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March 11, 2012

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Joe Field

Nothing offensive about the effigy of haman and his sons, and if the niggers, queers, spics, wops and guineas don't like it they can go fuck themselves.
Posted by: BiF | March 11, 2012 at 04:48 PM

You racist creep.

Neighbor

my car can be seen on the video parked nearby
I was there during the interview and noticed how the reporter was looking for anyone to speak to him and of course who has time to speak to him on purim, there walks by this non jewish women and the reporter jumps to her and begs for her to say a few words (she was smoking and had to throw away her half smoked cig) anyway the guy was bored out of his mind and had to make a story, then Mr Sapira walked by and gave him a few words.
I didn't see anyone there taking offence of the dead Effigies

seymour

Wow, so no one else noticed these two comments which imply that the Jews caused the Holocaust? Disgusting.

Posted by: Shmendrik | March 12, 2012 at 07:18 AM


maybe they where referring to pograms

Junarchist

i like haredim about as much as motzei shabbat gas, but in their defense they are so ignorant of american history that they probably have no clue about these things.

Shmendrik

I hope that the arrogence and lack of human values by these hareidim doesn't lead to a backlash as it did in Europe of the 1930's.

Posted by: Robert Wisler | March 11, 2012 at 08:47 AM

Ditto. A constant fear of mine.

Posted by: Bas Melech


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Wow, so no one else noticed these two comments which imply that the Jews caused the Holocaust? Disgusting.

David

Watch the video. Notice the truck bumping into the effigies hanging over a public street. Somebody didn't calculate the vertical clearance right - their cable is sagging too much. They are, however, well below power lines, although not entirely clear of phone lines.

Posted by: John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA | March 11, 2012 at 01:54 PM

In other words, made to traditional frumma engineering standards.

Unfortunately, from the frumma, I have seen far worse and far more dangerous.

In addition, is it a public utility cable that these are hanging from or did they install their own? Also, if they installed it themselves (regardless of any permission issues) I doubt that it or the structures hanging from it are very strong. One of the effigies, or the whole assembly, could fall and interefere with a driver's vision or an effigie could fall on someone and injure them if heavy enough (and even a lightweight item could seriously harm an infant).

Were the structures water resistant so that if it rained they would not fall? Were they designed to withstand a high wind? Was there a plan to remove them after Purim or would they expect city authorities to second-guess them and remove it when the frumma failed to do so? To whom should the city send the bill if this was the case?

So much to think about and so much beyond the capacity, understanding and decency of the frumma to understand or care...

The frumma have very little common sense, respect for the law and knowledge of how to design or make things.

Suk A Big Weenee

They looked like Obama and the Demoncratic leadershit!

Brad Greenwood

Sorry about the non sequitur at the end. Poor writing on my part.

Brad Greenwood

Seeing this, I am glad I step outside into a cool evening breeze, off the ocean, in northern California. I thought we (and Texas) had the franchise on lunatics; apparently not. BTW, I know all about Purim... and have never seen people hung in effigy. To be fair though, deranged Christians in the Philippines nail an ACTUAL human being to a cross to commemorate Easter. Why do the Haredi always look like they need a bath?

Office of the Chief Rabbi

Where'd the racist trolls come from ?

Yoel Mechanic

Imagine an American, hanging up effigies of 12 Hassidic Jews, claiming that his ancestors were Canaanites, and he is celebrating the distruction of Jerusalem, because the jews killed out all seven nations old and young.

Posted by: Dovid | March 11, 2012 at 01:32 PM
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I guess this means that those who are conscious of their descent from King Agag will be very unhappy to see this display in Brooklyn.

Yoel Mechanic

Chicago Sam: why are you taking W4M seriously? He's pretending to be Chareidi, giving voice to stereotypes of ones' worst suspicions to stir up further negativity or even animosity.

chicago sam

This story makes a good purim story...especially the dumb remarks we have heard from some of the chevra, especially the comments from waiting4 Moshiach. Hate to tell you , none of the " goyim" are going to serve you...maybe the Moshiach will make you serve them!

Jack

I have yet to hear a cogent argument as to why this isn't the fault of the people who are offended. THEY are the ones who assumed malintent, out of pure ignorance, rather than taking the time to inquire and understand why the effigies were hung.

Someone complaining about racism based on the mere sight of hanging effigies is an ignoramus. The world doesn't stop turning because you may be offended by something even though there is no reason to be offended at all. I'm not OK with this bandwagon that says anything that could possibly be TAKEN as offensive even though it ISN'T is therefore in bad taste. The assumption that something MUST be bad if a poor, sensitive crybaby thinks it is, is completely lunatic.

Yoel Mechanic

A Purim display of questionable taste: sounds like a newsworthy topic to me.

