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November 10, 2011

Accused Crown Heights Pedophile Arrested

Zion Zuviv closeupAlleged pedophile Tzion Zuviv arrested on charges of sexual abuse Tuesday.

Zion Zuviv

Zion Zuviv Court 1
Zion Zuviv Court 1 closeup

[Via: CrownHeightsWatch.]

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the last 2 post on Crown heights watch are of people I have never scene before in Crown Heights nevertheless if they did these type of sick crimes on children then jail should be the least of their problems

more seferadim then ashkensizim?

Not sure who you are real joe, but they are from crown heights

Chaim Feinhandler: lives on eastern parkway, down the block form 770 and works as diliverboy for empire chicken

and the guy they posted yesterday lives on east ny and Kingston

i have seen this guy in 770 before

LOL under his photo it said borderline retarded but then i realized it was a link to a different article...

He is not frum

Such a waste. He had a promising career as a football coach.

Forget Frum. He's not even Jewish. His mother was a porn star.

LIST OF EXCUSES TO HELP HAREIDI APOLOGISTS

List created by AH-PEE-CHORUS with additions (where indicated) by Abracadabra, Rebitzman, and Mendel Mendel.

Please just refer to the number in front of the excuse you want to offer.

1. He's not Charedi. Shmarya photoshopped his picture.
2. He's not a REAL Charedi. He just dressed and acted like one.
3. He couldn’t have done it, he once gave tseddaka.
4. He was forced to rape children (substitute the crime as needed) by secular Jews.
5. The victims weren’t children but rather little actors who entrapped him.
6. He misunderstood certain parts of the Torah and thought he was doing a mitzvah.
7. He's a true tzaddik. No futher defense needed.
8. The accusers and their families are lying Anti-Semites.
9. Its loshon hara so that makes it not true.
10. Who cares what he did? Somebody was oiver the prohibition of mesira and that is what we should be concerned with.
11. If there weren’t 2 adult male witnesses to the act it never happened or doesn’t matter.
12. We must be 'dan lekaf zechut'...and by this I don’t mean the victims or their families, chas v'sholem, OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. But we must give the benefit of trust and support to the poor predator.
13. This is terrible PR for the Frum community and Klal Yisrael. This should not have been reported to the police, but rather dealt with by a reputable Beis Din which can handle the problem according to Daas Toirah. (Abra)
14. He was framed by people out to extort money from him or his family (rachmana l'tzlan). (Abra)
15. It doesn't matter what he did, if he becomes a prisoner in a Goiyish country we have to collect Pidyon Shvuyim funds to free him! (Abra)
16. He is innocent unless proven guilty. Hareidim use the principals of the USA legal system to defend themselves when it's convenient, yet at the same time reject that system, saying that only their inept Beis Din is valid. Additionally, if a Hareidi criminal takes a plea bargain, Hareidi apologists say he was never “proven” guilty and therefore consider him to be innocent. (Abra)
17. What difference does it all make; he has certainly done tshuvah. (Mendl)
18. This is just another example of that ‘expletive’ self-hating Jew, Shmarya. (Variation: ‘Expletive’-you, Shmarya.) (Rebtz)

We're starting to see some progress in Crown Heights. I believe that's three arrests in the past three months or so; Moshe Keller, Chaim Feinhandler and now Tzion Zuviv. Say what you want about Chabad, at least they're starting to clean up in CH and in Melbourne. The other hasidic sects and the Litvishe are still into their cover ups.

He's not a Lubavitcher, he's a Scottsman.

Apparently, many Chabadniks divide their time between outreach and inreach.

he is not just a delivery guy. he also does real estate. see his facebook profile and this linked in page:

http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=47391636&authType=name&authToken=knUx&locale=en_US&pvs=pp&trk=ppro_viewmore

We're starting to see some progress in Crown Heights. I believe that's three arrests in the past three months or so; Moshe Keller, Chaim Feinhandler and now Tzion Zuviv. Say what you want about Chabad, at least they're starting to clean up in CH and in Melbourne. The other hasidic sects and the Litvishe are still into their cover ups.

Posted by: steve | November 10, 2011 at 05:18 PM

The people doing this are mostly FORMER Chabadniks.

Nuchem Rosenberg also helped a lot with the Crown Heights situation.

In Melbourne, police been very clear that Chabad has been lying and covering up, even now.

Posted by: Abracadabra | November 10, 2011 at 05:04 PM

Sorry your list has been expended by some readers.

