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November 28, 2011

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baruch aarolevine

heres a whole article by rabbi tzvi freeman:
e not only leave room, we are open to learn from others when it does not conflict with our root beliefs, as Maimonides writes in his code of law, "Take the truth from whence it comes." The great "pillar of Jewish law" cites Aristotle, Galen and many of the Arabic philosophers with deep respect. To quote the Talmud once again, "If they will tell you there is Torah among the nations, do not believe them. But if they will tell you there is wisdom among the nations, believe them.

baruch aarolevine

wow. what a chilul hashem. what a desecration of the torah.
please, understand. jews do not hate gentiles. those who do are fools who do not truly know torah. we hate NO ONE but wicked people.
gentiles are not "wicked." they do not exist to "serve us". this ethnocentrism is purely anti-torah. forgive my coreligionists for such racist statements.

Missing the Point

No. For having all this hatred in our hearts against our fellow human beings (God's creation), God is punishing us by inspiring the Goyim to hate us.
Hence, the real reason for the Holocaust.

Missing the Point

No. For having all this hatred in our hearts against our fellow human beings (God's creation), God is punishing us by inspiring the Goyim to hate us.
Hence, the real reason for the Holocaust.

mark w.manning

Also,I posted earlier concerning my family blood line abd sir issac newton.I failed to mention a kinship with the composer franz Liszt.I think almost for certain he was hebrew.But then again,my family,has not observed the strict code of no intermarriage.Thusly,does this find me at fault?I have no accent.I have a certain drive and intellect tested in the 125-130 range.At the same time,I have not established myself with any notable degrees,or accomplishments.Thank you,
MW Manning

mark w.manning

Is sir issac newton,a jew?ive been told he was.If thats yhe case,am I a jew?I was led to believe that jewish blood supercedes all others.Now,since I came from this line,and.had nothing say of who my ancestors slept with?I'm I but a mongrel
Now.And what of my children?

EGAR

Yiddish is not a secret code language. Anyone (Jew or not) can learn the language, so posting the awful, hateful statements in English makes no difference. How can Jewish people and their teachings be a "light unto the world" when rabbis/teachers talk such evil?
I was born to Jewish parents and raised in a Jewish home...NEVER did I hear of being disrespectful of (or to )non-Jews or treating them in any way other than I would treat fellow Jews. (Before I am a Jew, I am a human being!)
I'm so thoroughly disgusted with words and actions of people who present themselves as "religious" Jews. So many are simply frauds (and worse).

Reuben

above person: re: Frankie Weisse

Reuben

I have to agree with the above person. I hope we Jews can move on from the frummies. I also noticed that all the hateful bigots who are defending obvious hate lines from these so called 'holy books' remind me a lot of the Nazis. How are you different? Didn't the Nazis say they are superior to everybody else and that all men will be happy to serve them once the Fuehrer took over?

You fools you have become what you hate.
Hopefully us in the younger generation will not follow you evil and twisted ways of hate.

Tell the Truth

I agree 100% with everything the author has said. It is sad and humorous to sees all the angry responses. It seems that this site is a sort of magnet where the scum of the earth can come and spew all their nonsense. All I can say is thank God many of you low lives have gone off the derech, this means that there is little chance for your kids to become frum, so essentially your cleansing the Jewish people of your rotten lineage. This makes our job a lot easier. Anyways,enjoy coming to this site and bitching like little babies, blaming all your problems on those damn frummies. Within a generation or two you guys will be completely cut off and silenced, due to your own intermarriage and assimilation, and then the Jewish people can be spared your nonsense. Cheers.

Zeus

Hellenize or perish is the answer!!!
Reason vs hate is your problem for 2000 years.
CHOSE REASON!!!
LIVE AND LET LIVE!!!

Ernie Cash

One day I'll have enough time to read this load of old tut.Inshallah! Until then please carry on making yourselves popular amongst the goyim. You know it makes sense!

Mooser

Well, he tried to warn you: Once our Jewish children get the idea that Gentiles are just as good as them, it's all over for us!
It is simply beyond me how any Jew (who was not a self-hater) could reject such a fundemental and absolutely necessary doctrine.
As my Mother once told me: "Yitzkok you'll never win an Olympic Swimming Gold Medal flailing around in a baptismal font!"

Mooser

"But Yoel, we've seen what happens if you leave the wound covered up as you suggest. It festers, and horrible things live in it."

Exactly! Arabs or Palestinians could get in there.

Mooser

"This kind of crap is why I am no longer frum."

I can't say as I blame you, boychik.
If the Orthodox are going to give up on the central tenets of our religion, and refuse to defend Jewish children from Gentile depredations, what's the use?
So where do you go from here, my friend. You might try the Mormons, or the Methodists. There's always Catholcism.
Like I say, I can't blame if liberal like here are going to tear the very heart out of our religion.
Darn it, if a Jew doesn't have a good sense of himself as a Jew, and as superior to the Gentiles, how youy gonna keep 'em down on the settlement?

