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April 30, 2012

Israel's Jobless Rate Soars – At Least On Paper

Israeli Flag photo closeupIsrael just changed the way it gathers statistics to count the unemployed in order to bring the country's system closer with practices closer in line in the rest of the developed world. The first results of this new system? A shocking jump in the actual number of the unemployed.

 

Israel's Jobless Rate Soars – At Least On Paper
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Israel just changed the way it gathers statistics to count the unemployed in order to bring the country's system closer in line with practices in the rest of the developed world. The first results of this new system? A shocking jump in the actual number of the unemployed.

Israeli government economists were quick to stress this new tally did not indicate an actual change in Israel's economy, but the result is jarring.

Under the old way of counting, Israel's unemployment rate was 5.4%.

Under the new system it is 6.8%.

Israel made about 40 changes in the way it surves its labor market, including adding soldiers – which Israel count as fully employed – to including 100 additional cities and towns in the counting. It also now conducts its survey monthly instead of quarterly.

The new results stunned Israeli economists.

"For the past few years, everyone was scratching their heads as to why wages were not going up and why there were no inflation pressures from the labor market because the previous unemployment rates showed Israel at full employment," economist Jonathan Katz told the Israeli business daily Globes. "Now ... there is some slack in the labor force," he said. "It now makes more sense -- but I don't know what they were measuring before."

Israel's jobless rate is still well below much of Europe's, where unemployment rates above 9% are the norm. The U.S. unemployment rate is 8.2%

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>> The U.S. unemployment rate is 8.2%

Now now Shmarya, the Obama Administration does take into account Worforce Contraction (people who gave up looking for work because it's hopeless) when putting together the unemployment statistics.

In other words, the US unemployment rate is higher than 8.2% and Obama is a dirty politician who plays games with the numbers.

Posted by: BULL SHIT DETECTOR | April 30, 2012 at 01:18 PM

Please.

The rate was counted the same way in previous US administrations – including Republican administrations.

All countries do something like that – including Israel.

>> The rate was counted the same way in previous US administrations – including Republican administrations. All countries do something like that – including Israel.

Perhaps. However, Obama promised to be the most transparent government EVER.

Just because other politicians play game with the statistics does not give any politician the moral right to play games with the statistics.

Posted by: BULL SHIT DETECTOR | April 30, 2012 at 01:18 PM

Please.

From 2002 (the Bush Administration:

"To be counted as unemployed, you must have taken steps that could have led to a job, such as knocking on a door, asking somebody for a job, sending out resumes or making phone calls," said Tom Hale, an economist with the Labor Department's Bureau of Labor Statistics.

"You must have actively sought a job. A passive search, such as flipping through newspaper classified ads or surfing Internet job sites isn't enough," Hale said.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2002/11/17/BU239666.DTL#ixzz1tYHSsCMJAll countries count in ways similar to this.

What would happen if they didn't?

Israel's unemployment rate would be well over 10%.

Past that, the word transparent means that you can see how something is done and what was done and why it was done.

How the US counts its unemployed has been very public information for at lest a decade, and you can read or listen to news media stating the unemployment rate followed by the estimated rate when counting those who have given up looking for work.

Unlike your assertion, it's actually the normal way unemployment is covered in the media.

most politicians are full of B S...T, with not only stats. you are not much of a bull shit dectector as you hold yourself out to be. the most transparent government ever, ooooooh!

>> All countries count in ways similar to this. What would happen if they didn't? Israel's unemployment rate would be well over 10%.


HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLEEEEEEEEEEELUUUUUJAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PRAAAAAAAAAAAAAISE THE LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWD THE TRUTH COMEEEETH OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unemployment statistics would be honest if everyone without a job was counted no matter what and politicians would be kicked out of office.


>> Unlike your assertion, it's actually the normal way unemployment is covered in the media.

I agree with your assertion Shmarya and it is indeed a problem that reported figures aren't close enough to what the reality is.

Sigh.

And what would happen if Israel was forced to count haredim who REFUSE to work?

It would cost Israel hundreds of millions of dollars (if not more) every year in higher costs of loans, etc.

You really need to know something about economics before you criticize.

I see what goes on.

Haredim fucks over Israel with their laziness. In turn, Israel fucks over its creditors with nonsense statistics.

Cool story bro.

I however was talking about B. Hussein Obama. What is Obama's excuse for the fuzzy math? Because everyone else does it is not a moral justification for anything.


Under the new system it is 6.8%.
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Israel's jobless rate is still well below much of Europe's, where unemployment rates above 9% are the norm. The U.S. unemployment rate is 8.2%

I am astonished that despite all the haredim not working that Israel should have such a (comparatively) low unemployment rate.