LIST OF EXCUSES TO HELP HAREIDI APOLOGISTS
Please just refer to the number in front of the excuse you want to offer.
List created by AH-PEE-CHORUS with additions (where indicated) by Abracadabra, Rebitzman, and Mendel Mendel.
1. He's not Charedi. Shmarya photoshopped his picture.
2. He's not a REAL Charedi. He just dressed and acted like one.
3. He couldn’t have done it, he once gave tseddaka.
4. He was forced to rape children (substitute the crime as needed) by secular Jews.
5. The victims weren’t children but rather little actors who entrapped him.
6. He misunderstood certain parts of the Torah and thought he was doing a mitzvah.
7. He's a true tzaddik. No futher defense needed.
8. The accusers and their families are lying Anti-Semites.
9. Its loshon hara so that makes it not true.
10. Who cares what he did? Somebody was oiver the prohibition of mesira and that is what we should be concerned with.
11. If there weren’t 2 adult male witnesses to the act it never happened or doesn’t matter.
12. We must be 'dan lekaf zechut'...and by this I don’t mean the victims or their families, chas v'sholem, OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. But we must give the benefit of trust and support to the poor predator.
13. This is terrible PR for the Frum community and Klal Yisrael. This should not have been reported to the police, but rather dealt with by a reputable Beis Din which can handle the problem according to Daas Toirah. (Abra)
14. He was framed by people out to extort money from him or his family (rachmana l'tzlan). (Abra)
15. It doesn't matter what he did, if he becomes a prisoner in a Goiyish country we have to collect Pidyon Shvuyim funds to free him! (Abra)
16. He is innocent unless proven guilty. Hareidim use the principals of the USA legal system to defend themselves when it's convenient, yet at the same time reject that system, saying that only their inept Beis Din is valid. Additionally, if a Hareidi criminal takes a plea bargain, Hareidi apologists say he was never “proven” guilty and therefore consider him to be innocent. (Abra)
17. What difference does it all make; he has certainly done tshuvah. (Mendl)
18. This is just another example of that ‘expletive’ self-hating Jew, Shmarya. (Variation: ‘Expletive’-you, Shmarya.) (Rebtz)
19. He is literally borderline special needs. (The Real Joe)
20. 20. The kid had every opportunity to complain while he was being fondled, yet he didn't say a word. So why is this being made into such a big deal? ( Josh)
21. The kid enjoyed it so why the big deal?!
22. This is actually a major concern for those of us who work in this field. (JaneinMelbourne)
23. The shmekele never went into the tochis. So while it may have been regrettable it didn't actually transgress one of the 613. (anuran)
24. If we speak of this the child's brothers and sisters won't be able to make good shidduch, and the accused will have his reputation destroyed (anuran)
25. Goyim do this and worse all the time. Gemara tells us they would rather shtup our farm animals than their women. (anuran)
26. He/she smiled at me. (JaneinMelbourne)
27. He/she did not have to come over. (JaneinMelbourne)
28. My wife was niddah - heard that one more times than I can recall. (JaneinMelbourne)
29. It also happened to me and I am ok! (JaneinMelbourne)

Shmarya, do you have any information about Veisfish, a lubavitcher who was arrested a few days ago on molestation charges?

Forget Frum. He's not even Jewish. His mother was a porn star.
Posted by: What kind of goyishe name is Harold z"l? | November 10, 2011 at 04:52 PM

He is Jesus brother from another mother.

Shmarya, do you have any information about Veisfish, a lubavitcher who was arrested a few days ago on molestation charges?

Posted by: Levi | November 10, 2011 at 05:44 PM
Joe Field

He was arrested a few months ago. I broke the story.

The case is still in process, I think.

@to the fake joe I specifically wasn't talking about Feinhandler I was referring to the last 2 posts on crownheightswatch.com

This is an unfortunate story indeed. The picture is also frightening with the guy's belt loose and unhinged from the pants.Sad picture of a rosho.

Veisfish,Huh?

Is his first name Gefillte?

Posted by: Joe Field | November 10, 2011 at 05:44 PM

already on vin regarding "David Laffer pleaded guilty to first-degree murder in the ..."

he is really not a jew if we check

they must have read your list

His great grandmother on the father's side was a pastry chef for the Frierdike Rebbe so therefore he is covered by part four, subtext 214 of the Mishnah Brurah which explicity says, and I quote, " Any Jew who creates hamentaschen for the rebbe will automatically be forgiven all sins committed within a 48 hour period of his choosing."

So he is free of sin and no one should say anything bad about him or my brother, Shayeh, will put soiled diapers in your t'fillin bag.

Judging from the picture, he looks like he's really got his back to the 'wall.'

Can you tell me anything about Moshe Keller please?

Quit telling lies about he is not Jewish or Frum or whatever...

He is in fact a marooned UFO alien

Say what you want about Chabad, at least they're starting to clean up in CH and in Melbourne.

Posted by: steve | November 10, 2011 at 05:18 PM

Its not just Chabad, here they are all coming on board. I doubt there are any rabbis that haven't.

No, Shmendrik, the CH Beis Din itself is behind this cleanup. The dropouts just do what you do and regurgitate material to make themselves look good and vindicate themselves for being dropout losers.

Once the 2 more active members of the beis din gave permission to come forward, all of this started. Nochem Rosenberg would not get the time of day in CH. CH has enough of its own meshuggeners.

Friedlander is the delivery boy. Zuviv is a wannabe businessman. I've known him since he was an illegal alien in Montreal who hung around Chabad Houses for food. A friend of mine who knows him and is also Israeli claims Zuviv won a lottery somewhere and lives from his prize money.

I knew he was weird and untrustworthy (he promised me something that never materialized, but I did not lose as a result so I hardly cared and I didn't expect much from him anyway), but I'm about as good at spotting pervs as I am at nuclear physics.

If he is guilty, I hope he is emasculated by Bubba in the showers.

Alleged... arested on charges of... Oh well, where this is smoke...

Another tragedy, but why don't you even mention the Penn State debacle and the fact that the students rioted after Paterno was fired. Is it your sole purpose to malign the frum. Are the victims of the Penn State not worthy of mention. Does the offender have to have a beard and peyos to make it to your blog. You're just a baby with an axe to grind because you couldn't make in the frum world!