Mooser

Isn't anybody here going to defend good solid jewish doctrine. That's it, go ahead and teach your children to respect Gentiles, next thing you know they will marry one, and you'll be invited to your grandchild's baptism before you know it! Such naches huh?
Well, as for me, I would die and take my whole family with me before I would let those, those, cattle get one of my children.
Just think of the future: Do you want the Jews mongrelised with Gentile blood even further?
I didn't think it would come to this, but it needs saying: you people are so bad you could be Reform! Sorry to say it, but there it is.

Cailen Cambeul

http://sacreator.com/blog/jews-hate-them-because-they-hate-you/

Frankie Weisse

And jews wonder why there's such a thing as "anti-semitism"!

I thought you people were supposed to be "smart"!

If a homeowner has a termite problem, and the termites object to the homeowner separating them from their meal, they'll call him an "anti-termite".

It's all a matter of Point of View.

When we Aryans have an infestation of Seemites, we're in the same position as the house owner confronting what to do about termites.

myriam

poor guy, having to exist in a human body in such a disturbed and ignorant state. he must be a tortured soul. maybe he should get his oxytocin levels checked out and live in peace and harmony with his fellow human beings?

SanMan

Yet they call us the hate mongers, jesus

Dave

After all of the lectures & laws forced upon us Goyim in the US on multi-culturalism, "press 1 for English", education, medical & welfare for illegals & their children & open border insanity by the ACLU & mostly Jewish judges, you Jews sit around & have the temerity to whine about being despised?.

Paul

So I suppose I should jump up and down and shout "anti-Goyite", but then as someone recently said, "That's a trick, we always use it".

Soleil

What a sad and pathetic state of mind. Ironically, these are the type of people so insulted and enraged by anti-Semitism they are the type of people always claiming to be victims of unjustified hate! If there is a return of anti-Semitism, the Jewish people can thank their right-wing politicians, and so-called "Spiritual leaders" like the rabbis above who teach this contemptuous trash.

BK

A similar attitude toward non-Jews can be found in the Tanya, the so-called bible of Chabad hasidic thought written by the first rebbe of Chabad, Schneur Zalman of Liadi, and reprinted thousands of times by Chabad worldwide.

Shmarya, could you clarify what is meant by 'a similar attitude'? I am familiar with the end of Chapter 1, which states: וכדאיתא בגמרא על פסוק: וחסד לאומים חטאת — שכל צדקה וחסד שאומות העולם עושין אינן אלא להתייהר כו׳

But I am not aware that the Tanya says that Jews must hate Gentiles.

Are you saying that one automatically leads to the other? Or that the Baal Hatanya says this explicitly? Please clarify.

Pearl of Wisdom

This kind of stuff has been floating around Ramapo for years. To see it in print is so shocking, especially because the Hasidim are in control of the public school Board of Education. Is this how they feel about the children whose education they control? Very, very disturbing! I feel sick. We have long heard that the Hasidim were predjudiced against people of color, but it goes much deeper than that.

Do all Hasidic sects think this way?

Pearl of Wisdom

This is breath taking in the year 22011. Are children actually taught to believe this stuff? It certainly explains a lot about what goes on in the Town of Ramapo.

Ayelet Hashar

Look at Rav Yehuda Hanasi & his best friend Antoninus. Remeber Rav Akiva, Shemaya & Avtalyon, Ruth the Moabite, Onkelous, all the peoples that have come to the Jewish fold. Have you seen our faces? Do we look like slavs,mediterranean, Yemenite, how is that we look so different from the Iraki (Babel) where Ahraham Avinu came from. The Jewish soul comes from the internal part of Adam, and the others from the external part say the Kabalah. Among the Goyim are former "Jewish Souls" (Spain, Germany massive convertions), that maybe the Palestinians today are the old Jews converted to Islam, and that frankly, God has given all a soul to live and better the world. Our rabbis are losing the connection to the people. I am confused because I do not find our Gedolei Hador.

Eva

I'm really amazed at those who want to shove this familial nastiness under the rug. "What will the goyim think?" "Anti-semities will take out their anger on us, who have done nothing."

I recall clearly in tehillim where it asks, "Do you indeed speak righteousness, you silent ones?"

For all you religious people, I thought there was nothing to fear if one walked uprightly? If you do not condemn it, you are a co-perpetrator in the filth. G-d will SURELY NOT PROTECT YOU then.

Adam Neira

Further comments...

If you want to inflame anger in the minds of non Jews this tack works every time. Being a light unto the nations does not imply racist supremacy. I believe in the idea of elitism in righteousness and wisdom and thus the people who have earnt these character traits should lead, but this is very different than the idea presented by this sect that the goy soul is inferior thus they can be treated a certain way. One can justify anything if resorting to this line of reasoning.

Running parallel to this is the the fact that some people are more suited to certain roles than others. Some people like being engineers, some people like being sportsmen. Horses for courses. This is not a contradiction of my above comments.

