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November 27, 2011

Chabad Rabbis Say We Will Support Politicians In Return For Politicians' Support Of Convicted Felon Sholom Rubashkin

Rubashkin closeupMeeting during the international convention of Chabad rabbis held in Crown Heights, Brooklyn, Chabad rabbis talk about freeing convicted felon Sholom Rubashkin, and say that of politicians want our support, they will have to help Rubashkin to get it.

Rubashkin closeup
Rabbi Sholom Rubashkin

Chabad To Politicians: If You Want Our Support And Access To Our Members, You’ll Have To Pressure The Department of Justice And The White House on Behalf Of Convicted Felon Sholom Rubashkin To Get It
Shmarya Rosenberg • FailedMessiah.com

Is Chabad breaking the law?

What you'll see below are two brief videos shot today in Crown Heights.

Chabad-Lubavitch is holding its International Conference of Shluchim (official Chabad representatives) in Crown Heights. A meeting was held during that convention and attended by approximately 50 Chabad shluchim from across the US. It was held in a classroom of Oholei Menachem, the school started by the late Chabad-Lubavitch Rebbe Menachem Mendel Schneerson, located at 667 Eastern Parkway. It featured convicted felon Sholom Rubashkin's lead attorney Nathan Lewin.

The meeting took place at the same time and in the same building as a resource fair that is an official part of the convention but which features "outside" vendors who pay for space to display their products.

However this meeting was not held in the same room as the resource fair and does not appear to have been an official part of it.

Instead, the meeting was held in classroom located on a floor above the resource fair, and it was attended by Chabad shluchim from across the country.

Rubashkin, the former VP of Agriprocessors and a leading member of the Chabad community, was convicted on 86 felony counts of bank fraud and related crimes in 2009. His appeal and his subsequent request for an en banc hearing were denied. His legal team is currently preparing to appeal to the US Supreme Court.

The meeting was meant to update Chabad shluchim on the Rubashkin case and to coordinate political efforts by those shluchim to obtain Rubashkin's release.

In the first video, you'll hear a Chabad rabbi address the meeting and say that at first, Rubashkin's Chabad advocates had trouble getting congresspeople to exert pressure for Rubashkin. But because we're now in election season these congresspeople are now contacting Chabad shluchim and asking to speak in Chabad Houses and Chabad Synagogues. (He cites a couple of examples of Chabad shluchim so contacted, one of them Rabbi Reuvi New of Chabad of East Boca.) And then he says that we have to tell those congresspeople that supporting Rubashkin is necessary if the congresspeople want Chabad's support.

By law, religious organizations can not take sides in elections. They can not support candidates.

They also can't do what these Chabad shluchim are trying to do – using access to their congregations and photo ops with religious leaders as a quid pro quo granted to politicians in return for specific political favors. (I.e., things like: "I'll let you speak at my synagogue, I'll hook you up with wealthy donors and I'll pose for pictures with you and publicize them – but I'll do all this only if you get me government money. But if you don't try hard to get me that money, I won't let you speak to my membership and I won't do anything to support your reelection. I'll deny you access to my members or schedule you when the fewest number of people will attend. And I won't introduce you to any wealthy potential donors.")

It seems to me that Chabad should lose its tax exempt status for doing this.

 

 

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quid pro quo ... are u f%^%n nuts.??? thats what ALL politicians deal in. legal or not

i think congress should loose its tax benefits. they are the biggest crooks

It seems to me that Chabad should lose its tax exempt status for doing this.

Agreed.

Those are the rules, that is the law, but given the general over involvement of the religious right in the political process without consequence...............

I shot these videos. They weren't clandestine. I had my phone up the whole time.
The overwhelming theme of the conversation was frustration. The rabbis feel that they have hit a wall, and they are not sure what to do to free Sholom. They were also concerned that Sholom's portrayal in the media is that he is a criminal and they wanted to get editorials published to change this perception.

I think Chabad is going about this wrong. They should offer to pay back the money and do good deeds to free Sholom. If they teamed up with say the dalai lama and supported freedom for Nepal openly they would have greater moral influence over congressman then if they pressured him behind closed doors.

Another possible way they could have moral influence over elected officials is to help undocumented immigrants. If Chabad worked towards preventing the incarceration of undocumented refugees their opinions regarding unjust incarceration would carry greater moral weight.

Gambling in this establishment?

Baruch, great work exposing this.

Fighting this in Congress, fighting this in the media, I mean it likes whacking off too a decent porno, sure, you get your rocks off, but is it really comparable to a good old fashioned hair pulling romp? Hardly.

