members.

Reb Shabse

It would be a good start to put back the power and the law of the land where it belongs, that is the impartial proper Enforcement Authorities, and not to self serving corrupted self interest groups. When these self serving interests have their merry way, they cover up for their Melamdim, Mashgichim, Menahalim, and their yotzer meshartav, vaasher meshartav, their next of kin, Financial Contributors, those well connected, interest groups, except those that are expendable which at the same time comes in handy to show their tzviakishe self righteousness, as in Teriezenshtadt. On a paid up job, or at times when the people high up are mislead with half truths or full lies in order to gain their blessings, not to mention "Vehoelokim Inah Leyado" which is a whole different program, they use everything at their disposal, established community organizations for tracking and espionage, other friendly community volunteer organizations that have the wherewithal for break ins to gain unlawful entrance under cover of darknesss to obtain what they think they might need destroying someones reputation/ whatever the reason might be, or setting up Balak and Bilam Kozbi bat tzur type of entrapments, never mind 'Tzror et hamidyanim asher niklu lachem al dvar peor veal dvar Kozbi'/ 'Velifneu Iver lo titen Michshol to them it doesn't apply', or insinuate as if Kozbi bat tzur happenings, or planting chametz to discredit on child custody issues and cases, and when the Achbarim destroyed their supplanted chametz, they invent virtual chametz, they use their power and connections to get orders from the D.A. through the Heyena's (not her real name) to do wire tapping, hacking, monitoring, interfering with Postal mail, Package Deliveries and many other means that there's no end, to possibly obtain something that might help on their path of mass destruction.

They truly feel on cloud nine that anyone's stake is at their whim. There is also an individual who specializes in collection of garbage in his 'Lo Telech Rachil Beamecha proof Database' on individuals to have it ready on moments notice Let metzo. If you don't believe this, you are free to Google it up. Recently, after the media has done an expose on their , muscle flexing, blackmailing, micro managing and controlling individuals lives and who knows what not is at stake, and they fear that Democracy and freedom of Religion will reign for the masses, their Power and livelihood is at stake. They always want to be at the center of the stage, full blown undivided attention, thereby banning talented individuals whether in the music industry, or anyone capable of gathering greater masses than they possibly can, of which is only unnecessary competition. The limud zechut you might possibly explain is, that they want to bring mashiach NOW, as the mishnah states, BeIkvate deMashiche chutzpe yasge.... with all the Mishna's details in descending order. If you don't give them your votes, you might save a couple of victimized children from their abusers, vechol hamatzil nefesh achat miYisrael keilu kiyam olem male. If you think all this is not true and cannot happen, think again!

It is encumbent that all custody cases, child abuse, and where corruption is prevalent to be scrutinized, reprocessed, and bring those resposible to Justice, asides from calling for his immediate resignation. Ve'im tirtzu, en zu agada.

jancsipista

Anything theese ultras do is ultra treif.

Yochanan Lavie

What the DA did was allow Col. Saunders to protect the chickens.

mark meyer appel

Dr asher lipner

go for it ure the best

Eli, what me messiah?

I wonder if shifting an essential government function (police/judical) to a sectarian authority, if done regularly and for religious purposes, might qualify as an establishment clause violation?
or, also just wondering, if you are the parents of Hassidic child who is molested, and the perpetrator is not brought to justice because the government is deferring to religious authority, could you sue the DA (on behalf of the child) for violating the constitution?
what the DA is doing just doesn't sound kosher from a constitutional perspective.

Witness

The reason for all this is simple. It's called elections, and it is assumed that Orthodox Jews vote as a block.

No Light

What the fuck?

On the plus side Shmarya, this story is spreading. Mainstream blogs are picking it up


Hopefully the wall of silence will come crashing down on a few heads.

Porn4All

Sex, sex and more sex - yippie!

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