Why Haredim Now Vote Republican

More and more haredim now vote Republican. Why?

 

Read my answers to this question on Moment Magazine.

The Latin sounding words at the end of the article are gibberish. Apparently Moment uses gibberish fake Latin text to block articles, and forgot to remove a line of it when posting.

Also, there's an editing mistake I made. The following line has an error:

But many have left the city for the Haredi neighborhoods of West Bank cities like Beitar Illit and Beit Shemesh, or for the all-Haredi Emmanuel.

Obviously, Beit Shemesh is not a West Bank city. The sentence should have read:

But many have left the city for the Haredi neighborhoods of West Bank cities like Beitar Illit and for the all-Haredi Emmanuel.

Mistakes like these happen during editing when large chunks of text are cut or moved or broken up and moved in order to meet space limitations.

In this case, I did these particular edits – not Moment. Even so, I'm supposed to catch mistakes. But I didn't catch this one.

Comments

[Waiting4Moshiach]

Why ask why? With the democrats you get liberals who want men to marry men and stick their nose in our business and only feel shame when talking about heimische yidden. Let the dark ones vote for them and see where it gets them !

[Litvish]

Why do the frumiks vote Republican?

Because they are sheep who are told by their masters whom they should vote for.

Because they are so ignorant and self-centered that they have not even the most basic understanding that they are voting for the enemies of America and of people like them. They simply don't care about anyone but themselves; that is so obvious. That is why they are universally despised by most Americans and the rest of the Jewish community.

Because they believe the lies and nonsense that their leaders and media spout.

Basically, because they are totally lost, worshipers of religion ( avodah zorah) instead of hashem.

[p]

Why Haredim Now Vote Republican

I guess this means that we should be voting democratic.

[SkepticalYid]

If Waiting4Moshiach is pro-Republican that is reason enough to vote for the Green party

[Shmuel]

Erratum:

Bet shemesh is not west bank!

[Rebitzman]

Because they are sheep who are told by their masters whom they should vote for.

Not big on name calling, but in the case of an entire group of people voting as one because a relics leader told them to......

"Sheep" or "Lemmings" are the only words that seem to fit.

[jvliv]

The phenomenon is not surprising if anyone understands the mechanism of ignorance. Which the article kind of addresses.

1-Education. Agreed. Many male Haredim receive no secular education after eighth grade. Even before that, secular subjects are taught late in the afternoon after students have spent four to six intense hours on Jewish studies—so students are often less attentive. Most of these schools don’t teach civics. In other words,they are totally IGNORANT TO the realms of life outside their enclave.

2-vote against their apparent self-interest. For example, Hasidim are disproportionately poor and rely heavily on social programs created by and kept alive by Democrats. I would like to see what will the do if Republicans ever do away with these social programs. Obviously this tendency of voting against their own interests is related to (1); lack of education and ignorance, which leads them to massive bloc voting,since they lack the capacity to INFORM and decide by themselves. Tragic.

they will vote for candidates, who, like seek to cut those programs, confident that their leaders—and God—will protect the aid that benefits Haredim, and that politicians, fearful of losing the Haredi bloc vote, will find ways to do the same.

WRONG THINKING!Once it comes down to crunch, a true CONSERVATIVE republican legislator will not give a rats ass to loose the Haredi vote because all things consider, it is a relatively minority vote in the big scheme of things. CONSERVATIVE republicans will legislate to cut down social programs because in their view it creates a society of dependence on the state, aka, a parasitic society that leads to increase crime, deteriorate neighborhoods, etc etc. Ask any REPUBLICAN.

3-pro-Israel evangelicals made fundamentalist religious observance a Republican norm and are welcoming Haredim with open arms.
very important because the real reason why Evangelicals support Israel is not love to the Jew. The establishment--and continuation--of the State of Israel is essential to set the stage for the imminent return of Jesus. At the time of the Second Coming, these Christians believe, Jesus will descend from heaven, subdue all of Israel's enemies and take believers to heaven in what is known as the Rapture--literally, they will ascend to the clouds to be in heaven. This series of events ushers in the end-times. According to conservative Christians' reading of the Book of Revelation, this won't happen unless Israel exists in the Holy Land.

And guess what...believers mean those who believe Jesus is G-d Messiah. Last time I checked, we (Jews) do not even believe Jesus to be a rabbi!

