« Syracuse Fires Accused Pedophile | Main | Judge Dismisses Lawsuit Against Kiryas Joel »

November 28, 2011

Exclusive: Hate All Non-Jews, Skvere Rabbis Say

Yalkut Shaylos u'Teshuvot coverA recently published book written by a Skvere hasidic rabbi and endorsed by the Skvere Rebbe himself tells Skvere hasidim and other Jews to hate all gentiles. Gentiles are wholly evil, the book says. They spiritually pollute the world, and even looking at their faces is harmful.

 

The book is called Yalkut Shaiylos u'Teshuvos. As the title indicates, it is a collection of questions and answers on halakhic topics. The questions were asked by young Skvere yeshiva students in New Square, New York. The answers are rabbinic.

The section translated below is titled, "Goyyim" and it explains the Skvere hasidic view of non-Jews, citing among other sources, the Skvere Rebbe himself.

The anti-gentile hatred is based on rabbinic sources. Those sources are heavily influenced by kabbalah and by hasidic thought.

A similar attitude toward non-Jews can be found in the Tanya, the so-called bible of Chabad hasidic thought written by the first rebbe of Chabad, Schneur Zalman of Liadi, and reprinted thousands of times by Chabad worldwide.

The translation was made by the noted filmmaker Menachem Daum, who sent it to me along with the scans of the book posted below and requested that I post it.

All remarks in square brackets [  ] are Daum's. All remarks in these brackets {  } are mine. All text within normal parenthesis (  ) are the book's author's.

Question:  Is it appropriate to not love, or to hate, a gentile?

Answer:  A Jew is intrinsically good.  A Jew is a part of God above.  Even if at times he strays it is not because he has become evil.  It is only that there is evil within him that he has to cleanse.

However, to separate with a million degrees of separation, a gentile is an impure thing.  The entire essence of the gentile is evil and impure.  Even if he occasionally does good deeds he does not thereby become good.  As the Holy Light of Life {i.e., the author of the book Ohr HaHayyim] says regarding gentiles, even such a one who is very careful in his actions does not obtain any degree of holiness thereby.

As is also well known, even educated gentiles who guarded themselves because of their clear understanding of what is right, nonetheless failed when they were tested, because a gentile has no power for goodness within him.

On the contrary, the evil thoughts of gentiles contaminate the world’s atmosphere and create ordeals for Jewish children. As the Remnant for Pinchos {i.e., the author of the book Sheairit L’Pinchas} says, the thoughts of gentiles, even when they are dead, still linger in and contaminate the atmosphere.

He says that to be protected from this there is only one solution; to completely despise the thoughts of gentiles and to realize that all their thoughts are only evil. (Hate doesn’t mean wanting to do something to a gentile, but it means not being able to tolerate him, not being able to stand him, because of his great impurity, especially when one realizes how harmful this {impurity} is {to Jews and to the world}.) Understandably, loving a gentile is the exact opposite of this.

The Holy Light of Life {i.e., the author of the book Ohr HaHayyim} says that for a person to be totally protected from evil he must hate the thing that has caused him to sin. This is why God commanded to uproot the trees of Midian. Since the Midianites caused the Jews to sin with the Peor idol, so therefore Jews must hate everything connected to Midian. Consequently, gentiles, whose thoughts bring upon us ordeals, may be hated.

So also the Holy Light of Life {i.e., the author of the book Ohr HaHayyim} writes, in the portion of Vayigash {in his book entitled Oh HaHayyim}, that the nature of the righteous ones is to hate gentiles.

Speaking of gentiles it is worth mentioning two points. First, with respect to conversing with a gentile: a gentile is impure, as we have mentioned, and he defiles one who speaks to him and this brings evil upon a person. (Except when one is forced to do so because then, as is explained by the Enlightener of the Eyes {i.e., the author of the book Me’or Eynayim}, we thereby extract the little bit of good which has fallen into the gentile, since everything in the world is a mixture of evil and good.)

Especially if one converses with friendship, because the texts tell us that when two people speak with affection then a portion of each one’s soul becomes connected to the other and no one wants to become connected to a gentile, God forbid.  (Understandably, when one must converse one must do so like a human being.  However, in his heart one should not love him.  And it is worth knowing that “it is a well-known law that Esau [the gentile] hates Jacob [the Jew].” The gentile hates you.  It is only because of his ulterior motives that he is talking in a friendly manner, because it is in his best interests to do so at this moment, because of his job or for tens of others reasons. Even the righteous gentiles among the nations are often so because they hate inhumanity and murder but not because they love Jews.)

The second point is; one is not to concentrate on the face of a gentile. As the Willows of the Valley {the author of the book Arvei Nahal} writes on the Talmudic passage, “it is forbidden to look upon the face of an evildoer”, because the other side [the devil] {the sitra achra} cloaks himself in the guise of an evildoer and it is a danger to look at him. This passage refers to a Jew who has, God forbid, become an evildoer. Certainly, beyond any doubt, a gentile whose whole nature is essentially evil, looking at his appearance is defiling.

In the Abbreviated Set Table {Kitzur Shulkhan Arukh} it states that if one sees beautiful creatures, even a gentile, one makes a blessing. The Abbreviated Set Table {Kitzur Shulkhan Arukh}adds this is only if one caught a casual glimpse, however concentrating on a gentile is forbidden.

Once, in middle of the night, The Perfumed Bed {the author of the book Arugot Haboshem} sent a messenger to his son, the Jacob Speaks {i.e., the author of the book Vayagid Yaakov}, requesting he should immediately come over. He quickly came running and the Perfumed Bed {the author of the book Arugot Haboshem} looked upon him and told him he can now leave. He only called upon him since a gentile doctor was there earlier and he didn’t want that the last thing he sees before he sleeps to be a gentile, so he called him only to take a look at him.