If this can't be won in the courts, it cannot be won. The media won't set Rubashkin free. And if all of Congress wrote letters it wouldn't help.

All he can hope for now is a commutation or pardon, and it will not come from Obama. If Obama wins re-election you can be sure Rubashkin sits into the new President's term, and if that President gets re-elected that's 12 years before this can be looked at seriously. HOWEVER, with no remorse, no restitution and the chabad media machine giving the DOJ the groiseh middle finger, ironically, CHABAD IS KEEPING RUBASHKIN IN JAIL. They are not helping him one iota.

In fact, do not be surprised if chabad will not make a real effort until the old man Aaron is six feet under. Because he's the Don Corleone in all this. If his ainikele Getzel was on fire Aaron wouldn't piss on him. Make no mistake, Shulem Merdche took the fall for his brothers and his pappy. These fuckers invented screwing people.

Perhaps rubashkin was sentenced to 27 years as a punishment for hiring a corrupt lawyer like nat lewin yemach shemoh v'zichro

Nat lewin yemach shemoh lied in beis din and paid a group of dominican prostitutes to sign false affidavits on behalf of his client moses gruenfield the thief and owner of dollarphone a service that rips off immigrants and paid millions of dollars in fines to the FTC

Nat Lewin must immediately be disbarred.

Politicians will write standard letters that the recipients (judges, DOJ, etc.) know are meaningless drek meant to please the constituents.

And the frumma will get all excited, look, Congressman So-and-So wrote this letter, blah blah blah, but everyone outside of the Chabad Kool-Aid Center knows that these letters are meaningless drek.

@Baruch

A mitzvah s supposed to be done for the sake of loam HaRah, without thought of reward - or Shalom Rubashkin.

That said. Thank you for sharing the videos.

Perhaps rubashkin was sentenced to 27 years as a punishment for hiring a corrupt lawyer like nat lewin yemach shemoh v'zichro…

Posted by: JJ | November 27, 2011 at 09:32 PM

Lewin is a disgusting person and I've written several times that he should be sanctioned or disbarred.

But writing "yemach shemoh v'zichro" after his name is way over the line.

It is disgusting. It is inappropriate. And I won't tolerate it.

Do not do it again.

These rabbis don't seem to grasp that this is not the same as trying to get financial assistance for their areas or a traffic light installed. While politicians may be able to help with some things, getting people out of jail is another matter.

Fart, can you try to get your point across sans the pornographic references? Keep your sick fantasies (cuz that's all you probably have) to your perverted little mind.

Remember that Israeli Arab that was Rubashkin's foreman that is waiting to be extradited? [forgot his name]

That sucker would make the perfect 'singing canary' to get a good deal

Sticker ol'Rubi with another 27 years maybe even go after others

Most of the men in that room are not bad people. On the contrary, most spend their day trying to do mitzvot. On the other hand, I do feel Nat Lewin knows exactly what he is doing. He knows Sholom has no chance of being freed, yet he continues to exaggerate his Washington connections to continue to tap into Chabad fundraising to pay hia legal bills as well as to attempt to get his name out there to hook other orthodox white collar criminals as clients.

Shmarya -

I refuse to retract or apologize for what i said about nat lewin.

Nat lewin has done more damage to the jewish nation than hitler. Therefore nat lewin is worse than hitler.

nat lewin must be disbarred. He must be arrested for filing false affidavits in court and paying dominican women to sign these false affidavits.

video evidence can be shown to prove nat lewin paid these girls to lie in court in order to protect his filthy thief satmar gangster client named moses gruenfield .

and by the way , the satmar rebbe drinks from a silver kiddush cup that was donated by the thief moses gruenfield. The kiddush cup was purchased with money stolen from hard working immigrants by moses gruenfield.

the satmar rebbe must sell this kiddush cup and use the money to benefit the victims of moses gruenfeld.

jj, youre out of your mind.

Posted by: JJ | November 27, 2011 at 10:44 PM

The thing is, JJ, I've posted about all of those things.

But to say Lewin is worse than Hitler is insane.

And to wish him dead is sick.

Stop doing it.

I don't think Nat lewin has caused more damage than hitler. I think that's a crazy exxageration. It diminishes the rest of your statements, no matter how factual or accurate they are.

shmarya-

now you are exaggerating... I never wished nat lewin dead. I wish nat lewin turns himself in to the district attorney and admits to his crimes.