So, to all my Haredi friends, enjoy your ignorance, shoot yourselves on the foot, but then don't come back complaining about Antisemitism.

[The Real Joe]

I actually agreed with most of what you wrote except for you dig at how Charidim only vote how their leaders tell them to anyways I really hope its true that frum people are starting to move to the right/Republican side

[SkepticalYid]

@TheRealJoe- when they lose all their social services, it will have served them right.

[The Real Joe]

Well the honest truth is that for better or worse a lot of the social programs are going to be cut its simply impossible to continue them its really just a cheep way for the democrats to keep the Jews and blacks as automatic voters the republicans for the most part are pro vouchers once the frum community get vouchers for the their kids in Yeshiva they won't be as poor as they are right now and might not need all of the welfare programs that the democrats hand out

[Chicago Sam]

Hey, I prefer mostly R candidates, but I sure as heck am not a Haredi, but a conservative and social liberal.

I know, oy larasha, oy lshechayno . . . .

Ha!

[Jeff]

once the frum community get vouchers for the their kids in Yeshiva they won't be as poor as they are right now and might not need all of the welfare programs that the democrats hand out

Posted by: The Real Joe | October 29, 2011 at 11:20 PM

Right... as long as you people are taken care of, who cares about what happens to everyone else? You're the center of the universe, aren't you?

And if the Republicans do get their way, it won't work to your advantage in the way you think it will.

[Whyth Socks]

Shmarya, you fact check your stuff? Beit Shemesh is in the West Bank?

[Shmarya]

I wrote that?

It was supposed to be Beitar Illit.

[David]

(The Latin sounding words at the end of the article are gibberish. Apparently Moment uses gibberish fake Latin text to block articles, and forgot to remove a line of it when posting.)

That's called Lorem Ipsum, BTW.

[David]

Strangely enough, Lorem Ipsum is sourced from a book by Cicero written 45 BCE called "de Finibus Bonorum et Malorum" (The Extremes of Good and Evil).

['Yechiel']

What a bunch of liberal shmucks you all are! Sore losers!
Nice to see people voting for the better of the evils; it's prime time.
Shmarya will unfortunately have to go out and earn an honest living; how sad...

[Jake]

And maybe they believe that Obama was a poor inexperienced choice for president in the first place.

[Garnel Ironheart]

So let me see if I get this straight: these Chareidim have formed a relationship with their local Republicans. They vote en masse for the GOP and the GOP returns the favour by helping them out or overlooking "things".
In other words, the same thing countless other ethnic and political groups across the country do with both parties.
What's next? Will you break the news that unions force their members to vote Democrat in return for labour-friendly laws? I mean, I'd hate to think such a thing happens but it could be.
So why can unions, Hispanics, Blacks, etc. do this but not Chareidim?

[Jeff]

What a bunch of liberal shmucks you all are! Sore losers!
Nice to see people voting for the better of the evils; it's prime time.
Shmarya will unfortunately have to go out and earn an honest living; how sad...

Posted by: 'Yechiel' | October 30, 2011 at 02:27 AM

Fuck you and your ilk, all of you. The prophets would have called you an abomination.

"Earn an honest living"? You insufferable imbecile! You do nothing here but defend people who are dead set against earning an honest living. You're too stupid even to realize that much. Shmarya performs a service by exposing the filth and degradation of your world to those who would otherwise be unaware of the extent of it (it's become impossible to hide it completely; there's just too much of it, now).

Can't you people hurry up and in-breed yourselves out of existence already? I'm tired of waiting.

[Gefilte Fish]

Chareidim: Sitting on your ass all day, "learning" gemara, and then making countless babies is not an honest living. Neither is selling red strings or other segulahs. You better hope that the Republicans don't come into power and take away your goodies.

[SkepticalYid]

Hey, think of the benefits- no more Section 8, SCHIP , FHP, CHP,medicaid, welfare, TAP funneled into yeshivas, no more student loans they can defraud. The whole hassidic economic house of cards will tumble down.

[Jeff]

Hey, think of the benefits- no more Section 8, SCHIP , FHP, CHP,medicaid, welfare, TAP funneled into yeshivas, no more student loans they can defraud. The whole hassidic economic house of cards will tumble down.