Our Honorable Holy Teacher, Our Master, Our Guide, Our Rebbe [of Skver], may he live a long and good life, repeated in the name of the Maharal that gentiles are referred to as “wicked waters” while Jews are akin to fire. Naturally, when fire and water mix the water extinguishes the fire. However, when there is an iron barrier between them, for example, water in a pot, then on the contrary, the fire cooks and evaporates the water.  Similarly, if one has connections to a gentile the gentile can, God forbid, extinguish the fire in the soul. However, if one is separated in all matters then the Jewish soul will triumph.

Yalkut Shaylos u'Teshuvot cover
Yalkut Shaylos u'Teshuvos Skvere anti-gentile book from Menachem Daum 11-27-11 dedication
Yalkut Shaylos u'Teshuvos Skvere anti-gentile book from Menachem Daum 11-27-11 p1
Yalkut Shaylos u'Teshuvos Skvere anti-gentile book from Menachem Daum 11-27-11 p2
Yalkut Shaylos u'Teshuvos Skvere anti-gentile book from Menachem Daum 11-27-11 p3

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

This is unfortunate that a rabbi might stoop to what is essentially hate speech. True that there are gentiles of course who are not common to the interests of Israel. There are plenty who died to make sure that we reached an era where we now live in Eretz Yisrael as well as have our rights here in America and in other places.

This kind of crap is why I am no longer frum. That this book is written in Yiddish means that it is destined for women and children (men - even in Skver - can read loshn koydesh).

"You've got to be taught - before it's too late - before you are six or seven or eight - to hate all the people your relatives hate - you've got to be carefully taught." (from "South Pacific")

That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

This book is intended for Yeshiva Ketana students, ie children.

How is the campaign for school vouchers going?

"That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between."

This is true - but isn't the point really that you can't hide this stuff? They are foolish if they think that because it's in Yiddish it can't get out. They are foolish if they think that they can, on the hand, believe this stuff, and on the other hand, be decent neighbors and citizens.

The fault lies with them. Yes, all Jews get a bad name from antisemites (and they don't need very much to fuel antisemitism). Maybe the publicizing of these things will cause other Jews to think twice before groveling in pilgrimage to such rebbes, to beg for a brocha so they can leave behind a nice check.

A Jew cannot be an Or l'Goyim, a light unto the nations, if he is demonizing them.

I find this attitude of Jewish superiority disgusting. While it is true, in my opinion, that Jews do have something uniquely special and can achieve spiritual heights not accessable to non-Jews, we still have to work harder than anyone else in order to achieve this potential. Ironically, our "specialness" requires us to be humble, not haughty.

We must set the example for the world, and we can only do this by living our lives with the highest possible ethics and morals so that non-Jews can learn from us and reach the levels required of the Noahides. In my opinion, we are currently on a very low madreiga (level) and are utterly failing in our responsibility to the world. The Skverers are "up there" leading the way downward.

Non-Jews are also created in the image of God, and must be treated with respect and dignity. It is true that I don't believe Jews should marry non-Jews and we should not celebrate their holidays and the like, but we must still be sincerely respectful, helpful, and honest with them as with anyone else.

I know plenty of non-jews that are better people than many allegedly Torah observant Jews. I work with an office full of non-Jews, and they are as goodhearted and respectful a people as I know.

In short, I believe being a Jew does make me special relative to everyone else. However, with that comes immense responsibility to everyone else and it is an awesome responsibility, one the Skverers and others are apparently not able to fulfill. Shame on them.

By the way, I was once accused of being a racist for believing that Jews are different and have a special spark. However, as APC pointed out, a convert automatically obtains this, so I guess you could say it is theoretically available to everyone.


The Holy Light of Life {i.e., the author of the book Ohr HaHayyim} says that for a person to be totally protected from evil he must hate the thing that has caused him to sin.

Yep, I agree. Thats why I hate all of them crazy rabbis. I'm glad that i have a rabbinical approval now.

And it is worth knowing that “it is a well-known law that Esau [the gentile] hates Jacob [the Jew].”

Mr. Daum should know that Jacob was not a Jew - he was Hebrew. Its one of his sons, Judah, whos ancestors are supposedly now known as Jews.

And the rebbe should know that Esau was not a gentile, he was as much of a Hebrew as Jacob. Afterall he was Jacob's twin, who shared Rebecca's womb with him.

So in conclusion, rebbe did a good job in contributing to anti-semitism, hatred and all that...

Dispicable distortions of Torah.

It is not really accurate to state that these hateful notions come from the "Skvere Rebbes".... these ideas are a longstanding part of Jewish traditional teachings articulated in the 16th and 17th centuries, but going back much further.

and in all fairness, according to the Yiddish text, the "hate" is supposed to be in one's heart alone but in one's dealings with others, one should speak in a respectful tone (redn vi a mentsh) and certainly not manifest itself with negative behavior against the non Jew (faynt hobn maynt nisht ton epes farn goy).

This is all very much the same as what Moslems say about Jews.

That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between

This sefer will no more effect how most gentiles look on secular Jews as do the demonstrations of the Westboro Baptist Church effect how Jews look on secular gentiles.

Most gentiles can differentiate between extremists sects such as Chassidim and extremist actions (such as removing Hilary's pictures or bus segregation) and ordinary Jews. To pretend that such extremism does not exist is pointless. Eastern Europe in general was very backwards until relatively recently. Why should you expect Jews from that area who isolate themselves from Western thought to be any more advanced than the gentiles in those areas.

Gevezener, by suggesting we cover up this backwardness, you will not go to the heart of the problem which is why are they such medieval peasants.

What needs to be done is to force enlightrnment values on to their children through the education system.

If you had a choice to sleep in a clean bed which smells of nothing or a bed fouled with shit which is heavily perfumed to hide its smell. Gevezener, would you choose the Perfumed Bed.

me thinks its just the opposite, that theese mutant squarers pollute this world with extreeme stupidity and insanity they are the ones who should not be even looked at, wow this kind of intense hate for those who help them give them sec.8 medicaid food stamps is unequaled in jewish history

Itchiemayer, belated congratulations to the St. Louis Cardinals on the World Series victory!