You're just a baby with an axe to grind because you couldn't make in the frum world!
--
He can't make it in the frei world either. He has made it only in the self-hating Jewish deformed world of the Backward and the people-hating deformed world of PETA.

And that is like the old and non-PC joke about winning the special olympics, vehamayvin yavin.


To Shmarya:

I am part of Crown Heights Watch and you are wrong

1)We are all proud chabbadniks and very pro chabbad!!

2)The story you said that nuchem Rosenberg convinced them to sign the paper is a lie, he gave his advice on what he has seen and knows, that was about it, and yes it helped out if I am correct ( as well with the story that one of the rabbis who did not know what jerking off is. that was a made up story since I was the one in the meeting and I know what took place)


And to the idiot who wrote shmarya fails again, you are wrong as well.

Ch Beis din has nothing to do with the site, and it not people trying to make themselvs look good, unfortunately you are a sad case of a looser in crown heights that has done NOTHING TO STOP THIS IN OUR COMMUNITY.

so instead of trying to badmouth other people why don’t you stand up and make a change?

why don't you do something about this?

i Am sure you know of many cases and that you have done nothing, all you do is sit around you shabbat table talking BS like you know everything that is going on.


You really feel the members of chwatch are trying to do this for a good name? Are you on Crack? Some Memebers have more balls then you will ever have.

You don’t know anything that is going on, so go back into your little bubble world and keep your trap closed and once you know the details and not hearsay then say something.

And Shmarya i don't agree with a lot of what you write and it makes me sick, but everyone has there own opinions on everything, but you are one person that has been exposing Jewish pedophiles for years and i take my hat off for you.

Thank you and keep up the good work.

Another tragedy, but why don't you even mention the Penn State debacle and the fact that the students rioted after Paterno was fired. Is it your sole purpose to malign the frum. Are the victims of the Penn State not worthy of mention. Does the offender have to have a beard and peyos to make it to your blog. You're just a baby with an axe to grind because you couldn't make in the frum world!

Posted by: SDR | November 10, 2011 at 11:19 PM

Lets see.

There are hundreds of thousands of victims of child sex abuse.

I cover one small slice of that – the Orthodox and haredi communities, because both have serious problems dealing with the issue, similar to what the Catholic Church used to have.

But you – a rocket scientist and gadol, no doubt – assume that if I don't write about Penn State, I'm out to get haredim.

Process: When you and your community throw out the rabbis who cover up for pedophiles and other criminals the way Penn State threw out Paterno, its president, and at least two others, I'll be able to stop or greatly reduce my coverage of the haredi and Orthodox communities.

Penn State doesn't make you look good, genius.

Penn State makes you look very, very bad.

As for me "not making it" in the frum world, I certainly learned far more than you, knew and know far more than you, held much more significant positions in that world than you do or ever will, and and was successful in many other ways, as well.

You see, little man, you and your friends are the real losers.

That's why you attack the messenger.

You're not smart enough or well educated enough to attack the message and, at any rate, the truth is not on your side.

Your rabbis covered up for Mondrowitz and Kolko and Kolko and a litany of others.

And none of them have been fired or dismissed or forced out or forced to retire.

They haven't even apologized for their crimes.

And you and your fellow haredi cowards don't have th4e guts or the intellectual honest to confront them.

And for that, little man, the beit din shel ma'aylah will hold you all accountable.

"More balls".

Seriously.

I'm sure the rest of the post was well thought out, but those two words just jump off the screen.

But really, isn't the implication that people with only one testical are somehow lacking offensive? Or can the suggestion that possessing 4 or 5 gonades is a prerequisite of moral authority be backed up by science or halocha?

I am part of Crown Heights Watch and you are wrong

1)We are all proud chabbadniks and very pro chabbad!!

2)The story you said that nuchem Rosenberg convinced them to sign the paper is a lie, he gave his advice on what he has seen and knows, that was about it, and yes it helped out if I am correct ( as well with the story that one of the rabbis who did not know what jerking off is. that was a made up story since I was the one in the meeting and I know what took place)


I heard from more than one person in that meeting what took place, including both of those stories. Maybe you didn't get the Yiddish.

Past that, I know very well who started CHW and I know that your perception is wrong.

Are SOME of you still full fledged Chabadniks?

Sure.

Are all of you or most of you?

No way, no how.

whether or not chwatch is frum, they are def giving chabad a bad name. putting their pix and going public about their molesters!!

I don't live in Crown Heights. Never did for any length of time sufficient for me to get involved in community affairs or even to hear rumors about any known molestors in the community. If I would have suspected Zuviv I'd have been the first to make sure he was 'dealt with.' Even now, I am surprised, but I do believe the allegations because you don't get sent to Rikers on these charges without reason.

If it were up to me I'd hose out the entire 770 with a pressure washer to get rid of the nut cases, druggies and other flotsam and jetsam that CH tolerates in the name of misguided 'ahavas Yisroel.' I don't even care to visit CH anymore.

Shmendrik, you never succeeded at anything. You are basically one of those pieces of flotsam and jetsam that shows up on Chabad doorsteps throughout the world. Your delusions of grandeur are just that. You are a Walter Mitty, used by despicable people much, much bigger than you are who then wring you like a towel and hang you out to dry.