Posted by: SkepticalYid | October 30, 2011 at 07:40 AM

It would almost be worth it just for that reason. Unfortunately, a lot of people who actually need and deserve those benefits would be harmed.

Wouldn't it be sweet, though, to hear their cries of "anti-semitism!"? - because, of course, that would be the only reason the government would be doing it. The entire universe revolves around them.

Of course, if it does happen, they're too goddamn stupid and delusional across the board to realize it will be their own collective fault.

[Jeff]

So why can unions, Hispanics, Blacks, etc. do this but not Chareidim?

Posted by: Garnel Ironheart | October 30, 2011

And once again, Garnel - sometimes you make a good point, and sometimes you're just being an obtuse asshole. I swear I think you do it on purpose just to antagonize people.

[Jeff]

And maybe they believe that Obama was a poor inexperienced choice for president in the first place.

Posted by: Jake | October 30, 2011 at 04:07 AM

Oh, for God's sake! What do they know of the world outside of Monsey, Boro Park and Williamsburg?

Let them hold opinions concerning milk and meat. They are neither qualified nor entitled to hold any others (they aren't even really entitled to hold those).

[ah-pee-chorus]

jeff- youre on fire and i love what i see.
kudos on the well aimed vitriol.

[WoolSilkCotton]

The haredim hate blacks. There is no overstating how much they hate blacks. It is that simple. There is no other philosophy regarding how or why the frumma vote Republican.

They see the Democrats as being the party that blacks vote for. The president, a Democrat, is black.

Therefore, they vote for the opposite party.

Occasionally a black Republican comes along, like Herman Cain or Alan Keyes, who doesn't stand a chance at being elected.
The frumma get on board with praising him, knowing that there is no down side, because he won't get elected anyway, and you score points by coming across as "not racist".
They can then say the most vile things about Obama, but then claim "I'm not racist, I support Cain".
Yeah, like anyone is stupid enough to fall for that maneuver.

[Litvish]

I believe that most people are easy prey to demagogues who use emotion and fear to lead them like sheep.

Hitler, Stalin anyone?

The Republicans are masters of this. Just read the words of Karl Rove, master of Republican propaganda, who says over and over again that the truth is not the way to win elections; emotion and fear is the way to manipulate them.

The frumiks are mainly guided by fear, by emotion, by profound ignorance of this world. They easily respond to the Republican lies. It is not surprising that, social neanderthals that they are, they vote for those who spout hate and ignorance ( as trained by their masters, rebbes, and community "leaders").

The Democrats are not necessarily always on the right side but, for me, they are less obnoxious and hateful than the Republicans.

I do not vote party; I vote for individuals.

And, yes, if I found an honest, admirable, free thinking Republican against a Democrat who was not a good leader, I would vote for the Republican.

That, however, is happening less and less each year as the Republican party goes more to the right, more the surrogate of Wall St. and the enemies of the common man.

The current crop of Republican presidential candidate material is decidedly unappealing to anyone with even half a brain. I don't know where they find these people. If they were Jews they would probably be frum.

[SkepticalYid]

Posted by: Jeff | October 30, 2011 at 08:07 AM

Most likely they'll listen to propaganda from Glenn Dreck, Lush Rimjob or Faux News and blame it all on liberals anyway.

[Jeff]

jeff- youre on fire and i love what i see.
kudos on the well aimed vitriol.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | October 30, 2011 at 08:48 AM

This is a subject that pisses me off in no small way. I've arrived at a point at which I feel very strongly that we need mandatory testing for intelligence, sanity and developmental level, with minimal levels established as a prerequisite for voting (as well as reproduction). That would disqualify the vast majority of evangelicals and Haredim.

[Jeff]

The haredim hate blacks. There is no overstating how much they hate blacks. It is that simple. There is no other philosophy regarding how or why the frumma vote Republican.

They see the Democrats as being the party that blacks vote for. The president, a Democrat, is black.

Therefore, they vote for the opposite party.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | October 30, 2011 at 08:51 AM

Yep, I think that's a large part of it as well.

[Guest]

We all hate haredim because they are on every government program.

We also all hate haredim because they vote for the Republicans that are going to take away those programs.

What's wrong with this picture?

[Jeff]

I believe that most people are easy prey to demagogues who use emotion and fear to lead them like sheep.

The Republicans are masters of this...

