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February 29, 2012

Pupa Rabbi Busted In Cigarette Tax Fraud

Handcuffs2Meshulam Rothschild, a gabbai, assistant, to the Pupa Rebbe, was selling illegal cigarettes bearing no tax stamps out of his warehouse on Spencer Street in Williamsburg, Brooklyn when he was busted in a raid earlier this month by the Brooklyn DA’s office and feds from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Rothschild also was charged with criminal possession of a forged instrument for allegedly possessing more than 11,000 phony tax stamps from the Old Dominion state. That top rap could land him 15 years behind bars.

 

Holy smokes! Rabbi in cig-tax bust
JOHN CRUDELE, WILLIAM J. GORTA & REUVEN FENTON • New York Post

A Brooklyn rabbi who allegedly scammed the state out of nearly $200,000 a week in unpaid cigarette taxes has been snuffed out of business, The Post has learned.

Authorities say Meshulam Rothschild, 26, was moving illegal cigarettes bearing no tax stamps out of his warehouse on Spencer Street in Williamsburg.

The Post witnessed his arrest in a raid earlier this month by the Brooklyn DA’s office and feds from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

Rothschild, a member of the Pupa Hasidic sect, allegedly purchased the untaxed cigarettes in Virginia and then peddled them to bodegas and shops in Chinatown and elsewhere in the city.

He moved about 3,600 cartons a week, sources said. The state lost about $50 in tax on each contraband carton.

One source said Rothschild actually had to start sending the cigarettes back to Virginia for phony tax stamps at one point because Chinatown merchants were refusing to buy the unstamped packs — for fear they were inferior fakes from China.

Rothschild also was charged with criminal possession of a forged instrument for allegedly possessing more than 11,000 phony tax stamps from the Old Dominion state. That top rap could land him 15 years behind bars.

Also arrested in the scheme were three members of the same family: Nasmi Havolli, 51; his son Nart, 20; and Nasmi’s nephew Blerim, 24.

In all, 23 people have been busted for beating the state and city out of more than $2 million in cigarette taxes, officials said.

A fraction of the money has been recovered through forfeitures.

In one case, cig-tax scofflaw Mamdu Bayy, 34, forfeited almost $240,000, and in another, cheat Ching Chong Lam, 46, gave up $180,000 to satisfy the charges against them, a spokeswoman for the Brooklyn DA said.

During another sting, two men, Gani Hodja and Abdul Herkash met with an undercover investigator to buy untaxed cigarettes and wound up spraying the operative with mace. They then stole the shipment of Newports and Marlboros, the spokeswoman said.

They were charged with robbery.

[Hat Tip: Sarek of Vilcan.]

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Now deborah feldman has a new story for her second book,with the approval shmaryah. All details of this story must be true because failled messia carried it.

The headline identifies him as a rabbi - the text as a gabbai?

@purim shpiel

The details of the story are that they have been arrested and accused. That is fact. Whether they are guilty is to be determined, and nowhere in the story or commentary do I see where Shmarya has said or implied otherwise.

Your example is an excellent one - to MY point. If the charges prove false, Shmarya will undoubtedly let us know.

If Bloomberg would of said to the smokers
Look your smoking habit costs the city of NY such and such a year, and we have to recover these expenses dollar for dollar, or even if he would make smoking illegal altogether,no one would have a problem with it.

But this czar, first made the smokers a third class citizen,and is now making a cash cow out of the smokers,just because he CAN.

So what HE did was what the feds did with the ban on alcohol, and made 20 percent of the population into criminals. Who- in his right mind- will purchase a pack of cigarettes- on a daily basis- for 12 bucks?
He's basically "forcing" people to break the law!

Yeh sure Bloomberg says that HE reduced smoking with 25 percent,but nobody is buying his crap!everybody knows from where these so called 25 percent quitters buy their cigarettes.

All details of this story must be true because failled messia carried it.

Posted by: purim shpiel | February 29, 2012 at 08:57 AM

Just as you know it CAN'T be true because it involves one of your holy gedoylim.

Oy, nebech, nebech, the antisemites have arrested the rebbe! Quick, light the trash cans!