Sam The Man

This is the road and ultimate destination of Orthodoxy. They are not Nazis? Why not? Talbian, Nazis, Hasidim ... crazy is as crazy does. I am just glad that in my lifetime these evil people will not be able to make my life difficult. But the day will come when Jewish people all over the world will pay the price for their hatred, and they will deserve it for not destroying this evil cancer while they had a chance.

who knows

Skverers is a more benign type of nazis. They have added beards, and removed violence. Yes Skverers are better than nazis, but their ideology is poisonous and should be condemned.

David

This should be roundly condemned by any and all decent rabbis. We should make it clear that hatred of people based on their birth is wrong, and has nothing to do with Torah or Judaism.

Dov Ber

Ask a Halacha Sheilah!!

When we see a Goy Dropping an object, but no one else realized, do we Return it ti him (Hashovas Aveidu), or not??

When a goy makes an error in any financial Transaction, in a Yid's favor, do we make him aware of his error?

Do we desecrate the Shabbos to save the life of a Goyishe child?

Do we have to return loans that we loaned from a Goyishe person?

If our animal ditch damages the body or property of a Goyishe person, do we have to pay?

Dr. Dave

They even have some moronic teachers teach some of this crap in MO high schools causing kids of converts to wonder why they are dissing their loving gentile grandparents and relatives.

This is oppression of converts and leads to them leaving Judaism.

But of course what these morons preach is no Judaism that I recognize. it is one that violates Torah and Halacha!!

A. Nuran

skvere writes:

the pope ie, the chuch teaches that Jews are not really human therefore the admonition to not kill does not apply to killing Jews.

A complete and utter lie.

Other goyisha theologies teach that Jews have no spiritual worth because they do not accept jesus as their savior.

Another lie.

the muslims make no bones about hating us.

"the muslims"? The Turks who have gotten along well with Jews for hundreds of years? My Muslim neighbors? This is like saying "the jews" rape little boys in the mikveh.

Shmarya

what's the big deal. the pope ie, the chuch teaches that Jews are not really human therefore the admonition to not kill does not apply to killing Jews.

This is absolutely FALSE.

And past that, I love your justification for Skvere's racism and bigotry: "Some of the goyyim do it to us so we're no worse than those goyyim and what we do is therefore justified."


In other words: "Shmueli stole candy so I'm no worse than Shmueli and therefore my stealing is okay."

Are you really that stupid?

skvere

what's the big deal. the pope ie, the chuch teaches that Jews are not really human therefore the admonition to not kill does not apply to killing Jews. Other goyisha theologies teach that Jews have no spiritual worth because they do not accept jesus as their savior. the muslims make no bones about hating us. So now a Rabbi says yeah... well we feel the same about you that you do about us (accept that we don't try to kill or convert you) and you start getting you knickers in a knot!

Jeff

In the mid-1970's Lubavitch was much more benign than it is today.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | November 28, 2011 at 09:18 PM

So I've heard. CA (aka Chabadnik Attorney) has implied as much.

My nephew, who is 24 and has been in Chabad for about six years, left his MO day school at the beginning of his senior year and refuses to pursue a secular education. (They've lost three boys to Chabad in recent years - and it's Rav Soloveitchik's school. If he knew, he'd be spinning.) He did, thankfully, take one last course in summer school and got his diploma, but only because he promised them he would. I've pleaded with him to enroll in YU, but he claims the Rebbe forbade it (or at least strongly discouraged it). It's horribly frustrating.

The irony is that on the rare occasion he'll admit there's anything unpleasant going on in Chabad, he blames it on the BT's, yet he's one of them - and he's only willing to admit that the unpleasantness manifests as messianism and other related forms of fanaticism.

I think that decades ago, all of Orthodoxy was more benign. Those days are gone, and they aren't coming back. Avi Weiss and his students are trying to change that, but there's only a handful of them against so many.

Proton Soup

Nuran; i am not saying to cover it up. but between covering it up, and flaunting it there must be some intermediate more productive way. this forum does not seem to be fresh air, but rather another venue for these things to fester.

Posted by: Yoel Mechanic | November 28, 2011 at 11:27 PM

then print it in the New York Times. well, maybe not the NYT, since they tried to whitewash the Brooklyn bus segregation as some friendly "guidelines" rather than enforced rules.

Christian Science Monitor, maybe? i see Shmarya's got a couple of articles up at the Forward, too, so there's another venue, if less wide.

Michael from Lakewood

I wonder what Marshall Rosenberg would or could do with the material discussed in this thread. The following is worth a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dpk5Z7GIFs

I thank everyone here for their honesty.

Yoel Mechanic

Nuran; i am not saying to cover it up. but between covering it up, and flaunting it there must be some intermediate more productive way. this forum does not seem to be fresh air, but rather another venue for these things to fester.

A. Nuran

But Yoel, we've seen what happens if you leave the wound covered up as you suggest. It festers, and horrible things live in it.

Better to expose it to air and light and drain the corruption. It's painful but less so in the long run than the alternative.