I wish he pays restitution to the victims of his lies and to the victims of moses gruenfeld.

and finally, I hope nat lewin goes to prison for his crimes against humantity.

"The thing is, JJ, I've posted about all of those things.

But to say Lewin is worse than Hitler is insane.

And to wish him dead is sick.

Stop doing it.

Posted by: Shmarya | November 27, 2011 at 10:59 PM "

To quote a saying that's attributed to a famous Nazi: "a lie told frequently enough will eventually be believed."

Yemach Shemo Vizichro does not, and has never meant that someone was Hitler, or worse than Hitler. You made that up in the past here on this blog, and now you seem to believe it yourself. The term has existed since way before Hitler, and has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler except that it's too good for him.

I wonder how many deaths moses gruenfeld is responsible for... Immigrants work very hard for their money. They often need to use their hard earned money to buy food , clothing, shelter, and medicine for their families.

every time dollarphone sold a fake calling card and ripped off an immigrant , moses gruenfeld took food and medicine out of the mouths of the needy

if the satmar rebbe continues to drink wine from a kiddush cup bought with stolen blood money by moses gruenfeld , then the satmar rebbe is obviously agreeing with moses gruenfeld.

therefore , I denounce and condemn the satmar rebbe and all of his constituents.

according to the toirah moses gruenfeld has the din of a roidef. He is a murderer and he is chayav meesah

Comparing nat lewin to hitler by using the yemach shemo is as stupid as using the term for linda reade, and if you insist on usingit you're a fucking retard, and my apology up front to retards everywhere.

COVERING JEWISH NEWS???
What about the kinus ?????
Shmuckya doesn't want anyone to be inspired or see the power and greatness of Chabad. You can check VIN, collive etc

It seems to me that Most trifoliate orgs. Support candidates albeit not openly. That's politics.
Why the hell are they asking Chabad people to come if it's illegal.
Because they want their unofficial help.

…Yemach Shemo Vizichro does not, and has never meant that someone was Hitler, or worse than Hitler. You made that up in the past here on this blog, and now you seem to believe it yourself. The term has existed since way before Hitler, and has absolutely nothing to do with Hitler except that it's too good for him.

Posted by: abcdef | November 28, 2011 at 12:12 AM

I've noted before that you have a reading comprehension problem.

If you read JJ's comment that I was RESPONDING to, you'll see the following:Nat lewin has done more damage to the jewish nation than hitler. Therefore nat lewin is worse than hitler.

Past that, your disingenuousness and your ignorance is appalling.

The phrase "Yemach Shemo Vizichro" has always been reserved to used as a curse said about the worst antisemites, people who sought to kill huge numbers of Jews.

The paradigm is the biblical Haman. The most recent example is Hitler and his followers, ys"v.

When the curse was said about Hitler in 1942, it meant that he should be killed or drop dead, and that his name and memory should be wiped out.

When it was said about Hitler in 2002, it meant that his name and his memory should be wiped out.

Even though you don't understand this, even though you don't grasp that saying it about a living person is asking for that person's death, that is exactly what it means.

And no amount of further stupidity from you, no amount of further ignorance or meeskeit will change that.

You are a profoundly ignorant person.

And it's long past the time that you should have understood that.

according to the toirah moses gruenfeld has the din of a roidef. He is a murderer and he is chayav meesah

Posted by: JJ | November 28, 2011 at 12:27 AM

No he is not.

He's an evil man who stole from poor non-Jews and used the money to aggrandize himself and his rebbe.

But he is *NOT* a rodef. He is *NOT* a murderer. And he is *NOT* hayyav meeta.

Sholom has behaved like a loyal member of a crime family. He was caught, he took the rap, and didn't give up anybody else. He probably could have gotten off with a few years if he'd cooperated with the Feds, given up Aaron R., and helped them get Levi Zeev back from Israel. But he didn't.

Mafia types used to be admired for that. Then the sentencing guidelines changed and sentences got longer. Button men started talking when 5 year sentences became 20 years, and that's part of what helped Guliani take the New York Mafia families down.

The Chabad attempts to get Sholom off are reminiscent of the Italian-American Civil Rights League of the early 1970s, organized by Mafia don Joseph Colombo. At peak, they had 50,000 members, including Nelson Rockefeller and John Linsay. Many good people were deceived into supporting the IACRL, not realizing it was a front for organized crime.

