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April 02, 2012

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Mike

It's offical. Neturai Karta is a terrorist group and should be dealt with as such.

netflix

attacking them isnt enough, more is needed......

Adam Neira

This story relates to a headline from today...

Eldad to A-G: Investigate Neturei Karta in Beirut

"A small ultra-Orthodox Jewish sect, Neturei Karta believes only the coming of the Messiah will cause Israel's reestablishment. The group therefore rejects Zionism and opposes the existence of the State of Israel."

which brings up an interesting point. Is the following line of reasoning true or not ?

Vayoel Moshe, Three Oaths, Chapter 69. Joel Teitelbaum quotes Sanhedrin 98b: "Rabbi Hama son of Hanina said: The son of David will not come until even the pettiest kingdom ceases [to have power] over Israel" Rashi explains that this means the Jews won't even have the least amount of sovereignty. Since the Messiah won't arrive while Jews have any sovereignty, the State of Israel prevents the arrival of the Messiah. (However, elsewhere Teitelbaum implicitly allows for the Messianic Kingdom to immediately replace the State of Israel without any sovereign holding power in between. See Teitelbaum's Divrei Yoel on the Pentateuch, Vol. 3, Page 250.)

P.S. The really interesting part of the above intepretation from Joel Teitelbaum is the bit about the sovereignty changeover process.

P.S.S. Moshiach is not in the State of Israel at this time. He will land by plane BTW which is a version of "descending from the clouds" but not as some have interpreted it. The Messianic philosophy is best summed up by the lines from the 1942 Johnny Mercer tune "Accentuate the positive..."

Lubavitchers are Christians

Only leftists are allowed to march with the terrorists and support Palestinian rights.

We call that "enlightenment" and "progressive".

If haredim do it, they are terrorists.

Bas Melech

Lubavitchers are Christians | April 02, 2012 at 11:09 AM

True statement, but they are both terrorist sympathizers. Both groups should be treated the same.

Jeff

Only leftists are allowed to march with the terrorists and support Palestinian rights.

We call that "enlightenment" and "progressive".

If haredim do it, they are terrorists.

Posted by: Lubavitchers are Christians | April 02, 2012 at 11:09 AM

"Leftists" don't call for the forced demise of the state.

Yes, the Neturei Karta are terrorists. You, on the other hand, are merely a fool.

CleanUpHouse

attacking them isnt enough, more is needed......

Posted by: netflix | April 02, 2012 at 10:37 AM

No we need them to help bolster the case against haredim and for entertainment value. We always get a good belly laugh with their antics.

Lubavitchers are Christians


"Leftists" don't call for the forced demise of the state.

Yes, the Neturei Karta are terrorists. You, on the other hand, are merely a fool.

Posted by: Jeff | April 02, 2012 at 11:33 AM

You, Jeff, are ignorant.

Leftists won't openly call for the demise of the state. They're cowards. Though everything they do furthers the demise of the state.

At least the NK are open about their intentions. We know them to be our enemies.

The leftists are more dangerous, because they hide their true intentions. They march with terorists and actively support them and then claim to be Israel's best friend and manage to fool people. Very dangerous, indeed.

A. Nuran

Traitors should be hanged

Jeff

The leftists are more dangerous, because they hide their true intentions. They march with terorists and actively support them and then claim to be Israel's best friend and manage to fool people. Very dangerous, indeed.

Posted by: Lubavitchers are Christians | April 02, 2012 at 12:55 PM

Only in your deluded mind.

WoolSilkCotton

All haredi/hasidic frumma are anti-Zionist and anti-Israel.
Just look at CrownHeights.info and the comments there, the next time there is a story about NK, Zionism, etc.
All Lubavitchers are anti-zionist and anti-Israel, as was Rabbi Jesus Christ Schneerson.
The differences between NK and other frumma is that they're more open and honest about their feelings.

Michael Behar

Even wackier, something must have got lost in translation because the Hezbollah English website is reporting that the Neturai Karta Rabbi told Sheikh Nabil al-Kauk that the Jews needed to wait for "the return of Jesus" before they could build a state. Source: http://www.english.moqawama.org/essaydetails.php?eid=18363&cid=258

Jeff Laster

Howcome that the changes by moshe aryeh Friedman did not jeportize them completely?

Abu Jihad Schneerson

When will the State of Israel formally accuse the ones living there of treason???

heshyfriedman

The leftist secular Jews have helped terrorists by spying against Israel and even being involved in actual terrorism. The NK never spied against Israel and their sole concern is to protect Hareidi Jews worldwide. The secular Israeli government seeks to eradicate Judaism by violating Shabbos, supporting gay parades and corruping the Israeli youth. Fact is no chassidic or yeshivash synagouge allows an Israeli flag. Zionism was started by apikorsim and is still opposed by all mainstream orthodox rabbis.

Lubavitchers are Christians

The leftist secular Jews have helped terrorists by spying against Israel and even being involved in actual terrorism. The NK never spied against Israel and their sole concern is to protect Hareidi Jews worldwide. The secular Israeli government seeks to eradicate Judaism by violating Shabbos, supporting gay parades and corruping the Israeli youth. Fact is no chassidic or yeshivash synagouge allows an Israeli flag. Zionism was started by apikorsim and is still opposed by all mainstream orthodox rabbis.

