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January 21, 2012

Jewish Newspaper Proposes Obama's Assassination

Andrew B AdlerThe Chabad-affiliated owner-editor-publisher of the Atlanta Jewish Times, Andrew Adler, says Israel has three options to deal with Iran's nuclear ambitions. One of those options, he says, is a Mossad assassination of US President Barack Obama.

Adler has since apologized for this monstrosity. He also claims he wrote it simply to get reaction from his readers:

Andrew B Adler Atlanta Jewish Times Kill Obama 1-13-2012

Adler's membership in Chabad and his apology is reported by the Forward:

…“Did I go too far? Yes. Do I regret it? Yes,” Adler told the Forward on Friday. “I should have thought about it twice and three times.”

Offering up a series of options that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu might pursue, Adler writes that one choice would be to, “Take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel.”

The publisher went on to forcefully reiterate his opinion: “Yes, you read … correctly. Order a hit on a president in order to preserve Israel’s existence. Think about it.”

“You have got to believe, like I do, that all options are on the table,” he wrote.…

Adler, who is a member of the Chabad Movement and has been active in the Atlanta Jewish community for years, bought the paper 2-1/2 years ago. It has a circulation of between 3,000 and 4,000…

This dangerous, moronic column was published the same week that Ami Magazine, a Brooklyn-based haredi publication, published an issue whose cover showed the White House draped in Nazi flags with a batallion of Nazi soldiers goosestepping in front of it. The caption? "The Return of Anti-Semitism." (Like Adler, Ami's publisher/editor Rabbi Yitzchok Frankfurter also apologized for his poor judgement – once the press started asking him about it.)

This type of Obama=Nazi, Obama hates Israel, Obama is a Muslim who hates Israel, bizzaro talk is, unfortunately, common in Chabad and haredi communities.

Chabad views any trade of land for peace as heretical and an existential threat to Israel's existence. Add on top of that any acknowledgement by  a politician that Israel may not always be right abd you have a tinderbox waiting to ignite.

This same view has become common in haredi communities as more haredim have moved to the West Bank due to housing shortages in their home communities in Israel, and since Rabbi Schach, who was the Israeli haredi leader for many years, died. Rabbi Schach viewed ceding land for peace as a justifiable option Israel might take. This is much less true for his successor.

At any rate, I don't think Adler pulled the idea of killing President Obama out of thin air.

I think Adler heard the kind of talk many of us heard in shul just before the Oslo Accords were signed – talk that eventually led to Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin's assassination – to eleiminate the existential threat, the leader most associated with it had to be killed.

I'm sad to say that 18 years ago, I participated in some of those discussions and my opinion was no less malignant than the others.

Why did I?

In large part because fundamentalism does not allow for compromise or for gray areas. All things become black or white, and all decisions of existential import must conform with the fundamentalist doctrine.

That Oslo or Obama's policies pose existential threats to Israel's existence was decided by fundamentalist leaders – in my case, the Lubavitcher Rebbe. What was left for the rest of us was to decide what we could do about it.

For most people in these groups, there isn't much they can or will actually do about these threats other than talk about them, pray about them and educate about them.

But for some – a small minority, to be sure – this talk, education and prayer leads to action, and some of those actions are violent.

It only took one such fundamentalist to assassinate Yitzhak Rabin and, as far as we know, only one actually got as far as trying to do that. Unfortunately, he was successful.

But there were many more on the edge, people who thought about doing it, who may have even planned doing it, but for whatever reason – cowardice; a moment of rational thought; or the understanding that a bullet once shot and once it finds it target cannot be undone, which required a level of absolute certainty and absolute faith the fundamentalist lacked – did not in the end pull the trigger.

What Adler's column and Ami Magazine's cover signify is not that there are hundreds of thousands of haredim who are actively trying to or planning to assassinate President Obama.

What they signify is that process that might lead to this crime exists, and that within the walls of Chabad and haredi synagogues, yeshivas and organizations, there are people who think killing the president is a real option. And in that group of people are a few, perhaps only one, who might seriously try to do it.

That Adler and Ami Magazines editor/publisher Rabbi Yitzchok Frankfurter are irresponsible, reckless and foolish is clear.