The major problem in chasiut is much of its theology comes from Shabatai Zvi. Much of his world view was accepted into hasidut and especially the chasidut in question here.
And people's actions follow from their world view. For example a Reform Jew is likely at many points in his life to support Israel with a monetary contribution. A religious Muslim is likely to on a pilgrimage once in his life. This is the same here. Once the basic philosophy of Chasidut came from Shabatai Zvi the rest follows automatically.

Posted by: Baruch | November 27, 2011 at 08:54 PM

your ideas are great how chabbad can help SMR, but flawed

chabbad does not care about goyim at all all they care about is their own, they simply cannot imagine to help goyim even if it means helping themselves. Example, the way the petition was writtion

either because of hatred or because they are so self centered.

remember the whole universe was created only for them and Torah learning

Adam, which part of chasidus is similar to Shabtai Tzvi? The converting to Islam?

Another possible way they could have moral influence over elected officials is to help undocumented immigrants. If Chabad worked towards preventing the incarceration of undocumented refugees their opinions regarding unjust incarceration would carry greater moral weight.

Posted by: Baruch | November 27, 2011 at 09:00 PM

true

they or the R family good make do, and say we admit no guilt but maybe some errors did occur therefore we will pay all back wages and as Jews that always feel we should follow the Torah we will donate twice or three times that amount whatever the halacha is for stealing wages, to a charity (chabad does not count) that helps immigrants or an organization that helps victim of abuse by employers.

That will and would have helped SMR much more than all the nonsense that they are doing. The way they are doing it, making it like a pogrom, or simply because he is a yid, is just making the government dig in their heels not to give in an inch.

From the posting from Seymour

"""chabbad does not care about goyim at all"""

Tanya which is holy to Chabad teaches that non-Jews are not human but rather sub-human.

Does that some similar to some other group?

Posted by: Isa | November 28, 2011 at 07:10 AM

not as blatant or extreme but yes.

remember the torah does allow people to be property but only non Jews. and if one belives that god wrote it , nothing more needs to be said

however, if one believes people wrote one can say it was a start to be better or more humane since the Torah did have rules not to abuse slaves which in a way was a step forward. it might sound barbaric to us today, but was enlighten to the people of that time

those morons are agagites.

the crown heights convention, is atzas reshoeem, and moyshov leitzeem.

Adam, which part of chasidus is similar to Shabtai Tzvi? The converting to Islam?

actually, UHL they are worse.
having invented a new renegade religion that has nothing to do with judaism.

++Baruch | November 27, 2011 at 10:40 PM++

That is an excellent analysis.

Nate Lewin has accomplished nothing on behalf of Rubashkin and Agriprocessors.

Look at the archives of letters and legal actions between PETA/USDA vs. Agriprocessors. Nate Lewin fell flat on his face. A couple of volunteer lawyers from PETA danced circles around the big shot Washington lawyer Lewin and his almighty law firm.

http://www.peta.org/features/AgriProcessors-key-documents.aspx

And what did he accomplish for SMR in the big federal case that resulted in the 27 year sentence?
He had a chance at a plea deal. They offered 12 years; it could have been negotiated down even further, offering money, donations to local causes, and other creative ways to make restitution. So SMR wanted to go to trial? If Lewin was truly a friend and not just his attorney, he would have grabbed SMR by the lapels and shaken some sense into him. A lawyer who is your friend and genuinely cares about you will do that. He is, by profession, an expert at persuading people to his viewpoint; but he couldn't persuade SMR into a more sensible course of action in handling the case?

In summary, ladies and gentlemen of the FM jury, Lewin is incompetent, as proven by his handling of this case. He is also a liar and a thief, still banging the drum for mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, giving the frumma sheep false hope.

In summary, ladies and gentlemen of the FM jury, Lewin is incompetent, as proven by his handling of this case. He is also a liar and a thief, still banging the drum for mo' money, mo' money, mo' money, giving the frumma sheep false hope.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | November 28, 2011 at 08:47 AM

maybe not, remember a lawyer can advice a client what to do but maybe SMR did not take his advice and said fight to the end

just saying

nat lewin and moses gruenfeld are both subhumans .

they openly steal from poor immigrants .

when the victims realize it was so called orthodox jews that raped and plundered their villages they in turn blame the jews for their pain and suffering.

then they go out and cause random acts of violence against innocent jews who have done nothing wrong.

we must stop moses gruenfeld and nat lewin from causing more tragedies in our community.

do not do business with them , and urinate in their food .

If Al Sharpton would be found guilty of crimes "X,Y and Z" and is jailed for 27 years. Would many people be surprised if many black organizations would tell prospective political players that to obtain their support that they have to help the ongoing effort to get Mr Shapton released?