I am astonished that despite all the haredim not working that Israel should have such a (comparatively) low unemployment rate.

Posted by: Deb | April 30, 2012 at 03:11 PM

The haredim are not counted because they are not seeking to enter the workforce.

Unemployment statistics would be honest if everyone without a job was counted no matter what and politicians would be kicked out of office.
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So if Israel were honest, the unemployment rate would be what - 40%, after counting all of the haredim males and females, and the other orthodox males and females that don't work?

I see what goes on.

Haredim fucks over Israel with their laziness. In turn, Israel fucks over its creditors with nonsense statistics.

No.

You are completely misrepresenting the situation, either because you don't know what your talking about or because you're lying.

EVERYONE knows the haredim largely do not work and EVERYONE knows they are not counted.

For God's sake, the World Bank and other major international orgs have been insisting on Israel finding ways to get haredim to work for years.

NO ONE is being deceived.

What you're asking for is that the US and Israel should count their unemployed differently from the rest of the Western World, in a way that would be HARMFUL to us.

You simply have no idea what you're talking about.

Why aren't the Charedim counted? Also, they should be counted separately so Israeli's can see what lazy good-for-nothing SOB's they are.

Shmarya focus!


>> What you're asking for is that the US and Israel should count their unemployed differently from the rest of the Western World, in a way that would be HARMFUL to us.

You're conflating 2 separate countries the USA and Israel and then are suggesting harm if Israel gives more accurate unemployment stats.

I need you to attempt to establish whats the harm to the USA for the USA to give more accurate unemployment stats.

I'm tryin to talk about the USA and u gave a cool story about how haredim fucks israel and how financial orgs lets israel fuck them.

i'm tryin to talk about the USA as per your throwing around the 8.2% number that even you can admit is not accurate! Just because the media and the government gives a stat we're all bitches to the government and the media and not to what the actual TRUTH of the matter is?

Posted by: Bull Shit Detector | April 30, 2012 at 04:29 PM

You're either deranged or incredibly poorly educated.

Pretty much all countries count unemployed members of the workforce by counting people who are ACTIVELY LOOKING FOR WORK and by excluding unemployed who are not actively looking for work.

What you're demanding is for the US (and Israel) to count unemployed who are not actively looking for work as unemployed members of the workforce – meaning our unemployment numbers would soar which in turn would negatively impact investment, loans, etc., in our two countries.

But all you care about is using these numbers to attack Obama.

What you need to do is go back to school (or go to school for the first time) and get yourself an education.

For the record you started talking about Israel and not me. And yes I do think that every country should stop playing games with the numbers and just count everyone without a job in the name of honesty and transparency.

If you want to talk about killing investment, there are other things that kills investment. We can talk about B. Hussein Obama killing the keystone oil pipeline between the USA and Canada. I mean, whose side is Obama on? OPEC or the American people?

Also secondly, it seems to me that loans is more based on individual credit & risk.

I just want honesty from the government. It just so happens that being honest would seal B. Hussein Obama's political fate.

I just want honesty from the government. It just so happens that being honest would seal B. Hussein Obama's political fate.

Posted by: Bull Shit Detector | April 30, 2012 at 04:52 PM

You display an incredible level of ignorance coupled with irrational hatred of Obama.

Besides going back to school, try getting yourself some therapy.

I don't hate Obama it just seems to me from every perspective, left right and center, that Obama is a total failure.

Let me ask you Shmarya, what exactly was Obama successful in?

OK we have killing bin laden. k fine.

what else?

The haredim are not counted because they are not seeking to enter the workforce.

Posted by: Shmarya | April 30, 2012 at 03:12 PM

Not too comforting that 6.8% of the country wants to work but the economy is not robust enough to employ them. I shutter to think what the ramifications would be if the haredim should (halevei) decide to work with such a sluggish economy where would the jobs come from?

I just want honesty from the government. It just so happens that being honest would seal B. Hussein Obama's political fate.

Posted by: Bull Shit Detector | April 30, 2012 at 04:52 PM

Gutting al-Qaeada generally.

Healthcare reform.

Stopping America's fall into a real economic depression.

Saving hundreds of thousands of jobs in and related to the auto industry.

Staying sane in the face of illiterate, illogical and factually incorrect attacks from Republicans and people like you.

: Bull Shit Detector -

what exactly was Obama successful in?

i promise to answer that as long as you first provide a list of what GWB accomplished in his 8 years. that will provide me with some perspective as to what you consider "success".

test 1 minute for my next post i wanted to see if li and ol works here.

* yawn *

ok one by one.

Gutting al-Qaeada generally.

Obama compromised US security in at least 5 levels.

1) failing to secure the border. 1a) not doing anything about hizbolla's cooporation with mexican drug cartels.

