One Car Accident Points To Lack Of Seat Belt Use And Car Seats

Police are investigating an early morning accident on I-87 between exits 22 and 23 that sent a woman and her 7-year-old son to the hospital. Officials say the SUV was carrying a family of six from Kiryas Joel when it rolled over several times.

 

Accident on I-87 prompts investigation
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SELKIRK, N.Y. -- Police are investigating an early morning accident on I-87 between exits 22 and 23 that sent a woman and her 7-year-old son to the hospital. Officials say the SUV was carrying a family of six from Kiryas Joel when it rolled over several times.

Officials say the 7-year-old was ejected and is now in stable condition. Police believe he was not wearing a seatbelt. They are also investigating whether the car was equipped with the state mandated booster seat.

An ambulance from Monroe arrived shortly after the accident happened.

Investigators say the accident may have happened after the driver, a 17-year-old, fell asleep at the wheel.

Comments

[Yochanan Lavie]

Car seats are for goyim. All Yidden need is toyrah. (/parody)

[Brian]

This is a national (and international) problem. Princess Diana?

[Not Simple]

Any way we can get the (hebrew) names of the victims so we can say tehilim for their refuah?

[ah-pee-chorus]

Any way we can get the (hebrew) names of the victims so we can say tehilim for their refuah?

Posted by: Not Simple

i wish them a complete recovery . that said, god must have wanted it to happen so he'll heal them or not as he sees fit. and if you ask god to give them a refuah without knowing their hebrew name does he just ignore the request? is he that petty? or does his filing system depend on locating them only by their hebrew names?
perhaps we can chip in and buy god a computer for chanuka where peoples names can be accessed no matter what language. poor god is still stuck in the dark ages.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Teenager driving a car full of little kids in the middle of the night (it was raining all last night here in the NY/NJ area) up a highway in a dark rural region, had probably been already driving over an hour or more.
It's a recipe for a disaster.

[ah-pee-chorus]

ny post reporting that the 7 year old only has cuts and bruises and none of injuries to anyone are life threatening.

[WoolSilkCotton]

God is very religious, and does not have a computer. God also respects HIPAA rules, and does not disclose the names of people without their permission.

VIN says it was raining heavily (which those of us here in NY/NJ knew) and they were driving from Queens, and the crash happened near Bethlehem, so you know they had been driving for at least a couple of hours.

[Not Simple]

ny post reporting that the 7 year old only has cuts and bruises and none of injuries to anyone are life threatening.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | December 23, 2011 at 10:21 AM

B"H, at least it was good enough for a FM post and an opportunity to poke fun at haredim, and by your post, at god himhelf!

[abcdef]

Because only Chareidim drive without seatbelts.

Idiot! Little man!

[Shmarya]

B"H, at least it was good enough for a FM post and an opportunity to poke fun at haredim, and by your post, at god himhelf!

Posted by: Not Simple | December 23, 2011 at 10:31 AM

Simpleton, do try to get that vapid space between your ears to process.

Not using seat belts and car seats ENDANGERS children.

So does allowing a 17-year-old to drive very late at night.

You may not be bright enough to understand this or honest enough to admit it, but it's true.

And the fact is that, on top of that, you don't seem at all concerned for the safety of those children.

And that speaks volumes about your particular moral and ethical defects.

[DM]

Shamarya I don't have a problem with this post, However some of your followers take every opportunity to trash and make fun of Haredim and yes now G-d. Yes, the evidence is there that they made a very bad decision on allowing a 17 yr old to drive at night and children not wearing seat belts, it happens everyday to all types of people and it is stupid. I believe some of your followers need to grow up a bit, don't you think so

[WoolSilkCotton]

Not Simple, why do you really want to know the names of the people involved?
Maybe it's because you're just another nosey little shit prying into other people's misfortune?
You could pray on their behalf just as well without 'knowing their names'.

And what's wrong with criticizing the lack of using seat belts and a child safety seat, or allowing a 17 year old to make a long drive late at night in the rain with a carload of kids? Oh yeah, any criticism of anything the frumma do is tantamount to antisemitism.