In an ideal world, their publications would go out of business because no one would advertise in them or pay to read them.

But they are not the real danger.

The real danger is that lone fundamentalist assassin who has heard from his rabbis or read in Adler's paper that Obama's policies pose an existential threat to Israel's existence, and that one of the ways to deal with that terrible threat might be to kill the president.

This lone assassin cannot choose to attack Hamas and Hezboallah or attack Iran. He lacks the resources and the skill set to do so.

But this lone assassin can try do what Israel's lone assassin did in 1995.

That is what makes what Adler and Ami did so dangerous.

We should all certainly strongly condemn Adler's column and Ami Magazine, and we should certainly stop buying Ami and/or the Atlanta Jewish Times or supporting them in any way.

But we also have to condemn the fundamentalism that created them and we must distance ourselves from it in evey way possible.

Doing otherwise encourages the extremism that could easily destroy us.

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Moron. Letting it slip verbally is one thing but in writing, when you check and recheck everything...........

this will be a field day for the antisemitic people
proof that Jews are Israel citizen first and USA second

sometime one needs to shut up

anyway I do not think obama hates Israel i just think he truly believes he can talk to the Arabs to accept Israel existence

This makes me very angry.

He does not look like a member of Chabad.He probably just attends services at an affiliate

This guy is a total moron and deserves to be made a pariah in the Jewish community. He also deserves a 3 am knock at his front door from the Secret Service.

His Chabad affiliation is irrelevant.

This man needs to be arrested.

One of those options, he says, is a Mossad assassination of US President Barack Obama.

I sure hope that Mossad does not now feel compelled to carry out the assassination!

Please tell me that no Jew knowingly did this.

CNN is now overflowing with comments from those who hate Israel and Jews.

This justifies everything they have been preaching for years.

One such incident like this does more harm than anything the Arabs or others may do to us.

Much of the world is waiting, ready for Jews to screw up and reveal themselves as the horrible, satanic, monsters that our enemies portray us as.

And Adler has done them a great favor.

No matter how much good we may do, this will forever be trotted out by anti-Semites as proof of our inherent disloyalty to our country.

That Adler may have any affiliation with Chabad is totally beside the point.

The phrase "Bad for the Jews" doesn't even begin to cover this. His lame-ass non-apology holds as much water as a cotton candy sieve.

He can go to jail for that. freedom of speech laws do not protect one saying "assassinate the president".

Also, Obama isn't as bad as propaganda makes him look. I never saw an Obama hater with all his facts straight. Assassinating Obama to save israel from iran makes absolutely no sense.

Plus, if israel needs to resort to such depravities to preserve itself, is such an interpretation of israel really worth preserving?

Also, it's selfish to want to do things that make many other innocent people suffer just to protect israel from imagined threats. such thinking should be eradicated from all of jewry. This kind of talk does more harm than good for jews anyway, maybe he's an anti-semite infiltrator himself.

This sort of thing does get you investigated by the Secret Servuce, has done for years.

I've been in some of the Atlanta area Chabad houses; they have a good many attendees who are not themselves Hasidic. I believe he's one of those many. I was in one Chabad house there where the only copies of that rag I could find were old copies on a shelf in the bathroom, if that tells you anything.

Does this screwball attend services where a hatemonger preacher is giving radical sermons from the pulpit? Chabad has its associates in Washington that act like ǜber patriots, but it has another element (definitely more vocal pre-9/11) that hates and spoke against "liberal" America, sounding just like the Taliban.

He might just get a visit from the secret service. Really stupid journalism. He should think before he writes.

…That Adler may have any affiliation with Chabad is totally beside the point.

Posted by: Litvish | January 21, 2012 at 06:50 PM

No, it really isn't.

Read my post again – including the long section just posted at the end. (I hit publish too early in the process, and what you first read is only a small part of the post.)

Chabad theology plays a key role in this, and to pretend otherwise is foolish.

He's not much of an analyst either. There are a multitude of options available to solve the Iran-West imbroglio.

Reconvended NPT Conference anyone ?

Chabad theology plays a key role in this, and to pretend otherwise is foolish.

Posted by: Shmarya |
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A key role?

Where is your evidence for this?