2) failure to make progress on stopping nuclear proliferation while unilaterally disarming the USA vis a vis NATO & Russia and also failing to modernize the US' nuclear arsenal and instead wants to shrink it.

3) There was some enhanced interrogation techniques that didn't cross red lines too badly that would be used by the intelligence community to punk terrorists into talking. Since Obama made these enhanced techniques public by banning them Obama as made it so there's less information that can be gathered since terrorists now know they can shut up more thanks to Obama.

4) Announcing dates of withdrawl from Iraq and Afghanistan so terrorists are just biding their time. It is the equivalent of a bully at a schoolyard taking a break from beating up the little kids while the monitor is around and then when the monitor leaves the bully goes back to beating up little kids.

5) supporting ousting mubarak from egypt. now the Muslim Brotherhood has the majority in Egypt's parliament and that is NOT good news for either the USA or for Israel for that matter.

Healthcare reform.


Not only does it look like Obamacare is going to fail its judicial review, more people are without health insurance since obamacare passed. when you fix shit, the problem is supposed to be fixed. not worse.

Stopping America's fall into a real economic depression.

This is nonsense there is no way to measure the veracity of this claim.

Saving hundreds of thousands of jobs in and related to the auto industry.

Several things I would like to say about this.

1) GM paid no taxes in a blatant case of crony capitalism.

2) The Chevy Volt that Obama and other environmentalists was masturbating over doesn't sell very well.

3) in the auto bailouts, winners and losers were picked by the government

4) Chrysler and GM would have came out of bankruptcy court just fine.

the only thing the auto bailout did was give car companies non-transparent taxpayer dollars and socialize the industry.

Staying sane

not even that. lol

here's one youtube vid

here's another

Youtube vids are endless on the matter. By the way Shmarya, I learned from Obama that the USA has FIFTY SEVEN STATES!!!!!! OMFG amazing!!1111

Ah-pee

I'm not gonna go down your road the truth has to stand on its own without help from anything else.

Posted by: BUL SHIT DETECTOR | April 30, 2012 at 06:02 PM

1. What you write is demonstrably false, but you keep writing it nonetheless.

2. The reason you were banned previously, SJ,was that you kept posting insane, irrational lies and you refused to acknowledge any proof from anyone that you were wrong.

3. Now go tell your parents that you're a Jesus freak so they can take away your car privileges and ground you – and, with some luck, get you on the meds you sorely need.

Really?

This turned into an Obama discussion?

Really?

Israeli unemployment soars? Young Israelis can't find suitable housing in the cities? This is all just a trifling inconvienience for liberal, bleeding heart jews who advocate opening the floodgates to African refugees and employ Torah justification for it. I stand with those who want to take care of thier own first and foremost in Yisrael.

Rebitzman,

If Obama cured cancer, BSD would complain about how the morticians are out of work now. Why is everyone feeding an obvious troll?

the Obama Administration does take into account Worforce Contraction (people who gave up looking for work because it's hopeless) when putting together the unemployment statistics.
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Yeah, I think Mimi is right here that this is trolling (this thread is about Israel revising their data gathering and reporting methods which has nothing to do with Obama) It is actually well known that employment statistics do not capture those who have dropped out of the labor force. That is a valid issue to be aware of. However I am surprised anyone would associate this with the Obama administration.

Just because a statistic doesn't capture an effect you are interested in is no reason to get in a huff.

Perhaps it would make more sense for countries to measure their adult labor force participation rate instead of the unemployment rate to get a better idea of how their economies were doing. Unemployment rates really don't mean much if they exclude all the people who have given up looking for work. When the labor force participation rate is used, Israel does not compare favorably with many other developed countries because of the high percentage of Haredi adults not in the labor force.

I think that a lot of poor religious Jews are going to be very disappointed if the Republicans actually do win big in November. The Republicans want to cut welfare programs, including food stamps and Medicaid. Personally, I feel better with Obama in the White House than I did when the Chief Decider was in charge. And yes, I am better off than I was four years ago.

Obama has employed Bush staff and Cabinet level officers, and has continued Bush economic and military policies almost across the board. Yet the ignorant trolls who imbibe propaganda from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity and Faux News are incapable of seeing that.

A plague on both their houses! This year I endorse NOBODY. Not that anyone asked.

>Yet the ignorant trolls who imbibe propaganda from the likes of Limbaugh, Hannity

well, it seems these republicans want to downgrade Obama and not work with him so they can get him out of office. Once he's out of office they plan to implement the same (or similar) kind of policies.

Re: Republican and Democratic policies - I saw this over the weekend, if anyone is interested. One of the most important programs of its kind I've seen.

Big Money, Big Media, Big Trouble - Moyers & Co.

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