Your meat market was the most public in a string of failures. I guess it is poiked avoin avois al bonim, considering who your grandfather was and how you throw stones at others from your glass house.

Go crawl back into your hole, Pinchas. And Shmarya, your hole is so deep no one will be able to find you when it swallows you up and dissolves you in hot brimstone.

There was 3 people in that meeting including the rabbi's 2 were activist 1 was Nuchem, i know you did not hear it from the other person in the meeting, i am not here to argue, just stating the facts. ( as well many victims have gone to the bais din if they should go forward or not in many diff cases)

And i wrote proud chabbadniks.... some may not be 100% frum but they believe in it in heart and soul and i say this not off hearsay

To Shmarya Fails Again: I am not sure why i am even replying to your nonsense, a waste of time, have a good night and sweet dreams ;)

hey pinchas...your my superhero...its about time we kept our kids safe. thank god for ppl like nuchum and you!!!

Think it must be a full moon again..

…Shmendrik, you never succeeded at anything. You are basically one of those pieces of flotsam and jetsam that shows up on Chabad doorsteps throughout the world. Your delusions of grandeur are just that. You are a Walter Mitty, used by despicable people much, much bigger than you are who then wring you like a towel and hang you out to dry.

Your meat market was the most public in a string of failures. I guess it is poiked avoin avois al bonim, considering who your grandfather was and how you throw stones at others from your glass house.…

Posted by: Shmarya Fails Again | November 11, 2011 at 12:08 AM
Pinchas

My meat market did NOT fail until about 10 years AFTER I sold my share, and that can hardly be attributed to me.

My main community effort was to save Ethiopian Jews, and you can hardly say I failed there. Quite the opposite is true.

I think you project your own failing on people you hate, and you hate me because I expose the crimes and corruption of you and your friends.

NOT MAKING IT IN THE FRUM WORLD. its not possible ,as each pervereted sect thinks himself/themselves on a higher plain than the rest of their yidden in their specific religious observance. the frum are the same level as their other religious counterparts.you beleive rubashkin ,s m, is frum, he is a delusional nut who probably sees he is innocent of his and his staff's behaviour in the postville. our non frum sect practise what we preach.Dont do unto others that you would not have them do unto you.AND all the rest is commentary. the question to be asked is this . is it only since the internet that all these relgious perverts are being exposed, or is this perverse behavior been going on behind closed doors for years.? by the way to j/melbourne it is the full moon.

Pinchas,

You say three people were in that meeting along with the rabbis.

I know Nuchem and I know the other activist. I know what Nuchem told the the older rabbi. And I heard it from more than one person who was in that room.

or is this perverse behavior been going on behind closed doors for years.?

Posted by: ahad ha-am | November 11, 2011 at 01:46 AM

For sure its been going on behind closed doors and will continue.

All the internet had done is highlight the severity of it.

Thanks, going by some of the posts I had an inking the lunar system was responsible..

What am I missing?.

It stands to reason offenders are not going to like Shmarya, so the problem is?.

There is no problem: Hes not doing this for them but the victims!.

Think I better go back and study more psychology to understand some of the posts here..

Progress in Crown Heights? Please, The Rebbe Zal still gets hagbah on shabbos.

Progress in Crown Heights? Please, The Rebbe Zal still gets hagbah on shabbos.

Posted by: Bfeirush in Fartscroll | November 11, 2011 at 02:17 AM

How?

Oops - Pinchas, I think you misunderstood me and I attacked you based on that misunderstanding. Sorry about that.

I am not from CH and there is B"H nothing for me to do where I am. I don't cover for anyone, but I also don't know how to detect a molester. I must say that after seeing your list and knowing or having met three names on it, I might be able to detect one in the future.

I happen to know Zuviv because I learned in Montreal when he hung around there and I saw him when I was in CH for a few months. He wanted something from me on a professional basis. I said fine, pay up front. He didn't, no hard feelings because I didn't do anything except take his phone call.

I fully support and often read CHWatch and I know you are not OTDs as Shmarya says you are.

All I said is that the CH Beis Din (or at least 2/3 of it) made it clear that victims and those who know about these crimes can and should come forward. In other words, the community does support you, unlike what Shmarya claims. I am on your side, against molesters, against coverups and against both Rosenbergs and their nonsense.

Nochem Rosenberg is said to live a dual life. I don't know this for sure, but I speak enough Yiddish to know that he is many cards short of a full deck. He did some good at the beginning but now he's just discrediting those who really want to put an end to the coverups.

Shmarya, I just checked some info about your so-called efforts for the Ethiopians. You were just a loose cannon who got in the way of things. And you did not sell your share in the market at any sort of decent price. I know that for a fact. You were begging money after you sold it and claiming the whole world cheated you. Therefore, for you, it was a failure. You can fool your people all of the time, but you can't fool the rest of us.

Crawl back under your rock.

Jane - the idiots always come out of the woodwork whenever someone's arrested for rape or molestation. Like I've said a million times, they're so dimwitted that they don't realise that there's only one reason someone would be visibly upset about offenders being arrested, and so with every post they make they announce with greater clarity "I'm scared that I'm next". It's fun to watch then flail really. You'll get used to it after a while.

As for me "not making it" in the frum world, I certainly learned far more than you, knew and know far more than you, held much more significant positions in that world than you do or ever will, and and was successful in many other ways, as well.