Yoel Mechanic

This kind of crap is why I am no longer frum.
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I'm surprised it would have that effect

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That said, your publishing this stuff in English for all of the "evil" goyim to see can only help foster anti-semitism, which will affect ALL Jews, religious, secular, and everything in between.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 11:42 AM
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Agreed, Now someone above said that *most* goyim would be understanding about how fringe groups work, etc. But that is the key point: MOST will be understanding. But a few might not be so nice and understanding, and since Jews are generally such a small minority that when a small fraction of non-jews get irrational, that small fraction might be a rather large number to contend with.

Someone also accused Gevenser Chusid of covering things up. He is NOT covering anything up. He is merely saying that you do not have to go and flaunt this stuff in public. His heart is in the right place; why cause pain for someone?

Madhabmatics

Gevezener Chusid and others saying that revealing this sort of thing will only make people hate Jews more,

I used to moderate a very active Islamic chat room (being a Muslim myself :D) and this blog actually came in real handy for teaching people NOT to be anti-Semitic. We all have experiences with people from weird sects speaking up as though they represent our entire religion, and this blog is very helpful because it points out that it's not just a Christian experience or a Muslim experience, but an experience we all share in common.

When people like Shmyara point out that the same thing is happening in Judaism, it actually gets the empathy going because that's something we experience in our own religion. No longer can they say, "Oh, the Jews are doing this" or "the Jews say that" because the blogger makes it obvious that they don't speak for most Jewish people any more than a cleric in Saudi speaks for me or Pat Robertson speaks for an evangelical. We may believe different things, but we all share a common struggle getting the idiots in our faiths to stop doing dumb things. We're brothers in binds.

That being said, I also recommended people not read the comments because every time an article about something bad comes up, the comments are flooded with "how dare u talk bad about racists!" and insults directed towards the blogger. :P

Chicago Sam

Hey Wooly, we may know each other. Write me at sender12@aol.com

Chicago Sam

The Sqvare Rabbi is a real "square." He probably cites Chapter 2 of Tanya, which talks about the inferior gentile soul (sic).

Chabadniks are proud of that passage.

jancsipista.

WoolSilkCotton- you say here you are on fm, is that supposed to be good or bad?:)

ruthie

oh my g-d

WoolSilkCotton

Jeff, I was raised in a bizarro-orthodox home. My parents were Holocaust survivors with a lot of psychological issues- paranoia, constant fear, never laughed or even smiled, etc. Their religious practices were an extremely mixed bag of extreme observance of some things and quasi-observance of others.

In an effort to escape this, both physically and mentally, I joined the Lubavitch cult, which at least gave me some escape and religious direction. In the mid-1970's Lubavitch was much more benign than it is today.

Having had secular education all my life, high school and a BA from another college, I enrolled at LIU in one of their health-related professions programs.

Yada yada yada, I regained control of my life, got a sense of direction and purpose, realized the Lubavitch world was a nice place to visit but too backward and disconnected from reality, got a job, made peace with my parents, got married, went to medical school, and here I am on FailedMessiah.

NeverFrum

I've heard of earth-centric, and helio-centric views of the universe. The first was from lack of understanding science and hubris. The second is from enlightenment and growth of knowledgd as man matured.

Jew-centric is a new one for me. A whole group of people that believe that the universe revolves around them?

And you actually believe this?

Posted by: tonda | November 28, 2011 at 07:29 PM

You've obviously never been to the five towns.

seymour

A non Jew has a tzelem Elokim,created in the image of G-d. But a Jew has a much higher soul, but that means the higher you are the lower you can fall. The authentic view is ... EIN MAALIN VEEIN MORIDIN. We do not raise up nor do we downgrade the non Jew. Its like a work of nature but still a human being who has the potential to become a Jew. Do we knock trees. No, a tree has a purpose and most certainly a non Jew as well. But all of nature and all of the universe was created as background scenery for the chief actor, The Jew.

Posted by: JPACNYC.BLOGSPOT.COM | November 28, 2011 at 06:55 PM

what he is saying is nothing new it is taught in many yeshivas

tonda

Ethnocentrism is new to you?

Posted by: SkepticalYid

No, but the sarcasm tags don't work as well as the bold and italic ones do.

SkepticalYid

Ethnocentrism is new to you?

Jeff

In 1978, when I was still a Lubavitcher, I enrolled in a B.A. program at LIU

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | November 28, 2011 at 03:59 PM

How did you manage to pull that one off?

tonda

But all of nature and all of the universe was created as background scenery for the chief actor, The Jew.

I've heard of earth-centric, and helio-centric views of the universe. The first was from lack of understanding science and hubris. The second is from enlightenment and growth of knowledgd as man matured.

Jew-centric is a new one for me. A whole group of people that believe that the universe revolves around them?

And you actually believe this?

who knows

Jpacnyc is a pigfaced racist and it is shown in many of his comments on this blog.

He is kind of a mirror image of Tonda.

WoolSilkCotton

JPAC, you are psychotic.