The frumiks are mainly guided by fear, by emotion, by profound ignorance of this world. They easily respond to the Republican lies. It is not surprising that, social neanderthals that they are, they vote for those who spout hate and ignorance ( as trained by their masters, rebbes, and community "leaders").

Agree completely.

The current crop of Republican presidential candidate material is decidedly unappealing to anyone with even half a brain. I don't know where they find these people. If they were Jews they would probably be frum.

Posted by: Litvish | October 30, 2011 at 08:53 AM

The recent Republican "debate" was appalling. There was one, possibly there were two, people on that stage who didn't belong in a psychiatric facility - Romney, who is no prize, and possibly Gingerich, who at this point is nothing more than a sad old man whose staff didn't even have any confidence in him.

[Jeff]

Most likely they'll listen to propaganda from Glenn Dreck, Lush Rimjob or Faux News and blame it all on liberals anyway.

Posted by: SkepticalYid | October 30, 2011 at 08:57 AM

Hmph. Yeah.

I guess TV, radio and the Internet aren't assur if you're listening to someone who tells you what your rebbe wants you to hear.

[Guest]

Oh, and get this:

We all hate haredim because they are racists.

We hate haredim because they vote for Republicans who are racists.

We hate haredim because they hate Obama because they are racists.

Yet we also hate haredim because they will vote for Herman Cain, the black Republican nominee, for President.

What's with us?

[Guest]

And:

We all hate NK haredim because they are against Israel.

Yet when the haredim support the pro-Israel Republicans, we hate haredim for that too.

Are we serious?

[Guest]

We are so confused.

Or maybe the reason is:

We hate haredim just because they are haredim. All the reasons we give for hating haredim are just excuses.

We love Democrats because we are die-hard liberal ideologues.

And even if the haredim live their lives as liberals (not working for a living, on every government program, voting en masse for the politician that delivers the goodies, etc.) we will still continue to hate the haredim and love the liberals.

Just sayin.

[Jeff]

We all hate haredim because they are on every government program.

We also all hate haredim because they vote for the Republicans that are going to take away those programs.

What's wrong with this picture?

Posted by: Guest | October 30, 2011 at 09:21 AM

Oh, Jesus tap dancing Christ! What's wrong with it is that they abuse these programs and consider themselves entitled to them, while voting for those who would decimate those programs, and are too fucking stupid to realize they're shooting themselves in their collective foot - and the collateral damage will be those who genuinely need and deserve to benefit from those programs, not people who think it's their God-given right to sit on their holy asses all day learning "Toyreh" and having a dozen kids per family they can't afford.

For God's sake, does absolutely everything need to be spelled out for you people? With all of that Talmudic training, are you capable of figuring out nothing for yourselves? Are you incapable of even the smallest measure of self-preservation?

[Guest]

Oh, Jesus tap dancing Christ! What's wrong with it is that they abuse these programs and consider themselves entitled to them, while voting for those who would decimate those programs, and are too fucking stupid to realize they're shooting themselves in their collective foot.

Posted by: Jeff | October 30, 2011 at 09:34 AM

Interesting. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot. Are they that stupid?

Maybe most of them aren't on programs?????

[Guest]

Oh, and before I forget,

Since we hate that haredim are on all these government programs, shouldn't we be egging them on to vote Republican so that they lose all these programs?????

Wouldn't that make us all happy?

Or do we want the programs to continue for the other minority communities, just not the haredim?

Maybe I'm too stupid to understand why you only want other minorities to get government programs but not haredim.

[Jeff]

Maybe I'm too stupid to understand why you only want other minorities to get government programs but not haredim.

Posted by: Guest | October 30, 2011 at 09:45 AM

That is correct.

[Jeff]

Interesting. Why would they shoot themselves in the foot. Are they that stupid?

Posted by: Guest | October 30, 2011 at 09:39 AM

Apparently.

[Guest]

I believe that most people are easy prey to demagogues who use emotion and fear to lead them like sheep.

Hitler, Stalin anyone?

Posted by: Litvish | October 30, 2011 at 08:53 AM

Good point. Remember also that both of them were dictators who hated capitalism, free markets, pushed through national healthcare and national collectivism, and insisted on strong central planning. Of course, the power of central planning would be theirs.