Its not only smokers that he turned into his pigy bank!
Its ALL city agencies, working for the same goal!

For example.
The sanitation department is NOT a garbage collection anymore.
Its goal is how much money they can bring in for the city from sanitation violations.

The traffic dep. Is now a ticket machine, not to control traffic in the city.

The building department, isn't anymore a building safety regulator, its how much "stop orders"($5,000 for the first) the agency can give.


Water dep. Isn't standing for clean drinkable water anymore. How much percent CAN I increase it this year? ETC.

Posted by: מרדכי סטמר | February 29, 2012 at 09:27 AM

WHY ARE YOU HERE? You still refuse to give a straight answer to that question. Moreover, how is it, if you work, as you say you do, that you have the time to post comments here repeatedly during the day?

מרדכי You really blew it on this one. People don't NEED to smoke! It's a filthy habit that causes disease in themselves and others. There are many options to help people quit smoking. If they're short on cash, they'll save a fortune when they quit as well.

I always found it rather odd that people who claim to be on a higher religous standing than the rest of us would smoke. I mean after all, doesn't it say in the shulchan aruch that you should abide to safety rules even more stringently than issurim?

Just a thought, but with their holier-than-thou attitude you'd think they would, I don't know, avoid this kinda thing. So much for that, right?

I'm still amazed at how a cigarette can be considered kosher.

the headline should say the Puppu gabbai not the Rabbi himself

unless I am missing something

I'm still amazed at how a cigarette can be considered kosher.

They aren't.

he is the pupa shames. but every barber is a rabbi when something goes worng

great journalism.. he is 26 and his 20 year old son was arrested too.

If the charges prove false, Shmarya will undoubtedly let us know.

Posted by: rebitzman | February 29, 2012 at 09:12 AM

Don't count on it. A story usually gets posted here if it is of a negative nature.

Mordechai, what does Bloomberg have to do with this? The cigarette tax is a STATE tax. Direct your complaints to the state legislature and governor.

mmm

reread the article

Nasmi Havolli, 51; his son Nart, 20;

Does Chung Chong sell Chinese cigs?

When the gabbai needs to evade taxes, you can be sure he calls himself rabbi.

And it's never the crook's fault. It's always the mayor, governor, or someone else's fault, but never the frummer crook's fault.

What about this shlesinger who is in jail for life for laundering money to the cartels this happened a decade ago or more he is a hassid from williamsburg also life in jail what a tzadik theese hassids are.

another scholar disciple of the besh't.
kidish hashem of the 1st order.
mamesh mamesh
עַל הַצַּדִּיקִים וְעַל הַחֲסִידִים, וְעַל זִקְנֵי עַמְּךָ בֵּית יִשְׂרָאֵל, וְעַל פְּלֵיטַת סוֹפְרֵיהֶם
a real seuyfer!

מרדכי-

is anything you say ever accurate?
Bloomberg would of said to the smokers
Look your smoking habit costs the city of NY such and such a year, and we have to recover these expenses dollar for dollar..

thats almost exactly what was done. since smokers have higher lifetime medical costs , medicaire and medicaid suffer the burden. higher taxes push the burden where it belongs-the smoker.

then you said...

or even if he would make smoking illegal altogether,no one would have a problem with it.

one of the stupidest comments ever. NO ONE WOULD HAVE A PROBLEM?!!!!!!?
enacting a prohibition on cigs would be met with a response that would look like civil war.

So what HE did was what the feds did with the ban on alcohol,

wrong again, dummy.

keep defending your criminal lowlife fellow charedim. its what charedim do. is it because it helps them avoid the reality that their ideology is morally bankrupt?

The comments above from מרדכי סטמר , provides a great insight in to the minds of hasidic (satmer) people in regards to disobeying secular laws and stealing taxes, madicade, food stamps, section 8 and school vouchers. It shows that these people don't even feel guilty when doing these wrongs. The culprit of this criminal mindset is the education that they receive in their sheltered schools for the first 20 years of their life. The only hope for the American government to change these people for good upstanding citizens is to force them to change their education system.