You see, little man

Little man? you don't know the first thing about me. Why the rampage? You must be a very angry lonely misfit. You need to concentrate on getting married and finding a real job. You're like the losers on Stormfront who waste all of their time spreading hate because they DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO DO!

And for that, little man, the beit din shel ma'aylah will hold you all accountable.

You clearly don't believe in the beit din shel ma'aylah, so what's the point?
You need to get a JOB get a WIFE and get a LIFE.
BTW bootlegging is illegal so the family business is out of the question.

You clearly don't believe in the beit din shel ma'aylah, so what's the point?

Posted by: SDR | November 11, 2011 at 10:14 AM

It doesn't matter what I believe.

You profess to believe in it.

And how the beit din shel ma'aylah will judge you is, as I noted, very clear.

And no amount of lies from you, of mudslinging or attempts smear me or others will change that.

You're a failure at what you profess to be – a Jew who follows the Torah and who knows the Torah.

Little man.

Shmarya, I just checked some info about your so-called efforts for the Ethiopians. You were just a loose cannon who got in the way of things. And you did not sell your share in the market at any sort of decent price. I know that for a fact. You were begging money after you sold it and claiming the whole world cheated you. Therefore, for you, it was a failure. You can fool your people all of the time, but you can't fool the rest of us.

Crawl back under your rock.

Posted by: Shmendrik Fails Again | November 11, 2011 at 07:32 AM

More lies from a Chabadnik.

I never "begged" money.

I did not lose money on my sale of my part of the store.

As for your asinine remarks about what I did or did not do for Ethiopian Jews, I served as the American Chairman of North American affiliate of the World Union of Jewish Students.

In that capacity I worked closely with the US Department of State.

By that I mean lobbying in Washington DC at the Department of State with the State Department's head of Refugee Affairs and its East African chief, and several times per week phone calls with the person charged with running what later became known as Operation Moses, that became near daily and then daily or several times per day as the airlift progressed.

I worked on Operation Moses and on its immediate follow up, Operation Joshua, the CIA-led airlift of the Jews left in Sudan after the Federations, the Washington Jewish Week, Yehuda Dominitz, Yosef Burg and Shimon Peres, and the government of Israel acting through the World Zionist Organization and the Jewish Agency leaked Operation Moses and killed it.

You're an ignorant, obnoxious liar and a fool.

And so are your Chabad fellow travelers who make up lies and smear people who they hate.

And what do you and your friends hate me?

Because I expose the crimes, the child rape, the abuse in your community – and I do so as a former member who has the guts to stand up to scum like you, and who does so as a proudly secular Jew.

I reject your community's Judaism.

More than that, I let other people see how rotted that Judaism and your community really is.

And you hate that.

At any rate, you just lied about me again.

I won't lie about you or about your community in return, because I don't do that.

But I will restate the truth here in brief so readers can get an idea of what you cover up and what you are:

The Rebbe:

1. Lied about what Chabad did and did not do in order to avoid having to do some of the things it did for Iranian Jews for Ethiopian Jews.

2. Refused to have his shluchim (local Chabad rabbis) across America ask their US senators and congresspeople to support rescue of Ethiopian Jews.

3. Was approached by several people over a five year period asking for Chabad's help in saving Ethiopian Jews. He responded by telling each of them that the Jewish status of Ethiopian Jews needed to be clarified. When I asked him to help Ethiopian Jews he sent me to Rabbi Moshe Feinstein to determine that status. But as Rav Moshe himself noted, he had already ruled very publicly that Ethiopian Jews must be rescued and treated as Jews for that rescue and for all humanitarian and education assistance. (He ruled again when I convinced him that the Rebbe and others were claiming not know about his earlier ruling – even though it was well publicized and even though it had already been affirmed by dozens of Orthodox and haredi rabbis.) In fact, the rabbi told a wealthy Chabad donor who pressed the Rebbe about rescuing Ethiopian Jews not long before I did the same basic thing he told me. I asked this wealthy man how he reacted when the Rebbe lied like that and tried to mislead him. He told me that everyone has their shortcomings and their blind spots and in his view, this was the Rebbe's. How many Ethiopian Jews died because of the Rebbe's lies, I asked him. Many, he answered.

4. Before WW2, the Rebbe was seen eating in a non-kosher cafe in Paris. The owner's family, Orthodox Jews, talked about the Rebbe knowingly eating non-pas yisroel, non-halav yisrael food, and even food that was non-kosher. The owner knew who the Rebbe was and knew him on sight. He was shocked when a decade later the Rebbe succeeded his father-in-law and became the 7th (and apparently the last) Lubavitcher Rebbe.

5. According to a memoir written by Barry Gourary – the manuscript was later traded to Chabad to protect his mother, the daughter of the 6th rebbe and the 7th rebbe's sister-in-law, from further beatings and attempts on her life – the Rebbe had a non-Jewish mistress while living in Berlin and Paris. There were three copies of Barry's book. Chabad got one, Barry burned the other as part of his deal with Chabad, but the third was still intact when it was covertly taken and copied. Pages of this manuscript were distributed to various people, and at least one entire manuscript copy is still extant and intact.