SkepticalYid

Nothing offensive about the effigy of haman and his sons, and if the niggers, queers, spics, wops and guineas don't like it they can go fuck themselves.

Posted by: BiF | March 11, 2012 at 04:48 PM


You're a strong argument for retroactive abortion.

mimi

I think that it was an innocent oversight, but if one is hurting ones neighbors by using hanging bodies (a common bullying tactic towards Blacks by hate groups is hanging of bodies)one should think twice about the decorations. Not saying they should be banned, but maybe some self regulation here.

Beth Frank-Backman

Re: traditions - there is a medieval tradition of burning Haman in effigy, but hanging out Haman and all of his sons all day - I've never heard of that.

Burning captures the notion of wiping out and could be viewed psychologically as a way of purifying oneself from the effects of evil, i.e. destroying its effects. Hanging in a line to stare at is a form of symbolic gloating and nothing more.

Beth Frank-Backman

AztecQueen2000: nor I.

I find this sort of display very offensive. This is all about vengeance. We lower ourselves to the level of Haman if we think that celebrating salvation requires gloating over the death and suffering of others.

There's a reason mischloch manot, tzedakah, and a meal are the Purim mitzvot: they are about sustaining life. These manequins have nothing to do with Purim and everything to do with the culture of hate that is being nurtured in certain parts of that community.

Rebitzman

@semour

I am sitting at dinner with an Immam - think I'll take his word on this (no offense intended).

seymour

and the Haman in the Koran IS in fact the same Haman mentioned in the Esther story.

Posted by: rebitzman | March 11, 2012 at 04:00 PM

no he is not

2. Hāmān According To The Qur’an: A Brief Character Analysis

Haman is mentioned by name in six verses of the Qur’an.[1] From these six verses we can deduce Haman is one of the characters depicted in the confrontation between Moses and Pharaoh, indicating it is this part of the story where the context of Haman can be properly established. Other characters that form part of this narrative are Hārūn (Prophet, supporter of Moses) and Qarūn. Three other characters, al-Samiri, the unidentified servant and the servant of God, do not play a role in the confrontation though they are part of the larger Moses narrative. One of the most vividly described and oft-repeated head-to-head confrontations in the Qur’an, this story can be found dispersed throughout many sūrahs. Based primarily on the principal continuous text portions we can indeed discover the Qur’anic Haman, and reach a more useful assessment of his character than simply listing the verses containing his name.

Rebitzman

I wasn't aware that hanging effigies was part of the mitzvot of Purim.

As you know - it's not. But it has been part of the minchag for centuries.

BiF

Nothing offensive about the effigy of haman and his sons, and if the niggers, queers, spics, wops and guineas don't like it they can go fuck themselves.

AztecQueen2000

I wasn't aware that hanging effigies was part of the mitzvot of Purim.

Jack

Dr. Dave, do you think that burning effigies in protests should be banned, because we have a black president? Or because other black people might be offended?

I think that they are hypocritical, yes, since they fought the atheist billboards. But that doesn't change the fact that the people complaining are being whiny crybabies who didn't bother to understand the purpose of the effigies before deciding that they were offended.

rebitzman

@semour

While Book of Esther is not part of the "New Testament" it is part of the Xtian bible (that part called the "Old Testament"), and the Haman in the Koran IS in fact the same Haman mentioned in the Esther story.

Dr. Dave, not old enough to know better

Gee, effigies hanging in Borough Park. No one cares about how it affects the other people living in the neighborhood.

What if someone were to put up a large sign in that neighborhood extolling atheism.

I guess that would be OK with these people as it is alright to force your beliefs in the public square on others.

Jack

Even as someone who is fervently anti-Haredi, I think this is absurd.

Sorry, but people were being hung in effigy LONG before lynching of blacks in uglier parts of our history. Hanging in effigy is a longstanding thing, and to say that any hanging in effigy should not be allowed as offensive to blacks is nonsense.

This is a case of people being easily offended crybabies.

John Nagle, Silicon Valley, CA

Watch the video. Notice the truck bumping into the effigies hanging over a public street. Somebody didn't calculate the vertical clearance right - their cable is sagging too much. They are, however, well below power lines, although not entirely clear of phone lines.

New York City has clear rules on signs, billboards, and other advertising stuff. See "http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/downloads/pdf/signbroch.pdf". (There's history behind this. Look at pictures of NYC from the 1920s. Billboard clutter was far worse than today.) The NYC building department requires a sign permit for signage over 6 square feet. Signs which could potentially fall on somebody have to be hung by a licensed contractor or sign hanger. There are zoning restrictions depending on the area; big and bright is required in Times Square, small and unobtrusive is required in residential areas.

And no, there's no exemption for religious stuff. That would be a violation of the establishment clause in the Constitution.