[WoolSilkCotton]

DM, your point is well taken.

Keep in mind, though, that whenever such accidents happen and are reported in other news sources, there are plenty of comments with the same criticisms, and when religious comments appear, there are additional comments to the effect of "where was God last night?"

[ah-pee-chorus]

and by your post, at god himhelf!

Posted by: Not Simple |

However some of your followers take every opportunity to trash and make fun of Haredim and yes now G-d.

Posted by: DM

you both miss the point. one cant make fun of something which doesnt exist. one can only poke fun at those who believe in it. and i was exposing the stupidity of the belief that there is a god who will cause this to happen, and yet respond to strangers asking him to heal those he just chose to harm, and that he will only do so if he hears the right hebrew name. if such a god did exist, YOU should make fun of him too. if instead you buy into it, then my sarcastic comments were aimed at YOU.
but i realize its hard to wake up from a delusional slumber so take your time.

[ah-pee-chorus]

also, there is a connection between fundamentalist beliefs and a disregard for personal safety concerns as well as concern for the earth and environment. if everything is decreed and controlled by god based on some all-inclusive calculation, then my wearing a seatbelt or having a car seat is somewhat less important. despite the requirement for hishtadlus, its all in gods hands.
its no coincidence that the people least concerned with issues of global warming , recycling, and pollution are those who are religious. since a large portion of american evangelicals believe the world will end in the next generation there is little need to worry about how todays decisions will affect the earths future habitability.

[DM]

ah-pee-chorus you believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, But snide childish remarks on every post on this site just shows what a little man you are.

[WoolSilkCotton]

DM, is the Jewish God that sensitive? He can't deal with any criticism?
Nobody is allowed to take Him to task for causing terrible accidents?

Is anyone allowed to ask "God, why did you cause this to happen to this seemingly innocent family"? If indeed no one was seriously hurt, why do we have to "thank God", when He himself was responsible for the accident?

Yeah, we have a wonderful God who caused our car to get totaled, and we all ended up in the hospital, but the injuries will heal in a few months. It seems like when we went God-shopping, we took the one on sale that wasn't quite right.

If you really are a believer, than you believe that the accident would have occurred even if there was a more experienced driver, and even if they had waited until daytime and better road conditions and they had used seat belts and child safety seats.

Just once, can a religious Jew ask God some of these tough questions? Is He really that unapproachable?

[ah-pee-chorus]

ah-pee-chorus you believe what you want, and I'll believe what I want, But snide childish remarks on every post on this site just shows what a little man you are.

Posted by: DM |

i have no problem with people believing whatever floats their boat. the reality though is that people like you, or who you defend and support desire to control what i do and limit my freedoms . that is what religion always leads to. charedim and their counterparts from other religions will eventually lead to an end to life on earth. the only solution is to expose their thinking as delusional nonsense unable to withstand the scrutiny of reason and logic. so i do my part towards that end in pointing out the inanity of so much of what you cling to out of fear and ignorance.
if you want to counter anything i say with a logical argument be my guest. but resorting to an ad hominem attack isnt going to help your cause.
maybe the one who should 'grow up' here is you. try thinking like an adult as opposed to a brainwashed child who fears his imaginary friend in the sky.

[seymour]

Is anyone allowed to ask "God, why did you cause this to happen to this seemingly innocent family"? If indeed no one was seriously hurt, why do we have to "thank God", when He himself was responsible for the accident?

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | December 23, 2011 at 11:35 AM

Thaty was always a question i had

just imagine someone shoots you in the leg would you say thank you for not killing me and really mean it. and many years later say how great that person is for sparring you, and how benevolent he is?

[jancsipista]

DM- about snide remarks i hope you have this much seihel. listen carefully if you can take the heat get out of the kitchen which means dont come to this site and if you do then you must accept that this is a democratic country and we everyone has the right to comment in any manner he wishes too fershteist di goilem.

