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November 27, 2011

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adams

It's enough with this 'Raglayim LeDevar'.

Nothing new or unexpected here. Agudah is a money driven job house for their own hand picked functionariews.

Aguda is a disaster. Always has been a disgrace, now only more so.

adams

I don't like the imagery of that 'Raglayim Ledevar', it's an insult to victim to relate as a body part when they likely who knows what sickness is metted out to them.

It's a kind of sick joke, i mean keep using it if you think it's not so creepy, I am done with it.

chussid

I think if the DA wishes to allow other jurisdictions based on religious law and unilaterally abrogates his own authority, this could trigger some kind of constitutional crisis. It would be better if he dispensed with the workaround and just says that he doesn't enforce the laws on these things in between 12th and 18th avenues because of lack of manpower or something.

p

and, perhaps as importantly if not more so, the media, out of the loop.

The media should be out of the loop until the experts determine that an abuse actually took place. Premature involvement of the media, an unprofessional brood of thrill seekers, could damage the reputation of the victim and/or the person being accused even if it turns out that the charges were unfounded.

The system must tighten up as to the precise flow of events leading from the accusation to the trial to prevent collateral damage that can't be undone.

A good many years ago there was a case involving a mother who falsely charged her husband with sexually abusing their daughter. She disregarded the courts and child welfare agencies request to keep the media out of the picture while the matter was being decided on. The media ate up her story hook-line-and-sinker. Fortunately the system prevailed the onslaught of the media and ruled for the father and stripped the mother of custody. However the scars remain on all parties to this very day.

rebitzman

@p

So, if I may paraphrase........

In addition to abrogation of the responsibility to determine who should or who should not be prosecuted by the DA's office in favor of religious authorities...........you also are in favor of repealing the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution.

Common Sense

Why the extreme of an all or nothing? This has been baffling me for a long time. If you are very concerned or suspect something, why not make a report to ACS (not the DA or police), and let them do an investigation. If its found to be true, good and if not move on.

seymour

next work out deals with Muslims so they can enacted sharia law

maybe we should write a petition to the white house?

jewishwhistleblower

>Most likely, nothing will change in
>Brooklyn until the day US Department
>of Justice investigates and prosecutes
>the violations of haredi child sex
>abuse victims' civil rights caused by
>Charles Hynes, Henna White and the
>haredi rabbis (and haredi bloc voters)
>Hynes is trying to please.

Start with the cases of Rabbis Mondrowitz, Brenner and Kolko.

The fixers and the DA have been doing all they can to keep the pedophiles in our community out of jail and off the public sex offender registry for decades.

It is obscene.

jancsipista.

we live in a very very sick society and the rabbis are the most sick who would think that our rabbis are so calosly indifferent to a childs well being this is the closest to absolute evil as one can get and all fromm the people who should be most on our side unbeleivable.

chussid

The real question is, what would've happened if Levi Aron had become a Rosh Yeshiva instead of a hardware store errand boy? Would Hynes lock him up to placate public opinion? Or would he fumble the case to please the Rabbonim until there were Raglayim Ledavar?

ultra haredi lite

Exactly what I thought would happen. They neutered the rabbis. There WILL be a revolt against the evil aguda cabal.

steve

They still think they could continue handling these matters internally. Truly pathetic. A full fledged federal investigation is in order and all the past comments from Zwiebel and other Agudah officials will prove that they are guilty of obstruction of justice.

danny

Excellent original reporting by Shmarya.

Jack Ass

The founders of Agudah are crying in the grave over what these egoistic sadists have turned it into. With such rabbis who needs goyim!

Nigritude Ultramarine

Inasmuch as this obviously runs counter to the Equal Protection Clause of the XIV Ammendment and Charles Hynes is not that daft, I can only conclude that someone is in possession of some interesting photographs of Mr. Hynes.

Mee LaHashem Aylai!

Shmarya and everyone,

What will it take in order to get a federal investigation of the Brooklyn frum community, sexual abuse of children, intimidation of witnesses, and corruption in law enforcement?

Does anyone know how these things work? What does it take to get them interested in pursuing an investigation?

What about a protest and press conference in front of the District Attorney's office? To grab some media attention. Hynes is so arrogant and powerful that he feels he can do what he pleases.

How do we stop him?

Nachum

Was wondering what happened with this story. Thanks, Shmarya!

I do wonder this: Is every one of these rabbis in Brooklyn? What does the poor rabbi in, nebach, Queens or (double nebach) Kansas do if he's got an abuser?

Hal

I am puzzled by the people who talk as if the police are the answer. The American police are animals. They are not your saviors and not your heroes. We really have nobody to turn to anymore. In the US anyone with power is a bastard. My advice, lock yourself in your house and don't come out.