Posted by: heshyfriedman | April 02, 2012 at 04:33 PM


Heshy Friedman,

You're a shmuck. Most haredim support the state of Israel, and in fact haredim voted for Bob Turner (in part) to protest Obama's anti-Israel policies.

That said, the leftists are the one who started food stamps and section 8 and government programs as a way of getting blacks and hispanics and haredim and other minorities addicted to these programs so that they never again have the incentive to get a job.

These leftists are the ones who brought down haredi society and black society, and made them sunservient and reliant on these leftists for their life sustenance.

I remember when right winger Benjamin Netanyahu cut the programs for the haredim (when he served as Sharon's Finance Minister), and it was the leftists in Israel who cried and protested because they wanted the programs to continue.

So I agree that the leftists are trying to destroy haredi and black families and communities, but I do not agree with you that violating the Sabath is destroying Judaism.

Jeff

These leftists are the ones who brought down haredi society and black society, and made them sunservient and reliant on these leftists for their life sustenance.

LOL! Unbelievable. Really, it should be illegal to be this stupid.

This site has become a magnet for every moron in frumville who can figure out how to turn on a computer.

chicago sam

A pity they did not get killed...

Yoel Mechanic

Only leftists are allowed to march with the terrorists and support Palestinian rights.

We call that "enlightenment" and "progressive".

If haredim do it, they are terrorists.

Posted by: Lubavitchers are Christians | April 02, 2012 at 11:09 AM
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now this is a knee-slapper. I hope you are joking. Now, don't read this to be harsh on you. Leftists, are often called terrorists too depending on what they do or say.

Further comment: the leftists who march with Arabs, do not, in general, *consciously* wish for Israel's demise. There are some psychological issues at play, usually guilt, and also suffering from listening too much to avowed and implacable foes of Israel. Being in those environments does take an emotional toll.

Yoel Mechanic

This site has become a magnet for every moron in frumville who can figure out how to turn on a computer.

Posted by: Jeff | April 02, 2012 at 05:28 PM
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why single fummies out? :) I mean, just read this stuff! heheh

Lubavitchers are Christians


This site has become a magnet for every moron in frumville who can figure out how to turn on a computer.

Posted by: Jeff | April 02, 2012 at 05:28 PM


Exactly Jeff. In OTD-ville as well.

Shlomo1

WSC normally I agree with your comments but here re chabad and Israel surely you meant to say all true Lubavitchers are anti Israel

Shlomo1

Not all Lubavitchers have the same opinions no matter what crownheights.info says

Marshall Gordon

Sometimes Frum = Scum (all to often, unfortunately).

The value of this blog is to point out that all too often the emperor has no tefillin, and that the rebbes and tsadiks are not above hypocrisy and cupidity.

ultra haredi lite

Adam Neira, is the Moshiach currently residing in your house? Sleeping in your bed? Writing nonsensical blog posts?
Why remain relatively anonymous when you can come out of your closet and finally reveal yourself?

Gevezener Chusid

ven wackier, something must have got lost in translation because the Hezbollah English website is reporting that the Neturai Karta Rabbi told Sheikh Nabil al-Kauk that the Jews needed to wait for "the return of Jesus" before they could build a state. Source: http://www.english.moqawama.org/essaydetails.php?eid=18363&cid=258

That would be an error in translation.

Moshiach in Hebrew is "Christ" in Greek/English. So they might indeed say that he said that we need to wait for the coming of "Christ".

Adam Neira

To Chicago Sam,

They are still Jews, nu ? Have you ever sat with someone who you had diametrically opposed views to, yet could still see the similarities between you ? The prophecies state clearly that all streams will flow unto Jerusalem at some point in human history and it looks like that time is rapidly approaching if it is not right here now.

To Gevezener Chusid,

An Iranian website that springs from the Republican Guards horse's mouth actually said two weeks ago that...

"The divisions between the Jews and Muslims in Al Quds will be resolved when the Jewish messiah arrives."

Strange but true !

They actually let it slip in. Such are the shifts in consciousness and belief going on all around the world now. Incredible times we are living in. All the pieces of the jigsaw puzzle are falling into place.

Chicago Sam

Sorry Adam,

I have zero compassion for the NT who join the new Nazis of our day. You can be sure that if they had the opportunity to kill ALL the Jews of Jerusalem, the Muslim crazies would say, "Sorry, but ..."

The NT should be rounded up and arrested, and thrown into jail.

I do not consider these Jewish thugs "brothers." It's time for some "tough love."

heshyfriedman

The Hareidim who voted for Turner did so because he opposed gay marriage just as most Hareidim voted for Storobin over Fixler,because of Fixlers support of gay marriage. It had nothing to do with Israel because Turners opponent was an orthodox Jew who's kids study in Israel. Hardly someone who is anti Israel. Weprins downfall was his vote for gay marriage. The Hareidim in Flatbush area of Brooklyn have come together to oust any politician that in the past supported gays. This is the fact. The outside secular media wrongly reported that it was an Israeli issue. They are dead wrong.

pearshapedthings

erev rav like shmarya

PishPosh

Beating them to a pulp would have been a Mitzvah for the Arabs.

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