Video: More Babies Infected With Herpes Through Haredi Penis Sucking Ritual

Two babies were infected with Herpes Simplex 1 in Rockland County in 2009 through metzitzah b'peh.

 

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[Shoshi]

Anybody have more specific information available about those 2009 cases? Is this the first or only place it has been mentioned in the media?

[BetterSafe]

One needs to do lots of research to help protect our children.

MBP should be deemed illegal but a law should also be passed that prohibits the use of anything but breastfeeding of babies during the first year of life.

The National Institute of Health researchers concluded that promoting breastfeeding can potentially prevent up to 720 postneonatal deaths in the U.S. each year. 720 children per year!

Children who were breastfed had 20% lower risk of dying between 28 days and one year than children who weren't breastfed. Longer breastfeeding was associated with lower risk.

http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/may2004/niehs-02.htm

[Dovit]

What kind of person equates bottle feeding with genital herpes? You want to live with genital herpes? Good - then go get yourself metzizah bpeh'd by a herpetic rabbi.

[DK]

Bettersafe is pretending not to understand the actual numbers of people who do metzizah b'peh versus those that don't breastfeed, or the role of inaction versus direct consequence of hiring a pedophile to suck your baby's penis.

Bettersafe is a haredi apologist for sucking baby penis blood with one's bare mouth. Right, bettersafe?

[Shmarya]

Anybody have more specific information available about those 2009 cases? Is this the first or only place it has been mentioned in the media?

Posted by: Shoshi | March 16, 2012 at 08:50 AM

First? Yes.

Only? Yes.

But that's because of a snafu elsewhere. There should be more reporting soon.

[jancsipista]

This metzitzah b'peh is the most devient perverted behaviour that humanity can conjure up let alone act on it sick mindless and animalistic and to top that they see it as a holy act this all from the minds of hassidim whos payes is the pahallic symbol.

[BetterSafe]

Posted by: Dovit | March 16, 2012 at 09:02 AM

Posted by: DK | March 16, 2012 at 09:12 AM

Are you guys nuts! The first thing that I said was that MBP should be declared illegal! I simply said that more should be done to protect children.

One needs to do lots of research to help protect our children.

MBP should be deemed illegal ...

Posted by: BetterSafe | March 16, 2012 at 08:57 AM

[Doniel]

thank you for keeping this issue in the spotlight and hopefully garnering more media attention of it. We just have to keep responding using real terms to show how this is indefensible. I think it is excellent that you keep using the "penis-sucking ritual" term for it, whereas other keep saying Metzitah, which doesn't have quite the same effect, and you are forced to face what is actually going on here.

i am reminded of the dialogue from a South Park episode about the NAMBLA (pedophile) group:
Lead Agent: [to NAMBLA leader] We've been after you for a long time, buddy! Do you know your rights?
NAMBLA Leader: Rights? Does anybody know their rights? You see, I've learned something today. Our forefathers came to this country because...they believed in an idea. An idea called "freedom." They wanted to live in a place where a group couldn't be prosecuted for their beliefs. Where a person can live the way he chooses to live. You see us as being perverted because we're different from you. People are afraid of us, because they don't understand. And sometimes it's easier to persecute than to understand.
Kyle: Dude, you have sex with children!
NAMBLA Leader: We are human. Most of us didn't even choose to be attracted to young boys. We were born that way. We can't help the way we are, and if you all can't understand that, well, then, I guess you'll just have to put us away.
Kyle: [slowly] Dude. You have sex with children!
Stan: Yeah. You know, we believe in equality for everybody, and tolerance, and all that gay stuff, but dude, fuck you.
Kyle: Seriously.

Now just change "Have sex with children" (actually you may not need to since the mohel is basically fellating the child, even if not for pleasure) with Metzitzah

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

++jancsipista | March 16, 2012 at 09:14 AM++

I totally agree. It is like a gift for antisemites everywhere, who are laughing their heads off when they hear about MBP.

Even if MBP was 100% from the written Torah, it is so disgusting and obviously hazardous that no rabbi should have allowed it to be practiced.
I am not an expert on the Torah, but I believe there are commentaries that talk about certain practices that are not done because of the impression it would make on nonJews, or otherwise is not a good idea to carry out, such as the death penalty for a child who is considered 'a glutton', and other such 'laws' that are clearly impossible to carry out without ending up in prison.
As I stated on earlier threads, you have to be completely mentally ill to justify MBP.

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

Doniel, it is always amazing how the regressive behavior of frumma is parodied so easily on cartoon shows.
Because the frumma are so amazingly backward and ignorant, they lack any insight into how they come across, and so you have rabbis defending MBP with the same script as a South Park episode.
There was a thread here about a frummer who smuggled cigarettes, and the frumma were defending him with the same script as the Simpsons episode where Fat Tony defending smuggling cigarettes.