Jancsibacsi, perhaps the biggest Satmar crook is Samet. Read this document:

http://www.justice.gov/usao/nys/pressreleases/
June03/samet222sentence.pdf

"...Judge McMahon said, “This case is extraordinary because of the breadth and scope of the frauds committed, the period of time over which they were committed and the chutzpah of the people committing them.” She added, “Mordechai Samet lived a life of unremitting fraud. For many years Mordechai Samet’s life has been completely dedicated to the pursuit of crime. He defines the word ‘racketeer.’” ..."

Of course, the Satmar went nuts trying to get him off, to no avail, and so now he sits and rots with Rubashkin.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClMO4oyndiM&feature=related

First of all,
Rothchild was released "without" posting a bond, that translates to me,that the feds looked at him as a small fish in comparison to the other culprits,

What I meant with "if he would of made it illegal" I mean that he made the non smokers believe that its OK to "fine" the smokers up to a point when for the ordinary tom dick and harry,its impossible to keep up with the price.(And for some it may even look as a "ban" on purchasing "legal" cigarettes) So I challenged this mind set, that he should of banned it altogether.
So it would of made more sense. But NO! He wants people should not quit, he needs the "surplus" money for the rest of the budget.

And when you make peoples habit so expensive,eventually people will start braking the law,
and there will always be greedy people who will try make money out of the trap that Bloomberg set them up, knowing that this "will happen",

The New York Post - who else!

מרדכי based on your flawed logic we should legalize herion too.

keep defending your criminal lowlife fellow charedim. its what charedim do. is it because it helps them avoid the reality that their ideology is morally bankrupt?

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | February 29, 2012 at 10:38 AM
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This is not a chariedim issue!

Ask any smoker in NY and he will tell you that on each and every corner in the city. You will have a deli or store who sells legal cigarettes (and NOT making a profit on it)only for a cover, and also sells illegal cigarettes where they make a profit on it.

מרדכי
Is this really you?or waiting4moshiach is posting with your handle?

In any case im not trying to defend anyone here.But since were on this topic about king Bloomberg it is no secret that he is all about grabbing money from citizens rich or poor.Everything went up in fines since this spoiled brat became king of NY but with services he went down.Criminals shooting at cops went up as well.
Boy do i miss Rudy even as corrupt as he was he did an excellent job saving NY.And off course the criminals were frightened of Rudy.

This is not a chariedim issue!

another charedi POS criminal, and another charedi fool apologist (you). and another charedi giving jews a bad name. youre dishonest scum. thanks yoel. you left the world to deal with your amoral flock.


The New York Post - who else!

Posted by: YN

yeah, THATS the problem. let me guess....youre charedi? (rhetorical)

Posted by: Deremes | February 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM
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Did you take it as me apologizing for Rothchild?

Listen, all I did is lay bare my disgust to Bloomberg.

I'm not a smoker. but I have friends who do smoke. And what I get from them is, that a non smoker would only understand their plight when price of bread will go up the same as cigarettes,

You have people who started smoking just ten years ago when the price of a pack was in the range of $2.75 and now its with $10 dollars more, just because one (jew...) rich dude has decided that HE can make smokers a second class citizen. and the rest of the population will go along with it.

Try to imagine that bread will cost $20 with a "legal" stamp. And you can buy at the same store a bread with a fake stamp, would you feel guilty to buy the fake one, for $7?

All I'm saying is that HE made ordinary people,into law breakers.

Again I wasn't defending the dealers. They did the "crime" because they wanted to make money.

(Btw isn't this the same kind of argument that had California legalize marijuana?)

Boy do i miss Rudy even as corrupt as he was he did an excellent job saving NY.And off course the criminals were frightened of Rudy.
Posted by: Deremes | February 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM

I could picture that, this guy walking down the dark street, looking for a victim to rob, but in the last second he went to church to repent because he was afraid of Rudy. You sound silly.

Mordechai Satmar

I have to call your bluff. You have a middle school grasp on US history (at least) and you keep up with laws and current events around the country. You also write respectably in English Any of these would make you an an outcast in Satmar.

Fess up. You have an education. How did they let that happen?

The New York Post - who else!

Posted by: YN


yeah, THATS the problem. let me guess....youre charedi? (rhetorical)

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | February 29, 2012 at 11:39 AM

Actually not.

