Don't Stop Praying When Missile Alert Siren Sounds, Haredi Rabbi Says

"The halacha rules that if a snake is wrapped around a man's heels while he is reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, he mustn't move. Yet if a scorpion is wrapped around his heels – he must run, for a scorpion bites whereas a snake doesn't bite unless harmed. It is my opinion that the Iron Dome transforms the danger from scorpion to snake which is why today, if a person is reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer and the alarm is sounded – he must continue praying.…a man who doesn't stand during the Shemoneh Esrei prayer [due to weakness or illness] must certainly run to a fortified space due to 'and you shall diligently protect your souls.'"

Rabbi Yosef Sheinin

Ashdod chief rabbi: Siren sounds during prayer? Don't move
Rabbi Yosef Sheinin rules that when siren is sounded during reciting of Shemoneh Esrei prayer you must not stop praying in order to rush to shelter
Kobi Nahshoni • Ynet

A relative calm may have returned to the southern communities but Home Front Command directives for emergency situations remain unchanged. Yet apparently Ashdod's Chief Ashkenazi Rabbi, Yosef Sheinin has his own directives.
 
Speaking on Sunday, the rabbi ruled that when a siren is sounded during the reciting of the Shemoneh Esrei prayer (a prayer recited quietly while standing) the person reciting the prayer must not stop praying in order to rush to a fortified space or shelter.

He based his ruling on halachic reasoning: The Iron Dome system provides the worshipper with immediate protection.

In an interview with a local radio station the Ashdod rabbi was asked what the ruling was for a man who hears a siren mid-prayer while reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer.

"The halacha rules that if a snake is wrapped around a man's heels while he is reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, he mustn't move. Yet if a scorpion is wrapped around his heels – he must run, for a scorpion bites whereas a snake doesn't bite unless harmed," the rabbi explained.

"It is my opinion that the Iron Dome transforms the danger from scorpion to snake which is why today, if a person is reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer and the alarm is sounded – he must continue praying."

He stressed that in the pre-Iron Dome days he instructed people to "get up and run to a fortified space."
 
Rabbi Sheinin added that "a man who doesn't stand during the Shemoneh Esrei prayer must certainly run to a fortified space due to 'and you shall diligently protect your souls.'

"But when you are standing in the middle of reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, we have the two examples in the halacha and I think that today we are in the snake (situation) after it has been proven that the Iron Dome is indeed a great defense."

What the rabbi is saying is that the danger from the missiles has been reduced enough by the Iron Dome missile defense system for him to say that God will protect those praying Shemoneh Esrei. But according to him, a person who prays the Shemoneh Esrei sitting down (due to illness or weakness or advanced age or even sloth) does not merit that special protection, and since he isn't standing anyway, he can get up and run to the bomb shelter.

This makes no halakhic or rational sense.

The snakes halakha talks about normally won't bite if the man does not move – if he stands perfectly still like a pillar – which was how the sages of the Mishna prayed the Shemoneh Esrei, which is what this halakha is based on. The danger the snake poses comes from what might happen when the man moves or tries to remove the snake. When the Mishna says keep praying, it is telling a person in that situation that the danger to him is greater if he tries to run or shake the snake off or pull it off, and therefore he should remain perfectly still like a pillar and keep silently praying, despite the natural fear almost all of us would feel in that situation.

On the other hand,  a scorpion will sting even if a man stands perfectly still. Therefore, removing the scorpion and then running away from it is the safest thing to do.

A missile's function is to kill, maim and destroy. Therefore incoming missiles must always be considered life-threatening, even if the Iron Dome destroys 90% of them or even 99% of them. A missile that does get through the missile defense system is a "scorpion wrapped around the heels" of everyone in its path.

What reduced the number of missiles landing in Ashkelon isn't a change in the nature of the missiles from scorpions to snakes.

What reduced the number of missiles landing in Ashkelon can be compared to erecting better fences and barriers to keep scorpions and snakes out of the city.

The scorpions and snakes pose exactly the same danger as before those fences and barriers were built. Their natures have not changed, and any scorpion or snake that got through the fences and barriers would be treated by halakha exactly as they would have been before the fences and barriers were built.

It isn't the frequency of scorpions or snakes wrapping themselves around our heels that determines the level of danger we'd be in if one of these creatures actually wrapped around ours – it is the unique nature and characteristics of each of the two creatures that determines the danger.