Hope all is well with you.

That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 11:42 AM

I agree with this part.

BTW, this is not a hassidic or from the Tanya only it is all in the Talmud.
And Jews suffered in all generations from Jewish converts to Christianity who went to the goyim expalining them how bad the Talmud is and what it says about the gentiles. Jews were killed becuase of those people.
Not to get side tracked but as i said many times that anyone thinking that FM exposing child molestation in the frum community means the well being of kids are just plain stupid and falling into the trap.How can a person mean well when in the same time is posting stuff like this post?
This blog is here to hurt Jews as much possible and incite people with inflammatory post.

The statements above in English (assuming they were correctly translated) are the insane rantings of Kazar ignoramuses, and are radically contrary to Torah Judaism.

For example, the statement
"a gentile has no power for goodness within him" is a blatant denial of Torah Judaism.

As explained at http://www.mesora.org/gentiles-reason.html

"... non-Jews, who are expected to abide by the Seven Noahide laws alone. The non-Jew who lives up to these laws has fulfilled his role, and merits reward and favour in God's eyes - the Talmud often refers to righteous Gentiles, who merit a place in the World to Come."

I recommend that any Jews or gentiles interested in learning authentic Judaism should study the articles on
http://www.mesora.org/ .

Some interesting reading from the other side of the coin.

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=134

Alfred Rosemberg and Julius Streicher themselves would congratulate this nut-job for his clear and unmistakeble racism and would recognize him as one of their own,totally entitked to wear a Nsdap uniform!

Do you silly frumma really think nonJews are so primitive and backward that all they can strive for are the Seven Noahide laws?

Did all nonJews just fall off the potato truck?

Do nonJews still start fire by rubbing two sticks together?

Do nonJews still live in caves?

You need to get out of Boro Park more often.

Some interesting reading from the other side of the coin.

http://www.realzionistnews.com/?p=134
http://www.realjewnews.com/?p=60

CHRISTIANS *NOT* JEWS ARE GOD’S CHOSEN PEOPLE!

...
Did not St Paul, the Hebrew of Hebrews, say that the Jews are the enemies of the Cross? (Philippians 3 )

When St Paul said, “The Jews killed the Lord Jesus and their own prophets; they please not God but are contrary to all men: Forbidding us to preach the Gospel to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath of God is come unto them to the uttermost,” did he not make it crystal clear that the Jews are not the “Chosen People?”

And did not Jesus Christ Himself reveal that the Jews are of the Synagogue of Satan? (Revelations 2). Jesus Christ also revealed that the Jews are not true Jews when He said to the Christians of Asia Minor, I will make them who say they are Jews but are not, but do lie, to come and worship before thy feet. (Revelations 3).

How then can the so-called Jews who are now the enemies of the Cross and of the Synagogue of Satan, and who must worship at the feet of Christians, be the “Chosen People?”
...


Why should we fight over how good the goy is when we can pray to HaShem to send us Moshiach right now! and then we will find out the truth and they wont be able to hide or hurt us? So Yidden, let this thing be, and demand that HaShem send us Moshiach already!

That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 11:42 AM


I disagree by publishing it here and seeing all the negative comments shows that 99.99% of jews thing this is nonsense and hate speech. and think the the skver rebbie is a very little hateful man

Deremes- you have a warped mind yes if this would be published pre ww2 then i would agree with you but here in the 21 st century in a fair country you cant ask for a better country then usa you still spew youre nonsense that goyim will hate us more and it will do damage to us all jews is a tottal mindless statement has no basis in reality worst things were said and everything is the way it was you are way way of in fact you dont think what youre saying youre just saying it out of pure hate for shmarya and everything he does youre full of it.

That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

While it is true, in my opinion, that Jews do have something uniquely special and can achieve spiritual heights not accessable to non-Jews, we still have to work harder than anyone else in order to achieve this potential. Ironically, our "specialness" requires us to be humble, not haughty.

In short, I believe being a Jew does make me special relative to everyone else.

BTW, this is not a hassidic or from the Tanya only it is all in the Talmud.
And Jews suffered in all generations from Jewish converts to Christianity who went to the goyim expalining them how bad the Talmud is and what it says about the gentiles. Jews were killed becuase of those people.

Curious that even some of those condemning his writings are still using "Anti-Goy Lite©" in their arguments. Is his sin in their eyes his beleifs, or just having the bad form to write them down where even the unclean Goyem might read them.

I know the usual posters will chime in and call me anti-semite soon. Am I anti-semetic because I think the rabbi is a vile man writing vile things?

Am I anti-semetic because I refute the concept that non-jews are inherently inferior, and a lower life form than jews (I also refute the catholic concept of "original sin").

Am I anti-semetic because I'm tired of listening to the apolgists making excuses for outright hate speech simply because it comes from a Rabbi?

I still find it amusing and curious that I will receive more venom as an anomymous poster responding to a level of thinking so vulgar that if directed AGAINT jews in some countries that the writer would end up in jail, than will be directed against the original author who is supposedly a man of influence and respect.

I am amazed then that there's so much Greek philosophy and plagarism from Plato etc in the Talmud.

interestingly,

separating oneself from the evil goyim (his words not mine) as skver does seems not to help at all from preventing evil in their mist.

it seems separating themselves has just increased the level of evil within their community. And if one knows history skver has a long history of evil and corruption.

BTY what he is saying is not that strange to many in the herdie world, I heard that when I was young and I did not go to a Satmar or Skver yeshiva, just black hate

A curious little hateful man leading a curious little hateful town. May his butler break under the strain of indictment and throw him under the bus.

Just another proof that when the Torah says that nonJews will always hate Jews, that it is true.