[jancsipista]

i mean to write if you cant take the heat get out of the kitchen

[WoolSilkCotton]

Jancsi, good point. The frumma cannot accept democracy and free speech.
Freedom to think and challenge previous thoughts is also not allowed.

[ah-pee-chorus]

jancsipista and WSC-

well said. nobody is forced to come to this site and all are free to not read the comments.

DM -

i hereby give you permission to ignore my comments if you cant handle them. if you persist in reading them as part of a masochistic tendency i will have to forbid you from reading them. lets not let it come to that.

[ah-pee-chorus]

DM-

would my previous post fall into the "snide" category?

[DM]

i have no problem with people believing whatever floats their boat. the reality though is that people like you, or who you defend and support desire to control what i do and limit my freedoms . that is what religion always leads to. charedim and their counterparts from other religions will eventually lead to an end to life on earth. the only solution is to expose their thinking as delusional nonsense unable to withstand the scrutiny of reason and logic. so i do my part towards that end in pointing out the inanity of so much of what you cling to out of fear and ignorance.
if you want to counter anything i say with a logical argument be my guest. but resorting to an ad hominem attack isnt going to help your cause.
maybe the one who should 'grow up' here is you. try thinking like an adult as opposed to a brainwashed child who fears his imaginary friend in the sky.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | December 23, 2011 at 11:42 AM

Do what ever the hell you want, eat what ever the hell you want, I don't give a crap about you and your personal life, marry a man for all I care. We are not Muslims who behead people for not agreeing with their laws. If you are talking about the very few crazy zealots in Israel I agree they are nuts. You sit and bash everything haredi or religious or Jewish for that matter and I'm sorry but if you have your issues with a supreme being then that's something you have to deal with and stop knocking those who don't have those issues

[ah-pee-chorus]

if you have your issues with a supreme being then that's something you have to deal with and stop knocking those who don't have those issues

Posted by: DM

i support the invisible black unicorn, the only REAL supreme being. if you have issues with him you'll have to deal with them. he's quite unforgiving. but dont EVER knock those of us who bow to his greatness.

and BTW, "We are not Muslims who behead people for not agreeing with their laws"
....dont flatter yourself by trying to distinguish your beliefs from theirs. the torah calls for death to gays, sabbath defilers, non-virgin brides, and those who dont believe. the fact that jews are too weak and dispersed, with no active sanhedrin to carry these out now doesnt change the fact of what any orthodox jew prays for every day.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Would it really be that difficult to convince a group of frumma fanatics to hijack an airplane or load up a truck, and crash it into a building?

I don't even want to give the example with potential targets, even in jest. It's just too much within the realm of frumma possibility. The fact that they haven't resorted to large scale violence like that doesn't comfort me.

[jancsipista]

DM- yes we are bashing the hareidim because those few are getting the go ahead from those on top, those on top say nothing to stop this insanity by the few as the saying goes for evil to triumpgh good people have to say nothing and this is whats happening you are all equally guilty of this insanity.

[DM]

dont flatter yourself by trying to distinguish your beliefs from theirs. the torah calls for death to gays, sabbath defilers, non-virgin brides, and those who dont believe. the fact that jews are too weak and dispersed, with no active sanhedrin to carry these out now doesnt change the fact of what any orthodox jew prays for every day.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | December 23, 2011 at 12:28 PM

time to up your meds buddy, you maybe a danger to those around you

[jancsipista]

lets just look at north korea this is exactly how the hareidim would like life to be they would be the masters and everyone else the slaves to their whims

[WoolSilkCotton]

When you look at the hysterical reactions to the death of their dictator, it looks a lot like the frumma reactions when the rebbe passed away. Same mindset leads to the same behavior.

DM, that is always the frum response here when you run out of anything useful to say. Just make an insult at the person who outsmarted you.

[barry]

A 54 year old woman had a heart attack and was taken to the hospital.

While on the operating table she had a near death experience. Seeing God she asked "Is my time up?"