The fact that he hangs out at a Chabad shul is the evidence?

I love this site and support your work but, No, I don't agree that," Chabad theology plays a key role in this, and to pretend otherwise is foolish."

Yes, Chabad and much of the orthodox right condemns Obama and some even call for his demise but there is no hard evidence to link Adler to all of this.

It will be interesting to see how Chabad responds to all of this.

I wish there were standards and accountability for members of the media. These bozos can say what they want with impunity. I wish this idiot can be jailed for treason.

KJ, there are standards. One of them is Advocating the murder of the President is a crime

KJ, there are standards. One of them is Advocating the murder of the President is a crime

Posted by: A. Nuran | January 21, 2012 at 07:29 PM

The question is, will he get a pass because he is a member of the press!

60 year old draft dodger: we need to go to war now they want back Texas

retired navy seal: Um ,I think we can work this out peacefully.

draft dodger: Peace?! Talks?! No we need to send your children now!!!

This is what plays in my head whenever I hear our ultra orthodox cousins mention war.

Yes, Chabad and much of the orthodox right condemns Obama and some even call for his demise but there is no hard evidence to link Adler to all of this.

Yep - wind 'em up, set 'em loose - deny responsibility.

KJ, are you being purposely obtuse?

In addition to being offensive, dangerous, and probably illegal, this is a remarkably stupid idea in so many ways. Where is the evidence that Obama threatens Israel's security more than George W Bush (who, by the way, refused to permit the sale of bunker buster bombs to Israel because they could be used to attack Iran)? Why would anyone think that Biden is better for Israel's security than Obama? And finally, what do you think happens to US support for Israel when an a federal investigation reveals that the US president has been assassinated by Mossad?

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Now! altogether!

RUBASHKIN ROTS IN JAAAIL

Yeah, he is definitely not an Israel-Firster. In fact none of the jews are israel firsters and actually care about America.....LOL
Who are you kidding?

Rest assured the Secret Service will be all over this guy. A number of years ago I had a graduate student who was mentally unstable. While he was working on his degree, he was also teaching high school English, and he assigned an essay to his students on the topic of assassinating the president. One of the parents called this to the attention of the authorities, and the Secret Service got right on the case. This student wrote a journal in which he mentioned a number of his teachers in various contexts--including me. And we were all checked out. While the investigation was ongoing the student and his girlfriend (a very lovely young woman who was one of the very best students I ever had) fled to S. Korea where they taught English and ate dogs (kashrus notwithstanding, that's just yuck). She came to her senses, left him, and came home. I don't know what became of him. Moral of the story: don't run your mouth about assassinating a president--don't even think about it.

And what are we normal Jews supposed to do about our co-religionists who are busy fulfilling every anti-Semitic stereotype that ever existed? Hide under the table and say we don't know you, Bernie Madoff; we don't know you, Shalom Mordechai; we don't know you, money laundering rabbis; we don't know you, traffickers in kidneys; we don't know you, Dwek; we don't know you, people who spit on little girls; we don't know you, men who can't sit quietly on the bus or walk down the street minding their own business; we don't know you, Ponzi schemers; we don't know you, pedophiles and protectors of pedophiles; we don't know you, Levi Aron.

There was a time, and it wasn't long ago, when we trembled at the idea of making a shanda fur de goyim. Now the shandamachers parade themselves proudly before the whole world (and I am not talking about those who participate in the gay pride parades--I am talking about those listed above). Like it or not, we are all going to be held responsible for the horrible behavior of the few, if we don't rise up collectively and disavow those among us who are evil doers. At the moment there is a lot of making excuses for and protecting the shandamachers and very little collective disavowing (most of what little disavowing there is is aimed at Levi Aron who certainly deserves it, but so do a whole laundry list of others).

Um, let's change that headline to reflect the current facts:

Editor Apologizes for Suggesting Obama Assassination.

And keep Chabad out of this, Shmarya. Trying to tie this Chabad just makes you look like an idiot.

Mendy, let's change the headline to reflect current facts:

Editor tries to cover his bleeding ass. Secret Service not impressed. Anti-Semites ecstatic.