You see, this book will cause a tremendous amount of anti-Semitism. All the Jews wrote was that Jews "hate" non-Jews, without calling for any ACTION against them, without calling for anyone to murder a non-Jew. JUST to HATE the non-Jew in his HEART. And that will cause a tremendous amount of anti-Semitism.

And yet, the Muslims call the rest of us (non-Muslims) infidels, and the Koran requires that the infidels be relegated to second-class citizens, they must pay fines and taxes to the Muslim, that the Muslim may rape the infidel women, and that the infidel must be subjugated and killed, and that the Muslim must wage Jihad against the infidel.

But, of course, this will not cause any anti-Muslim backlash. To the contrary, the leftists will continue to romanticize the Muslim.

Which proves that these reactions have nothing to do with intellect. This book will just be an excuse for the inherrent anti-Semitism to rear its ugly head.

And Shmarya will be proud that he had a hand in it.

Until it reaches him as well.

But then it will be too late.

Tonda - you may or may not be anti-SEMITIC you are most definitely not antisemetic, since there is no such word.

Tonda - Thanks for taking my quotes out of context...

Tonda - Thanks for taking my quotes out of context...

Posted by: itchiemayer

Feel free to clarify. If I misread or misunderstood, I'll be the first to apolgise.

are therefore some worse then chabad? who would have thought?

I guess my gentile tax funded entitlements are somehow cleansed and made pure. All money must be intrinsically good.

Reading this makes me sick...

@p and all others who's standard answer is "look at what the goyim do"

So again to paraphrase you, you think our mandate from God as Jews is to rise to the level of (as you describe them) the scum of the earth?

I rather think ersonally that He provided us a slightly greater challenge than that, and that the attitude of individuals from other groups s in no way relevant to how we are expected to conduct ourselves. Further - I think your same stale argument (offered in this and about every discussion you choose to enter) rises almost to the 3rd grade level.

What was written by this rabbi violates Torah - that it is meant for children is inexcusable.

-----------------

We've had a couple of Orthidox voices of late that have come in here selling themselves as more rational. I am curious to see how many of those voices will join this discussion.

That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 11:42 AM

those who sit on their hands are quietly going along with it. when good jews don't publicly condemn bad jews, it looks a lot like when good muslims do not publicly condemn bad muslims.

when you hide this stuff, you're responsible for it.

to teach such hate as theese squarers do especially to young children is a monstrosity, the reason for this insane hate towards the goyin is because they themselfs feel inferior to the goyim and they need to boost their ego by belliteling them, if not for sec.8 medicaid and food stamps theese squarers would be identical the the white trash that are high on drugs but at least the white trash doesnt go around teaching their young to hate all others who arent like them.

This is yet another example of what vouchers will be used for.

The frumma are fighting tooth and nail for government vouchers.

Rest assured that vouchers will just be another scam for the frumma to steal from the US taxpayer, like welfare, food stamps, section 8, Pell, medicaid, etc. etc. etc.

Let us all convert to another faith and case closed.

This is yet another example of what vouchers will be used for.

The frumma are fighting tooth and nail for government vouchers.

Rest assured that vouchers will just be another scam for the frumma to steal from the US taxpayer, like welfare, food stamps, section 8, Pell, medicaid, etc. etc. etc.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | November 28, 2011 at 03:06 PM

you forgot they can and should do it since most of th money comes from goyim who hate us so it is OK

maybe we can have occupy skver in a week or two and condemn this hateful man and group. and say we are the 99% who do not follow this sick little hateful man.

my guess is the evil goyim he talks about would not do the evil he did with his butler and try to kill a family because they worshiped in a different church.


maybe from now on we should say if a skver chussid does something good be wary of it, since we are sure there are really evil or just selfish reasons for him doing it

they'll tell you that they are liberating the money from the evil goyim and bringing it into the realm of kedusha, just as the Jews "borrowed" the wealth of their Egyptian "friends" and brought it out of Egypt with them, to liberate it from the bondage of evil that Egypt represented...

I'm not kidding... they really WILL tell you this... well they might NOT tell YOU, actually, but that's what they tell each other to rationalize their larceny.

this is neither new or limited to this freaks. It is common knowledge that zionist supremacist ideology is based on the hatred of anyone not a zionist supremacist. similar to nazi ideology.
Just read Gilad Atzmon's book, the wondering who? He describes the tribal ethics used to identify as a zionist supremacist very well.

I'm speechless on this one... Wow.

Just wondering, how well wis this sell in Farsi? Arabic?

I meant, How well will this sell...

I disagree by publishing it here and seeing all the negative comments shows that 99.99% of jews thing this is nonsense and hate speech. and think the the skver rebbie is a very little hateful man

Posted by: seymour | November 28, 2011 at 01:06 PM

FailedMessaihnites are not 99% of the Jews. They are more of an eclectic group of people who for one reason or another are self hating and are a little confused as to who the real haters of the Jewish people and their religion are to be found.

The Skvere are in their own world, don't really give a sh-it about what FailedMessaih and its minions have to say. Their mistrust of the "Goyim" are the result of the lessons of history with the memories the pogroms of yesteryear. While it may be politically incorrect to say that the "Goyim" hate the Jews it will take a while before the message to the contrary filters down to these fundamentalists.

I'm not kidding... they really WILL tell you this... well they might NOT tell YOU, actually, but that's what they tell each other to rationalize their larceny.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 03:21 PM

when I was in yeshiva and they asked me to sign papers so they can rip of the government. I refused to sign

when they asked me why, I said first it is stealing and anyway if i was to sign to steal money I want the money

they he said we need it and anyway the money will only go to further Torah studies and it is needed (what you said more or less)

I said no, your yeshiva may need it to survive Torah will survive do not worry


then he tried his last tactic, don't you see everybody else does it the goyim do it (interesting I thought we are supposed to be better than they are only they do stuff like that)

I love that one, I got up and said I am going to movie he said a ben torah how could you.