The average non-Jewish Joe out there does not differentiate among the various flavors of Judaism. This hurts all Jews. The New York Post does not post all criminal activities that occur in New York City but culls all the Jewish ones, hence my note of "The New York Post - who else".

I think you are all missing the bigger issue. The cigarettes may have been infested with small bugs.

PUPA RABBI? THE LAST TIME I CHECKED HE WAS THE "MIKVA YID" IN PUPA

As soon a frum person is arrested automatically he becomes a Rabbi.

YN -

the post prints all manner of crime from all groups. black, jewish, italian, russian. it sells papers. but people assume chassidim dress differently for reasons other than fashion . they are presumed to be announcding their piety and need to separate from the less moral masses. they are also immediately recognized as jews-in fact, super jews- so when they commit crimes like this they are begging to be in the news.
the problem isnt the post unless they are inventing the crimes they write about.

PUPA RABBI? THE LAST TIME I CHECKED HE WAS THE "MIKVA YID" IN PUPA

Posted by: Abe


well then i guess that makes all the difference in the world and its NOT a chillul hashem and embarrassment to all jews.

++As soon a frum person is arrested automatically he becomes a Rabbi++

It seems like as soon as a person becomes a rabbi, he turns into a crook.

Fess up. You have an education. How did they let that happen?

Posted by: rebeljew | February 29, 2012 at 12:13 PM
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Are you so far removed from us that you don't know that there are several yiddish newspapers that cover "everything" news worthy?(Except what "we" deem unworthy)

And a whole lot of jewish magazines and (jeff will say distorted...)history books.
(My kids at age 7 read the complete ww2 chronicle "in yiddish")

We are NOT blind and deaf, buddy!

As for my english, if you know yiddish, you would of long ago realized that my grammar is yiddish, and the way I write you can see that my brain is thinking in yiddish and "than" it translates into english....

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | February 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM
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Totally right

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | February 29, 2012 at 12:52 PM
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Totally right

(My kids at age 7 read the complete ww2 chronicle "in yiddish")

How long could it have taken? "The frei yidden caused the Holocaust!" The End.

As for my english, if you know yiddish, you would of long ago realized that my grammar is yiddish, and the way I write you can see that my brain is thinking in yiddish and "than" it translates into english....

It's nothing to be proud of.

As soon a frum person is arrested automatically he becomes a Rabbi.

Posted by: Deremes | February 29, 2012 at 12:42 PM

he probably list himself as a rabbi or call himself a Rabbi to get discounts or avoid paying taxes an his telephone bell like some yiddin do.

therefore, he is reported as a Rabbi.

Blame the scammers not the messenger.

nevertheless, when one is dressed like a chussid, he is telling the world I am a pious person, and behave in a pious way. That is way it is bigger news that when a regular Joe gets arrested

bottom line if chassdeim would condemn these guys instead of alway trying to defend them and making excuses for them, it would happen less. and then the post would have less to report.

As long as chassideim will condemn a person who eats choluv stam more than they condemn people who do such stuff it will only encourage others to do fraud. But he will never eat cholov stam, since he does not want to be condemned from their own.

But fraud is never condemned sadly

Folks, I'm starting to think we should reconsider our position. I mean, how do I explain to my kids that I work hard, pay taxes, obey the law... all for a pittance, when instead I could be a haredi rabbi raking in more tax-free than a crack dealer at public schools?
I'm going to sign up for lessons tomorrow.

Or Eli,you can become a Jewish fraudster banker on wall st and drain the US economy by stealing billions of doallrs.
A fraudster haredi rabbi wont get you to far besides cheating on food stamps,section8,medicaid it will get you probably as far as an extra fifty thousands dollars a year.

But a haredi fraudster on Wall St could combine the best of both crooked worlds, and make a fortune!

But i doubt that a frum looking haredi person can get a job on Wall St even if he has the education that qualifies.

But i doubt that a frum looking haredi person can get a job on Wall St even if he has the education that qualifies. Posted by: Deremes | February 29, 2012 at 01:50 PM
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You may only "assume" when you will have a chariedi that qualifies and denied because he's chariedi.