And by all means keep Chabad front and center. They've kept their kugel holes shut and haven't bothered to condemn him. If a Muslim newspaper sponsored by the local mosque did something like this and tried to "walk it back" you would be purple with rage. But since it's a fellow heeb you're full of righteous indignation that he's getting the hostile attention he deserves.

The proper headline for someone who non-apologizes and makes excuses for terrorist threats isn't "Mensch is big-hearted enough to admit he made a mistake." It's "Editor makes terrorist threats. Tries to backpeddle when someone notices."

What's more you'd be indignant and hateful towards all Muslims, even the ones who condemned it.

Who is Rav Shach's successor?
As one who studied in the Lithuania style yeshivos, the pretty near universal view espoused, is to give up land for real peace which will save lives.

I take it Mendy Hecht hasn't been around any CHABAD LUBAVITCH Shabbos tables in the past 4 years. The level of vitriol against President Obama gets to this level well before they finish the fish.

http://piersmorgan.blogs.cnn.com/2011/09/20/ehud-barak-obama-is-friendly-to-israel-especially-in-security-related-issues/

i know this is old, and i could not find the entire interview but Barak goes on to say Obama has been the best american president to israel in 20 years.

Trying to tie this Chabad just makes you look like an idiot.

The man self identifies a Chabad, so you can bderstand why tge connection might be made.

Do you have anything from the local Lubavich community (press release from a Chabad rabbi.......) condemning what he wrote? That would certainly create soe distance.

This guy is obviously an moron. No one in their right mind puts such an thing in print about any domestic political figure.

A key role?

Where is your evidence for this?

I don't have the books to quote sources, but Josef Schneersohn (the one who escaped the Nazis with his pots and pans), or maybe his father, is definitely on record stating that black people are half way between man and monkey. Lubavitchers accept this, such as all Schneerson blithering, as YHVH "speaking through the ‘Rebbe’s’ mouth." CHABAD hatred of Obama bizarrely goes beyond the hatred spouted by Rush Limbaugh. Despite the bullshit of their Washington team, that cozy up to whomever is in office, the *hatred* that the CHABAD community has for Obama has to have doctrinal basis. Without that, there would be no way for them to “out rightwing” both the right wing American and Israeli haters of this president.

I hope the secret service investigates, and finds some legal way to prosecute this POS.

This guy is off his face!

Silence in this matter shows approval, we must all protest and get him out of business, make his paper into pariah.

He is not our spokesperson and let there be no doubt about it.

They guy is not even orthodox. Now Chabad is responsible since he might walk into High Holiday services once a year. It pushing a point. Is the Reform movement responsible for Bernie Madoff ??

They guy is not even orthodox. Now Chabad is responsible since he might walk into High Holiday services once a year. It pushing a point. Is the Reform movement responsible for Bernie Madoff ??

Posted by: Reuvain | January 21, 2012 at 10:55 PM

I realize you're not the sharpest crayon in the box, Reuvain, but if the Reform movement commonly taught that it was okay to commit securities fraud, it would be partially responsible for Madoff.

But the Reform Movement does not teach that.

Nor does Chabad teach using violence to advance a political agenda. That is exactly the point.

Shmarya, his Chabad affiliation is irrelevant to this story.

Nor does Chabad teach using violence to advance a political agenda. That is exactly the point.

Posted by: Reuvain | January 21, 2012 at 11:20 PM

You're wrong, Reuvain.

Chabad teaches that non-Jews have lesser souls than Jews, and that those souls have no good in them at all.

Chabad also teaches that giving up any land, even for peace, is halakhicly wrong and poses and existential threat to Israel.

It also teaches violence carried out by zealots – like the biblical Pinchas but also more modern Jewish religious zealots – is not only justified, but laudable.

Chabad shuls are full of guys, including Chabad rabbis, talking about Obama's "anti-semitism," and about his "hatred" for Israel.

It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where that can lead – especially because similar talk about Yitzhak Rabin was common in 1993-95. Chabad published lots of pamphlets and books and videos 'proving' that giving up land for peace was halakhicly wrong and that it posed an existential threat to Israel.

It also backed right wing and hard right wing groups in Israel, and did more that I don't really want to get into here.