I said goyim do it why not me

bottom line they are full of it and will argue they are better than goyim and goyim are bad, but when it suites their needs stealing money from the government then they claim the goyim we can do it.

Unfortunately, this hypocrisy is all to common in ultra frum yeshivas

If they are so righteous and good why are they lying to get government grants, and if that is the only way they can survive, does it make sense to them that god would want then to live a certain way that can only survive with lying and cheating.

what type of god it that?

The insane rantings in the so-called Jewish book above have no source in authentic Judaism.

As mentioned in the Wikipedia article
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Judah_the_Prince

The Talmud mentions how Rabbi Judah the Prince, undoubtedly one of the greatest rabbis of all times, "had a close friendship with Antoninus, possibly the Emperor Antoninus Pius". Rabbi Judah also told Antoninus that he had a share in the world to come.

Antoninus was without a doubt a non-Jew, which utterly refutes the disgusting lies referenced in the book (assuming the book excerpts above are real).

FailedMessaihnites are not 99% of the Jews. They are more of an eclectic group of people who for one reason or another are self hating and are a little confused as to who the real haters of the Jewish people and their religion are to be found.

Posted by: p | November 28, 2011 at 03:36 PM

maybe not maybe yes but it will show who ever comes here that very few Jews actually agree with this hate and nonsense.

Then again if you feel and act in a way that everybody hates you, that is exactly what will happen

self fulfilling prophecy

By definition the Jews of New Square live isolated lives. Their idea of the Goy is based on the Goy of East Europe and truth be told they are not far from the mark there. Witness the events of the Holocaust and the popular cooperation in the German destruction of the Jews.These peopel were not animals , they were worse.
Before we start a cheer leading campaign for the Christian world lets not forget about the Holocaust and the response from even our frineds like FDR and friendly states like Holland, Switzerland etc.
The Skverer are not really aware of the new ethos of the US and that the Goyim here are not out to get the Jews. It will take them time to understand this.
The texts of the Skverer community are from the 18th- cntury to 1939 and that informs their portrait of goyim. Persecutions, Pogroms, the destruction of Ukranian Jewry betwen 1918-1921 (Petluria) and then Communism and finally the Nazis.
I think any sensitive person can realize why the Skverer can buy into this sort of thinking. I bet many survivors in 1945 felt the same way, and I bet many Israelis think along similar lines tough on a secualr basis.
They were stupid to put their views in print and this site should not have publicized their stupidity.

Deremes. There is no reason to convert.

You will find hate filled nonsense in Christian religious text from the 16th century. What one must do is not bring that way of thinking into the 21st century. Christians and Jews in the West have dropped the most offensive aspects of the old religion without converting and it is time for the backward Jews of Romania and Ukraine to be made to embrace more enlightened values.

To suggest that somehow hating someone in one's heart without manifesting that hatred is somehow moral is ridiculous. The reason why these medieval rabbis did not wish this hatred to be manifested was because they feared the consequences of doing so. You should not confuse cowardice with morality.

In Robert Weinberg book "Stalin's Forgotten Zion: Birobidzhan and the Making of a Soviet Jewish Homeland" mention is made of a Soviet propaganda poster from 1928 that argues that the kheder produces a slavish attitude and leads to undesirable consequences such as religious observance and practice, enmity among peoples, and petty commerce. In contrast, the Soviet school prepares healthy people, capable of building a socialist society in which agricultural labor, factory work, and amity among peoples are primary objectives. The Yiddish reads: ""The old school produced slaves; the Soviet school prepares healthy, skilled workers who are builders of the socialist order. The kheder (left) leads to the shop, synagogue and hatred between peoples. The Soviet school (right) leads to the factory, land, and unity between peoples.

http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/biro/html/panel05.html

It seems that the soviets may have had a point.

++Deremes | November 28, 2011 at 03:09 PM++

If the frumma converted to Judaism, and practiced the 613 mitzvahs, especially the ones about not lying, cheating, and stealing, it would be a good start towards observing a 'new religion' for them.

As a Jew, I'm deeply offended by this book. The authors, promoters and teachers of this crap must be imprisoned.

I don't believe either in Jewish superiority or Jewish inferiority.

Zalman Alpert- The Skverer are not really aware of the new ethos of the US and that the Goyim here are not out to get the Jews. It will take them time to understand this.
You cant be serious are you really that much removed from reality how long will it take them to realize that they not in the old world in ukrain or whatever other european country,to me it looks like if we dont have enemies create one thats what it amounts to dont they realize that because of the kindness of the goyim they are able to live so confortebly they are breaking the hand that feeds them

Tonda, it is not disagreement with this book that makes you an anti-semite, but your tireless work on spreading of the worst anti-semitic myths all over the internet.

Posted by: itchiemayer | November 28, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Good post, Itchiemayer.

I thought that we were only supposed to hate Amalek.

Who are the righteous gentiles?

What about all the gentiles who save Jews? What about Batya who saved Moshe Rabbeinu?
What about the goyim who saved Jews since then? WWII?

In my personal life, I've seen more evil from Jews than non Jews.

Many times a Jew instigated goyim against us.

The Skvere reasoning seems like a way of manipulating followers to reject even positive ideas of the goyim that are permitted.

++just as the Jews "borrowed" the wealth of their Egyptian "friends" and brought it out of Egypt with them, to liberate it from the bondage of evil that Egypt represented...++
++Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 03:21 PM++

In 1978, when I was still a Lubavitcher, I enrolled in a B.A. program at LIU (downtown Brooklyn campus). I took a literature course, and when the topic of biblical stories came up, the instructor read from the Exodus from Egypt.
He mentioned that passage, and said it was looting by the slaves, in what must have been mass rioting that broke out as the slaves were escaping.
Silly me, I raised my hand and gave the frum explanation of "...they were liberating the wealth from the Egyptians and bringing it into the realm of holiness; the Egyptians gave them their possessions willingly..."
The entire class burst out laughing at me. Even some MO guys in the class looked at me and rolled their eyes.

