Secular Israelis Dodging Their Obligations To The Jewish People, Haredim Say

Yated Ne'eman, a haredi daily paper affiliated with the Ashkenazi non-hasidic United Torah Judaism political party, has published an editorial saying that Israelis protesting haredi draft dodging are harming Israel by "dodging" their obligations to support Jewish people's spiritual struggle.

 

Haredi newspaper blasts 'Suckers' Tent'
Yeted Ne'eman editorial says activists urging universal military service endangering the Jewish people
Kobi Nahshoni • Ynet

Doing more harm than good? "Yeted Ne'eman," a haredi daily affiliated with United Torah Judaism, published an editorial Monday saying that "Suckers' Tent" protesters harming Israel by "dodging" their obligations to support Jewish people's spiritual struggle.

The "Suckers' Tent" protest campaign is promoting mandatory military service for all sectors of Israeli society [including haredim, who currently are exempt from serving in the army].

The editorial declares that, "It must be firmly stated – the true 'draft dodgers' are the ones in the tent," adding that the activists are "endangering the Jewish people's existence" by "razing the ground on which we stand."

The paper agrees that in light of the great dangers facing the Jewish people, there is a need for "universal conscription – without draft dodgers," but notes that in addition to the clear and present dangers facing Israel, the biggest threat to the Jewish people is spiritual – the destruction of communities worldwide through mixed marriages and the disintegration of Jewish Israeli society.

"The only thing that can save the Jewish people is a return to our roots, strengthening belief, increased Torah study and religious observance, and uncompromising adherence to eternal values," the editorial states.

"The world of the Torah, its students and servants, who (as the Passover vacation ends) are returning to the study halls, is the vanguard in (our) war of survival and what guarantees the Jews' existence."

"Anyone who sits out and does not do at least partial service in Torah study, in keeping the commandments, in preserving the values of Judaism... is drilling a hole in the hull of the Jewish ship.

"This 'draft dodging' presents a real danger to keeping the Jewish nation unified and intact," the paper argued.

Note that while Yated Ne'eman claims that "anyone who sits out and does not do at least partial service in Torah study, in keeping the commandments, in preserving the values of Judaism... is drilling a hole in the hull of the Jewish ship," it does not say that any able-bodied man who does not serve in the army is putting the Jewish people at risk.

That's becuse haredim believe that their Torah study is a greater weapon against Israel's enemies than the missiles, fighter jets, and foot soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces.

And that, haredim think, 'justifies' haredi draft dodging.

Comments

[Yaakov]

If the very greatest scholars of the charedi world, ones that demonstrated an aptitude for both theoretical study and practical application; who showed by action true ahavat Yisroel and compassion to those they encounter; who stood as shining examples of the or l'Torah that the Jews are commanded to be, to all the nations and people of the world; if those few special people occupied themselves with all of this, while the others in the charedi world worked and learned, and acted as fine ba'alei batim, if this is how things were then those in Israel who had complaints about the charedim in this area would be marginalized.

But, of course, that is not how things are. Until something approximating this is the case, there will be no peace between these usurpers of the mantle of Torah and the rest of us.

[heshyfriedman]

They should of added that many secular Israelis refuse to join the army including former prime ministers Olmarts two sons. They both ran away from Israel. And what about the arabs. They are a fifth column endangering Israel everyday security but they get full support from the secular jellyfish government. Without Chareidim,Israel would cease being a Jewish state.

[who knows]

Heshy are you stupid or very stupid? Of course many seculars dodge the draft. The total number of secular draft dodgers is about 10%. This is really bad.

On the other hand hand only 8-9% of haredim serve. This makes secular IDF participation about 10 times as high as haredi. Do you see the difference?

The difference is between individual parasites (secular) and entire parasitical society (haredi).

[Seymour]

Heshy

If all the chedeim left Israel. Would still be a jewish state. A better one I might add

Also other people eat chazar so why don't the cheredeim.? I ask since you are using that excuse for cherideim draft dodging

[Eli, what me messiah?]

Heshyfriedman ,
What can I say, you and the haredi apologists must be right. Up is down, black is white, cats are dogs, and monkeys will fly out of your butt.

[Hp]

Not only do large number of haredim not serve in the army, large numbers contribute little to the economy. A solid economy is essential to Israel to be able to finance its expensive but vital military.

[ah-pee-chorus]

The only thing that can save the Jewish people is a return to our roots, strengthening belief, increased Torah study and religious observance, and uncompromising adherence to eternal values," the editorial states.

"The world of the Torah, its students and servants, who (as the Passover vacation ends) are returning to the study halls, is the vanguard in (our) war of survival and what guarantees the Jews' existence."

"Anyone who sits out and does not do at least partial service in Torah study, in keeping the commandments, in preserving the values of Judaism... is drilling a hole in the hull of the Jewish ship.

absent any evidence to support this, these statements are no more valid than my claim that playing basketball and going to the beach are what keeps judaism alive and israel safe. i call on all seculars to forego military conscription using this claim. i'm sure the charedim will understand.