Take your posting, and substitute the word 'Jew' for any other religion, and that is how religious fanatics of other religions view you.

There are hundreds of millions of people of other religions, and they say you are wrong and they are right.

You are indeed as dumb as the tree stump you compare the nonJews to.

jancsipista.

JPACNYC.BLOGSPOT.COM- and you really beleive that that we are the reason this world was created, well if you do then ill tell you that you are in a tottal fantasy that someone else created for you the chineese outnumber us a thousand to one and they dont claim any nonsense that they are it you need to be deprogrammed maybee then you will be able to think for youreself.

Adam Neira

Terrible stuff.

SkepticalYid

They're taught to hate all non-Jews? Most of NS is on some sort of state or federal assistance. I guess they don't hate them enough to turn down their hard-earned money.

JPACNYC.BLOGSPOT.COM

A non Jew has a tzelem Elokim,created in the image of G-d. But a Jew has a much higher soul, but that means the higher you are the lower you can fall. The authentic view is ... EIN MAALIN VEEIN MORIDIN. We do not raise up nor do we downgrade the non Jew. Its like a work of nature but still a human being who has the potential to become a Jew. Do we knock trees. No, a tree has a purpose and most certainly a non Jew as well. But all of nature and all of the universe was created as background scenery for the chief actor, The Jew.

Litvish

They were stupid to put their views in print and this site should not have publicized their stupidity.

Posted by: Zalman Alpert
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Well, at least we all agree they are stupid.

They are also writing what they believe and many frumiks often say; Frum Yidn are the crown and everyone else sucks.

And Amalek? That is straight from the holy writ.

The Koran has lots of hateful statements regarding Jews and other infidels.

The Pauline Gospels of the New Testament is filled with outright hate.

So why should these fundamentalists be any different.

Your real frustration is that Shmarya publicizes this on the web and everyone can now see what they wrote and teach.

I think it is great that the idiots that wrote this should get the publicity they deserve. I wish every hateful person would have their fifteen minutes of fame.

Why should the Westboro Church fundamentalist morons have all the attention? What about us Jews? Can't we have our share of hate, too?

Yay, for us.

Now we, too, have proved for the ten millionth time that we are just as scumy and worthless as the next guy ( next goy?).

Until we clean our own house we have no right to point fingers at others.

Do the tax payers of NY really want their hard earned money going to these leeches, these bench pressers, these criminals masquerading under the guise of holier-than-thou-niks?

Let the goyim see this and let them decide.

seymour

Posted by: Deremes | November 28, 2011 at 05:31 PM

I assume you are not denying that what I said is true and it does state that in the Torah?

and the way we define racism today, yes the Torah is a racist. But I look at from a different angle

(I do not hate the Torah, i do not believe that god wrote the Torah big difference)

i firmly believe that the Torah was a major step forward for humanity. From there we made more and more progress to a more humane and equal society.

If one looks at that time period and how civilization behaved the Torah was very enlightened but we moved beyond that. For example even thought it permitted slaves there where rules to there care and let them free if abused. that was most likely a novel and very progressive idea at that time. It did not cut off hands from thieves like the codes of Hammurabi. How to treat the poor and so on

that is fine if one says it was written by people , but if one says it was written by god, he could have just said No slaves period. or you believe in a cruel god


rebitzman

Nope not embarrassed at all im a very proud Jew.

One who inappropriately throws nazi references.

You are an embarrassment to anyone who calls themselves religious.

Yochanan Lavie

It is possible to legally get 3 passports. Some countries don't allow you to renounce citizenship, so if you move around you can become a triple citizen.

Deremes

Nope not embarrassed at all im a very proud Jew.
But since you are embarrassed and despise the Torah you hate those who follow the Torah and you also say that the Torah is a racist document a claim that Jews who converted to Christianity in past generations claimed.Therefore i say go and embrace your German comrades

WoolSilkCotton

How does a person legally get 3 passports, as advised by Waiting4Moshiach?

Can you be a citizen of 3 countries at the same time?

Oh yeah, key word is 'legally'.

What kind of  goyishe name is Harold z"l?

Seems to be all OK in the eyes of the law. Kiryas Joel can stay says a federal judge. Is everyone being paid off these days or do they just want us all in congregated communities with our 3 passports in hand for an easier kill? Waiting4Moshiach to fly me to China.

seymour

Posted by: Deremes | November 28, 2011 at 05:01 PM

you are cursing the Torah, not me


i did not make this up it says it clearly in the Torah and tanach

are you embarrassed by some stuff that is in the Torah

interesting

Deremes

when the Jews had the power they killed and had holy wars. Kill every man woman child and animal

Posted by: seymour | November 28, 2011 at 04:56 PM

sig heil

seymour

of course, they would never own up to such things, given that they have defined themselves spiritually as incapable of sinning against goyim. but we know that some were even going village to village inflicting violence on other jews. why would gentiles be immune to their iniquities, if even jews are not?