If only one missile out of every 100 or even one out of every 1000 fired at Israel breaks through the Iron Dome, it is still a scorpion, it is still a clear and present grievous danger to life and limb "wrapped around our heels."

We don't know which of those 100 or which of those 1000 will break through. And because the time between a missile breaking through the missile defense system and it striking Israeli soil is only a few seconds, there is no way to wait for a missle to break through before judging it to be a scorpion and running for a bomb shelter. And therefore every missile fired at Israel must be presumed to be a grievous danger to life and limb.

As we pray Shemoneh Esrei, we are supposed to imagine that we are standing in front of God and speaking directly to him. That's why running away is problematic. We are not only running away from a something we fear, we're running away from God.

Even so, halakha mandates that we stop praying, remove the scorpion and run away from it because God values human life more than he values prayers, and removing the scorpion and running away from it is protective of human life..

But halakha also mandates that we continue standing still as a pillar and continue praying if it is a snake wrapped on our heels because the snake only poses a real danger if we move, and therefore standing still as a pillar and silently praying is protective of life.

Standing still as a pillar and praying silently does not reduce the danger posed by an incoming missile – but running to the nearest bomb shelter does.

Rabbi Sheinin should have known this. But he didn't, and the ruling he issued endangers thousands of lives. He must immediately retract it.

Comments

[ruthie]

scorpions snakes

WTF

run to the nearest shelter. i'm sure g-d, the ultimate being, will understand.

[SkepticalYid]

He's too old to run. That's probably why he issued this ruling. Spite.

[netflix]

I was once asked to drive this guy somewhere.

[Just Curious]

I was once asked to drive this guy somewhere.

Posted by: netflix | March 21, 2012 at 06:59 AM

... did you?

[Jeff]

I was once asked to drive this guy somewhere.

You should have driven him to a psychiatric facility.

[seymour]

and why if a man is sitting why is his prayers less worthy protection the one who is standing

in addition he is saying prayer does zero. since if it did the scorpion should not be able to harm you

since that advice to run or stand is a common sense advice whether one is standing watching porn or standing and praying to god.

[seymour]

lately herdie Rabbis are proving evolution it seems they are de-evolving

[Fred]

I actually checked to make sure this wasn't April 1st (April Fools Day). No luck ...

But honestly, based on 99.9% of the ass-backwards Rabbinical rulings in the Charedi world, Sheinin could say, 'when the alarm sounds, stand on your head as Moshe Rabenu did, & Reb whoeverintheheck discussed in the Gemorah, which formed Ashod's 'Hashkafah of the Damned',' & I wouldn't be shocked.

What does shock me is that my people -- who produced some of the worlds leading theoreticians, researchers, analysts,scientists, philosophers, et al, (ie, 'independent, creative thinkers') under extreme duress & exile -- have, with all the freedoms gained in the past 70 or so years, devolved to the point that the fastest growing segment need to ask a Rabbi what to do if they hear a missile-warning.

Siiigh ...I remember as a kid, we used to read stories about the shtetel dullard as a fairy-tale warning (think they were by Primo Levi). Now the shtetels are filled with idiots & the smart, independent thinkers are the warning tales (as they will run far, faaaar away).

Makes me want to cry.

[Sarek]

Sounds like a candidate for the Darwin Awards.

[Yosef ben Matitya]

while the state should be called sdom, the haredim live in chelm!

[Fred]

Part of my rant could read like a smack across all branches of Judaism, so let me rephrase:

"With all the freedoms gained in the past 70 or so years, one of the fastest growing segments in Orthodoxy have devolved to the point that they need to ask a Rabbi what to do if they hear a missile-warning."

ok, better now ;~)

[Bartley Kulp]

No, actually it is the home front command that is to give their opinions on whether or not something has a status of a snake or scorpion. Now this rabbi is an expert on military affairs and the deployment of defence technology.

Is he the same man who offended a group of female police cadets when he said that a woman would not be fitting to be a police commander because they were created gentle?

[Shmarya]

Is he the same man who offended a group of female police cadets when he said that a woman would not be fitting to be a police commander because they were created gentle?

Posted by: Bartley Kulp | March 21, 2012 at 09:42 AM

Yes, I think so.

[Adam Neira]

Common sense dictates that if an air raid siren sounds you heed what the authorities recommend to do. It is a rare person indeed who is blessed to miss the bullets flying all around them like Joey in "War Horse".