If it had done all this responsibly, that would be one thing.

But Chabad and all other groups involved were full of people calling for Rabin's murder. Many did so by claiming that halakha mandated Rabin's assassination.

To say these groups, including Chabad, do not bear some responsibility for Rabin's murder is, frankly, crazy.

In the same way, to say the atmosphere in many Chabad, haredi and some MO communities, etc., is not responsible for what, God forbid, may come is crazy.

When fundamentalist groups teach that someone or something poses an existential threat to the survival of that group or of something dear to that group, believers take that very seriously. And some of them, a minority to be sure, will try to do something about it.

And you really can't talk your way out of this one, Reuvain.

History has already proved your wrong several times over.

Shmarya, his Chabad affiliation is irrelevant to this story.

Posted by: taylor | January 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM

Sure it is – if you forget about what was going on in 1993-95, and what is going on today.

If you eliminate all that, sure, then Chabad has nothing to do with this at all.

And lord knows, rabbis advocating violence is certainly meaningless.

[/end extreme sarcasm]

Out here in the hinterland CHABAD and Homeowner Associations are identical. They both attract mostly fractured middle aged men who have no other power in life, mostly over women. The men get man crushes on the rabbis. I don't doubt that among these recently pious throngs there aren't some who would get trigger happy to garner favor and fame.

Another member of the 1st Internet Keyboard Division.

>Take out a president deemed unfriendly to Israel.

The U. S. response: Tel Aviv -> Glass Parking Lot

The opposition to giving up land because it will endanger the security of Israel to support for the assassination of a public official is a very long reach. And lets get real Israel's withdrawal from Lebanon and Gaza has caused the creation of two terror states and two wars.

But this is not the point. Chabad does not support violence. You can write on your blog what you want. But if a guy is not even religious visits a Chabad synagogue for Yom Kippur and sits in the back row for a few hours Chabad is not responsible when he writes something crazy on his newspaper.

So as the regular readers know your prime goal in life is to reveal to the world the real inside scoop on the Orthodox world, its absurd to assert that his once a year drop by daavening has anything to do with the crazy stuff he wrote in his paper.

But this is not the point. Chabad does not support violence. You can write on your blog what you want. But if a guy is not even religious visits a Chabad synagogue for Yom Kippur and sits in the back row for a few hours Chabad is not responsible when he writes something crazy on his newspaper.

You really are an idiot, Reuvain.

It is common to hear talk about Obama the "anti-Semite," the "Muslim," the "hater of Jews and Israel" within Chabad, just as it was common leading up to the Rabin assassination to hear that Rabin was a "rodef" who should be killed and other similar things within Chabad.

That Jewish newspapers have done a very poor job of reporting this anti-Obama racist bigotry is not surprising. They also did a horrible job of reporting the anti-Rabin incitement – until Rabin was murdered.

You may think you can fool people with your lies, or you may as ignorant as you are idiotic.

But the facts remain facts, and your assertion remain what they always have been – fantasy.

A couple of observations.

First, 'editorial' appeared on January 13 but it hit the national news on January 20. The JTA article dated January 20 said that he would apologize in the next issue. What was local Jewish community doing for a week? There is no apology on the paper's website which might be a nice gesture.

Second, I have zero knowledge of Andrew Adler's relationship with Chabad. Any explanation why the current Forward link omits the Chabad membership reference but it does appear in the cached version of the article?

By the way, to distinguish myself from the Steven who has already posted on this article, I will add an initial.

Shmarya, the line in your quote "Adler, who is a member of the Chabad Movement" is not in the article you linked us to. Can you update your link?

Shmarya, the line in your quote "Adler, who is a member of the Chabad Movement" is not in the article you linked us to. Can you update your link?

Posted by: Rebitzman | January 22, 2012 at 08:02 AM

It was in the original Forward article and has apparently since been edited out.

That this was done without appending a correction stating that reported affiliation is false or that some other error by the Forward forced its removal – or any notice that this article has been further edited after its original publication – tells me that no facts changed and no reporting error was made. Instead, someone simply removed that line.

That someone could be a tech or a hacker. Or it could be a Forward editor.