Posted by: Proton Soup | November 28, 2011 at 04:47 PM

if one is to believe the Torah and tanach

when the Jews had the power they killed and had holy wars. Kill every man woman child and animal

WoolSilkCotton

++jancsipista. | November 28, 2011 at 04:06 PM++

I believe that Jews were indeed slaves in Egypt, and eventually there was a rebellion and the Jews rioted and escaped.
The Torah version is embellished and filled with 'miracles' that could not have happened, or did happen to a lesser degree (such as plagues) and the story was embellished over the course of time, until it was written and blown into a wild story divorced from the reality of what must have happened.
The commentaries and the frumma blew it up even further, with crazy versions like saying that the Egyptians 'gave' them their possessions 'willingly'.

Of course, when i was at LIU, I was still under the mind control of the frumma velt, and I still believed the nonsense versions of every story.

Proton Soup

FailedMessaihnites are not 99% of the Jews. They are more of an eclectic group of people who for one reason or another are self hating and are a little confused as to who the real haters of the Jewish people and their religion are to be found.

The Skvere are in their own world, don't really give a sh-it about what FailedMessaih and its minions have to say. Their mistrust of the "Goyim" are the result of the lessons of history with the memories the pogroms of yesteryear. While it may be politically incorrect to say that the "Goyim" hate the Jews it will take a while before the message to the contrary filters down to these fundamentalists.

Posted by: p | November 28, 2011 at 03:36 PM

you say this is a reaction, but what if it is not a reaction? what if it was a cause? what if some people brought violence upon themselves because of their own actions?

of course, they would never own up to such things, given that they have defined themselves spiritually as incapable of sinning against goyim. but we know that some were even going village to village inflicting violence on other jews. why would gentiles be immune to their iniquities, if even jews are not?

Yochanan Lavie

Apologies to Sponge Bob:

Are you ready Yidden? "Oy, Oy Rebbe"
I Can't hear you "OY, OY REBBE"
Ohh...
Who lives in squalor in Rockland County
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
Acerbic and black hat and zealous is he
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
If fanatical nonsense be something you wish
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
Then flop in the shul and plotz like a knish
"Scroungebob Skverpants"
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A. Nuran

Mmmm, not quite. Yeshu bin Miryam the Haploid of Nazareth said that every good tree gives good fruit, and every evil tree gives evil fruit and that by their fruits you will know them. If the person's heart is bad it will show in his actions. If people are hateful bigots they won't be able to conceal it completely unless they are sociopathic manipulators. Is that really what Torah teaches us to be? If so, Judaism deserves to be eradicated root and branch.

flat earth

while Jews are akin to fire. Naturally, when fire and water mix the water extinguishes the fire. However, when there is an iron barrier between them, for example, water in a pot, then on the contrary, the fire cooks and evaporates the water. Similarly, if one has connections to a gentile the gentile can, God forbid, extinguish the fire in the soul.

I guess arsonist Spitzer absorbed a lot of this crap.

Gevezener Chusid

In other words, a Jew should always strive to be a two-faced lying hypocrite.

"Light unto the nations" my green and warty ass.

Posted by: A. Nuran | November 28, 2011 at 04:04 PM

Even Jesus said that you can recognize the tree by its fruits.... what a person is thinking inside is not so relevant as long as he behaves appropriately.

seymour

for all that say the skver rebbie is only calling to hate in their heart but take no action are very naive to think that this will not lead to hateful actions

if one reads history books the hatred of the Jews in Germany ( i just pick this example since i have read many books on it) did not happen overnight and did not start with Hitler and or the Nazis it manifest itself oven many generation. Jew are different not because of religion by because of blood was a common believe way before the Nazis came into power read "Ideology of Death: Why the Holocaust Happened in Germany" In addition one can see the countries where the public enthusiastically help the Nazis had underlining antisemitism but maybe no major action before the nazis came to power but when they had a chance the hate gave them an excuse to act.

as opposed to countries like Italy, Denmark where there was no underling major antisemitism, most of the public did not buy the nazi nonsense even with the all might nazi propaganda

My guess would be in other cases of mass murder ethnic cleansing and so on, only happens in areas where talk like the skver rebbie said but about others was going on for a few generations.

evil and getting people do do evil to other groups only comes after the masses are convinced that the other is less than you, not as humane do not have a soul or whatever.

this is why what the Skver moron says is so dangerous. It can only lead to bad things. while the skver do not have the power to inflict major damage, we can see that it has infiltrated the minds of some frummas as we see how they treat their goyish workers and would never think of treat a Jewish worker that way

of course one good example is smr who follows chabbad and of course we all know what the tanya says about goyim

RightJew

Zalman Alpert-

There's simply no excuse for the abominable ignorance of Jewish peasants promoting twisted anti-Torah ideologies like the book above.

On the holiest day of the Jewish year, Yom Kippur, Jews read the book of Yonah describing the repentance of a large NON-JEWISH city, ie on the holiest day of the year the Torah is teaching a lesson to Jews learned from the behavior of NON-JEWS.