[abcdef]

"Rabbi Sheinin should have known this. But he didn't, and the ruling he issued endangers thousands of lives. He must immediately retract it."

You're absolutely correct. This "rabbi" is a total idiot and should be stripped of whatever position he may have.

[Just Curious]

Common sense dictates that if an air raid siren sounds you heed what the authorities recommend to do.

When hurricane Irene came barreling down the East Coast and evacuation orders were given to many locations I know countless people who stayed behind in their homes. Just because common sense would say head what authorities say does not mean everyone follows them.

Just take a look at how many people still continue to smoke cigarets, despite the countless warnings and the fact that the probability of dying from lung cancer due to smoking is so much higher than being hit by a missile, people still ignore the dangers.

I must assume the relative calm coupled with the perceived effectiveness of Iron Dome is leading to this ruling. Fortunately this is only one Rabbi who feels this way and I would imagine that someone caught being in the middle of Shemoneh Esrei will finish it in record time!

[Shmarya]

Fortunately…I would imagine that someone caught being in the middle of Shemoneh Esrei will finish it in record time!

Posted by: Just Curious | March 21, 2012 at 10:37 AM

Please.

Stop trolling.

From the time the sirens sound until the missiles hit is about one minute. There is no time to finish Semoneh Esri.

[rebeljew]

Is he recommending depending on the hand of man to save him? Especially the horrible Zionistic authorities? Fortunately, as the ruling states clearly, defense systems never fail and are never defeated by the enemy, even over time. And, even if it were not so, since the rav has said so as a ruling, this becomes the physical reality through the power of daas Toireh. Hamas, Hizbollah, even Iran, all who have threatened missile attacks are no longer a threat, AL PI TOIREH!!!

Moshiach tzeit, Baruch Hashem.

[schneur]

originally this site took rabbis to task on the basis of social, communal political and other non Halachic issues. Now you are taking rabbis.
to task for daring to pasken Halacha as they se it.
This psak has nothing to do with corruption, ego ,bribery , crime or anything . Its a rav paskening a din.

[Litvish]

He quotes:
"The halacha rules that if a snake is wrapped around a man's heels while he is reciting the Shemoneh Esrei prayer, he mustn't move. Yet if a scorpion is wrapped around his heels – he must run, for a scorpion bites whereas a snake doesn't bite unless harmed.
====

The idiots who wrote this opinion were total morons. Am I saying hazal were morons?

Absolutely.

And, thankfully, they are all dead, pushing up daisies.

The frumiks all deserve to get what they deserve if they follow such narishkaytn.

That is their own damn choice.

And, yes, it is a choice.

I choose differently and thanks to people like me, these idiots are kept alive in hospitals, get community services and housing because I work and pay taxes.

Need I go on?

[Shmarya]

originally this site took rabbis to task on the basis of social, communal political and other non Halachic issues. Now you are taking rabbis.
to task for daring to pasken Halacha as they se it.
This psak has nothing to do with corruption, ego ,bribery , crime or anything . Its a rav paskening a din.

Posted by: schneur | March 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

No. It's a rabbi – who I think is your friend – INCORRECTLY paskening a din and ENDANGERING thousands of lives as a result.

[Alter Kocker]

Silly superstitious fools. Go ahead and let the missiles drop while you pray. Maybe the invisible man in the sky will like the fireworks as your stupid asses are blown to smithereens.

[Adam Neira]

To Alter Kocker,

G-d does afford protection to the righteous but even the most blessed of people put in the wrong place at the wrong time have to take evasive action. You can sprint and pray at the same time.

[Yechiel]

I just love these posts...
It brings all the rats out of their crawling spaces...
Fred, Alter Kocker, Litvish and all other miserable creatures who self created...

[seymour]

Is he saying the prayers of an injured person who must sit is not as good as a standing man's prayer. What is the basis of that?

[seymour]

Posted by: Yechiel | March 21, 2012 at 12:01 PM

you agree with this dangerous psak.

I guess davining will protect you from missles and MP will protect you herpes

[JK2]

Are there people who would follow this rule?

If so, I guess they're too stupid to live. How sad.

[Just Curious]

From the time the sirens sound until the missiles hit is about one minute. There is no time to finish Semoneh Esri.