There is a history of the Forward n the post-Lipsky era removing anti-Chabad reporting (like deleting all of Steven I. Weiss' photos of 770 on the Rebbe's yartzeit festooned with banners proclaiming the Rebbe as the Messiah, for example, and then claiming that this censorship must have been an accident) and then making fantastical claims to explain it – my dog ate my homework type of explanations.

Take that as you will.

This issue is simple. Chabad does not teach violence.

Your long ramble about Obama and Rabin is irrelevant. Yes Obama is not popular in much of the Orthodox world. Those who do not like him will all have opportunity to vote against him, and many will based on his Israel policy.

Now you have Chabad saying Rabin was Rodef, get real this is absolute crap.

Shmarya, his Chabad affiliation is irrelevant to this story.

Posted by: taylor | January 22, 2012 at 12:04 AM

This was a directive directly from 770. Adler does not do anything unless it gets approved from the head chabad honchos, and they chose his paper for its vast circulation.

This issue is simple. Chabad does not teach violence.

Your long ramble about Obama and Rabin is irrelevant. Yes Obama is not popular in much of the Orthodox world. Those who do not like him will all have opportunity to vote against him, and many will based on his Israel policy.

Now you have Chabad saying Rabin was Rodef, get real this is absolute crap.

Posted by: Reuvain | January 22, 2012 at 08:16 AM

Reuvain, being an idiot – which you clearly are – does not excuse making statements that you haven't researched.

Literally hundreds of Chabad rabbis called Rabin a rodef. I heard some of them do it with my own ears and I know many other people who heard this, as well.

And Rabbi Avraham Hecht, a very prominent Chabad rabbi who was very close to the Rebbe – one of three or four people who could see the Rebbe whenever they wanted without going through the secretariat; Hecht could simply knock on the Rebbe's door, just like his brother JJ sometimes did – was very publicly banned from Israel because he ruled that Rabin was rodef.

The basis for Hecht's ruling was the words of the Rebbe, Menachem Mendel Schneerson.

And your idiocy, Reuvain, doesn't change these facts.

Oh I forgot maybe there is a Chabad connection to the Kennedy assassination also.

This guy goes to Chabad. So what? Is Chabad responsible for what he says and does outside Chabad?

I mean, by that logic, maybe Wal-Mart is responsible for his writing because he goes shopping there too.

Shmarya, you're brighter than that.

The media reports are that the Forward removed the reference to Chabad because there was no verification of Adler's affiliation and the Atlanta Chabad denied it. The anti-Israel +972 also notes that it removed the refernce to Chabad for the smae reason.

There is no indication from any source other that FM that Adler is a member of Chabad, represents Chabad or was influenced by Chabad. The paper's site has an ad from both Chabad and USY, and going by appearance alone, Adler looks more like a USY type. In fact he says he supports Obama, which conflicts with FM's argument of his association with Chabad.

FM should offer the proof that Adler is a follower of Chabad or failing that (pardon the pun) at least Orthodox or Chareidi.

Mendy,

You're a very dull little man.

Do try to get those synapses of yours to fire, and process this:

If WalMart taught that non-WalMart shoppers had lesser souls that had no good in them at all and labeled shopping in Target an existential threat to the existence of all that is good in the world, it would bear some responsibility for a loyal customer writing that one solution to this problem is to bomb WalMart.

But you're a very dull little man, Mendel, and you lack so very much understanding and honesty, so this is all a bit beyond you.

The media reports are that the Forward removed the reference to Chabad because there was no verification of Adler's affiliation and the Atlanta Chabad denied it. The anti-Israel +972 also notes that it removed the refernce to Chabad for the smae reason.

Quite odd that the Forward doesn't say so itself.

It certainly isn't following normal protocol.

And the actual quote from +972 is as follows:http://972mag.com/u-s-publisher-who-called-for-obama-assassination-proves-israel-firsters-exist/33484/

Update: A previous version of this post relied on information from another paper, and linked Andrew Adler to the Chabad movement. A spokesperson for Chabad contacted +972 denying this link, and we have therefore removed references to Chabad. In other words, genius, Chabad says it isn't true. The Forward changed its post but did not say why or issue a correction. And that means what I reported is accurate, and what you claimed is much less so.

as to the "genius" comment, I am well aware that your response to anyone who in any way questions or disagrees with your position is to insult them. I wasn't dsiappointed.

as to the substance, chabad doesnt need to disprove your assertion, you need to prove it. from what i read about adler, he's not likely a chabadnik.