Office of the Chief Rabbi

Shmarya,
You reference a NYS Mandatory Reporting Law. Right now, as you know and have made clear on several occasions, clergy are NOT mandated reporters. While legislation has been introduced numerous times in recent years to change that, the RC Church and the Hareidim have worked to prevent such a change from being enacted.

So what's the law? Who is a mandated reporter here?

BTW, please change the possessive to plural here: "White makes deals that allegedly have abusive husband's

Jeff

Yeah, that sounds about right. Career bureaucrats - worse than useless.

Where was Shafran in all of this? Isn't he still their spin doctor?

jancsipista.

Hal- you better go for mental help before its too late you shoite.

WoolSilkCotton

++Office of the Chief Rabbi | November 28, 2011 at 06:00 AM++

Here is a good summary:

http://www.ocfs.state.ny.us/main/publications/Pub1159text.asp

Also this, in the case of clergy:

http://www.childwelfare.gov/systemwide/laws_policies/statutes/
clergymandated.cfm

seymour

The founders of Agudah are crying in the grave over what these egoistic sadists have turned it into. With such rabbis who needs goyim!

Posted by: Jack Ass | November 27, 2011 at 11:11 PM

not really many untra frum people blame others for everything and take meshira to an extreme

remember they are Torah Jews hence they are never wrong

Reb Chaim

This posting highlights what is probably the worst kept secret in NYC political circles. Just about everyone who is familiar with Brooklyn DA Joe Hynes and his terrible record on prosecuting haredi sex offenders knows this sordid story. In return for their support and contributions to his reelection campaigns, Hynes simply looks the other way and regularly allows haredi perverts to escape to Israel rather than indicting and prosecuting them. I'm afraid this disgusting situation will continue until a new DA (one with a lot more courage than Hynes) is elected.

Eliyohu

...Or rather, appoint DAs for life. I think many places in the world would consider it bizarre that DAs and judges should have to stand for re-election. I know that here in Australia, judges and prosecutors are usually appointed for life, for this very reason. Otherwise, public sentiment would get in the way of their work. There is a statutory retirement age, though.

joe lenchnet

shmarya,

Have you ever counted or compared haredi sex abuse with that of the Catholic Church. I wonder who would lead

Shmarya

shmarya,

Have you ever counted or compared haredi sex abuse with that of the Catholic Church. I wonder who would lead

Posted by: joe lenchnet | November 28, 2011 at 11:39 AM

I once did a very rough estimate that found the numbers to be roughly equal per capita.

Office of the Chief Rabbi

WSC
Thanks.
As I said, no clergy qua clergy.

Vicki Polin

CALL TO ACTION: Send the book "Abuse in the Jewish Community as a Hanukkah Gift to all Members Agudath Israel of America

It's time to educate all members of Agudath Israel of America on the issues and ramifications sexual abuse plays on Jewish communities on an international basis. A perfect way to do this is to use this months tzedakah funds to purchase copies of Dr. Michael J. Salamon's book "Abuse in the Jewish Community", and send copies to all rabbis who are members of Agudath Israel of America.

Agudath Israel of America is a very powerful and influential non-profit organization. They're decrees have a huge impact on the lives of children living within ultra-orthodox Jewish communities on an international basis.

On November 27, 2011 it was revealed that Agudath Israel of America has been colluding with the district attorney's office in Brooklyn in covering up alleged sex crimes. Once again Agudath Israel is violating the civil rights of children who are growing up in Torah observant households, by denying those who have been sexually abused a chance to heal and the opportunity to grow up in an abuse free environment.

We all have to realize that what is happening in Brooklyn is also happening in other ultra orthodox communities across the United States, Israel, Australia, South Africa, Canada, etc.

It's time to let Agudath Israel know that this type of behavior must be stopped. Let members of Agudath Israel of America know you want them to be educated by sending them copies "Abuse in the Jewish community".

It's also important to know that the book "Abuse" has made it to the Amazon's top 100 books in the category of "Best Sellers in Dysfunctional Relationships". If 30 more books are sold, Dr. Michael J. Salamon's book will make it to the top 25 in this category. So besides buying a copy for members of Agudath Israel of America, also consider buying a book for yourself.

Can you imagine what the administration of Agudath Israel would say about this "banned book", making it to the top 25 at Amazon?


Click here to purchase "Abuse in the Jewish Community".
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Send copies of the book to:

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42 Broadway # 14
New York, NY 10004-3889

The Real Joe

Vicki (or anyone else) I know other people have asked you about this in the past however I just watch the famous Oprah interview can you please comment on that mainly is it you in that video and if yes why should anyone take you serious after such a nutty live on TV moment

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