God said, "No, you have another 43 years, 2 months and 8 days to live."

Upon recovery, the woman decided to stay in the hospital and have a face-lift, liposuction, breast implants and a tummy tuck. She even had someone come in and change her hair colour and brighten her teeth!

Since she had so much more time to live, she figured she might as well make the most of it.

After her last operation, she was released from the hospital. While crossing the street on her way home, she was killed by an ambulance.

Arriving in front of God, she demanded, "I I thought you said I had another 43 years?

Why didn't you pull me from out of the path of the
ambulance?"

God replied: "I didn't recognize you."

[Not Simple]

It is so weird, here are a pathetic collection of, clearly non-orthodox people, who are so preoccupied with the goings on of the orthodox. I just don't get it!

[WoolSilkCotton]

Barry, LOL!

[jancsipista]

Not Simple- what dont you get di shoite maybee you are preoccupied with those who contradict youre way of life nu vus zugsti .

[No Light]

DM - you're the one with a sickness. You have a bizarre delusion that rules every aspect of your life, a belief that putting shoes and clothes on in a particular order is necessary, that little children must be covered from head to toe lest they corrupt men with their impurities, that certain foods are not allowed on certain days. You believe that straying from these rituals will cause some invisible being to throw a huge tantrum and cause destruction.

In all honesty? I've had people put on psychiatric holds for magical thinking, obsessive compulsion, and delusions like that. Out here in the real world it's recognised as the severe derangement it is, but to the idiot black-hatted, shuckling masses- praying over inanimate objects and being scared of their own bodies and emissions? It's a sign of being elevated and holy. Fucking crazy. But nothing a dose of reality and some haloperiodol can't fix!

[maven]

No Light- I thought everyone who worked psych ER would know that delusions accepted by society are not grounds for admission. You can't admit Haitians for seeing ghosts or believing they've been hexed.
On the other hand, getting worked up as a result of idiot trolls, that may be an issue...

[ah-pee-chorus]

time to up your meds buddy, you maybe a danger to those around you

Posted by: DM

i recognize the waving of the white flag when i see it. i accept your surrender and assure you of fair treatment. thats far more than the religious provide others when in a position of control.

[David]

Whilst it is true that an incident such as this could happen to any irresponsible person, there is no question that the frumma are far less concerned with safety issues than regular people. Issues of concern here are:

- failure to wear seat belts.
- failure to have child seat installed.
- a 17 yr old child looking after the other children.
- an inexperienced 17 yr old driver driving in adverse conditions late at night.

[PishPosh]

Israelis are know to be one of the worst drivers secular, charedi, or gerim. In a certain year I read that more Israelis get killed in auto accidents then all the wars combined.

In Israel there is a conspiracy to avoid tickes at traps. If a car passes by a hidden motorcycle cop he will flash his lights at any oncoming car to warn him to watch his speed.

My father was the typical Israeli driver when he was younger. Somebody did something stupid he would move over to pass the driver even on a narrow street and turn and swear at him eyes off the road. My mother god rest her soul was like pale cause she was a defensive driver.

I was driving behind a gasoline truck in this little Corrola taking some friends to Ben Gurion and he was too slow for me. So I tried to pass him up and get in front and their were care about 2000 feet ahead and I couldnt get no speed out of that clunker and my friends laughing said "You know the truck driver is cussing you out from behind his window." He finally slowed enough to let me get ahead.

Yea Israelis are the rudest of the rude in driving. Guilty as charged.

[Brian]

These drivers weren't Israeli... They're in upstate New York. And Haredi drivers are more dangerous than the average.

[ruthie]

i'm very sorry this family had an accident.
letting a 17 year old without experience drive in an area he is not familiar with is crazy.
not strapping a child in with seat belts on a highway is crazy.
they were driving a mercedes benz SUV....do they get social services too...
crazy

[Chuckles]

Ruthie, what's ur email?

[flat earth]

So were any summons' written for improper seatbelts / child seats?