Seymour, that is true. A lawyer is only obligated to advise you; he cannot force you to take his advice. If you insist on a trial, he will do it.
However, if I am a professional and at the same time I am giving advice to a "brother", i.e. someone I feel close to and I truly care about, then i will sit him down in a private room and not let him out until I have persuaded him to take the advice that I know is best. I need to save him from himself.
I, as a doctor, have had such talks with stubborn friends and family who did not want to do what was medically right.

Lawyers know that going to trial is very risky, even when the facts are on your side. How much more so when the facts are not on your side, or your case is weak.
Just as a doctor knows the percentages of your prognosis when faced with a serious illness, and what treatments will give what prognosis, so do lawyers with serious legal cases.

Lewin knew that SMR didn't stand a chance at trial. Only a plea bargain would keep the jail time to a minimum. But going to trial is very expensive and very profitable for Lewin, and that's all that truly mattered to Lewin.

Chabad always makes a point that they support SMR because he is a "brother", all Chabad is like one family that has to look out for one another, etc., even when one of them gets in serious legal trouble. I can sort of understand that viewpoint.
But when my "brother" get into serious legal trouble, I would tell him to find a good lawyer and to take that lawyer's advice. If the lawyer says "settle", then "settle".
If I am hiring a lawyer with a yarmulke who has a reputation for defending orthodox religious causes, that's great, but I am counting on that lawyer to treat me- the client- as more than just a client. Give me the same advice you would to your brother. And if I don't want to take it, please convince me for my own good.

Lewin failed to do so. He is no "brother". It's just business to him.

Posted by: p | November 28, 2011 at 10:04 AM

many black might be very happy in al gets his do

"...If Al Sharpton would be found guilty of crimes "X,Y and Z" and is jailed for 27 years..."

Let me just savor that thought for a few moments....ahhhhhhh......

P, do you remember when Senator Al D'Amato tried to intervene on behalf of some mafia thug? There was a huge uproar in the media.

D'Amato's office called the senator's intervention a "constituent service".

Two questions I'd like someone to clarify:

1. What exactly would they like the politicians to do to help Sholom? Short of giving him a pardon or commuting his sentence, isn't the matter out of the legislature's (and politicians') hands at this point?

2. Please point me to the laws which you refer. I'm not familiar with the laws in question. However, I'd suspect religious organizations can lobby politicians over issues, even if they can't endorse candidates. For example, the catholic church can (and does) lobby politicians against passing pro-abortion bills. Yes, Chabad may be going further than this, so please point me to the law.

For example And then he says that we have to tell those congresspeople that supporting Rubashkin is necessary if the congresspeople want Chabad's support. doesn't sound like endorsing a particular candidate, just an issue.

Here's a memo to Chabad. Hey guys, the ball game is over. Your buddy Sholom Mordechai has been convicted and sentenced. There is no chance in a million that the Supreme Court will agree to hear his appeal. So it doesn't matter if you get support from every politician in Washington, various state assemblies and a variety of local office holders. To quote a Yiddish expression "S wert im helfen wie a toten bankus". Just look at what's happened with Jonathan Pollard. Just about everybody who's anybody has come out in favor his parole and 26 years later, he's still sitting in jail.

If Al Sharpton would be found guilty of crimes "X,Y and Z" and is jailed for 27 years. Would many people be surprised if many black organizations would tell prospective political players that to obtain their support that they have to help the ongoing effort to get Mr Shapton released? Posted by: p |

oh! yeah! this is ba lelammed that there is little difference if any between sharpton, rubashkin & co...

The only defense Chabad has nowadays is "we are just like black criminals, so give us a break".

I was surprised to read comments to the effect that Lewin did not do enough to dissuade Rubashkin from going to trial. As I recall, Lewin was not trial counsel. He was counsel on the appeal.

And while I don't like the way that Lewin advocated for Rubashkin, the fact is that Lewin needed to play the cards he was dealt, and those cards were pretty poor. So Lewin did his job as best he could, and lost (as well he should have). Which, if you think about it, is exactly the way things are supposed to work.

JJ,it seems that Doolarphone is a fierce competition of yours or your a distraught fired employee.