That was an early sign to me that there was something wrong with my perspective.

WoolSilkCotton,
Are all secular Jews like Madoff/Michael Milken/Ivan Boesky/the pervert Anthony Weiner/Barney Frank/Fred Neulander?
of course not.
The frumma the frumma the frumma. All the frumma? some frumma? most frumma?

Gevezener Chusid writes:

and in all fairness, according to the Yiddish text, the "hate" is supposed to be in one's heart alone but in one's dealings with others, one should speak in a respectful tone (redn vi a mentsh) and certainly not manifest itself with negative behavior against the non Jew

In other words, a Jew should always strive to be a two-faced lying hypocrite.

"Light unto the nations" my green and warty ass.

WoolSilkCotton- may i ask do you really buy into the story of yetziath mitzrayim do you really think that the jews did all that or the whole story is not fabricated to glorify ones self.?

Tonda, it is not disagreement with this book that makes you an anti-semite, but your tireless work on spreading of the worst anti-semitic myths all over the internet.

Posted by: who knows

[citation needed]

How about a little more than just empty accusations. What myths? What sites? Care to share a link, or is one simply guilty by accusation?

How about this. I accuse YOU of giving false testimony (576).

All the woman-oppressing, goy-hating, thieving black hats:

It doesn't look good for the Jews when this gets published in English. But look over there! The Muslims hate us! So it's O.K. for us to be vile bigoted pieces of shit!

Sorry, guys. It doesn't work that way. If you want to pat yourselves on the back for being holier than everyone else in the world you have to be just a little better than them. Hell, by your own standards the Muslims are better than we are. They only hate the Jews. We are supposed to hate everyone except Jews of our mesorah.

Zalman Alpert-

There's simply no excuse for the abominable ignorance of Jewish peasants promoting twisted anti-Torah ideologies like the book above.

On the holiest day of the Jewish year, Yom Kippur, Jews read the book of Yonah describing the repentance of a large NON-JEWISH city, ie on the holiest day of the year the Torah is teaching a lesson to Jews learned from the behavior of NON-JEWS.

for all that say the skver rebbie is only calling to hate in their heart but take no action are very naive to think that this will not lead to hateful actions

if one reads history books the hatred of the Jews in Germany ( i just pick this example since i have read many books on it) did not happen overnight and did not start with Hitler and or the Nazis it manifest itself oven many generation. Jew are different not because of religion by because of blood was a common believe way before the Nazis came into power read "Ideology of Death: Why the Holocaust Happened in Germany" In addition one can see the countries where the public enthusiastically help the Nazis had underlining antisemitism but maybe no major action before the nazis came to power but when they had a chance the hate gave them an excuse to act.

as opposed to countries like Italy, Denmark where there was no underling major antisemitism, most of the public did not buy the nazi nonsense even with the all might nazi propaganda

My guess would be in other cases of mass murder ethnic cleansing and so on, only happens in areas where talk like the skver rebbie said but about others was going on for a few generations.

evil and getting people do do evil to other groups only comes after the masses are convinced that the other is less than you, not as humane do not have a soul or whatever.

this is why what the Skver moron says is so dangerous. It can only lead to bad things. while the skver do not have the power to inflict major damage, we can see that it has infiltrated the minds of some frummas as we see how they treat their goyish workers and would never think of treat a Jewish worker that way

of course one good example is smr who follows chabbad and of course we all know what the tanya says about goyim

In other words, a Jew should always strive to be a two-faced lying hypocrite.

"Light unto the nations" my green and warty ass.

Posted by: A. Nuran | November 28, 2011 at 04:04 PM

Even Jesus said that you can recognize the tree by its fruits.... what a person is thinking inside is not so relevant as long as he behaves appropriately.

while Jews are akin to fire. Naturally, when fire and water mix the water extinguishes the fire. However, when there is an iron barrier between them, for example, water in a pot, then on the contrary, the fire cooks and evaporates the water. Similarly, if one has connections to a gentile the gentile can, God forbid, extinguish the fire in the soul.

I guess arsonist Spitzer absorbed a lot of this crap.

Mmmm, not quite. Yeshu bin Miryam the Haploid of Nazareth said that every good tree gives good fruit, and every evil tree gives evil fruit and that by their fruits you will know them. If the person's heart is bad it will show in his actions. If people are hateful bigots they won't be able to conceal it completely unless they are sociopathic manipulators. Is that really what Torah teaches us to be? If so, Judaism deserves to be eradicated root and branch.

Apologies to Sponge Bob:

Are you ready Yidden? "Oy, Oy Rebbe"
I Can't hear you "OY, OY REBBE"
Ohh...
Who lives in squalor in Rockland County
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
Acerbic and black hat and zealous is he
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
If fanatical nonsense be something you wish
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
Then flop in the shul and plotz like a knish
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
READY
"Scroungebob Skverpants" 3x

FailedMessaihnites are not 99% of the Jews. They are more of an eclectic group of people who for one reason or another are self hating and are a little confused as to who the real haters of the Jewish people and their religion are to be found.

The Skvere are in their own world, don't really give a sh-it about what FailedMessaih and its minions have to say. Their mistrust of the "Goyim" are the result of the lessons of history with the memories the pogroms of yesteryear. While it may be politically incorrect to say that the "Goyim" hate the Jews it will take a while before the message to the contrary filters down to these fundamentalists.

Posted by: p | November 28, 2011 at 03:36 PM

you say this is a reaction, but what if it is not a reaction? what if it was a cause? what if some people brought violence upon themselves because of their own actions?

of course, they would never own up to such things, given that they have defined themselves spiritually as incapable of sinning against goyim. but we know that some were even going village to village inflicting violence on other jews. why would gentiles be immune to their iniquities, if even jews are not?