The Rebbe's Wife, the daughter of the 6th Lubavitcher Rebbe:

1. She was not Shomer Shabbat.

2. She was not Orthodox or haredi or hasidic.

3. She married only to please her parents.

4. Photos exist of her in the 1930s wearing pants and smoking cigarettes in public, two things respectable women did not do in the 1930s.

5. Unlike her husband, she was a truly nice and kind person who was grounded in reality. She certainly cared for the Rebbe but was also trapped by him and by his increasing delusions, something that concerned her sister, Chaya Gourary.

The Horensteins:

1. The Rebbe's wife's other sister and her husband Mendel Horenstein died in the Holocaust. Before that, they lived in Paris close to the Rebbe and his wife, who wer their close friends.

2. The Horensteins were not Orthodox or haredi or hasidic. They did not keep kosher or Shabbat.

The 6th Rebbe, the Father of the Rebbe's Wife and of Sheina Horenstein and Chaya Gourary:

1. After he was rescued from German occupied Poland by the US, the 6th Rebbe made no significant attempt to save his daughter Sheina and her husband. Both died in death camps.

2. Raised money for Holocaust recuse but used that money to get more of the building in Crown Heights known as 770 and open a yeshiva. He did this while hundreds of thousands of Jews were being murdered in Europe.

3. As soon as he was brought out of German occupied Poland to then-neutral Latvia (from where he was sailing to the US), he asked the US to send its representatives into Poland to save…his silver goods and his book collection (many, if not most, of those books were secular, like Sherlock Holmes stories translated into Yiddish). He said nothing about saving Jewish lives, and he never asked the US to do anything to save or help Europe's Jews. He wrote letters to President Roosevelt during the war in which he thanked him for rescuing him and supported the war effort. But those letters do not mention the millions of tortured and murdered Jews and do not ask the US to do anything to help those Jews.

So there's a brief list of your heroes failings, of their lies and duplicity, of their cheating.

Look forward to more posted every time you or your friends lie.

Fair play, honesty and truth are foreign to you and they mean nothing to you.

But maybe the uncomfortable facts of your flawed leaders will.

I would like to add the following items to the list of excuses:

1. It can't be true, he was machpid on Chalev Yisrael.
2. It can't be true, he was machpid on Pas Yisrael.
3. It can't be true, he was machpid on Yoshon.
4. It can't be true, he only attended simchas that offered separate seating.
5. It can't be true, he never davened in a Shul that said the Tefillah for the dirty Medinah or for those goyishe IDF soldiers.

"You're not smart enough or well educated enough to attack the message...

I'm an attorney. Do you have any higher education outside of Chabad or some community college?

I'm an attorney. Do you have any higher education outside of Chabad or some community college?

Posted by: SDR | November 11, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Yes I do.

But anyone can go back and read your previous comments and they can see you lack the ability to write a basic English language sentence.

They can also see you lack the ability to argue logically.

Is it possible you're an attorney?

Yes, it is.

But that doesn't mean you're well educated or that you're smart.

And it certainly does not mean you're honest.

At any rate, little man, you're a failure at being the frum Jew you want to be and think you are.

You're kind of like that assistant coach at Penn State who saw Sandusky raping a 10 year old boy but who did not call police. Instead, after walking away and allowing th rape to continue, he waited until the next day, called Joe Paterno, told him and left it at that.

You do the same thing with the crime and corruption of your community. You look the other way.

And then when people with more courage than you and more honesty than you expose it, you whine and complain about the damage these whistle blowers are doing to your precious community. You accuse them of bigotry. You attack them and try to smear them, kind of like the Penn State students who rioted when Paterno was fired for not calling police on Sandusky.

That's why you're a little man.

And that's why you're a loser.

And that's why the god you claim to worship will reject you, because you not only stood by your brother's blood, you tried to hurt the people who tried to save your brother's life.

And for that, you will surely rot.

Shmarya, it would be at least ethical to disclose that for a period of time you were involved in the sale of kosher meat, and effectivly carried on a business relationship with the Rubashkins for many years.

Though I'm sure you personaly are well above such pettiness, the relationship between supppliers and butchers can be pretty acrimonious. Your whole site could be percieved as a grudge against a manipulative and unreliable supplier and the community that allowed your business to fail.

That's why disclosure is so important.

And I can't resist pointing out that I'm giving you the benifit of the doubt and not swallowing charges of alleged percieved wrongdoing without giving you a chance to defend yourself. Besides, I'd don't have a picture of you to post.

Shmarya, it would be at least ethical to disclose that for a period of time you were involved in the sale of kosher meat, and effectivly carried on a business relationship with the Rubashkins for many years.

Though I'm sure you personaly are well above such pettiness, the relationship between supppliers and butchers can be pretty acrimonious. Your whole site could be percieved as a grudge against a manipulative and unreliable supplier and the community that allowed your business to fail.

That's why disclosure is so important.

And I can't resist pointing out that I'm giving you the benifit of the doubt and not swallowing charges of alleged percieved wrongdoing without giving you a chance to defend yourself. Besides, I'd don't have a picture of you to post.

Posted by: take it east | November 11, 2011 at 11:28 AM

No, what you're doing is being disingenuous.

I've written about my time working in the meat business and my relationship with the Rubashkins many times, beginning in 2004.

I've also spoken to media about it.

So you see, I was very ethical.

And you?

Far from it.

"Yes I do."