There are plenty of guys with yarmulkes working on Wall St.

Deremes-As i said before youre the champion of the fools,every word you write here is a tottal lie if a person is qualified and he asks for no special treatment he gets the job he is qualified for

Deremes-FOOL AGAIN COME TO BP AND ON ONE BLOCK ALOCK OVER 100 FAMILIES HAVE SEC.8 FOOD STAMP VOUCHERS THATS 100 MILLION DOLLARS ALONE ON ONE BLOCK FIGURE THERE ARE HUNDREDS OF BLOCK WITH SIMILAR SITUATION YOURE THE BIGGEST FAKER IN THE UNIVERS WRITING HERE WHATS 50 THOUSAND COMPARTED TO MADDOFS YOU SHOITE SHEBESHOITIM.

מרככי another point you are missing is that most Poskim have ossured smoking as a shmirat haguf issue and anyone abetting the tax crime is also helping people to not follow the Poskim apart from the issues of דינה דמלכותה דינה

mEANT TO WRITE 10 MILLION NOT 10

jancsibacsi,Di oisgeflikter alter tipish read again what i wrote i was talking individually,farshtiest? di potato kup

Satmar

I speak Yiddish fluently and your English grammar is nothing of the sort. You have a secular education. You're busted, baby. Tell me more about prohibition. I'm dying to hear.

In the past, I have read your posts and wondered the very same thing. The only remaining question is why you consider this something to apologize for.

: DeremeyOURE EVEN DUMBER THEN I TOUGHT ,I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT YOU WROTE, BUT ADD UP THOSE INDIVIDUALS AND YOU GET MADDOF STYLE RIPOFF

מרככי another point you are missing is that most Poskim have ossured smoking as a shmirat haguf issue and anyone abetting the tax crime is also helping people to not follow the Poskim apart from the issues of דינה דמלכותה דינה Posted by: Shlomo | February 29, 2012 at 03:06 PM
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I wasn't talking halacha, I'm talking human nature,
Its unfair to restrict people up to a point where they "have" to break the law!
(Besides the point that the law was enacted by a dictator "unfairly" and "his" laws are NOT falling under dinah demalchisa).


This man- in a normal times- would have been runned out of town by the masses (whom he looks down with disdain)along with deafening music, the second the masses would of noticed his שחצנות shachtzunis!
But we live in times that people are "fed" with news and facts, so he has the money to "feed" them the news and facts "he" wants.

Satmar

I speak Yiddish fluently and your English grammar is nothing of the sort. You have a secular education. You're busted, baby.

Tell me more about prohibition. I'm dying to hear.
In the past, I have read your posts and wondered the very same thing. The only remaining question is why you consider this something to apologize for.

Posted by: rebeljew | February 29, 2012 at 03:25 PM
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Maybe the reason why you think that my english is perfect.
IS because you speak yiddish....

I'm not apologizing at all.

Anyhow, if you read yiddish and want to read yiddisha magazines, you can start with "der shtern" and "der shpactive"
Both very nicely written and professional.

rebeljew-look what mordechay wrote :
This man- in a normal times- would have been runned out of town;
do you consider this proper english he should of written chased out not runned out haha.

מרדכי You're right It's not a haredi issue. That's why thousands of people buy cigarettes on Indian reservations- to save money on taxes. However you can't reasonably defend breaking the law because the price of an addictive toxic substance is too high.

Janscibasci-- he could have written run out of town ,as well ;-)

SkepticalYid-right you are:)

At least you all agree with me that he's a terrible mayor...

Runned-chased-pushed-kicked out isn't the point...
Out of town is what it counts

Posted by: מרדכי סטמר | February 29, 2012 at 04:36 PM

WHY ARE YOU HERE? You still refuse to give a straight answer to that question. Moreover, how is it, if you work, as you say you do, that you have the time to post comments here repeatedly during the day?

Jeff -Thats a 60 thousand dollar question that needs to be anwered as i wrote before, no doudbt about it he is an nk ,their sole purpose in this world is to cause chaos and anarchy and discord among jews divide them,divide and conquer is their goal

Our friend Mordecai Satmar would like you to believe that the crook was acting altruistically on behalf of NY smokers.