++jancsipista. | November 28, 2011 at 04:06 PM++

I believe that Jews were indeed slaves in Egypt, and eventually there was a rebellion and the Jews rioted and escaped.
The Torah version is embellished and filled with 'miracles' that could not have happened, or did happen to a lesser degree (such as plagues) and the story was embellished over the course of time, until it was written and blown into a wild story divorced from the reality of what must have happened.
The commentaries and the frumma blew it up even further, with crazy versions like saying that the Egyptians 'gave' them their possessions 'willingly'.

Of course, when i was at LIU, I was still under the mind control of the frumma velt, and I still believed the nonsense versions of every story.

of course, they would never own up to such things, given that they have defined themselves spiritually as incapable of sinning against goyim. but we know that some were even going village to village inflicting violence on other jews. why would gentiles be immune to their iniquities, if even jews are not?

Posted by: Proton Soup | November 28, 2011 at 04:47 PM

if one is to believe the Torah and tanach

when the Jews had the power they killed and had holy wars. Kill every man woman child and animal

when the Jews had the power they killed and had holy wars. Kill every man woman child and animal

Posted by: seymour | November 28, 2011 at 04:56 PM

sig heil

Posted by: Deremes | November 28, 2011 at 05:01 PM

you are cursing the Torah, not me


i did not make this up it says it clearly in the Torah and tanach

are you embarrassed by some stuff that is in the Torah

interesting

Seems to be all OK in the eyes of the law. Kiryas Joel can stay says a federal judge. Is everyone being paid off these days or do they just want us all in congregated communities with our 3 passports in hand for an easier kill? Waiting4Moshiach to fly me to China.

How does a person legally get 3 passports, as advised by Waiting4Moshiach?

Can you be a citizen of 3 countries at the same time?

Oh yeah, key word is 'legally'.

Nope not embarrassed at all im a very proud Jew.
But since you are embarrassed and despise the Torah you hate those who follow the Torah and you also say that the Torah is a racist document a claim that Jews who converted to Christianity in past generations claimed.Therefore i say go and embrace your German comrades

It is possible to legally get 3 passports. Some countries don't allow you to renounce citizenship, so if you move around you can become a triple citizen.

Nope not embarrassed at all im a very proud Jew.

One who inappropriately throws nazi references.

You are an embarrassment to anyone who calls themselves religious.

Posted by: Deremes | November 28, 2011 at 05:31 PM

I assume you are not denying that what I said is true and it does state that in the Torah?

and the way we define racism today, yes the Torah is a racist. But I look at from a different angle

(I do not hate the Torah, i do not believe that god wrote the Torah big difference)

i firmly believe that the Torah was a major step forward for humanity. From there we made more and more progress to a more humane and equal society.

If one looks at that time period and how civilization behaved the Torah was very enlightened but we moved beyond that. For example even thought it permitted slaves there where rules to there care and let them free if abused. that was most likely a novel and very progressive idea at that time. It did not cut off hands from thieves like the codes of Hammurabi. How to treat the poor and so on

that is fine if one says it was written by people , but if one says it was written by god, he could have just said No slaves period. or you believe in a cruel god


They were stupid to put their views in print and this site should not have publicized their stupidity.

Posted by: Zalman Alpert
=======

Well, at least we all agree they are stupid.

They are also writing what they believe and many frumiks often say; Frum Yidn are the crown and everyone else sucks.

And Amalek? That is straight from the holy writ.

The Koran has lots of hateful statements regarding Jews and other infidels.

The Pauline Gospels of the New Testament is filled with outright hate.

So why should these fundamentalists be any different.

Your real frustration is that Shmarya publicizes this on the web and everyone can now see what they wrote and teach.

I think it is great that the idiots that wrote this should get the publicity they deserve. I wish every hateful person would have their fifteen minutes of fame.

Why should the Westboro Church fundamentalist morons have all the attention? What about us Jews? Can't we have our share of hate, too?

Yay, for us.

Now we, too, have proved for the ten millionth time that we are just as scumy and worthless as the next guy ( next goy?).

Until we clean our own house we have no right to point fingers at others.

Do the tax payers of NY really want their hard earned money going to these leeches, these bench pressers, these criminals masquerading under the guise of holier-than-thou-niks?

Let the goyim see this and let them decide.

A non Jew has a tzelem Elokim,created in the image of G-d. But a Jew has a much higher soul, but that means the higher you are the lower you can fall. The authentic view is ... EIN MAALIN VEEIN MORIDIN. We do not raise up nor do we downgrade the non Jew. Its like a work of nature but still a human being who has the potential to become a Jew. Do we knock trees. No, a tree has a purpose and most certainly a non Jew as well. But all of nature and all of the universe was created as background scenery for the chief actor, The Jew.

They're taught to hate all non-Jews? Most of NS is on some sort of state or federal assistance. I guess they don't hate them enough to turn down their hard-earned money.

Terrible stuff.

JPACNYC.BLOGSPOT.COM- and you really beleive that that we are the reason this world was created, well if you do then ill tell you that you are in a tottal fantasy that someone else created for you the chineese outnumber us a thousand to one and they dont claim any nonsense that they are it you need to be deprogrammed maybee then you will be able to think for youreself.

JPAC, you are psychotic.

Take your posting, and substitute the word 'Jew' for any other religion, and that is how religious fanatics of other religions view you.

There are hundreds of millions of people of other religions, and they say you are wrong and they are right.

You are indeed as dumb as the tree stump you compare the nonJews to.

Jpacnyc is a pigfaced racist and it is shown in many of his comments on this blog.

He is kind of a mirror image of Tonda.

But all of nature and all of the universe was created as background scenery for the chief actor, The Jew.

I've heard of earth-centric, and helio-centric views of the universe. The first was from lack of understanding science and hubris. The second is from enlightenment and growth of knowledgd as man matured.

