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December 12, 2011

Haredim Allegedly Attack Modern Orthodox Man In Beit Shemesh

Haredim and MO Scuffle in Beit Shemesh 9-2011A group of 15 haredi extremists, most likely linked to the Mea Shearim-based Sicarii gang, massed outside a Modern Orthodox girls school in Beit Shemesh and chanted slogans against the girls. A Modern Orthodox resident took pictures of the haredim but was attacked by two of them who allegedly threw him to the ground when they saw his camera.

Haredim and MO Scuffle in Beit Shemesh 9-2011
Sicarii members being shoved away from a Modern Orthodox girls school in Beit Shemesh earlier this year after the haredim attacked students' parents

Haredim Resume Protests At Modern Orthodox School, Allegedly Attack Local Activist
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

A group of 15 haredi extremists, most likely linked to the Mea Shearim-based Sicarii gang, massed outside a Modern Orthodox girls school in Beit Shemesh today and chanted slogans against the girls and their parents, including “Zionists are defiling our neighborhood,” “get out of our neighborhood,” and “woe to immorality,” the Jerusalem Post reported.

A Modern Orthodox activist took pictures of the haredim but was attacked by two of them who allegedly threw him to the ground when they saw his camera. A third haredi man jumped in and stopped the first two from doing further harm, and then the three haredim fled to the haredi neighborhood that abuts the school.

Police arrived seconds after the haredim fled, but no arrests have yet been made.

The haredim have been trying for months to force the Modern Orthodox girls grammar school to vacate the school building, which abuts a haredi neighborhood.

Even though the girls dress modestly, they do not dress in the extreme haredi fashion. Haredim claim the girls are therefore immodestly dressed, and demand that the students vacate the school building and move away from where haredim can see them.

These haredi extremists have previously assaulted students, hurled rocks at the building and at Modern Orthodox children, and called the girls whores. They also stormed the school building, took over some of the classrooms, and tried to vandalize them, but Modern Orthodox parents fought back and drove the haredim out of the building.

For a time, police were stationed at the school to safely escort students out of the building and through the screaming mob of haredi men who called the girls whores. Before police were stationed at the school, the haredim chased as they fled, screaming and cursing as the girls cried and shrieked in fright.

The 15 haredim at today's protest did not appear to be the same haredim who had previously attacked the school and its students, which may mean that more haredi extremists have been brought in from Mea Shearim.

Rabbi Dov Lippman, a leader of the Anglo Modern Orthodox community in Beit Shemesh who has been active in fighting the haredi attacks on the school, said that Beit Shemesh Mayor Moshe Abutbul’s continued appeasement of the extremists was not working:

“His ‘darkei shalom’ [ways of peace] have merely brought more violence. There is one clear conclusion here: If the mayor will continue to bring more and more extremist haredim to the town, we will see more violence from these thugs and law breakers in the name of religion, and we will also see more religious coercion against the peaceable population – the moderate haredi, religious-Zionist and secular communities.”

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Normal people who live near these hasids will have to be armed to the teeth and shoot to kill in self defense, or a can of mace or Stun guns.

It would not surprise me if you will start to see vigilante justice and burning and firebombings of the hassids shteiblach and homes.

Although I don't wish it on anyone, it will be interesting if (and when?) someone loses their life in one of these hasid battles whether it causes a further escalation or shocks all (or some) parties to rethink all these nonsense issues.

I say, live and let live or we will take you down!

KJ, I've said it multiple times here--I really think that blood will have to be shed before the rest of the secular public rises up against the Jewish Taliban or before the government and the police actually do something.

I hate to be so blasé about it, but I don't see this ending any other way.

ahavas yisroel....

when a person is truly religious...
jewish or otherwise...
they LIVE ahavas yisroel
these people are not truly religious...
they're a bunch of unhappy people

The video in this article shows the sicarii "in action." The article is from yesterday, but I'm not sure if the video is from yesterday. http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-4160741,00.html

His ‘darkei shalom’ [ways of peace] have merely brought more violence.

These people should be in a psychiatric facility. Reagan cut most of the funding for them here thirty years ago; I don't know what the situation in Israel is these days.

Barring that, the police should be there on a daily basis with guns armed with rubber bullets (not that I'd mind seeing real bullets used). It goes against all of my principles and 55 years of being a "Libtard" to say this, but violence is the only language these mental defectives understand.

Oh, I almost forgot:

Yidden! If these kleine maidelach were home in the kitchen where they belong, learning from their mothers how to cook and clean, and if they were getting married at twelve like they should, none of this would happen. Why do they need to learn to read and write? Why should yungermen be tempted with evil thoughts? I know many women on the Upper West Side who went to school, and now they're forty and not married and sleep with their dogs at night! Oy, nebech! Pray for Moshiach to come already, so women will know their place!