[DM]

No light go fuck yourself and ah-pee-fuckface you too. I'm not the religious person you think I am but i know people who hate and that's all you are haters

[jancsipista]

DM- it looks like it takes one hater to know another and you are the pits dont complain here if youre no better you idiot.

[Gefilte Fish]

Anybody else notice that the ambulance from Monroe (i.e., Hatzoloh) arrived on the scene? Monroe is at least 90 minutes away.

Did the family call Hatzoloh and wait for them? Did they finally call 911, or did some passer-by do that for them?

This accident happened a short distance from 3 major hospitals. While I can understand calling Hatzoloh if you live in NYC and can get them to help you sooner than 911, it's foolishness to call them and wait 90 minutes or more for the heimish guys to show up.

[WoolSilkCotton]

DM, I see you made the progression from trying to dispute the facts, then making excuses, then a personal attack on APC, and now cursing at your opponents. This confirms that you are a frummer.

[WoolSilkCotton]

If you google this story, it is reported a lot differently on all other major news sites.

The family has nothing to do with KJ. They were from Queens, and driving from Queens to somewhere in the Albany area or beyond. Nowhere near KJ.

They were driving a Mercedes SUV. The hasidic KJ crowd almost all drive minivans that can fit a lot more kids than a MB SUV can.

And the ambulance, as pointed out by Gefilte Fish, from 90 minutes away? Ridiculous. Maybe Hatzoloh showed up eventually, but the first responders had to have been local Squads. Hard to believe they would allow a child who had been ejected from the vehicle- even if he didn't appear externally seriously hurt- to remain at the scene for 90 minutes awaited a private ambulance.

If any of our readers here are familiar with the KJ Hatzoloh ambulance trucks, can you take a close look at that photo to see if it's really a Hatzoloh truck?

The facts of this case don't seem to be what is reported in the link at the top of this thread.

[Max]

I usually don't comment here. I just felt the need to clarify some things.
The family name is Rowe, they are from Kew Garden Hills. They were on the way to Lake George for the Weekend. They are not chassidim, and do not live in KJ. The reason why a KJ Hatzolah ambulance might have come is because Eli Rowe (the father) is a long time Paramedic with Queens Hatzolah and a very well known "good do-er". He is a very wealthy person and does a tremendous amount of chesed with his money. He flew down to Haiti when the earthquake struck to assist in setting up a hospital. He does tremendous good with his plane, flying all across the US to help people in need. He flies many ill patients to hospitals. He does a tremendous amount for organizations that cater to sick children. He is a true good hearted person. He is the That's a small glimpse of this individual, and that might just be the reason why the chassidim from KJ felt it was right to go down to offer assistance. He would have done the same for them. Google his name. He's a good man.

[Gefilte Fish]

Thank you for the information, Max. I just hope that the injured people did not call the far-away Hatzoloh people instead of the local 911. I know the area very well---there is NO local Hatzoloh, but there are at least 3 major hospitals within a few minutes of the crash site.

[Max]

They were brought by local EMS to Albany Medical Center. Everyone was released, except the 7 Year old (who ruptured his spleen) who will be released from the PICU tomorrow. He was actually treating his son before local EMS arrived.

[different dave]

looks like Shamarya screwed this one up

[ultra haredi lite]

K now let's all apologize for the attacks on the frumma on this thread..fat chance.

[Shmarya]

looks like Shamarya screwed this one up

Posted by: different dave | December 25, 2011 at 01:16 AM

1. We've already clearly established many times over that you're dishonest, and that you're not bright.

2. As anyone can see, I posted a news article written by a news organization, and my only comment was that it highlights the need to use car seats and seat belts.

3. The family is haredi no matter whose report is correct.

4. My point about car seats and seat belts is no less valid.

5. The fact that the father is a Hatzolah macher and he allowed his kid to ride without a seat belt and allowed another kid to drive the car late at night makes the story WORSE for haredim, not better.

6. Too bad these very obvious truths were too difficult for some haredim here to grasp on their own. Perhaps you need to work on your educations a bit.