A Purim display is fine if it complies with the rules for signs. Hanging those figures on the front of a building could be approved. But over a public street, at low level? No way.

If it's still up, call 311 and complain.

Holmes

I love how the dorks on News 12 say "pure-im."

Dovid

Imagine an American, hanging up effigies of 12 Hassidic Jews, claiming that his ancestors were Canaanites, and he is celebrating the distruction of Jerusalem, because the jews killed out all seven nations old and young.

Jeff

It is obvious he is a hoax because anyone who has spent time in the heavy frum and chareidi areas will immediately recognize that no one actually talks or thinks like him.

Well, I don't know that I can agree with that, but it is time for him to go.

Yoel Mechanic

W4M is a troll, sock-puppeteer and fraud. I was perhaps the very first to point this out, and more and more people are realizing this all the time. It is obvious he is a hoax because anyone who has spent time in the heavy frum and chareidi areas will immediately recognize that no one actually talks or thinks like him. Rather he is feeding into some stereotypes for the purpose of further stoking hatred. He should be the one to take responsibility for the racist things he says, and the hatred it exacerbates.. and now we can see the results. He is only a parody of other oddballs. Anyone wishing to structure of a conversation on prejudicial attitudes (that you can find in any community) will have to take that conversation to another venue since the atmosphere here has been so thoroughly poisoned.

Yechiel

Never an apology. They put on an act of shrieking and crying on Yom Kippur and then accuse the "goy'im" of anti-Semitism when a non-Jew dares stand up for decency. I hope that the arrogence and lack of human values by these hareidim doesn't lead to a backlash as it did in Europe of the 1930's.

Posted by: Robert Wisler | March 11, 2012 at 08:47 AM

The modernized secular ones were not spared either...

Jeff

Fred, as Mike said, W4M is a parody. I keep saying that he ceased to be amusing a long time ago (and I never found him so).

On the other hand, your remarks above - and your linking to that video - are inappropriate and sickening. If that's what is lurking beneath your surface, and it only takes a blog comment to set you off - you have a problem.

Shmarya, W4M is starting to become dangerous. It's time to put a stop to him, don't you think?

Sophisticated Society

Hey, Mr. Sophisticateds:

Why focus on whats hanging in Brooklyn when you can focus on Angelina Jolie's thigh, or others' private body parts not kept private (not frowned upon in modern society)?

Are you that bored? Live it up, man. Talking inferior treatment of women- Has this month's issue of Boytoy or something that rhymes, not come out yet?

ENJOY, man!

Mike

First off, let me make one thing clear: I have no resentment or hatred of any kind for Non-Jews whatsoever. I am not trying to defend the frum mindset, becase it's disgusting. But first off, W4M is a parody, and his comments only intend to reflect and ridicule the frum mindset. I can understand if you thought it was horrible, but turning around and calling Jews filthy money grubbing devil's children is completely unacceptable.

Mike

W4M is a PARODY. He makes comments that reflect what the frum reaction would be, and shows how completely ridiculous it sounds. YOU on the other are going around calling Jews "the devil's children." Not to mention stinky, and on a mental state less than monkeys. Yeah, if you really want to play the quote game go right ahead. All I can say is that if you are going to say things like that about Jews, than GTFO.

And I'm another victim to trolling. Damn.

chicago sam

If Jews act like jerks, how can there not be?

Bas Melech

I hope that the arrogence and lack of human values by these hareidim doesn't lead to a backlash as it did in Europe of the 1930's.

Posted by: Robert Wisler | March 11, 2012 at 08:47 AM

Ditto. A constant fear of mine.

Bas Melech

W4M

Are you telling us about your Purim shpeil?

Mike

What about all the children who pass by in their parents cars? It could possibly affect them negativley as well. I doubt seeing manequins hanging by their necks would really make a good impression. In any case, there's nothing wrong with celebrating, but you should take in mind that you share a city with others, and should do whatever it takes to make sure anything you're doing doesn't offend them (But the guys in Boro Park don't think like that do they?). Also Shmarya could ban this guy on top of me? I mean seiously, the trolling is ridiculous.

Waiting4Moshiach

Why not train them? We could open a school fo rthem, have it credited by the state and except government vouchers that they have to retrain people without jobs. Being a shabbos goy for us is better than being unemployed, but if we have a rule that you have to go to this school before you can get a job, it would be like the rule with electricians. same idea, and it would help both us and them.

chicago sam

Satmere are racist, sexist, corrupt, crazy, unethical, myopic, smelly, greedy, child molestors, enemies of progress...they would all make great cockroaches.

seymour

Posted by: Aaron | March 11, 2012 at 09:52 AM

I do not think the book of Esther is part of the new testament

the haman mention in the koran has nothing to do with the story of Esther it is just a different person with the same name
he was a guy dutting moses time

are you a troll who is trying to claim the book of Esther is real because others mention a guy by the same name

seymour

the problem is the frumma have no concept of the other or the other are simply stupid.

one needs to know why hanging on a noose one is offensive in the USA. However, for that one needs to study learn USA history which i am sure is in short supply.