++We should all certainly strongly condemn Adler's column and Ami Magazine, and we should certainly stop buying Ami and/or the Atlanta Jewish Times or supporting them in any way.

But we also have to condemn the fundamentalism that created them and we must distance ourselves from it in evey way possible.++


Althouh Ami and it staff belive that Obama is an antisemith, i don't think that Ami's cover page from the white house draped in Nazi flags meant to imply that Obama has antisemitic views.He is simply not that clever.
But its something that you can use to get back at Ami for his constant attack on bloggers.

Is the attack on Obama going on in Haredi communities that he is an antisemith and he hates or is unfriendly to Israel? Big time and it is almost in all circles who are influenced by the frum newspapers and by folks like Dov Hikind etc.

Besides in the Satmar community who are well known to have a strong anti Zionist anti Israel stand.
And that's why many times posters with rabbonim signed or posters from plain folks appear in shulls that people shouldn't buy publications that spews views that is anti America or for any other reason.
But on FM these bans are vilified. And here we see that when FM decides no one should buy those publication that's ok.

Guess what? No one will listen to you and people will still buy and advertise in it.
But give it time and Ami in the very near future wont be available in certain haredie neighborhoods becuase of the rabbonim asked so.

Also,both current satmar rebbes gave a speech a while back on this topic that we shouldn't support talk against Obama and they came out strongly against Dov Hikind without mentioning his name.

Religious Zionism is worse and more dangerous then secular Zionism.

as to the substance, chabad doesnt need to disprove your assertion, you need to prove it. from what i read about adler, he's not likely a chabadnik.

Posted by: anycomment | January 22, 2012 at 12:42 PM

Look, I can't help your reading comprehension issues, but do try to process.

The Forward reported the Chabad connection and as I noted several times already, it did not issue a normal correction or retraction. It simply removed that line from the story.

That is not normal protocol and to journalists, it raises several red flags.

That you don't understand this or cannot process it or don't care about it doesn't change the facts.

And I'd also note that +972 says that Chabad denied Adler's connection to them. But it says nothing about Chabad condemning the idea Adler presented.

Shmarya,

Let's see here:

"Dull little man," eh?

Firstly:

7. No name-calling, please.

Quit being a hypocrite. You've laid down rules. Stick to them.

Secondly, by "dull little man" do you mean a 40- or 50-something guy sitting in his underwear in his mother's basement (apparently, by his own admission) for 12 hours a day running a biased pseudo-whistleblower site?

Do you mean someone who doesn't have a job?

Do you mean someone whose site was called out by the New York Time as a "hate site"?

Do you mean someone exposed as a racist on Zev Brenner's radio show?

Now, as for your tenuous Chabad connection, I wouldn't be surprised if this guy can't read Hebrew. I doubt he's at the level to be learning the Tanya.

And I highly doubt he's been coming to Chabad enough for any questionable beliefs to affect him that much that he would go out and write something crazy as a direct result.

And besides that, he was a right-wing radical before he even set foot in Chabad.

So your theory that "Chabad/the Tanya made him do it" is bogus. Your case is extremely weak here, and somebody isn't looking terribly intellectual here.

Better luck next time, my friend.

No amount of attempts by me and by many others to point out the logical fallacies you expose or the foolishness of your arguments has done any good.

That could be because you're dishonest or it could be because you're dull – or it could be due to both reasons.

At any rate, try to process:

1. I don't blog from my mother's basement. I never blogged from my mother's basement and I never, ever, said that i did.

2. The New York Times did NOT label Failed Messiah a hate site. And neither did any other mainstream newspaper or magazine – although many of them have quoted me, cited my blog and referenced it.

3. The Tanya has been translated into English since about 1970. There's even a translation online at Chabad.org.

4. The Tanya is taught to newbies who just walked through the door of a Chabad House and to life-long Chabadniks who a scholars and to everyone in between.