[ah-pee-chorus]

since torah study by charedim is what really protects israel, there is no need for any army.
and why doesnt torah study cause sukkahs to be built? i see charedim who have to build their own despite their torah learning.
furthermore, all yeshivas should be moved to the border where they can REALLY protect us. its such a waste to have all those soldiers there.

[ah-pee-chorus]

repugnant, vile, and selfish thoughts such as these can only be achieved via the delusional beliefs of religion. hitchens A"H, Z"L, was right. religion poisons EVERYTHING.

[Sarek]

So the next version of Iron Dome will be rabbis holding up the Torah against incoming missiles?

[Yochanan Lavie]

Sarek: Chareidim already think the sky is an iron dome.

[Rochel]

That's becuse haredim believe that their Torah study is a greater weapon against Israel's enemies than the missiles, fighter jets, and foot soldiers of the Israel Defense Forces.
Good, let's test this out. At the next conflict let's send in a troop of haredim with their torahs and see how successful they are.

[heshyfriedman]

Rochel
Do you really believe that Israels army can take on 22 arab countries with hundreds of millions of arabs. And if only a million unarmed arabs walked across Israels borders would they kill them all? The existence of Israel is only because of the Al-mighty G-d. The Lebanon war took 31 days for Israels jumbo army to try and defeat a mere 2000 Hasbalah fighters. The yom kippur war almost destroyed Israel if not for the Egyptian general thinking it was a set up as he freely broke through the front lines and found no front line of defense. G-d foils the intentions of the nations. An arab sodier is not any physically stronger than an Israeli soldier or visa versa. The arabs can walk over us with their sheer numbers if not the Al-mightys watchful eye.

[Yaakov]

heshyfriedman:

If God does preserve Israel it is not on account of you, rather in spite of you and those who act like you. Your behavior is a stink in the nostrils of the almighty. He doesn't want your "frumkeit", he never asked for it, and you are annoying him.

[ah-pee-chorus]

heshyfriedman -

sorry, its because of the zchus of the seculars going to the beach, playing ball, going for nice family walks, and generally enjoying life. if they all become frum chas vsholom, hashem will let israel be destroyed. he HATES charedism and time wasted learning.

[AztecQueen2000]

Now, now, Heshyfriedman may have a point. After all, the Torah does exempt cowards from army service, lest their cowardice infect the rest of the troop and destroy morale.

[heshyfriedman]

Yaakov
Maybe according to the new testement your god likes sabbath violators or pork eaters. The Torah G-d gave the Jews seems in line with chareidi lifestyle. Shabbos,kosher and tzneius are prime examples of chareidi banners.

[Yaakov]

heshyfriedman:

What on earth are you on about? It's people like you that makes it so orthodoxy can't have nice things any more.

A Jeff might say, "go play in traffic".

I am much too busy trying to lead a Torah life to worry about your claptrap. You've reached the end of my attention span.

[SkepticalYid]

Heshy, as pointless as it is to debate with you the TRUTH is that the only thing that saved Israel in '72 was Ariel Sharon's refusal to let his troops stand down for Yom Kippur.

1 million Arabs marching across the border? How did you come up with that nonsense? Israel is the only country in that region with 3 nuclear launch platforms. No one is "marching across the border"

[Yochanan Lavie]

Ignore Heshy.

[Litvish]

Re: heshyfriedman

Please post the following on every thread that this pervert comments. It was written by Shmarya on 11 October, 2011.

"We know that Heshy Friedman from the old Heshy's House blog is a JPAC leader. The rest remain anonymous, along with the Mea Shearim rabbis it claims endorse its actions.

I think it's time to out every one of these people."

http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/10/haredi-fringe-group-claims-molestation-of-boys-has-surged-since-same-sex-marriage-bill-passed-in-ny-345.html

[seymour]

Posted by: heshyfriedman | April 24, 2012 at 01:38 PM

go back to school and learn history there are many cases on smaller armies winning wars against a larger and stronger force

and guess what they did not study Torah

[dh]

Forget about heshy. YAAKOV IS NOW SPEAKING FOR GOD!!!!! Alert the media!

[ultra haredi lite]

G-d is slightly below Yaakov (who seems to have come off his lofty perch and has begun attacking others in his infantile way).

[Yochanan Lavie]

You people can't refute what Yaakov says, so you resort to ad hominem attacks against his academic demeanor.

[Yaakov]

dh:

You are the one who put me on a lofty perch, that you now take me off it is your business.

I don't want to have to explain this, but, that was hyperbole in rhetoric. Midah k'neged midah, I was using the same sort of condemnation he employs against others. As you know from all I have written here, I do not have the same sort of anthropomorphic confusion as Heshy and his fellow supremacists.

And, as for your own rhetoric, get a better hobby than me. Your fascination with me is starting to look creepy.

[Yaakov]

dh:

Obviously, that first sentence was directed at ultra charedi lite not you. Sorry for the misdirection.

The final line is applicable to both of you.

[dh]

Oy. I in no way think Yaakov has an academic demeanor. But yes, yes of course you are right. I must get another hobby. Definitely something not so creepy. I don't read Yackov posts and I am serious when I advise your other detractors to just scroll on by, but I saw that and just couldn't resist. I'm going now to think of another hobby. Perhaps fly fishing.