[different dave]

Oh I agree with the article as it was originally, I'm sure the original source did not use a striemel to show that this story was about Jews, because that would be stereotypical of them. They were obviously not Chassidim so why the use of the streimel on your part? That's the screw up I'm referring to.

[Shmarya]

Dave –

You're simply dishonest and you're quite dull.

The article says:Officials say the SUV was carrying a family of six from Kiryas Joel when it rolled over several times.

Really, now. You should be spending your time learning how to read properly and trying to better yourself rather than attacking people who know more than you.

[Anon]

Shmarya,

You did screw up on it. You didn't catch it or fix it. Why cant you just admit it instead of insulting Dave. Everyone makes mistakes, its ok. It was an error. You don't need to take it so personally and insult someone else.

[different dave]

yes, but a good journalist does everything to find out the facts of the story before posting which you obviously did not do,they are at best a modern orthodox family from queens so suck it up you big baby, these people are not haredim and their story does not belong on your blog or at least take off the stupid streimel and put up a kippah sirugah

[ruthie]

let's not forget that several articles on this car accident came out at the same time. or several hours apart.
i'm an avid reader of several newspapers (domestic and international)
and this is seriously the first time one story sounded like two completely different ones to me. it happens.

[Shmarya]

yes, but a good journalist does everything to find out the facts of the story before posting which you obviously did not do,they are at best a modern orthodox family from queens so suck it up you big baby, these people are not haredim and their story does not belong on your blog or at least take off the stupid streimel and put up a kippah sirugah

Posted by: different dave | December 25, 2011 at 08:51 AM

Dave –

Yes, that's what the reporter and the editors who published the story should have done.

People who report their work are depending on them to have done it.

The responsibility lies with the original reporter and editors.

But, again, you're dumb as a tree stump and intellectually dishonest (not that the word "intellectual" in any way applies to you).

Perhaps one day, if you work very, very, hard, you'll get to the point where you aren't a complete embarrassment to your teachers.

Then again, perhaps not.

[Tziporah]

Shmarya- grow up with your Dave-bashing! There is no such thing as charedi in America. They are a regular orthodox family who evidently made some mistakes in judgement. They are not from Kiryat Joel, they are not Chassidish, Eli does not wear a kipah serugah, and the mature thing to do would be to update your post to reflect the truth instead of continuing to defend your mistaken reporting.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya- grow up with your Dave-bashing! There is no such thing as charedi in America. They are a regular orthodox family who evidently made some mistakes in judgement. They are not from Kiryat Joel, they are not Chassidish, Eli does not wear a kipah serugah, and the mature thing to do would be to update your post to reflect the truth instead of continuing to defend your mistaken reporting.

Posted by: Tziporah | December 26, 2011 at 03:07 AM

Please.

Again, I posted what Time Warner reported, so to write as you did that I am defending my "mistaken reporting" is simply foolish.

Past that, the points I did make you agree with.

You wrote, the family "made some mistakes in judgement," which would refer to not using seat belts and car seat and allowing a 17 year old to drive at 2 or 3 in the morning.

As I pointted out above, the fact that the head of the family mad those choices and is also a big Hatzolah macher makes this story WORSE for Orthodoxy, not better.

And he is haredi, despite your rather amusing claim that there is "no such thing as charedi in America."

As for Dave, he's truly an idiot. And on top of that he's dishonest.

As for you, you want something to be true very badly so you simply decide to believe it is.

But it isn't.

[Liesel Basil]

It is not clear as to whether or not belief systems have a direct connection to road incidents such as these. But clearly, incidents like these are affected by human error and miscalculation. What the incident does point out is that people have to be more careful with what they do when they drive, especially if you have passengers on board... after all, your life won't be the only thing on the line.

[Robert Costa]

One should follow a regular strict rule while driving the car. It was not a fair decision for the family to give a charge to a 17 year old guy. The person should have been changed at instances during travel. The families or other people should be aware of the dangerous consequences which may occur so to take necessary actions beforehand.