Now about the term Yemach Shemo what it really means and what it means on FM:

It is one of the worst curses it can be used.
But it is not and was not used only on people who sought to kill huge numbers of Jews.
The Rmabam used the term on the tzadoikikim and the bracha of V'la-mal-shi-nim was made for those people and they were not killers of Jews. It was also used on false messiahs and against many people who the gadolim in that time felt it is necessary. But all those people were not killer of Jews.
And not like it was first defined on FM when some lunatics said y's on a gadol and people got fooled by FM that they called for his killing.
Then when Lubavitch wrote y's on Judge Reade the heading or the article here on FM didn't mention at all that Lubavitch called for the killing of the judge but explained why she is not hitler.Change of tune and i wonder why.

So again, Yemoch Shemo is an ugly term to use and the worst curse. But it does not mean to kill that person and it does not mean to compare that person to haman or to hitler yemoch shemo.

Mark,
Lewin was Rubashkin's lawyer back when the USDA and the animal cruelty charges were the issue.

I don't believe that Lewin had no influence or say during the trial that led to the 27 years.

Just what Lewin and Rubashkin spoke about in private, and how strongly Lewin did or didn't try to convince SMR to take a plea deal, will remain a mystery. Seeing how utterly recalcitrant SMR still is to this day, it is understandable to think that he refused to consider a plea deal, no matter how hard Lewin tried to convince him (if he did try), but we'll never know.

Nebech, nothing good can ever come from a Yid sitting in a goyishe jail. We should have our own jail in Brooklyn or Queens where Yidden convicted of a crime can be sentenst by a bais din that way he could still see the family on a Yom Tov and learn and due the time for what the goy calls a crime.

The two videos posted above are part of an entire set posted on Youtube. When I thought some more about Mr. Lewin talking about the judge being involved in the planning of the raid, I realized his talk is merely "sales promotion" for his law firm.

A lot of people think the sentencing guidelines as currently written lead to some excessive sentences. However, no one but Mr. Lewin seems to be advocating disqualifying judges in smaller communities who were required to prepare for mass arrests and a large number of speedy trials. No one wants to hear about criminals getting off anymore because they weren't read their Miranda rights or judges who had to run a courthouse in addition to presiding over trials.

I think it would be better for Rubashkin's supporters to start collecting the list of excessively harsh sentences handed out under current white collar crime laws and sentencing guidelines. This would encourage sentencing reforms. But they are probably too cheap to do that.

I think it would be better for Rubashkin's supporters to start collecting the list of excessively harsh sentences handed out under current white collar crime laws and sentencing guidelines. This would encourage sentencing reforms. But they are probably too cheap to do that.
Posted by: FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican | November 28, 2011 at 01:01 PM

I don’t think that they are cheap, they just don’t care for anybody but themselves. As a matter of fact if you will do the research, you will notice that charediem indentify with the so called law and order crowd.

Please Shmarya, this is how America works for better or worse, politicians visit big business or big religious institutions, in order to get their name out, obviously Chabad isn't stupid and won't straight out say you help Rubashkin and we will help you, they do it in a more round about way, sorry shmarya that no politicians knock on your door to get votes.

Every comment that Waiting4Moshiach posts is another gem! They get funnier and funnier as the days go on. Atta boy "Waiting"! Can you please comment on "pepper spraying on Black Friday" or some other pearls of Jewish wisdom????

…I think it would be better for Rubashkin's supporters to start collecting the list of excessively harsh sentences handed out under current white collar crime laws and sentencing guidelines. This would encourage sentencing reforms. But they are probably too cheap to do that.

Posted by: FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican | November 28, 2011 at 01:01 PM

It has nothing to do with money.

Rubashkin's attorneys, led by Nat Lewin, years ago made the decision to frame Rubashkin's case as antisemitism and his sentence as uniquely harsh.

They did this for several reasons including the following:

1. That narrative rings well with haredi Jews and brings in a lot of donations as a result.

2. That narrative rather than other narratives, they thought, would put the most pressure on politicians to act to help Rubashkin.

3. I also think they expected it to intimidate the US Attorney's office. But it didn't really do that.

They also actively stopped any mention of reforming the sentencing guidelines or of the general problems of sentencing disparity – especially the disparity between the sentences of inner city ethic minorities on one hand and the white suburbanites on the other, as I reported at the time.

Besides the strategic reasons for adopting that false narrative, there is also the impact of the anti-gentile bias that is part and parcel of haredism. And example of that can bee seen in the post I made today (Monday, 11-28-11) about the New Square book.