If history is any lesson, it is the left that has shown tendencies of taking away people's freedoms, class warfare, populist propaganda, taking from those who earned and giving to those who didn't earn, and in general consolidating as much power as possible in the hands of the federal government.

[Jeff]

and in general consolidating as much power as possible in the hands of the federal government

Right - as happened during government expansion under Reagan? As your buddy Dick Cheney did when he used his puppet to orchestrate the war in Iraq?

taking from those who earned and giving to those who didn't earn

The irony is staggering. You really are incapable of seeing what's right in front of you. All you can do is hurl the term "Leftist" as an epithet. It's the dirtiest word you know.

['Yechiel']

Jeff says:
Fuck you and your ilk, all of you.
Jeff, Now?
I haven't realized until now how true my words were...

I always supported republicans and will continue to do so despite your drivel... I work for a living...

[Yochanan Lavie]

As an Independent, I think nobody should robotically follow one party or the other. Especially if some rebbe or guru tells you to. Examine the issues,and each candidate, and weigh the pros and cons.

[SkepticalYid]

Guest- as usual you're full of it. Hitler first banned unions , lowered wages, stripped workers of the right to strike and collectively bargain. Almost all of the underground resistance to Hitler in Germany was from the remnants of unions, social democrats and socialists.

The healthiest populations in the world are in Canada,Denmark, Finland, Norway and Sweden- those countries that have social democracy.

But then again, by the standards of the modern day Republican party- Nixon , Eisenhower and even Reagan would be considered too left wing.

[WoolSilkCotton]

++Yet we also hate haredim because they will vote for Herman Cain, the black Republican nominee, for President.

What's with us?

Posted by: Guest | October 30, 2011 at 09:26 AM++

What's wrong with you? Cain is not the nominee, nor will he be.

Nationally, the frumma and their votes are irrelevant.

The frumma are brainless robots, a vestige of medieval times.

Politicians will not confront them, because locally they have the votes and schmear money. And no politician wants to risk being accused of antisemitism, which the frumma love to do.

So go ahead and defend them. You and them deserve each other.

Happy Mountain Dew Day, everyone!

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[seymour]

obama could get 99% of the frum vote just promise a pardon to smr and the votes will come in

just like they did in skver for clinton

[WoolSilkCotton]

The frumma vote nationally has no impact. NY goes Democratic every time in a national election.

Clinton are her scheme with Skver intrigues me. She won by some 800,000 votes. The Skver bloc was less than 3,000. They couldn't have meant that much to her.
More likely, the Skverer bundled a massive donation to her.

So will a member of the Rubashkin family be visiting Switzerland, make a withdrawl of a few million, then bundle it up for Obama's reelection campaign?
There is no tactic too low for the frumma to stoop to, so I would not rule out such a thing.

[Korbendallas72]

There is no candidate on any ticket that I would consider voting for. There is no candidate who is pro-Jewish or pro-Israel, though some may make superficial claims.
We can't vote our way out of corporate control. We're all serfs. America is dead, and the government has become so overtly hostile to the Jewish people that Hashem started to irradiate the continent. Rather than let them perpetuate another holocaust, Hashem set them on fire. They know the score also, but they have to stay on schedule and maintain normalcy bias.

We are LEAVING.

[drudge]

Guest- u say very smart things. Thanks

[ultra haredi lite]

Jeff,
How do you define Charedim? Anyone Jewish who doesn't work and receives Government assistance? With 12 or more kids? Wears a black hat and jacket? Goes to the Mikveh?
I'm not sure where you live, because in the Lakewood community for example there are thousands of Charedi families who earn a very nice living and receive no Government assistance.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to Creedence (Fortunate Son):

Some folks are born, vote like rabbi says
Oy, they're red, white and Jews
And when the band plays "We want Moshiach now"
Oy, they point the canon at you, L-rd
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no rebbe's son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no chassidic one, no

Yeah!
Some folks are born welfare check in hand
L-rd, don't they help themselves, oy
But when the taxman comes to the door
L-rd, they have a mezuzah on the post, oy

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no holy man's son, no
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no chassidic one, no

Some folks inherit yeshiva deferments
Oy, they send you down to war, L-rd
And when you ask them, "How much should we give?"
Ooh, they only answer More! more! more! oy

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no chareidi son, son
It ain't me, it ain't me; I ain't no chassidic one, one

It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no chassidic one, nu nu nu
It ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no rebbe's son, nu nu nu

[WoolSilkCotton]

YL, outstanding as always!