"Would you smuggle bread if your family was hungry?"
"What if, instead of bread, your family wanted cigarettes?"

[flat earth]

Would a simple leeching be kosher?

[Doniel]

WSC, Poe's law is basically a weekly occurrence at this point.

[Doniel]

WSC- By the way, we havent even addressed the danger here. it is so outlandish, that the point remains even without discussing the herpes issue here. the rationale is "So...NU? A couple of kids may or may not get sick. the oilam sticking to an interpretation that does not hold water any more, and showing our undying allegiance to DAAS ketanim, to make a clear distinction between those who will blindly obey, and those that need to be forced out, is more important!

(Sorry for the run-on)

[WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar]

It never ceases to amaze me how the hasidic cult mentality will rationalize a behavior, no matter what that behavior is.

[Shoshi]

This metzitzah b'peh is the most devient perverted behaviour that humanity can conjure up let alone act on it sick mindless and animalistic and to top that they see it as a holy act this all from the minds of hassidim whos payes is the pahallic symbol.

Posted by: jancsipista | March 16, 2012 at 09:14 AM

I honestly don't think it would have been deviant or perverted in days when hygiene was very primitive and there weren't easy ways to prevent infection. A blood flow through a wound can be helpful in pushing out contaminants, etc.

But I TOTALLY think this should be eliminated now and making up reasons to hang on to it is extremely typical of the problem of fundamentalist thinking.

[jancsipista]

wsc-i wrotre this before the first time i saw it done i was 9 years old in europe i turned half waf i got so scared i tought i was hallucinating i am sure it was done on me also since we lived in the heart of theese satmerers we lived 30 miles from satmer i see it this way they are like body or soul snatchers they want to dominate other jews any which way they can get away with this is one method to overpower and dominate of course the parents have chickened out since if they open their mouth they would be ranked out by theese hassidim if they refuse so they dominate the parents and as the saying goes do what they say because they are crazy and crazies are dangerous you know the saying

[jewishwhistleblower]

This is absurd. Brit Milah itself is never performed if it poses ANY danger to the infant. You simply delay it until it is safe to perform. MPB is a known danger. Most people have HSV-1 and babies do not have a fully developed immune system. There is no way to perform MPD today without significant danger to the baby. Testing the mohel simply does not work. How many babies must die or suffer permanent brain damage before the State acts to do what Agudath Israel and Satmar refuse to do? Protect innocent children from unnecessary harm.

[jewishwhistleblower]

"The practice of metzitzah b'peh was implicated in the transfer of herpes from mohelim to eight Israeli infants, one of whom suffered brain damage."
http://journals.lww.com/stdjournal/Fulltext/2003/10000/Is_Herpes_Simplex_Virus_Type_1__HSV_1__Now_More.13.aspx

[jewishwhistleblower]

Linked wrong article:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/114/2/e259.full.pdf

[Shoshi]

It never ceases to amaze me how the hasidic cult mentality will rationalize a behavior, no matter what that behavior is.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar | March 16, 2012 at 10:19 AM

Yes, just exactly. It is such a dangerous way of thinking and living, for many, many reasons. And as we see in this case, even including life-threatening situations.

In my opinion that guy they show in the video, saying "we're going to keep doing it," seems to be completely empty-headed and very representative of the problem of people going along with things without giving it any kind of thought from any angle.

[Shoshi]

Posted by: jewishwhistleblower | March 16, 2012 at 10:44 AM

Agree with you 100%.

[Alter Kocker]

Is it not time to completely ban laymen from performing circumcision altogether? How could any couple in their right mind allow a person who is not a trained medical professional with knowledge of infectious disease, surgical procedure and sterile conditions perform any procedure on their child. This to me smacks of child endangerment and offering up our innocents on the altar of superstition and pseudo-science.

Where I see Haredi/Ultra-orthodox objection to this is the same-old same-old arguements: They will see it as Anti-Semitic interference in their affairs and/or they will see a medical professional that is more than likely not one of their own as being suspect/unacceptable.

[Shoshi]

Linked wrong article:
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/114/2/e259.full.pdf

Posted by: jewishwhistleblower | March 16, 2012 at 10:51 AM

This study was done in 2004 and concluded that "ritual Jewish circumcision that includes metzitzah with direct oral– genital contact carries a serious risk for transmission of HSV from mohels to neonates". It was published in the official journal of the American Academy of Pediatrics. The fact that this has been ignored by health officials and mohelim alike is appalling.

[jewishwhistleblower]

Shafran/Agudath Israel "...the metzitzah b’peh method has been safe for thousands of years and more people die from skiing accidents than the circumcision method."