I thought that schools have security guards
Where were they? If not security guards there
must be security cameras for the children's
protection.

Why don't they follow these idiots home and then stand outside their homes screaming "whore" at their wives and daughters? Fight fire with fire.

They should put a wall around their areas and make them drive a car with special license plates.

Jeff, they could be institutionalized, but they would self-organize and self-educate inside the facility, I am afraid, what with the minyans and Tanya.

Unless one were to strike at the root of the psychosis and ban the books and teachings that support this behavior (God picked them out special to tell the world how to behave) there would be little use in merely locking them up.

The anthropods are at it again, theese bozos just cant behave like civilized people they are tottaly detached from the real world they actually think they are it unbeleivable how mindless they can be

Unless one were to strike at the root of the psychosis and ban the books and teachings that support this behavior (God picked them out special to tell the world how to behave) there would be little use in merely locking them up.

Posted by: Steve | December 13, 2011 at 07:49 AM

Well, there's always lobotomy.

Why don't they follow these idiots home and then stand outside their homes screaming "whore" at their wives and daughters? Fight fire with fire.

Posted by: Dovit | December 13, 2011 at 06:56 AM

Excellent idea - but they'd probably get killed. These people are operating at the cognitive and developmental level of toddlers - and not particularly mentally healthy toddlers at that - and have little to no concept of self-restraint.

There is something really vague about this whole story.

Are the girls following the Halachic definition of modest dress? If they are, let their Rabbis make a statement as such & then the shoe would be on the other foot! Furthermore, at that point they could take the protestors to task in front of Beis Din for multiple reasons.

But if they aren't, then why are they trying to lower the standards of modesty in an area whose inhabitants follow a more stringent view?

Well, there's always lobotomy.

Posted by: Jeff | December 13, 2011 at 09:33 AM

I'd rather have a bottle in front of me, than a frontal lobotomy.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | December 13, 2011 at 09:57 AM

;-D

Conservative talk show host Bob Grant, one of the few whose opinions are worth thinking about (he's been around a long time, and still from the days when they weren't so vituperative) said that extremists and totalitarian regimes cannot be reasoned with, and the only thing they understand is cataclysm.

Would Japan have surrendered without Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Would Germany have surrendered without Dresden, or the Soviet Army's decimation of Berlin?

"Winning their hearts and minds" was a nice idea, very liberal of President Bush, but it didn't get the job done.

Look what it takes to remove today's dictators throughout the world. Angry armies of determined people with machine guns and shoulder-launched missiles, and the internet and wireless communication to spread the word.

And so it will be with putting a stop to the frumma dictators and terrorists.

There is something really vague about this whole story.

Posted by: Leibel Schenkel | December 13, 2011 at 09:47 AM

It isn't vague; it's reporting events that have been going on and have been reported on for some time. Google will help you out.

There's nothing wrong with the manner in which the girls are dressed; they were there before these lunatics showed up (although the site for the school, across the street from their neighborhood, is new); and, in any case, grown men are chasing five-to-twelve year-old girls down the street shouting, "Slut! Whore!"

I trust I don't have to explain what's wrong with that.

There is all kinds of grainy footage of lobotomies on Youtube. It was a really horrifying practice, and to see the clinical nature of it's use is especially chilling.

Look up one of the documentaries on Dr. Walter Freeman, the pioneer of this procedure. He used to travel around the country in his van (carrying his tools) and visit hospitals and sanitariums everywhere.

@Leibel Schenkel

They are modern Orthodox young girls, who dress in the manner of their community.

But their level of Tsnius makes no difference. If these were secular kids wearing shorts and tank tops, it still gives no right for Sicarii to harass children.

Pretty soon, all clothing will be forbidden. Instead, Jews will have to go about their business from behind huge iron boxes, with little slats for the eyes, nose and mouth. The more expensive boxes will have wheels on the bottom. The heimishe boxes will have two openings underneath for the feet. On the front of the boxes you will be able to see the adhesive label containing the name of the Ga'on HaRav HaMachshir, with his logo and other such pertinent information. But remember, there will be no opening for the rear or the front private parts, because by the time the iron boxes are proclaimed as Halacha LeMoshe MiSinai, the Gerrer Rebbe will have already pronounced relieving oneself as Maiseh Mishgal, and LeShem Tznius, you'll just have to hold it in...

I'm guessing that I could kick the ass of your typical charedi in a fight. I can't imagine their combat skills to be particularly advanced. Am I mistaken?

nothing that a good old fashioned shotgun can't fix

WSC writes:
Would Japan have surrendered without Hiroshima and Nagasaki?

Yes, actually. They were already making overtures in that direction through third parties. One of the first things you have to do if you want some good old-fashioned hatred is to convince people The Enemy is insane, irrational and barely human. Nothing but total war and their utter destruction will work.

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