In addition the main thing about the purim story (if it really happened all indication are that it is simply a story, fantasy) is that the Jews where saved.

I thought under halacha or tradition it was not right to be overly joyful of the death of your enemy.

But again no one ever accused of black hatters to know real halacha.

remember they think MP is halacha when any person with a pee brain can tell that the Talmud clearly says it was for medical reasons and nowhere does it say it must be done by the mouth.

Yosef ben Matitya

Avi, are you really that stupid, or are you just a troll? re - Seconded.
often the israeli gilgul, is even uglier and stupider that the diaspora originals.


Aaron

W4M - Train the goyim? The Book of Esther is part of the Christian bible and Haman is mentioned 6 times in the Quran. MOST of the people in this neighborhood know - or should know the story as it is part of their tradition as well. It is certainly not "our" responsibility to teach "them" their own "book".

The hanging in effigy of Haman and his ten sons during Purim is not a new "custom" - and I would bet hard cash it has been done in this place before. This appears (IMO) to be the result of a slow news day.

Oh - and you are still a troll.

Waiting4Moshiach

We need to do a better job of training the goyim so that they understand how we live. Since the goyim send their kids to public schools, that is where we should begin. Their english classes should have lessons on our holidays and beliefs so that there is no misunderstanding. If any of them shows a talent in this study, we can hire him as a shabbos goy for a few dollars. Of course when Moshiach comes the goyim will fight eachotehr for the chance to serve us and houses near ours will cost extra.

Shoshi

Honestly, I have seen lots of creepy things on Halloween. Including a black family who displayed a black "corpse" in their front yard. It really bothered me, although I realize that they probably wouldn't have felt right putting a white corpse out (like so many white people do)! (I don't live in Brookyn, however. Maybe holiday decorations are less disturbing/threatening there? Maybe to make up for the generally more disturbing and threatening atmosphere the rest of the year?)

Jeff

Wait until those same neighbors hear about metzizah b'peh.

You know, I find it hard enough trying to explain kapparot to them. In fact, I don't explain it. I once told a gentile friend about it; he was incredulous and I was mortified. I haven't tried since.

What would I tell them, anyway - that once a year, my nephew swings a live chicken over his head, then sacrifices it?

What an abomination Orthodoxy has become (not that it was in such great shape before).

Rebitzman

This is part of the Purim custom. None of the figures were black (which makes the"nigger" comment just baffling)- were clearly representative of Haman and his sons, and people in that neighborhood (not to mention here) really need to lighten up.

WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar

Neighbors should already be accustomed to the bizarro behavior of the frumma freaks.

TheRealJoe

That news report sounds a little dumb making a whole big deal about something that they got 1 phone call about oh well not so surprised it is ch12 after all.

Robert Wisler

Never an apology. They put on an act of shrieking and crying on Yom Kippur and then accuse the "goy'im" of anti-Semitism when a non-Jew dares stand up for decency. I hope that the arrogence and lack of human values by these hareidim doesn't lead to a backlash as it did in Europe of the 1930's.

Steven

Tell them it's a pinata and give them metal poles.

SkepticalYid

No one hangs mannikins above the street on halloween. They just wear costumes- like people celebrating Purim. So there's no double standard at all.

WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar

Wait until those same neighbors hear about metzizah b'peh.

yu

But on Halloween in the very same Boro Park the same thing is done with gory masks on top and not a Peep a double standard at its best

Sol

Despicable, and so are the ones that show Jesus being crucified on the cross.

Isa

All my life I lived in Minnesota, until now that I am in Texas...

Here in the South... Black people take GRAVE offense at the sight of a hangman's noose or some hanging effigy

Jeff

Avi, are you really that stupid, or are you just a troll?

Seconded.

Meanwhile, a drunken, semi-literate (even when sober, I'm sure) Satmar in a cowboy hat hanging mannequins from a power line sure makes me want to be religious.

I think the only "miracle" in evidence here is that none of these fools got electrocuted.

moti

In England on 5th November people burn effigies of "guy fawkes"

A. Nuran

Let's have eleven niggers or jews or persians hanging in effigy in the town square. It's just like Christmas decorations.

Avi, are you really that stupid, or are you just a troll?

Avi Rosenthal, Jerusalem

How is Hareidim hanging 11 effigies across the street on Purim different from the City of New York hanging Christmas decorations across the streets in December? Also, this shows Gentile ignorance of the "Old Testament".

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