Posted by: Shmarya | March 21, 2012 at 10:43 AM

If there was a missile heading my way I may be tempted to skip a few words :)

[ah-pee-chorus]

good point shmarya. aside from the idiocy of his statement even if it DID conform to halacha, he is too foolish to understand the gemara on which it is based.

and this dangerous idiot is on the payroll of israeli taxpayers.

israel needs a strong 'freedom from religion' movement.

rabbi, please shut your mouth. we'll all be better off for it.

[ah-pee-chorus]

Yechiel |-

when even YOU cant defend charedi garbage and instead throw out an insulting ad hominem, we know how embarrassed you must be by this moron.

[LikeItIs]

israel needs a strong 'freedom from religion' movement.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | March 21, 2012 at 12:53 PM

Ain't gonna happen, the seculars are without organization or leadership.

[seymour]

Ain't gonna happen, the seculars are without organization or leadership.

Posted by: LikeItIs | March 21, 2012 at 01:47 PM

the real reason is the secular are to diversified. also they think for themselves (at a higher rate ) and not think and act like the borg one big collective

[Steven W]

Does he also recommend making the Shemoneh Esrei an even 20 prayers now by adding asher yatzar?

[rebitzman]

From the time the sirens sound until the missiles hit is about one minute. There is no time to finish Semoneh Esri.

Technically, one only has to say the brachot - 1 minute may not be enough for that either, but I would certainly cut back to the bare minimum were I to stay put.

That said, I have no idea what I would actually do. I find his logic intriguing, but not sure I embrace his conclusion.

[Abu Jihad Schneerson]

Sometimes I just ask myself,in total amazement,one question:are these people actually normal?

[Yochanan Lavie songwriter extraordinaire]

Apologies to Journey (Don't stop believing):

Just a Negev Jew, livin' in a hostile world
He heard the missile scream goin' everywhere
Just a Yiddish boy, born and raised in among the Goys
He heard the missile scream goin' everywhere

Just a Yiddish boy, born and raised among the Goys
He heard the missile scream goin' everywhere

A rabbi in a study room
A smell of wine and tchulent fumes
For a shiur they can learn all night
It goes on and on and on and on

Strangers waiting, up and down the Gaza Strip
The Tzahal searching in the night
"Freedom fighters," living just to bomb civilians
Lobbing rockets in the night

Praying hard with tefillin,
Davening in war is thrilling
Payes and black hats are nice,
Even in war time
Some will win, some will lose
Some were born to kill the Jews
Oy, the rabbi never ends
He talks on and on and on and on

Strangers waiting, up and down the Gaza Strip
The Tzahal searching in the night
"Freedom fighters," living just to bomb civilians
Lobbing rockets in the night

Don’t stop davening
Hold on to the tefillin
Brainwashed people

Don’t stop davening
Oy vey….
Brainwashed people
Oy..

Don’t stop davening
Hold on to the tefillin
Brainwashed people
oy oy oy….
Don’t stop

[A Yid]

originally this site took rabbis to task on the basis of social, communal political and other non Halachic issues. Now you are taking rabbis.
to task for daring to pasken Halacha as they se it.
This psak has nothing to do with corruption, ego ,bribery , crime or anything . Its a rav paskening a din.

Posted by: schneur | March 21, 2012 at 11:10 AM

If a rabbi issues a ruling on a life and death issue that seems so wrong, going against common sense, people should stand up and criticize it. It puts peoples lives in danger and is a chilul Hashem and avoiding danger to life and chilul Hashem is more important than honoring a rabbi.
It's a mitzvah to avoid standing by while your brothers blood is being spilled.

[Steven W]

Y.L.:

Got my virtual lighter app.

FREE BIRD!!!

[Yochanan Lavie songwriter extraordinaire]

Thanks, Steven

[Yechiel]

Seymour
You disagree with the basis of the Psak as well. Actually, you probably believe prayer is foolish in the first place.
I rest my case.

[Yechiel]

A yid.
If halakha so dictates and we follow such, then I totally disagree with you. Keeping halalha is NOT a chillul Hashem by any means.
Farsholtene secularists mock everything religious and to top it off they resort to the term foreign to them on most occasions, 'chillul Hashem'.
The term 'chillul Hashem' does not mean 'I hate myself for being a Jew'...

So yes, regardless of what I have gone thru and seen in my life I concluded long ago that those of us strong enough to keep our faith and follow halakha to the T are real men. The rest are a bunch of weak sissies who constantly need to let themselves be heard and get approval from their likes.
SHAME ON YOU LITTLE WEAKLINGS!