Please elaborate. I graduated law school in the top third of my class and was an articles editor for the school's law review. I edited articles by some of the finest legal minds in the country.

I think my qualifications speak for themselves. You run a hate filled, name calling crappy little blog! Not a very impressive resume. Calling me "little man" 50 times doesn't win the argument genius.


That's why you're a little man.
BTW I'm 6'0 270 lbs., hardly little by anyone's standards.

"And that's why you're a loser."
Sticks and stones. Your therapy is really not working. Time to switch meds.

"And that's why the god you claim to worship will reject you, because you not only stood by your brother's blood, you tried to hurt the people who tried to save your brother's life."

Another great winning argument? Like I said before, YOU DON'T KNOW the first thing about me and thus your statements are utterly baseless. Ad hominem attacks are fun but you clearly couldn't argue your way out of a paper bag.

I'm sorry Smmarya, but I don't read your press. It should stated clearly as a part of the description of your site, and its not.
As for questioning the sincerity of someone raising a legitimate issue, well that would top my list of knee jerk reactions to criticism. Perhaps you are more haredi than you like to admit?

I'm sorry Smmarya, but I don't read your press. It should stated clearly as a part of the description of your site, and its not.
As for questioning the sincerity of someone raising a legitimate issue, well that would top my list of knee jerk reactions to criticism. Perhaps you are more haredi than you like to admit?

Posted by: take it east | November 11, 2011 at 12:11 PM

Please.

Anyone reading this can easily google your alias (use the Google search box near the bottom of the middle column of this page) to see that you are being disingenuous.

I fulfilled and exceeded my ethical duties to disclose.

My time in the meat business and my dealings with the Rubashkins before the PETA scandal broke have been written about by me many times beginning in 2004 and are known to thousands of people including many reporters.

Your disingenuous behavior doesn't change that.

And your disingenuous behavior does not change Rubashkin's crimes, his family's crimes or Chabad's crimes.

And you'll be hearing much more about the latter in the near future, I believe.

Please elaborate. I graduated law school in the top third of my class and was an articles editor for the school's law review. I edited articles by some of the finest legal minds in the country.

Really?

Then why is it that your comments are so often illiterate?

Even if you actually managed to do what you claim, that does not change the fact that what you hate is having the crime, corruption and filth of your community exposed, and it doesn't change the fact that you attack the people who expose it but do not seem to manage to attack the criminals in your community and the rabbis and community leaders who cover for them.

While that makes your social standing in your community secure, it makes your standing as an honest, God fearing, Torah observant Jew go right down the toilet.

And when I call you little man, that's what I'm rather clearly referring to.

Good detective work Shmarya. But I sincerely meant for my alias to be "take it easy", but committed a typo. Perhaps you could Google that instead?

No, a prosecutor with an ax to grind doesn't make a defendent less guilty. And I'm not accusing you of knowingly conceling your relationship with Rubashkin. I am saying that failing to clearly disclose it on your site is the kind of sloppiness and unprofessional behaviour that got Rubashkin in trouble in the first place.

Another lesson to learn fom Rubashkin, is that admitting your are wrong is a better approach than attacking your critics.

Take it easy and have a Good Shabbos.

Posted by: take it east | November 11, 2011 at 12:59 PM

I've "clearly disclosed it" on my site many times, well in excess of anything journalism ethics require.

And no matter how many times you try to smear me by claiming otherwise, that will still be true.

Alright, lets see. Where is it "clearly disclosed"? Well lets look on the home page... Not there... though you should probably follow Craig's List's list and remove the link for the "Chabad swingers", since many of those classified have been shown to be effective tools for pedophiles... On the "Contact and About" tab... my, you seem to have some Daddy issues, don't obsess over it, the Rebbe never wrote or called me either... and no your not paronoid, if there really are people out to get you... Hareidim are hypocrits... Sorry but Jesus scoopped you on that one and sold more copy... and I'm not digging through the last 4 years of posts to find your autobiography.

Joking aside, just put a paragraph on the "About" tab saying that you worked in the kosher meat business and had a financial relationship with Rubashkin over a period of time.That's all I ask.

Joking aside, just put a paragraph on the "About" tab saying that you worked in the kosher meat business and had a financial relationship with Rubashkin over a period of time.That's all I ask.

Posted by: taske it east | November 11, 2011 at 02:59 PM

Sure.

Right after you tell us al your real name and any relationships or links you might have that could even remotely pertain to what you post here.

Of course, you won't do that.

Again, my background is an open book.

I've written about it many times here, I've told reporters about it, as well.

I've gone way beyond what is required of me to do.

And what have you disclosed?

Your name?

No.

Your relationship to any individuals, groups or companies related in any way to the issues I write obut here?

No.

Anything?

No.

So open your book, tell us all who you are and answer those questions.

After all, you're writing for public consumption. Don't you have a responsibility to be ethical?

his mother is nina hartley !!!!!! google her!!!!

acording to the torah The jewish LAW
a person is an adault at the age of 13.

as for the aleged story of a 15 years old and a 43 years old having sex in the ass.

why is it abuse ?

Actually, I'd rather point out that this could be why you are so frusturated with institutions and individuals that brush off your critisim and resist change. It isn't always arrogrance or hypocrosy; its just that people are honestly trying to do the best they can and don't have to obey every demand from a public that may not understand the complexity of their work.