Oy nebech nebech, cigarettes are so expensive because of the evil government's tax laws. I will be a tzaddik and break the evil law, even at my own risk, in order to get my fellow citizens lower priced cigarettes.

Reminds me of The Simpsons episode, 'Bart the Murder' (#304).

http://simpsonsepisodes.com/viewer/watch.php?jump=304

no doudbt about it he is an nk

Perhaps, but let's see if he'll admit it.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar | February 29, 2012 at 05:17 PM

are you the original woolsilkstocking

Nebech, being a Yid is not cheap! At least he has a good reason. The Italians do this all the time and so too the indians on reservations but no one dares complain about them. Let one Yid do one thing and it is front page new york post news.

Once again, Mordechai Satmar, the cigarette tax comes from Albany. Bloomberg, no matter how much you hate him, has nothing to do with it.

Seymour, LOL!

MSatmar

You wrote:
you can start with "der shtern" and "der shpactive"

Please let me know where these are sold? I only know Algemeyner, Der Yid and Di Blatt.

I would like to read some of the others but am in Maryland and have no access to them here.

BTW, what does "der shpactive" mean in Yiddish? I never heard such a phrase or word.

Gawwd, I love this website. CBS's 60 Minutes could have years of material from our shenanigans.

its like a headline congressman arrested for.... when a staffer was arrested


Posted by: WoolSilkCotton, rock star and sports superstar | February 29, 2012 at 05:17 PM
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Please! I did not defend the "crooks". I was defending ordinary "evil" NY'ers that are "purchasing" illegal cigarettes.
And I also pointed out that Rothchild is the "smallest" fish between the others arrested.

Let me ask you, if bread would've cost $20 and you could buy it from a "crook" for $8, would you care that you are at fault that a "crook" is making money on your breaking the law?

Jans: jeff:

If you weren't satisfied with my answer that I recently wrote, than I can't help you,
You don't expect me to publicize my identity...
And definitely not my bank account...(Believe me, it will anger you much more then if I would of been a NK)

The reason why people write anonymously on blogs, IS because it gives them immunity from people like you.

At least I'm telling you from which community I am (proudly) from. And you have only your username "exposed" so I can't even deride you if someone from your surroundings-or even yourself- gets arrested or what.

I said may times that I'm not an NK, if I would've been able to defend them, I might of been an NK, but I can't so I'm not.

Mm:

Please do the readers here a favor, and do a google search before you post (twice) your "facts".
While these days the state has a much higher tax on cigs than the city.
The one person who single handidly started the national mind set (at a time when cigarette smoke didn't even "smell"...remember not long ago when in restaurants,airplanes right next to you someone could smoke and you didn't even notice)that there's money to be made out of the "evil smokers" . IS Bloomberg.

Litvish

I think that the 2 magazines are owned by same people, because one comes out every second weed and the next second week the other rolls out.
I only had under my hands "Der shtern" call them and see if they will mail it to you 1845-290-6159 and they might give you info on "der shpaktive" .

Shpaktive stands for telescope (I think that there's a similar sounding term in english ,but I have now a brain freeze)

Mordche - you could answer Jeff's question of "Do you work?" without revealing your identity, or your bank account number for that matter. It's a yes or no question and reveals not much about you except your employment status.

You can also have the courtesy to answer Jeff's question of why you are here trolling on this website.

As far as Bloomberg goes, we live in a democracy. He is not a dictator, and did not take rulership of the City of New York by force. He was elected to office in a democratic election. You may not like it, but that is the fact. Obama, who you surely dislike as well, was also elected by way of democratic election.

Bashar Assad, on the other hand, is a dictator, as was his father before him. He makes rules and laws without any democratic process, and controls the country by force. Dictators are also known as "autocrats". Look that word up.

A Chassidishe Rebbe is also a dictator, however he only has spiritual control of those who are part of his Chassidus. A Rebbe is a "theocrat" - which is a religious autocrat, ruling by way of religion.