A. Nuran

All the woman-oppressing, goy-hating, thieving black hats:

It doesn't look good for the Jews when this gets published in English. But look over there! The Muslims hate us! So it's O.K. for us to be vile bigoted pieces of shit!

Sorry, guys. It doesn't work that way. If you want to pat yourselves on the back for being holier than everyone else in the world you have to be just a little better than them. Hell, by your own standards the Muslims are better than we are. They only hate the Jews. We are supposed to hate everyone except Jews of our mesorah.

tonda

Tonda, it is not disagreement with this book that makes you an anti-semite, but your tireless work on spreading of the worst anti-semitic myths all over the internet.

Posted by: who knows

[citation needed]

How about a little more than just empty accusations. What myths? What sites? Care to share a link, or is one simply guilty by accusation?

How about this. I accuse YOU of giving false testimony (576).

jancsipista.

WoolSilkCotton- may i ask do you really buy into the story of yetziath mitzrayim do you really think that the jews did all that or the whole story is not fabricated to glorify ones self.?

A. Nuran

Gevezener Chusid writes:

and in all fairness, according to the Yiddish text, the "hate" is supposed to be in one's heart alone but in one's dealings with others, one should speak in a respectful tone (redn vi a mentsh) and certainly not manifest itself with negative behavior against the non Jew

In other words, a Jew should always strive to be a two-faced lying hypocrite.

"Light unto the nations" my green and warty ass.

Deremes

WoolSilkCotton,
Are all secular Jews like Madoff/Michael Milken/Ivan Boesky/the pervert Anthony Weiner/Barney Frank/Fred Neulander?
of course not.
The frumma the frumma the frumma. All the frumma? some frumma? most frumma?

WoolSilkCotton

++just as the Jews "borrowed" the wealth of their Egyptian "friends" and brought it out of Egypt with them, to liberate it from the bondage of evil that Egypt represented...++
++Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 03:21 PM++

In 1978, when I was still a Lubavitcher, I enrolled in a B.A. program at LIU (downtown Brooklyn campus). I took a literature course, and when the topic of biblical stories came up, the instructor read from the Exodus from Egypt.
He mentioned that passage, and said it was looting by the slaves, in what must have been mass rioting that broke out as the slaves were escaping.
Silly me, I raised my hand and gave the frum explanation of "...they were liberating the wealth from the Egyptians and bringing it into the realm of holiness; the Egyptians gave them their possessions willingly..."
The entire class burst out laughing at me. Even some MO guys in the class looked at me and rolled their eyes.

That was an early sign to me that there was something wrong with my perspective.

Bas Melech

Posted by: itchiemayer | November 28, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Good post, Itchiemayer.

I thought that we were only supposed to hate Amalek.

Who are the righteous gentiles?

What about all the gentiles who save Jews? What about Batya who saved Moshe Rabbeinu?
What about the goyim who saved Jews since then? WWII?

In my personal life, I've seen more evil from Jews than non Jews.

Many times a Jew instigated goyim against us.

The Skvere reasoning seems like a way of manipulating followers to reject even positive ideas of the goyim that are permitted.

who knows

Tonda, it is not disagreement with this book that makes you an anti-semite, but your tireless work on spreading of the worst anti-semitic myths all over the internet.

jancsipista.

Zalman Alpert- The Skverer are not really aware of the new ethos of the US and that the Goyim here are not out to get the Jews. It will take them time to understand this.
You cant be serious are you really that much removed from reality how long will it take them to realize that they not in the old world in ukrain or whatever other european country,to me it looks like if we dont have enemies create one thats what it amounts to dont they realize that because of the kindness of the goyim they are able to live so confortebly they are breaking the hand that feeds them

who knows

As a Jew, I'm deeply offended by this book. The authors, promoters and teachers of this crap must be imprisoned.

I don't believe either in Jewish superiority or Jewish inferiority.

WoolSilkCotton

++Deremes | November 28, 2011 at 03:09 PM++

If the frumma converted to Judaism, and practiced the 613 mitzvahs, especially the ones about not lying, cheating, and stealing, it would be a good start towards observing a 'new religion' for them.

Barry

Deremes. There is no reason to convert.

You will find hate filled nonsense in Christian religious text from the 16th century. What one must do is not bring that way of thinking into the 21st century. Christians and Jews in the West have dropped the most offensive aspects of the old religion without converting and it is time for the backward Jews of Romania and Ukraine to be made to embrace more enlightened values.

To suggest that somehow hating someone in one's heart without manifesting that hatred is somehow moral is ridiculous. The reason why these medieval rabbis did not wish this hatred to be manifested was because they feared the consequences of doing so. You should not confuse cowardice with morality.