END OF TROLL

[Jeff]

Posted by: Yechiel | March 21, 2012 at 05:17 PM

You really are the most appalling imbecile.

[abcdef]

"A yid.
If halakha so dictates and we follow such, then I totally disagree with you. Keeping halalha is NOT a chillul Hashem by any means.
Farsholtene secularists mock everything religious and to top it off they resort to the term foreign to them on most occasions, 'chillul Hashem'.
The term 'chillul Hashem' does not mean 'I hate myself for being a Jew'...

So yes, regardless of what I have gone thru and seen in my life I concluded long ago that those of us strong enough to keep our faith and follow halakha to the T are real men. The rest are a bunch of weak sissies who constantly need to let themselves be heard and get approval from their likes.
SHAME ON YOU LITTLE WEAKLINGS!

END OF TROLL

Posted by: Yechiel | March 21, 2012 at 05:17 PM "

As anyone here, especially Shmarya can attest, I am very pro-frum and pro-Torah, and anti frum and chareidi bashing.

However, in this case, Shmarya is absolutely correct. This "rabbi," if what is claimed is true, is a total idiot. We don't defend idiots just because they happen to have smicha or are employed as a rabbi or rosh yeshiva. Defending such idiots just makes you look foolish.

[Yechiel]

Jeff
True; I can't resist responding to your silly comments...

[Neo-Conservaguy]

See Tractate Berachot, Chapter 3, Tosefta 20 for an alternate view of the Mishnah being used as the basis for this subject. It seems critical of the advice to remain standing still.

[A Yid]

Yechiel, what is the Torah source that prohibits disagreement and criticism of a halachik ruling by a rabbi in our time?
A rabbi who is not your teacher. Whose ruling you didn't even ask he decided to volunteer it on the radio.
PS. Have you ever noticed rabbis criticizing each others rulings? Are they allowed to do so if it happens that the ruling is against both halacha and common sense so "seculars" have criticized it too?
If the seculars criticize a particular ruling as putting lives in danger should a rabbi or any frum Jew refrain from criticizing it or even defend it just to spite the "seculars"?

[Yechiel]

abcdef
Rabbis pasken halakha. He based his p'sak on halakhic grounds. Do you disagree with נחש כרוך על עקבו? If you affirm, then you are NOT the Torah jew you claim to be or you simply lack אמונה.
If you do uphold that halakha, then this (according to this psak at least) is a parallel and should be treated with equal respect.

[Rebitzman]

If you affirm, then you are NOT the Torah jew you claim to be or you simply lack......

Have you read the gemara? ALL the opinions therein are based on hallachic grounds, and no one agrees with anyone...........

We are not now, nor have we ever been " one, and only one mind - one, and only one way".

[ah-pee-chorus]

Do you disagree with נחש כרוך על עקבו?

Posted by: Yechiel

its so difficult to have an intelligent discussion with someone who is so challenged.
its not a matter of denying the halachic discussion of the gemara. the point is that this moron completely misunderstands the gemara and ergo applies it incorrectly, and in the process is literally endangering lives. shmarya laid it out pretty clearly.

your attempted defense would only be appropriate if people were aghast at a CORRECTLY applied halacha. and simple logic tells us that that isnt the case here. you and the rabbi are a perfect pair.

[Junarchist]

we have a saying where I come from....Dolbayob!!!

[NeverFrum]

I was once asked to drive this guy somewhere.

Posted by: netflix | March 21, 2012 at 06:59 AM

To the nut house?

[Jeff]

If you affirm, then you are NOT the Torah jew you claim to be or you simply lack אמונה.

I suspect Yechiel is an adolescent, or a young man in his twenties (which, in the black hat world, is the functional equivalent of an adolescent), who thinks he knows much more than he does.

Yechiel - WHY ARE YOU HERE?

[Eva]

Is he saying the prayers of an injured person who must sit is not as good as a standing man's prayer. What is the basis of that?

Posted by: seymour | March 21, 2012 at 12:14 PM

It kinda sounds like something that would well compliment that ther' famous Stormfront and Mein Tanya.

[Steven W]

What is Rabbi Snake/Scorpion's p'sak's regarding endangering the lives of rescuers who have to dig daveners out the rubble?

[LikeItIs]

the real reason is the secular are to diversified. also they think for themselves (at a higher rate ) and not think and act like the borg one big collective

Posted by: seymour | March 21, 2012 at 02:13 PM

In other words, it ain't gonna happen since the seculars are without organization or leadership, they are like you said "diversified"!