And really, I'm sure that the Chabad swinger classified section is a money maker, but those services have been linked with child abuse, so you should reconsider it.

Posted by: take it east | November 11, 2011 at 03:24 PM

Please.

Covering news – even new you don't like – is valid.

I don't have a classified section or a Chabad swingers section or anything of the kind.

And I'm well aware of the "complexity" of the jobs the people I cover do.

Does that complexity justify allowing Jews to become homeless because we lack the resources to help them while Jewish Federations put money into retention studies and the like?

No, it does not.

Does it justify Ethiopian Jews dying while Chabad refused to help because it "wasn't their responsibility" to help?

No, it does not.

Unlike you, I actually had real, long term and high level contact with Federations, Federation leaders, government officials here and in Israel (and in Europe and Canada, as well). I worked for Jewish organizations. I led Jewish organizations.

I more than understand the complexity.

And I also understand the BS, including your BS.

Posted by: take it east | November 11, 2011 at 03:24 PM

I'd also note you did not give us your real name or disclose any of your relationships and potential conflicts of interest.

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this is all wrong and stupid i have known this guy ever since i was a baby i am 25 years old now i know him very well he isnt a person that wouldnt do such things he is a nice, kind guy he is my dads bestfreind and my dad is a known person in crown hieghts this isnt true

"isnt a person that wouldnt do such things".

hmmm/

yaya, He maybe to you but that doesn't necessarily mean everyone else shares the same view as you.

As my zeidy used to say, even hitler had his fans..

Jane - the idiots always come out of the woodwork whenever someone's arrested for rape or molestation. Like I've said a million times, they're so dimwitted that they don't realise that there's only one reason someone would be visibly upset about offenders being arrested, and so with every post they make they announce with greater clarity "I'm scared that I'm next". It's fun to watch then flail really. You'll get used to it after a while.

Posted by: No Light | November 11, 2011 at 08:58 AM

No Light, I know, I know. But lets keep it between you and I ok? ;) Moztei Shabbos is boring where I live and I need some light entertainment :)

Not sure about this guy, but he doesn't look like a chabadnik. A name like Tziyon Zuviv? Pictured at the Kosel? And what a picture! He frankly looks like someone I wouldn't let my kids near with a ten-foot pole. Of course, child molesters come in all shapes, sizes, genders and religions. But frankly, this particular guy does look like he might have a screw loose?

Also, one strange thing I notice... The picture isn't completely clear, but is this guy posing in front of the WOMEN'S section of the kosel? Weird...

@ruvi

his mother is nina hartley !!!!!! google her!!!!

I did - her bio on Wikipedia says she has no children.

Ergo you are not only guilty of lashon harah, you are are also a liar.

@Shmarya

Why is it that every few months these guys jump in here with the same stale accusations and revelations, and try to present their "charges" as breaking news?

You and I have disagreed - often and quite heatedly at times, but that does not alter the fact that you have addressed your past openly, honestly and fully over and over and over...........

At what point do you not simply direct these misguided sheep to a canned answer and same yourself some time? (not to mention, ME being inconvenienced scrolling through 80 posts over something we've covered here before multiple times ;).

Shmarya, How can you being proof from Barry Guararry who hated the rebbe with a passion?

He "hated" him because he knew him.

You might note that the Rebbe had no friends except his brother in Israel – who was not Orthodox, haredi or hasidic – and his brother-in-law Mendel Horenstein, who died in the Holocaust.

No friends at all. Not a one.

And everyone who was close to being a friend – like Rav Hutner, who learned with the Rebbe in the late 1940s – though the Rebbe was mentally ill.

Think about that.

Why is it that every few months these guys jump in here with the same stale accusations and revelations, and try to present their "charges" as breaking news?

You and I have disagreed - often and quite heatedly at times, but that does not alter the fact that you have addressed your past openly, honestly and fully over and over and over...........

At what point do you not simply direct these misguided sheep to a canned answer and same yourself some time? (not to mention, ME being inconvenienced scrolling through 80 posts over something we've covered here before multiple times ;).

Posted by: rebitzman | November 12, 2011 at 06:13 PM

Why do they do it?

Because this is Chabad's MO.

They do this to anyone who exposes anything bad about them.

They lie, they cheat, they smear.

And they learned that from their dead Rebbe.

“He "hated" him because he knew him.

You might note that the Rebbe had no friends except his brother in Israel – who was not Orthodox, haredi or hasidic – and his brother-in-law Mendel Horenstein, who died in the Holocaust.

No friends at all. Not a one.

And everyone who was close to being a friend – like Rav Hutner, who learned with the Rebbe in the late 1940s – though the Rebbe was mentally ill.

Think about that.”

To see Menachem Schneerson's terrible social skills (and why he had no friends) all you need to do is watch the "conversations" he had with people who came to get a dollar on Sunday. It makes no difference who the person is. I've yet to see ONE video resembling a normal conversation. I get embarrassed for him especially when he talks to irreligious Jews who aren’t “awed” by his “Majesty.” I find his blessings and go-to chatter about the “Redemption” banal and obviously full of shit.

rav p worshiped at the feet of schneerson as if he where a christ incarnate. rav p is an emmissary rabbi. rav p told me in allearnestness that once the rabbi had given you a dollar you could come back months or years later and he would ALWAYS remember you from the prior visit. the sad part is these chabds believe this bull.

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