And then there is haredi racism. Many of the victims of sentencing disparity are blacks and other minorities. Haredim most often live in urban areas, often abutting large populations of low income minorities. Haredim are frequently victims of crime generated by members of those minority populations, and haredim often perceive those minorities as criminals, sexual deviants and as physical threats. (Of course, most victims of these minority criminals are minorities. Black on black crime is more pervasive than black on white crime. And most of the minority populations pose no threat to haredim. But for reasons that transcend haredim and Jews, people see the threat in a much stronger and closer way than they see the masses of minorities who are equally threatened by those minority criminals, who fear them and who do not hate the majority population.)

So, again, it isn't the cost of assembling a list of white collar criminals who received extremely long sentences that is stopping Rubashkin's team from assembling that list and using it.

Instead, it is the need to fundraise to pay Rubashkin's legal fees (and related costs) along with the bigoted theology and racist outlook of haredism that did it.

It's a disgusting process but shuls and churches have been making these deals with politicians for years. Of course, the law with regard to not allowing religious institutions to take political positions should be enforced but the elected officials involved would have to enforce this and can anyone imagine this happening? In the last NYC elections the City Council Speaker made the rounds of senior centers in her district and was warmly embraced by the managers of those centers in front of the folks who come to these centers. This even went on in a center run by a R.C. Church. Although Quinn is an out lesbian the nuns embraced her and posed for pictures with her that they published in their newsletter. One of the nuns told people, "Don't you think I'm a good actress?" Quinn's opponent showed up another time and was ignored. Quinn gets the senior center a nice amount of money from the city. The rabbi of KJ on the UES put a note in the shul's bulletin when a member was running for a judgeship. A few people came down on him for that and he claimed he just wanted to remind people to vote. The rabbi of Bloomberg's temple supported the mayor's overturning the term limits law that voters twice approved. That's politics in the U.S. and rabbis of all denominations (Chabad included) have learned how to play the game.

Please Shmarya, this is how America works for better or worse, politicians visit big business or big religious institutions, in order to get their name out, obviously Chabad isn't stupid and won't straight out say you help Rubashkin and we will help you, they do it in a more round about way, sorry shmarya that no politicians knock on your door to get votes.

Posted by: The Real Joe | November 28, 2011 at 01:08 PM

Having actually lobbied Congress, the State Department and the White House, I'm rather familiar with how the process works.

What this post shows is that some Chabad shuluchim are breaking the law or planning to break the law.

That you have trouble grasping why that is or why doing so is wrong does not change the facts.

I've said it before and I'll say it again:
1) RICO. Pssst... does the AG know?
2) Send your complaints about Lewin to the NY 'bar'. Send your complaints about Chabad tax exempt status to the IRS.
3) I don't see that it is a decision by Lewin or any other person in terms of Chabad claiming anti-semitism whenever they hit a bump in the road. To Chabad I have not seen any alternative.

B"H

Shmarya etc,

Why do you pick on your brothers when you know that there were ministers supporting Obama before election FROM THE PULPIT and they did not lose their 501c3 status?

To not allow someone from the pulpit to speak abuot a political issue is a violation of the US constitution but no one will take the time (and the money) to fight that issue.

Want more info on this topiC? This seems like a decent review of the basic rules:

http://www.outofur.com/archives/2008/01/the_bully_pulpi.html

I am not in the phone business, I am not a lawyer. I do not compete with nat lewin or moses gruenfeld.

I just take offense at how moses gruenfeld stole millions of dollars from poor immigrants and how his corrupt lawyer nay lewin tried to cover it up

The satmar rebbe drinks from a silver kiddush cup donated by moses gruenfeld with money that he stole from poor immigrants.

Therefore , nobody should do any business with any satmar entity until the satmar rebbe sells the silver cup and donates the money to help poor immigrants.

Do not eat satmar schita, if you use a satmar mikveh your future children will be mamzeirim bnai niddah

I've been following this thread with some interest. It is sad that all you Yiddin are do focussed on issues that are irrelevant to the well being and survival of Jews when there are so many more important concerns such as:
The rise of islam and its effects on the freedoms of not only Jews but people of ALL other "religions".
The precarious nature of Israel's very existence.

I know that Shmarya clearly is anti Chabad, but there are many more positive works that the Chabad organization does than negative! Keep this in mind please!


... Typo. SO not do. Sorry

More dirty politics, more reason not to trust ANY party!!!! Support Occupy Wall Street!!!

This is 5th time I have had this dream, and it has brought me to this website. For the last 5 nights including Shabbos, I have had this dream about a man named Rubashkin. I don't know why I have had this dream 5 times. I haven't been to this website in over 12 months. But all of a sudden, the dreams just started. I wish it would go away. I see a man being judged in shamayim, and all I can hear in the distance is an elderly man that looks like Rabbi Menachem Schneerson flogging this Rubashkin character 27 times. Every dream, it's 27 times and then I wake up. I can't help but think the sentence makes sense now that I read all that is above.