5. Whether Adler learned to extremely right wing from Chabad, or whether he found support in Chabad and its teachings for his preexisting beliefs, doesn't really matter.

6. Your relative Rabbi Avraham Hecht rather infamously ruled that Yitzhak Rabin was a rodef. He was barred from entering Israel after Rabin was assassinated because of that. As I'm sure you know, Rabbi Avraham Hecht was very close to the Rebbe. He had access whenever he wanted it as did his brother JJ. Rabbi Avraham Hecht based his ruling on the teachings of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. So your extended family knows a bit about extremism, doesn't it?

This is a second story in recent weeks to have words "harmful" to CHABAD disappear out of a story. There was an article in Ha'aretz when the Haredi attack on the 8-year-old first broke, which contained a line about the reporter drinking beer with Chabad Rabbis which mysteriously vanished from the story. The journalist intended to how that Chabad was "normal" (as if) but someone in Chabad worried about how that would play in the Haredi world made those lines disappear.

Yitamu Hareidim min haaretz, hahasidim od enom. And Chabad too.

Checkmate, Mendy.

Lets get this straight, Shimon Peres attended the funeral of the Holztbergs in Kfar Chabad so he is Chabad affiliated. Yossi Sarid went to a Chabad Center in Venice so he too is Chabad. Jim Lew the new chief of staff of the White House lit the Chabad Menorah at near the White House he too is Chabad affiliated, and lets not forget Rahm Emanuel, he lit the Menorah year or two ago. And what about Newt he was one of the sponsors of the Congressional Gold Medal in honor of the Rebbe. Hollywood beware, Steven Spielberg dedicated a Chabad shul in LA and named it after his step father, Beis Bezalel on Pico, and his mother daavens there.

So this is it, using Shamaya measuring stick. The White House is now in Chabad control, the movie industry also, even the Israeli Left, a Chabadnik won the South Carolina primary, and lets not forget the President of Israel also Chabad affiliated. And Chicago, once with was Mayor Dayley now that too is Chabad controlled.

And all we have between this nefarious takeover of governments, Hollywood and Israel is our brave reporter hunkered down in the the cold winter of Minnesota. Wow its good to know someone is protecting us.

Reuvain,

Again, the facts here are clear and they don't jibe with your attempts at spin.

If you can't stop lying and if your can't stop misrepresenting, then you're approaching the point where you can no longer comment here.

The national press this story has received has been like manna from heaven for the anti-Jewish groups. Attacking Jews for multiple allegiances is a time-honored tradition and this story provides all the ammunition a neo-Nazi could desire.

Writing articles like this are a bad idea. Obama is the sitting president of the United States of America. As Americans we will always support our president evan if grudgingly, but would have no problem letting and watching with delight people who would harm him get slaughtered. Jews are in kind of a heyday right now in America, but with a bad economy and stupid articles like this and a US citizenry who love to scapegoat minorities. Everything could change quickly and probably not in the best interest of the Jewish people. My advice would be to have fools like Adler tone it down. I have yet to see any citizen or group who decided they were bigger than the United States fair very well after threats or incitements to assasinate the president.

The national press this story has received has been like manna from heaven for the anti-Jewish groups. Attacking Jews for multiple allegiances is a time-honored tradition and this story provides all the ammunition a neo-Nazi could desire.

Posted by: Neo-Naziguy | January 22, 2012 at 07:26 PM

you seem to be confused about who the Nazis are here.

btw, just how much association is there between Chabad and JDL/JTF?

This is why as some ex soldier of 21 years infantry in the U.S military i have never geven support for Israel this country give them way to much financial the people of Isreal must think the people of the U.S owes them something we owe the Jews and the people of Israel nothing and this prove you people think you are owed something the state of Isreal are racist any fact.

This is why as ex soldier of 21 years infantry in the U.S military i have never geven support for Israel this country give them way to much financial support the people of Isreal must think the people of the U.S owes them something we owe the Jews and the people of Israel nothing and this prove you people think you are owed something the state of Isreal and the peopel are racist,

I'm not fan of Obama or did i vote for Obama but if you come after try and harm him anyway as this article suggest the JEWS of this country will pay try and kill a American president the JEWS will pay for your stupidity.

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