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November 02, 2011

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James

@Adam Neira
Have you read about the hypothesis for the higher Ashkenazi IQ by Cochran, Hardy and Harpending? They say that the unique conditions Jews were under in Central and Eastern Europe, i.e. forced into certain intellectually demanding professions like money lending, selected for higher intelligence. They show the evidence for the higher recorded Ashkenazi IQ average, and implicate genes that Ashkenazim carry at a high rate that cause higher intelligence in heterozygotes but diseases in homozygotes.

They wrote about it in a 2005 paper - linked here if you want to read it:
http://youngmanhattanite.com/AshkenaziIQ.jbiosocsci.pdf

They also wrote about it in their book The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution
Link: http://www.amazon.com/000-Year-Explosion-Civilization-Accelerated/dp/0465002218

Here's another good link looking at the issue.
(Google cached because the site's down at the moment.)
"Why is the IQ of Ashkenazi Jews so high?":
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:JV9O459CDxYJ:ieet.org/index.php/IEET/more/4828

Steven Pinker said that the hypothesis is plausible and it would be easy to carry out a study to prove it.

Adam Neira

The questions raised by this report are fascinating.

(a) Is the Ethiopian high school dropout rate merely a result of a lack of ambition in the community, as being poor in Israel is far different to being poor in Ethiopia. (So the dropout rate may not be about intellectual potential but cultural factors. i.e. Some people could push their intellectual realm but can't be bothered.)

(b) Does this suggest the idea that perhaps there really is a hierarchy of awareness and wisdom on the Planet and amongst the Jews themselves and that some people are suited by certain work roles more than others ? (Was the idea about the Kohen Gadol, Levites, and Priestly Caste etc. more about creating a structure of wisdom and righteousness than being about pure whim, nepotism and simple tribal loyalties ? Why do some people prefer engineering than sales ?)

(c) Is Ashkenazic brain power based on a genetics whereby the traits of learning, analysis and study get passed on from generation to generation and get reinforced ? (Was Begin’s early 1977 Jerusalem call to the Sephardi purely a case of political opportunism ? What is the percentage of Ashkenazi Nobel Prize Winners to Sephardi ?)

This would be a very interesting discussion offline with the right people and references present. I'm pretty sure I know what the answers are. This article like many that appear on FM has helped me work out something on my mind at the moment.


Jeff

HadEnuff and Jeff,
It was a serious question meant to spur conversation.

Posted by: ultra haredi lite | November 02, 2011 at 01:35 PM

I think HadEnuff put it to bed nicely.

Waiting4Moshiach appears to be the same person (or a facsimile)of "Chaim" who lurked around this blog last year spouting the same inane and insane crap.

I don't think so. I don't recall Chaim talking much about Moshiach. His obsession was the inevitable Haredi takeover, first of Israel, then the world. His tag line was "Charedi power!"

ultra haredi lite

HadEnuff and Jeff,
It was a serious question meant to spur conversation.

mau

This issue about Ethiopians is very simple. Education and culture of parents is a key for children's destiny. External flow of resources may change children slightly, but they easily revert as the article shows.

After couple of generations (of course if they won't fall prey for religious school systems) Ethiopians will be no less successful than Ashkenazim today.

Alter Kocker

Waiting4Moshiach appears to be the same person (or a facsimile)of "Chaim" who lurked around this blog last year spouting the same inane and insane crap.

Waiting4Moshiach: just stop it. If you really are Haredi, your childishness, racism and ignorance is an insult to the intelligence of the posters and the master of this website. Try writing something meaningful instead of a disgusting heap of nonsense.

Korbendallas72

Stop responding to Waiting4Moshiach, I doubt he's even Jewish. It's very likely that he posts your responses to stormfront. He argues like Amalek and any bochur that believes what he claims to believe wouldn't own a computer. At the very least, he's a sockpuppet for someone else on this board. Don't respond.

Jeff

Meanwhile, take a look at the comments beneath the Haaretz article. Israelis seem never to pass up an opportunity to knock the Ethiopians.

Jeff

Agreed. Time to stop investing time,energy, resources etc. to the charedi communities world-wide and force them to get up on their own two feet.

Posted by: HadEnuff | November 02, 2011 at 06:20 AM

Ha! Very good!

HadEnuff

Waiting4Moshiach,

I know you don't really belive the crap you spew.

You're just trying to bait us into an argument.

Guess that means you're not part of the Master Race...

Just another master-baiter!

Waiting4Moshiach

Sorry, but there is a master race and it is us yidden. We were chosen by HaShem to teach the world through our example so he had to make us smart enuf so every bachur could understand his talmud. You cant expect some hillbilly shaegetz or one of the darker people to be as smart as us because they were not given the Torah on Har Seenai so they don't need to be.
If you are not able to understand a blat of Gemorah (and have you ever met a colored person or a shikserella who culd?) than probably you are not Jewish.

When Moshiach finally comes we will all find out who is really Jewish, so send us Moshiach already so we can know who is who!

HadEnuff

James.

Lynn has already been dismissed in the scientific community as a racist who manipulated data and repeatedly lied about his results.

The world saw the same thing in the mid 20th century. Think "White Aryan Master Race" if you can wrap your racist mind around that.

HadEnuff

What is a reasonable amount of time, energy, resources etc to invest in a community before it is able to get up on its' own two feet?

Posted by: ultra haredi lite | November 02, 2011 at 06:17 AM

Agreed. Time to stop investing time,energy, resources etc. to the charedi communities world-wide and force them to get up on their own two feet.

ultra haredi lite

What is a reasonable amount of time, energy, resources etc to invest in a community before it is able to get up on its' own two feet?

SkepticalYid

Ashkenazi Jews are also susceptible to some nasty genetic diseases. Still want to continue the eugenics thread? ;-)

James

Higher average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews:
http://www.vdare.com/articles/lynn-on-the-jews-yes-it-s-intelligence-but-there-s-something-else-too
http://www.cogn-iq.org/archives/620

James

Some very relevant links

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