Approximately 34 people die a year in the US from skiing accidents. http://www.chalatlaw.com/articles/skilawUSA.pdf
I don't know of 1 Orthodox Jew who died in a skiing accident in the US in the past decade but I do know of several who died from MPD. Agudath Israel again shows its willingness to sacrifice the lives of a few children in the name of "daas torah". That is not Judaism. We do not sacrifice the lives of babies.

[Paulie Walnuts]

"This metzitzah b'peh is the most devient perverted behaviour that humanity can conjure up"

Right. But a dude conscientiously and purposefully sticking his dick up another dude's shitpipe is normal.

[anonymous]

http://www.ajopconvention.com/uploads/9/4/2/7/9427898/dialogue_1.2_final_mitzitzabepeh.pdf

[seymour]

this video shows how ignorant many frum people are

sadly they do not even know simple halacha. (MP is not halacha any simple mind who looks in the Talmud can see that very clearly)

In addition, they do not want to know about history or secular history. They think that sucking a wound is weird and if chazal said to do it it must be because of religious reasons.

Not realizing or worse not wanting to know, that what chazal said was not some new or something out of the blue and therefore must be because of some religious reasons. No it was simply common practice at that time

[ah-pee-chorus]

NAMBLA has announced they will be calling themselves a religion which will enable them to pursue their man on boy love legally. they offered thanks to the charedi community for showing the way.

[Alter Kocker]

And these cultists do not care that the Anti-Semites will take this and slander us with it? Where are their brains?

[Proton Soup]

Right. But a dude conscientiously and purposefully sticking his dick up another dude's shitpipe is normal.

Posted by: Paulie Walnuts | March 16, 2012 at 12:17 PM

actually, it probably promotes that, too. mbp only normalizes the idea of a man having a penis in his mouth. once that becomes routine, your example is the next logical step.

[Litvish]

How can a neonate give permission to have its dick sucked?

The parents or guardians are responsible and they must be made to pay, be punished, for this rape.

It is rape, pure and simple.

Who knows the after effects years later, unconscious and subconscious memories of this disgusting ritual in the name of some ancient Middle Eastern deity?

Defacing the penis of a newborn child in the name of some wacko deity and then adding to the insult by sucking the blood using direct contact with the mouth of a grown man, is the most revolting thing imaginable.

The mohelim have been sent letters by the Dept of Health and they routinely ignore them.

Time for action.

If they refuse to voluntarily cease and desist then there are other ways to pursuade them, I am sure.

If we present the basic beliefs of this cult to any educated person they will immediately find them horrific.

However, when they are dressed up in an ancient tradition that our bubes and zeydies were killed for, then we throw common sense out the window and just silently swallow the Kool Aid.

All in the name of tradition.

What total bullshit.

[jancsipista]

Lets face it this procedure is done on babies because they have no say cannot defend themselfs against it andthe hassidim are knows to pick someone with that description since they are cowards in every sense babies dont fight are the weakest in nature so why not do it until now for a thousand years no one cared as i wrote before in yiddish there is a saying az der narishkeit derlingem me meint er iz a chuchem translation if you do a foolish
act and get away with it the world will think you are smart.

[jancsipista]

Who knows the after effects years later, unconscious and subconscious memories of this disgusting ritual in the name of some ancient Middle Eastern deity?
Litvish- i said the same thing, most probably it effects the psych later on in life subconciously you are 100 per cent right as i said before you are the best.

[Alter Kocker]

What does halacha say about taking a life? If the mohel is responsible for causing the death of a child, should he not pay the consequences: An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth, a life for a life. A murder should be put to death, and so R. Yitchok Fischer should be ritually murdered according to Halacha as he was the responsible party in the death of an innocent.

[Betzalel]

Mohelim who perform this ritual are worse than the Nazis that murdered Jewish babies.

The Nazis claimed they were "just following orders".

These mohelim cannot even legitimately claim they were "just following orders", because the correct orders were "Thou shalt not murder."

[Jacob]

frumtards.

[Hava Tequila]

I'm torn over all this Circumcision stuff (God, how I love my puts!!!) My evil Muslim girlfriend asked me if JESUS was Circumcised and I told her "First, the Bible doesn't say and Second, As an American , it's none of my business if he WAS CUT or not.

Then she said "But Wait a Minute. Didn't the Romans put a sign on him, as they crucified him, saying he was the KING OF THE JEWS? I mean what happen if he wasn't cut and his towel dropped?!!! People would be laughing at him.

After six shots of bourbon, I told her "I would bother me if he wasn't circumsized and I would probably tell him, in the nicest way that he 'Needed to get that taken care of'...no rush but, dude---you ARE THE KING OF THE JEWS, the HOST OF HOSTS. You can't be running around town like that, Jimmy!!! Here, borrow my pocket knife, go into the back room and do the deed---Here's some gauze and a bottle of Bourbon to kill the pain!!! Man it up!!!