In Robert Weinberg book "Stalin's Forgotten Zion: Birobidzhan and the Making of a Soviet Jewish Homeland" mention is made of a Soviet propaganda poster from 1928 that argues that the kheder produces a slavish attitude and leads to undesirable consequences such as religious observance and practice, enmity among peoples, and petty commerce. In contrast, the Soviet school prepares healthy people, capable of building a socialist society in which agricultural labor, factory work, and amity among peoples are primary objectives. The Yiddish reads: ""The old school produced slaves; the Soviet school prepares healthy, skilled workers who are builders of the socialist order. The kheder (left) leads to the shop, synagogue and hatred between peoples. The Soviet school (right) leads to the factory, land, and unity between peoples.

http://www.swarthmore.edu/Home/News/biro/html/panel05.html

It seems that the soviets may have had a point.

Zalman Alpert

By definition the Jews of New Square live isolated lives. Their idea of the Goy is based on the Goy of East Europe and truth be told they are not far from the mark there. Witness the events of the Holocaust and the popular cooperation in the German destruction of the Jews.These peopel were not animals , they were worse.
Before we start a cheer leading campaign for the Christian world lets not forget about the Holocaust and the response from even our frineds like FDR and friendly states like Holland, Switzerland etc.
The Skverer are not really aware of the new ethos of the US and that the Goyim here are not out to get the Jews. It will take them time to understand this.
The texts of the Skverer community are from the 18th- cntury to 1939 and that informs their portrait of goyim. Persecutions, Pogroms, the destruction of Ukranian Jewry betwen 1918-1921 (Petluria) and then Communism and finally the Nazis.
I think any sensitive person can realize why the Skverer can buy into this sort of thinking. I bet many survivors in 1945 felt the same way, and I bet many Israelis think along similar lines tough on a secualr basis.
They were stupid to put their views in print and this site should not have publicized their stupidity.

seymour

FailedMessaihnites are not 99% of the Jews. They are more of an eclectic group of people who for one reason or another are self hating and are a little confused as to who the real haters of the Jewish people and their religion are to be found.

Posted by: p | November 28, 2011 at 03:36 PM

maybe not maybe yes but it will show who ever comes here that very few Jews actually agree with this hate and nonsense.

Then again if you feel and act in a way that everybody hates you, that is exactly what will happen

self fulfilling prophecy

RightJew

The insane rantings in the so-called Jewish book above have no source in authentic Judaism.

As mentioned in the Wikipedia article
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Judah_the_Prince

The Talmud mentions how Rabbi Judah the Prince, undoubtedly one of the greatest rabbis of all times, "had a close friendship with Antoninus, possibly the Emperor Antoninus Pius". Rabbi Judah also told Antoninus that he had a share in the world to come.

Antoninus was without a doubt a non-Jew, which utterly refutes the disgusting lies referenced in the book (assuming the book excerpts above are real).

seymour

I'm not kidding... they really WILL tell you this... well they might NOT tell YOU, actually, but that's what they tell each other to rationalize their larceny.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | November 28, 2011 at 03:21 PM

when I was in yeshiva and they asked me to sign papers so they can rip of the government. I refused to sign

when they asked me why, I said first it is stealing and anyway if i was to sign to steal money I want the money

they he said we need it and anyway the money will only go to further Torah studies and it is needed (what you said more or less)

I said no, your yeshiva may need it to survive Torah will survive do not worry


then he tried his last tactic, don't you see everybody else does it the goyim do it (interesting I thought we are supposed to be better than they are only they do stuff like that)

I love that one, I got up and said I am going to movie he said a ben torah how could you.

I said goyim do it why not me

bottom line they are full of it and will argue they are better than goyim and goyim are bad, but when it suites their needs stealing money from the government then they claim the goyim we can do it.

Unfortunately, this hypocrisy is all to common in ultra frum yeshivas

If they are so righteous and good why are they lying to get government grants, and if that is the only way they can survive, does it make sense to them that god would want then to live a certain way that can only survive with lying and cheating.

what type of god it that?

p

I disagree by publishing it here and seeing all the negative comments shows that 99.99% of jews thing this is nonsense and hate speech. and think the the skver rebbie is a very little hateful man

Posted by: seymour | November 28, 2011 at 01:06 PM

FailedMessaihnites are not 99% of the Jews. They are more of an eclectic group of people who for one reason or another are self hating and are a little confused as to who the real haters of the Jewish people and their religion are to be found.

The Skvere are in their own world, don't really give a sh-it about what FailedMessaih and its minions have to say. Their mistrust of the "Goyim" are the result of the lessons of history with the memories the pogroms of yesteryear. While it may be politically incorrect to say that the "Goyim" hate the Jews it will take a while before the message to the contrary filters down to these fundamentalists.

Teddy

I meant, How well will this sell...

Teddy

Just wondering, how well wis this sell in Farsi? Arabic?

Tom Stedham

I'm speechless on this one... Wow.

Shlomo

this is neither new or limited to this freaks. It is common knowledge that zionist supremacist ideology is based on the hatred of anyone not a zionist supremacist. similar to nazi ideology.
Just read Gilad Atzmon's book, the wondering who? He describes the tribal ethics used to identify as a zionist supremacist very well.

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