[Maskil]

Ya know, Shmarya was always a very independant thinker, but as a Haredi he was hard-core Republican conservative, and now he's a bleeding heart liberal. It wasn't what the rabbeim said or the culture or groupthink. There is something way deeper. I have yet to check out Shmarya's comments on Moment, but there's a deeper link than voting "party line" (or what one thinks is party line) or, like most Catholics, voting against (3rd trimester) abortions as if it is the only issue and as if that really covers the "abortion issue." It's far deeper than that.

[SkepticalYid]

Maskil, if you haven't even bothered to read the articled your spurious and derogatory observations are pointless.

[rebeljew]

Why is there any question why frum Jews vote Republican? Many of the same things that had them voting Democrat for 50 years.

The R's are strongly pro-Israel. There is an anti-Israel or pro-left wing Israel slant to most of the D platforms, though there are still some hold outs. They are being cut away though. The R's are largely conservative minded, as are the Haredim. They tend to support vouchers, a huge issue. The R's tend to support religion in general, and they go out of their way to show that they are not anti-semitic. Unions are no longer a big issue for Jews, the last appeal the D's had. Face it. The frost is off the pumpkin for the D's and the Jews. They have lost the center. The Romney (Graham, Hatch, Pawlenty, Christie) wing of the R's is ascending, and the Leiberman D's are descending, and the right of the R's pulls them in a direction the frum Jews like.

[Jeff]

The Romney (Graham, Hatch, Pawlenty, Christie) wing of the R's is ascending, and the Leiberman D's are descending, and the right of the R's pulls them in a direction the frum Jews like.

Posted by: rebeljew | October 30, 2011 at 05:13 PM

Please. The Bachman/Perry/Palin faction is on the ascendancy. The party has been commandeered by wingnuts - and they did it to themselves.

[Jeff]

Very good, YL.

[Max]

Guest- as usual you're full of it. Hitler first banned unions , lowered wages, stripped workers of the right to strike and collectively bargain. Almost all of the underground resistance to Hitler in Germany was from the remnants of unions, social democrats and socialists.
Posted by: SkepticalYid | October 30, 2011 at 10:32 AM

Check this out:
http://www.infowars.com/occupy-phoenix-with-ar-15s/

[RightJew]

Why do the Jewish Liberals vote Democrat?

Because they are sheep who are told by their masters (Democrat party, ADL, AJCongress, AJCommittee, etc.) whom they should vote for.

Because they are so ignorant and self-centered that they have not even the most basic understanding that they are voting for the enemies of Israel, America and the Jews. They simply don't care about anything but their Liberal agenda; that is so obvious. They simply don't care about the fate of Israel under an illegal imposter "president" who surrounds himself with the worst Jew-haters in the country. They simply don't care about Democrat policies which are for the most part completely antithetical to the survival of heterosexual religious families in America. They simply don't care that the Liberal agenda is for the most part completely antithetical to Torah values.

That is why Jewish Liberals are universally despised by most Americans and also by sane, normal, non-Liberal Jews.

Because these Jewish liberals believe the lies and nonsense that the Democrats, their Islamic Messiah, and the Liberal Government Media Complex spout.

Basically, because the Jewish Liberals are totally lost, worshipers of pagan liberalism ( ie the new Hellenism-Avodah Zarah) instead of Hashem.

[Max]

Posted by: RightJew | October 30, 2011 at 05:56 PM

The new religion of secular Jews is the environment and global warming and food stamps for all and love of Muslims. It makes their bleeding hearts feel good. It gives them some purpose in life.

When you call them out, they get so defensive, they call you names and get personal, it's as if someone smacked their god. Just like the haredim get so wired up when you say something about their religion.

It's all the same religion crap.

[Jeff]

Because these Jewish liberals believe the lies and nonsense that the Democrats, their Islamic Messiah, and the Liberal Government Media Complex spout.

Just as you believe all the crap spouted by Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh and the gang at Fox News - your idols.

You haven't had an independent thought in years. Really, your such a classic stereotype it would be comical if it weren't so pathetic.

[Litvish]

RightJew

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Have a good khatsos.