[ah-pee-chorus]

LikeItIs -

theyre fast coming around. when lapid, a political neophyte announced he was running for knesset he immediately drew enough support to get close to 20 seats, with one of his main issues being the charedi parasitism and stranglehold on power. and while he has dropped off since then as expected , it shows that the israeli secular public is getting energized and will soon be creating major problems for the charedim.

and i cant wait.

[Mike]

@ Shmarya:

Is this the same rabbi who said that women shouldn't be a police chief? I don't remember the article but I think the rabbi in the picture looks somewhat similiar. Both statements were pretty idiotic, so it's not too much of a stretch.

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Mike | March 21, 2012 at 09:49 PM

I think so.

[chicago sam]

My sentiments exactly, he makes Haredim look like fools.

[western jew]

I'm not sure I am going to give any sincere appreciation to any rabbi when it comes to my health and safety.

[Abu Jihad Schneerson]

@chicago sam:because they ARE fools!

[Yaakov]

Argument from authority, a logical fallacy, is a shortcoming of all people who consider themselves authoritative. Even scientists fall into this trap, proclaiming competing theories "wrong" not on the basis of science but on the basis of their belief in the correctness of their own approach.

The difference between the scientist and the posek is in that assertions of correctness in science are ultimately testable while assertions about halacha are considered inherently correct by force of the assertion itself.

Where the scientist who uses his prominence to bully a colleague can only do this until the theories are tested and the assertion is falsified, there is no "objective" test for the correctness of halacha.

Worse, the closest that we have to such a thing, the analysis of whether the particular psak halacha serves the principles of Torah, has been, over the course of several hundred years, rendered useless by the theory that the halacha is the principle. That is, that the implementation of the halacha is the goal itself, and, turning the Torah on its head, we derive the principles from the way that the poskim have ruled rather than deriving the rulings from the principles.

This is a human problem, it is called "orthodoxy", and our present case is an example of how the orthodox Jewish world has lost its way. It doesn't help that this posek cannot seem to understand the different between magnitude of a danger and its nature making this not only an example of perpetuated orthodox confusion but also an example of bad reasoning.

The beard and the hat of this man make him invulnerable to criticism from those less bearded and behatted, however.

[LikeItIs]

scorpions snakes

WTF

run to the nearest shelter. i'm sure g-d, the ultimate being, will understand.

Posted by: ruthie | March 21, 2012 at 06:50 AM

...

This is a human problem, it is called "orthodoxy", and our present case is an example of how the orthodox Jewish world has lost its way.

Posted by: Yaakov | March 22, 2012 at 06:52 AM

... Remember that whatsoever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven and whatsoever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. You have Christ’s power to tread upon serpents and scorpions and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you!

I would like you to believe God for the outstanding breakthroughs that you desire.
The enemy has subjected so many people to constant weeping and crying. If you are in this state, I want you to believe that as you pray these prayers, the arrows will go back to their senders, in the name of Jesus.

http://www.sermoncentral.com/sermons/prayer-against-satanic-letters-daniel-olukoya-sermon-on-prayer-answered-88890.asp

As I mentioned in a post on another topic, ALL sermons and rulings coming from religious figures must (and usually is) taken with a BIG grain of salt. What you read MUST always be viewed from the perspective of the intended audience if not it WILL sound silly.

[yudel]

This is brilliant. Pekuach nefesh now is trumped by snakes and scorpions. I love it when my intelligence is insulted. And i love it more when a gadol does not even know how to read the gemorra. Out of the box he knows nothing about snakes or scorpions which is the first kashe on deck and the comes pikuach nefesh. Even better is this opinion will be cited as brilliant.

How good can it get? Well wait. A lot better

[yudel]

oh i also forgot. Yechiel is a coward and not a stand up guy period. A man stands in the storm ready to give their life for others. What happened to him is he gave up his critical choice and reasoning long ago.
That is a sign of thought reform and his final gasp before giving up his quandry which was his manhood. He fears being brave and fears speaking out his true feelings now buried under the rubble of narishkite.

[j steinbach]

You should not compare bombs with animals. the situation is not at all the same. It is your life so do what you want when danger comes. yonatan

[Master In Weddings]

I LOVE ISRAEL, never will stop.

[tee shirt femme pas cher]

Votre avis semble un peu ridicule mais je n'ai pas pu résister. Merci, Stephen!