Rebbes do not get voted in or out of office, there are no elections to put them in power, and there is no one in the Chassidus who can control them or remove them from office. When a Rebbe makes a religious edict (rule/declaration) it is not voted upon by a body of elected representatives, by the people, for the people. It is the theocratic rule of religion and it must be followed by all adherants of the Chassidus. The Rebbe's control and power is absolute and cannot be challenged, not in 4 years or 6, or 8 or 35.

I'm really glad we don't live in Syria, or Iran. And personally, I'm rather grateful that I didn't grow up in Satmar, or under the rulership of any of the Rebbes. I have enough friends and family who did, and they either live double lives, or very unhappily accepted and went along with it for the sake of their families.

Out of all the damage that Chassidish Rebbes have done, Reb Yoilish did the most damage of all, because his legacy of hate has not died. His treatise "V'yoel Moshe", his encouraging demonstrations, teaching hate, which led to voilence, and the voilence nowadays that is taught to the kids in Satmar cheider who are taught to HATE something they don't even understand - I believe to be the most violent and destructive force in all of world Jewry today. It is Satmar that gave birth to Neturei Karta. Mazal Tov Reb Yoilish on your einikel "Neturei Karta", great job you did there (NOT!!!).

And don't tell me that Reb Yoiel didn't encourage voilence. Voilence is the natural child of HATE. He taught HATE and taught that that HATE was for holy purposes. And teaching HATE will breed Violence. Too bad he couldn't learn that from the Holocaust, even though he was an eye witness to it and saw how it worked first hand.

You would think that a supposedly wise victim of hate and violence would teach his chassidim to love and not to hate. No, he had to teach and breed hate and send them on hate demonstrations and teach them that entire populations of Jews were to be hated. Beautiful. And the people keep bowing...
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Mordecai Satmar, what a joke you are. The stupid comparison of cigarettes and bread is exactly what Fat Tony the Mafia Boss on The SImpsons cartoon said when he tried to justify smuggling cigarettes.

Buying cigarettes on an Indian reservation in Connecticut is legal. People who do so are not breaking the law. It's like buying booze at the duty-free shop in an airport on your way home from another country.

WSC, I'm sure he doesn't know what The Simpsons is.

Abracadabra-You're on crack.

Posted by: Abracadabra: World Famous Mekubal, Gadol, Baal Moifes & Lamed Vavnik. Brachos Only $36, 3 for $100. | March 01, 2012 at 02:45 AM
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I said before that I work all day and my writings does NOT effect my job.
Why I'm here is very simple, I love reading "everything" and I have bookmarked FM more then 4 years ago, but I never was going to post anything and I still do not post anywhere else, till one day I couldn't hold back not to tweak Shmaryah about the release of the Eidah Gabbi, and from that point on it started
(t)rolling.
(And it will eventually stop, I hope very soon)

Now,I still don't know why it is only me that you guys insist to know more about, than any other "username" out here?.


As for Bloomberg, I do appreciate a "leader" who stands his grounds and does not have to first check outside which side the wind is blowing.
so now you would ask what I don't like about Bloomberg, my answer is very simple, when a stubbornness and feeling self righteous is coming out of looking down at the masses and controlling them by his personal wealth .
remember when he ran for his first term on a term limits platform, and then HE "influenced" the city council to change it for him and them "only" ,(not to mention his numerous switching parties for political opportunitism, and claiming that he's doing it out of being "above" party lines)

He than -with his money- had all polling data showing that he "leads" his opponent with 15-20 points, so more then 200,000 less NY'ers,- than in 2005 when he won with a landslide- showed up at the poling stations, and tweaked out a mere 45,000 some vote advantage to "win" a "democratic" election.

to top it off he then has the chutzpah to say on national television that the "country" isn't ready to have a ,short -single-rich-jewish "president" ,fech!

I would rather take President Bush's stubbornness and self righteousness that stems out of "cowboyism" than from someone that it stems out of "contempt" towards the average Joe.


About Satmar Rav . Later


Jeff:
I proudly don't have a clue about simpson.

Posted by: מרדכי סטמר

Thanks for helping me out on this.

Abracadabra-

true dat.

מרדכי סטמר-I proudly don't have a clue about simpson.
Oy gevalt you dont know what youre missing oy nebeh.

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