JJ
satmar neveiloh und chabad treifoh!

Whe I was a young child I attended the local Lubavitcher Yeshiva..My Rebbbes were all holocaust survivors, just like my parents. When i was 12 I went to visit the Lubavitcher Rebbe in NYC. I was impressed by the man, of course I was only 12 at the time.

Once I graduated Lubavitch and went on to University etc I drifted from Lubavitch, although I always has a soft spot for them as they represented my youth.

Today I cant relate to them in the least.

They are to mind off the wall with their maniacal need to save the world of Jews.

Its almost an obsession with them, so much so that they travel the shit holes of the world looking fo some lost Jew.

At times they put their own lives and the lives of their children in grave danger.

The Rebbe died in 94...They never thought of replacing him..The Rebbe is their Messiah..almost like some kind of Jesus Christ. That I find very strange.

I find this cult strange.

They will end up being the Jews of America, they excel in making you feel good as they pander to your feel good needs.

In Israel where it really counts they are all but ignored. That should cause you to think that they are quite irrelevant.

And so we come to Rubashkin, a convicted criminal.

Rubashkin is their cause celebre their new Jesus Christ. Lubavitch will pine for him for in their minds he is a 'martyre' for the cause.

That defines them as a cult...nothing more nothing less.

They survive only because well meaning ignorant Jews support them Its all about the hussle..nothing more nothing less.

The Rubashkin family is very wealthy by anybody's standards. Yet, they spent very little if any of their own money in the long (and expensive) legal process for their boy, SMR. The reason for this strategy is simple. If they had contributed significant amounts to the funds raised by the Jewish community in his behalf, it might have drawn attention to them and their various sources of support - much of which has been very carefully hidden from the IRS and other branches of the government.

JJ, mamzerim surely not, bnei nidah is debatable.

Adam, which part of chasidus is similar to Shabtai Tzvi? The converting to Islam?

actually, UHL they are worse.
having invented a new renegade religion that has nothing to do with Judaism.

Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya

to see the connection between chabad and shabatai zvi one has to learn first the small kabalah book by shabatai zvi himself and then the writings of Nathan the prophet of Shabatai Zvi and then the later prophets from that particuliar school of thought. It is very different than the Arizal (Isaac Luris) or the Remak (Moshe Kordovaro) and other schools of kabalah. without this background information it is very hard to see thgis. One needs to develop an eye to discern the different schools of thought in Kabalah. After this background knowledge it is very easy to see that chabad is directly from shabatai zvi



Religious organizations should not have tax-exempt status. There is no reason why we should be taxed (or that they should be exempt from taxes) to support religious activity of any kind. If you want to be religious, fine. Pay for it yourself.

I know that rubashkin was a scapegoat for alot of white collar criminal activity.

shmarya - you have the chance to be the first to break the next big lubavitch criminal trial.

do some research on a lubavitch company called BPS - it is run by shmuel 'mulleh' chanin aka sam chanin

it emplys dozens of lubavitch personnel - they have been accused of everything from tax evasion , wire fraud, spamming, cooking books , and much more..

The FBI will be raiding them in the next few weeks

All in all the chabad media machine has done an awful job helping their boy. He had his ass handed to him at trial, his lawyers have failed on appeal to get him an extra roll of charmin let alone reduce his sentence five minutes. So for those of us who understand the great justice meted out by this great country, I say let them keep doing what they're doing. So Nat Lewin pockets more money? It ain't coming out of my pocket. Sure dozens of korean hookers in brooklyn and manhattan are making less because Chabadskers are supporting him at the expense of pre-maariv shtuppy on the way home. That's their business.

And quite honestly, if these guys are right, and there is this huge war on shechita and reade is antisemitic and the DOJ is covering up this and the Kennedy assasination, what do I give a shit? I've got plenty of meat, I'll never meet, let alone appear in front of, Linda Reade, and antisemitism has been around since dirt was invented. Either way, Rubashkin has as much of a chance on appeal as I have of becoming the Yankees starting pitcher in April.

(This is off topic)

http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=39492

Follow the above link, and make sure you read the last line on the sign and remember this sign next time any Lubab tries to give you some bullshit about MessiahChrists being only a small minority of CHABAD. This is their major school. More children likely attend this school than all the other Lubab school in the U.S. combined.

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