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March 10, 2012

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ultra haredi lite

Wonder if the hitch still agrees with his last sentence.

Kirly

No matter your religious beliefs, he doesn't anymore.
But seriously, it's 'cause he's dead, not because there is a hell. Sorry, Mr. Haredi.

JesusWasANigger

Well, since he doesn't have a faith in God problem, his faith in humanity seems to to be failing as well. Hitler, Stalin, Mao, how many people did they kill a 120 million? 150 million? Sorry but I'd rather believe in fairy tales then in humans.

the usual chaim

this is an absurd argument. he is comparing mohelim to child molestors. that is not fair. if he had focused solely on the metzizta b'peh issue it would be a different story... the comparison to the fatwas against immunization and refusal to use the metzitza tube is a fair one.

i really don't like it when people conflate issues

A. Nuran

UHL, you're really pathetic, aren't you?

You can't refute a single word of what Hitchens says. You don't have a single fact or bit of reasoning in your defense. All you can do is scream "But I'm special, and I hope my Invisible Friend is hurting him for telling people I'm not special."

That's all you've got, and it's fucking pitiful.

Critical minyan

Nice post Shmarya. Keep putting the pressure on these guys who are killing babies. It's time to stop this barbaric custom.

Mendel Mendel

Toward the end of perek daled in parashat Shmot we learn that Moshe's wife, Tzipora, took a stone and circumcised their older son, Gershon. I always wondered: did she do metzitzah? I'll have to check out all the m'forshim.

Eli, apprentice messiah superstar

"If another man of that age were found to be slicing the foreskins of little boys and then sucking their penises and their blood, he would be in jail—one hopes—so fast that his feet wouldn't touch the ground. If he then told the court that God ordered him to do it, he would be offering precisely the defense that thousands of psychos have already made so familiar. Preach it rabbi. Preach it to the judge."

Amen, Hitch

Exposing Lies

Once again your articles are full of nonsense. Metzitza never killed anyone. There are many Mohalim who did THOUSANDS of Brisos, in the US & Israel. Never did any baby that they did get sick because of it. Mohalim are known to be so strict for cleanliness and making sure that there will be no risks for the baby. Years ago people tried to stop metzitza because of AIDS, but only to find out that saliva kills the AIDS germs. Mohalim are instructed for over a 100 years, to be carefull not to to metzitza bapeh on infants from parents that are suspected to carry diseases, or from a mohel who has even an infection in his mouth, all the more so if he has a disease. For example try to find out one baby out of the Thousands,that Rabbi Pesach Krohn did mila on, that died or got sick because of metzitza. Try to find it. The few cases that did happen are because of some individual(s) didn't care that they carried diseases. That is not the case by Charedi Mohalim. You can ask anyone of them.
Many senior Mohalim have much more expertise in the field than any doctor could or would ever have.
Remember believing and spreading lies is easy.

Finding out the truth takes work, and is not always going to be easy.

Noah

Exposing Lies - you are a dangerous individual.

AIDS is not a germ, it is the term for Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome i.e. when a person's immunity is so compromised that they can not fight off various infections, it is medically defined by possessing a CD4+ lymphocyte count under 200 cells/μl.

HIV (Human Immunodeficiency Virus) leads to AIDS. Simplistically, this progression and its timing depends on many factors, including if the person does not receive treatment or if they are susceptible.

The Centre of Disease Control (CDC) has documented cases of oral transmission of HIV. Pure saliva usually has a negligible viral load.

Saliva does not kill "AIDS germs" or HIV.

If a person with HIV has mouth ulcers, cuts or gum disease then the viral load in saliva is significant.

Transmission of HIV is massively increased where the virus is able to enter a person through disruption to the normal cellular structure of the body. Therefore, a wound such as that created by circumcision is perfect for HIV transmission.

HIV can survive outside the body at room temperature for weeks if in a wet environment, examples include syringes.

Finding out the truth is easy.
Metzitza B'Peh has killed many babies and probably harmed many more.

Jeff

Wonder if the hitch still agrees with his last sentence.

Posted by: ultra haredi lite | March 10, 2012 at 11:14 PM

What an inexpressible piece of drek you are. You serve no purpose in this world. Please just die.

AskFirst

Please just die.

Posted by: Jeff | March 11, 2012 at 06:08 AM

You are just as bad as he is, if not worse.

Jeff

Yeah? I'm not pleased at that thought of someone in hell.

Idiot.

SkepticalYid

I can't help but wonder- when Avraham and all his followers were circumcised- did they perform metzitzah on each other? When the sons of Jacob demanded that all the men of Shechem be circumcised, did they do metzitzah on the whole city? If so, then what does this tell us about the Avos?

WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/114/2/e259.full.html

ember

Exposing Lies-Talking about lies lets face it most of our if not bible stories are made up even purim is a made up story i read years ago about those days were very hard and the people needed to cheer themsels up so they made up the whole megilath ester lets face something that is too good to be true is you know the rest this metz p;p is a tottal fabrication of regular peoples imagination for whatever reason and theese absolute fools the hassidim take it as gods words ,the hassidim are acurse on normal jews who are not extreeme,they are making a mockery of the religion on every step of the way.

WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra0807633

Waiting4Moshiach

More people die from going to the dentist every year, but do the goyim want to ban going to the dentist? No, because it is necessary. Similarly this is necessary for Yidden whos custom it is to do this. Consult your Rav, not the apikoras or the goy.

ember

It is neccessary to commit you into a lunatic asylem the sooner the better this is really really neccessary you mooron.

Mike

If anybody is pleased at someone in hell, all I must say is that I can refer you to the Westboro Baptist Church. You'd fit in well there. I hope this MBP stuff is finally put to rest. I had to explain this to my college friends and keep disassociating them with myself. As a Jew, it pains me to know that MBP is considered the more "machmir/religous" practice, when in fact it should be forbidden according to Jewish law, not to mention that it kills young children.

danny

W4M is entertaining as usual, but Exposing Lies is so blatantly ignorant about basic science and hygiene, I can't tell if he is also a parody.

I refuse to get angry at such an obvious troll, but in the event that Exposing Lies is posting his/her true beliefs, please take a biology class at the local junior college.

Apear

Why you non-believers don't have an issue with the sex industry where many many more people are killed by having unprotected sex yearly, is beyond me. Just because you're filling your filthy fantasies with it and a bag destroys your imagination (since you have such low quantity of matter in your brains, which won't support enough to believe) don't give you the right to support killing people of HIV

jancsipista

Apear-Hey you retard go commit youreself into a lunatic asylem you dont even know what youre talking about di farikte beheime.

AskFirst

Yeah? I'm not pleased at that thought of someone in hell.

Idiot.

Posted by: Jeff | March 11, 2012 at 08:03 AM

Don't wory, you won't be alone.

A. Nuran

Apear, I know reading anything but toireh and approved seforim is assur, but you really should follow this link and read up on the Tu Quoque Fallacy. If you're afraid it might pull you away from toireh for a few seconds here it is in a shorter form:

"Yeah, well other people did bad things, too, so what I did isn't bad."

Jeff

Don't wory, you won't be alone.

Posted by: AskFirst | March 11, 2012 at 04:29 PM

I'm sure it will give you a great deal of pleasure. It's what your kind is in the religion game for in the first place.

ultra haredi lite

I never implied that the hitch is IN hell, just that perhaps now he has a greater knowledge that there may in fact be A hell.

Calm down and stopping wishing death on others.

Moshe der mohel

Jeff. Your just a tard.
Do the world a favour and stand in the middle of a busy intersection

Eli, apprentice messiah superstar

Jeff, you've hit a nerve with the trolls.
Find out what it was and please do it again!

Dovit

Where do YOU think G-d would send people that suck infant penis? Really/

huhuggi

was it rav ezekiel abramsky (or perhaps the rogatochover, i don't remeber) or some other litvish contemporary rav, who readily admitted that this was a disgusting ritual
saying something to the effect of אין לך דבר יותר משוקץ מזה
yet inexplicably, ended up justifying the procedure.

seymour

Posted by: danny | March 11, 2012 at 01:29 PM

yes they do I have spoken to many of them

to them it is very simple really

MO is a mitzvah (of course nay one with a brain knows it is not) therefore it can do no harm.

any evidence to the contrary is simple false, wrong. Or better yet, all the evidence it just a test by god to test your emunhua

no amount of evidence will convince them otherwise

to Exposing Lies

there has been recorded death because of MP recently, in the early 1900's in NY and many deaths in Europe that let many sane robonum to ban MP.

of course you simply do not believe that to you it is all lies

Jeff

Where do YOU think G-d would send people that suck infant penis? Really/

Posted by: Dovit | March 12, 2012 at 06:15 AM

I don't condone the concept of eternal hell even for them, but of course, that isn't what the trolls above were saying. They were saying (or at least implying strongly) that one goes there for being an atheist, which is synonymous with using the brains their Invisible Friend supposedly gave us.

Oh, one of them seems to think I'll go there for being an asshole, which is distinctly possible.

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