[Chicago Sam]

Hey, Bachman is at least pretty to look at. But I would not vote for her, unless it meant voting against Obama.

Member Since: May 2011

Default Freudian Slip~Obama gaffe: President says billionaires should pay ‘Jew’ tax rate!!!
What, you haven't heard about this on the MSM???

Speaking at the Congressional Black Caucus annual awards dinner in Washington Saturday night, President Obama made a verbal slip of the tongue. While defending his call for the rich to pay more in taxes, the president said he didn’t mind people calling him a class warrior for merely asking a billionaire to pay the same tax rate as a Jew. Whoops! The president meant to say “janitor” instead of “Jew,” and he immediately corrected himself.

Personally, I think he meant to say "Jewish billionaire" and he half-consciously suppressed this phrase,but not completely, otherwise, his statement really does not make coherent sense.

[SkepticalYid]

@Max: both you and rightjew spout verbage that comes almost word for word from RW propaganda pundits. He calls liberals insane sheep and you try to call out his opponents as being defensive?

I could turn on the radio or Fox News and hear the same crap you two vomit , almost 24/7. So who's brainwashed?

[seymour]

Posted by: ultra haredi lite | October 30, 2011 at 12:32 PM

the issue is the lack of shame that many lie and cheat to get welfare in the frum community and it not looked down upon

it is completely acceptable to cheat to get those programs

how do i know my frum friends tell me

[Yochanan Lavie]

Thanks Jeff, WSC.

[Gevezener Chusid]

I was an adult member of a Hassidic sect for 20 years.

Our leaders NEVER EVER told us HOW to vote or WHOM to vote for in ANY election whatsoever.

The DID tell us that it was our religious obligation to vote, however.

The religious community has moved toward the Republicans because the Republican party's conservative values are a better reflection of their values with respect to Israel, abortion, sexual issues, and economic issues. (Since they believe that God gives everyone their parnossa, the idea of social engineering to redistribute wealth is antithetical to belief in Providence.) The fact that so many religious Jews are on the dole doesn't mean they APPROVE of the dole - but they will take advantage of it as long as it is available. And why shouldn't they?

[Gevezener Chusid]

As for me I am an unrepentant liberal and my only problem with the Democrats is that they have lurched to the right in order to mollify the fascists in the Rethuglican party.

Basically, however I believe all American politicians of all parties are parasites who should be shown the door.

[Maskil]

SkepticalYid,

Maskil, if you haven't even bothered to read the articled your spurious and derogatory observations are pointless.

Okay, I read it. Great article. And I agree with it for most Orthodox Jews, and think it is akin to the Catholic vote. I alluded to comments posted here trying to "explain" the rationale of the phenomenon, each person from his own experience. It was neither "spurious" nor meant to be "derogatory." As a Haredi I didn't vote at all, but when I did follow politics I leaned ideologically to the social conservatives and the fiscal conservatives, but I rooted for (and persuaded others to vote for) social liberals and fiscal conservatives. The economy - long term - and financial independence of the United States, as well as insured freedoms of any kind were always essential to me (I simply couldn't figure out how registering in a country with a selectively enforced legal system could make any difference, and until today I still struggle with issues of probability and statistics). But watching Shmarya transition from hard-line Kahanist, pro-war-in-Iraq fanatic to bleeding-heart-liberal in perfect tandem with his proximity to Haredism is still not addressed by the article nor by the spurious observations of the commenters here.

[Max]

WTH, I'll say it again. It gets you liberals so defensive, it's pathetic.

The new religion of secular Jews is the environment and global warming and food stamps for all and love of Muslims. It makes their bleeding hearts feel good. It gives them some purpose in life.

When you call them out, they get so defensive, they call you names and get personal, it's as if someone smacked their god. Just like the haredim get so wired up when you say something about their religion.

It's all the same religion crap.

[Max]

Gotta love it:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/30/coulter_on_politicos_smear_of_cain_liberals_terrified_of_strong_conservative_black_men.html

[Max]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/30/coulter_on_politicos_smear_of_cain_liberals_terrified_of_strong_conservative_black_men.html

[Steven]

The Haredim vote Republican because they are anti-semetic.

Let me explain. A good friend is an Orthodox rabbi who is not black hat but to the right of Modern Orthodox. During the 2006 election, his daughter, who was about 14 at the time, explained to me that all the voting members of the family were voting for George W. Bush because he was a 'man of faith.'