Jew-centric is a new one for me. A whole group of people that believe that the universe revolves around them?

And you actually believe this?

In 1978, when I was still a Lubavitcher, I enrolled in a B.A. program at LIU

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | November 28, 2011 at 03:59 PM

How did you manage to pull that one off?

Ethnocentrism is new to you?

Ethnocentrism is new to you?

Posted by: SkepticalYid

No, but the sarcasm tags don't work as well as the bold and italic ones do.

A non Jew has a tzelem Elokim,created in the image of G-d. But a Jew has a much higher soul, but that means the higher you are the lower you can fall. The authentic view is ... EIN MAALIN VEEIN MORIDIN. We do not raise up nor do we downgrade the non Jew. Its like a work of nature but still a human being who has the potential to become a Jew. Do we knock trees. No, a tree has a purpose and most certainly a non Jew as well. But all of nature and all of the universe was created as background scenery for the chief actor, The Jew.

Posted by: JPACNYC.BLOGSPOT.COM | November 28, 2011 at 06:55 PM

what he is saying is nothing new it is taught in many yeshivas

I've heard of earth-centric, and helio-centric views of the universe. The first was from lack of understanding science and hubris. The second is from enlightenment and growth of knowledgd as man matured.

Jew-centric is a new one for me. A whole group of people that believe that the universe revolves around them?

And you actually believe this?

Posted by: tonda | November 28, 2011 at 07:29 PM

You've obviously never been to the five towns.

Jeff, I was raised in a bizarro-orthodox home. My parents were Holocaust survivors with a lot of psychological issues- paranoia, constant fear, never laughed or even smiled, etc. Their religious practices were an extremely mixed bag of extreme observance of some things and quasi-observance of others.

In an effort to escape this, both physically and mentally, I joined the Lubavitch cult, which at least gave me some escape and religious direction. In the mid-1970's Lubavitch was much more benign than it is today.

Having had secular education all my life, high school and a BA from another college, I enrolled at LIU in one of their health-related professions programs.

Yada yada yada, I regained control of my life, got a sense of direction and purpose, realized the Lubavitch world was a nice place to visit but too backward and disconnected from reality, got a job, made peace with my parents, got married, went to medical school, and here I am on FailedMessiah.

oh my g-d

WoolSilkCotton- you say here you are on fm, is that supposed to be good or bad?:)

The Sqvare Rabbi is a real "square." He probably cites Chapter 2 of Tanya, which talks about the inferior gentile soul (sic).

Chabadniks are proud of that passage.

Hey Wooly, we may know each other. Write me at sender12@aol.com

Gevezener Chusid and others saying that revealing this sort of thing will only make people hate Jews more,

I used to moderate a very active Islamic chat room (being a Muslim myself :D) and this blog actually came in real handy for teaching people NOT to be anti-Semitic. We all have experiences with people from weird sects speaking up as though they represent our entire religion, and this blog is very helpful because it points out that it's not just a Christian experience or a Muslim experience, but an experience we all share in common.

When people like Shmyara point out that the same thing is happening in Judaism, it actually gets the empathy going because that's something we experience in our own religion. No longer can they say, "Oh, the Jews are doing this" or "the Jews say that" because the blogger makes it obvious that they don't speak for most Jewish people any more than a cleric in Saudi speaks for me or Pat Robertson speaks for an evangelical. We may believe different things, but we all share a common struggle getting the idiots in our faiths to stop doing dumb things. We're brothers in binds.

That being said, I also recommended people not read the comments because every time an article about something bad comes up, the comments are flooded with "how dare u talk bad about racists!" and insults directed towards the blogger. :P

This kind of crap is why I am no longer frum.
---------------------------------
I'm surprised it would have that effect

---------------------------------
That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 11:42 AM
-----------------------------------
Agreed, Now someone above said that *most* goyim would be understanding about how fringe groups work, etc. But that is the key point: MOST will be understanding. But a few might not be so nice and understanding, and since Jews are generally such a small minority that when a small fraction of non-jews get irrational, that small fraction might be a rather large number to contend with.

Someone also accused Gevenser Chusid of covering things up. He is NOT covering anything up. He is merely saying that you do not have to go and flaunt this stuff in public. His heart is in the right place; why cause pain for someone?

But Yoel, we've seen what happens if you leave the wound covered up as you suggest. It festers, and horrible things live in it.

Better to expose it to air and light and drain the corruption. It's painful but less so in the long run than the alternative.

Nuran; i am not saying to cover it up. but between covering it up, and flaunting it there must be some intermediate more productive way. this forum does not seem to be fresh air, but rather another venue for these things to fester.

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment

----------------------

FailedMessiah.com is a reader supported website.

Thank you for your generous support!

----------------------

----------------------

----------------------

Please Scroll Down Toward The Bottom Of This Page For More Search Options, For A List Of Recent Posts, And For Comments Rules

----------------------

Recent Posts

----------------------

Tip Jar

Gelt Is Good!

Tip Jar

FailedMessiah.com is a reader supported website. Please click the Donate button now to contribute.

Thank you for your generous support!

Tip Jar

Gelt Is Good!

Tip Jar

-------------------------

Comment Rules

  • 1. No anonymous comments.

    2. Use only one name or alias and stick with that.

    3. Do not use anyone else's name or alias.

    4. Do not sockpuppet.

    5. Try to argue using facts and logic.

    6. Do not lie.

    7. No name-calling, please.

    8. Do not post entire articles or long article excerpts.

    ***Violation of these rules may lead to the violator's comments being edited or his future comments being banned.***

Older Posts Complete Archives

Search FailedMessiah

----------------------

FailedMessiah.com is a reader supported website.

Thank you for your generous support!

----------------------

----------------------

----------------------

FailedMessiah.com in the Media

RSS Feed

Blog Widget by LinkWithin