I was not going to get into a political discussion with a 14 year old but the connection clearly was that Bush had faith, they had faith, therefore they were alike.

The problem is that the part of the GOP that has faith is overwhelmingly non-denominational Protestant and what used to be called 'low' Protestant. Those people are the ones who positively state that it is their mission to convert Jews (Southern Baptist), fund Jews for Jesus, etc.

There is a 'chavurah' not too far from me. It meets on Friday nights. Quaintly, they use the term G-d on their web page. It has a nice drawing of a bearded man dressed as one might think appropriate 2000-ish years ago blowing a shofar and a Star of David next to him. They "gather to study the scriptures to see the unity in the Bible. Rather than using curriculum we call upon G-d’s Spirit to enlighten us as we examine parallel passages in the Old and New Testaments." Needless to say, they meet in a local church.

Some of these, otherwise well-meaning, Christians love to say upon meeting a Jew that Jews are their older brother. I am never certain how to take that. There is a history of Christian theology of viewing the Jacob and Esau story as being a metaphor for Jews and Christians, namely that the older serves the younger.

The Catholic Church during Vatican II (with the considerable lobbying Abraham Joshua Heschel) rejected its history of supersessionism.

I would venture that few Haredim know this narrative. And if they do, they believe that their children will not be affected. Many look askance at non-Haredi Jews and if those children are affected by these people, it doesn't really count.

But if one worries about true klal yisrael, then one has to be very careful of the wholesale embrace of the GOP.

[Jeff]

The problem is that the part of the GOP that has faith is overwhelmingly non-denominational Protestant and what used to be called 'low' Protestant. Those people are the ones who positively state that it is their mission to convert Jews (Southern Baptist), fund Jews for Jesus, etc...

But if one worries about true klal yisrael, then one has to be very careful of the wholesale embrace of the GOP.

Posted by: Steven | October 31, 2011 at 12:38 AM

Agree completely. The bottom line is that for all of their recently manifested Judeophilia, they still think we're all going to hell (although I understand they may be willing to grant dispensations to those who vote precisely as they do). That tells me all I need to know about them. However, whenever I bring this up, some Jew who considers himself a conservative pundit - like the two rocket scientists posting comments above - tells me, "Well, WE don't believe it, so why do you care?"

I've been told Israel needs their monetary and political support, and I've been told it doesn't. I don't feel I understand the situation well enough to have an opinion (I'm not sure anyone does, certainly not those who are so vocal about it). I'd like to believe it doesn't, but if it does, I can understand the pragmatic necessity of getting into bed with these people - but let's not lie to ourselves. Let's admit that it's a marriage of convenience. However, no Jew has ever said to me, "Yes, they're psychotic, and their beliefs are obscene, but we need them, so shut up and don't make trouble." Instead, all I've ever heard is, "WE don't believe it, so why do you care?" - over and over, like a broken record.

I don't even want to speak to someone who thinks I'm going to hell; I certainly don't want to take money or political favors from him. That it doesn't seem to bother these people at all - this absolutely floors me.

[Jeff]

As for me I am an unrepentant liberal and my only problem with the Democrats is that they have lurched to the right in order to mollify the fascists in the Rethuglican party.

Basically, however I believe all American politicians of all parties are parasites who should be shown the door.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | October 30, 2011 at 10:41 PM

I agree with this as well; however, this:

The fact that so many religious Jews are on the dole doesn't mean they APPROVE of the dole - but they will take advantage of it as long as it is available. And why shouldn't they?

I don't even know how to respond to. You can't possibly believe this.

[ultra haredi lite]

On a serious note, what would be the difference between the following two scenarios:
young married medical student applies for student aid and loans (which are government subsidized) to help through college and internship.
young married rabbinical student applies for government assistance to help through rabbinic training.
it may take the doc a number of years to repay his loans, and the rabbi to wean off the assistance.
One will heal, one will educate.

[ultra haredi lite]

Jeff,
I hate to break it to you, but in a community like Lakewood a very significant percent of Kollel members study for 3-8 years receive their semicha which they study extremely hard for (the tests were recently made much harder), take rabbinic training programs, or teaching training and find jobs. Others take various courses such as accounting business, or go to college and enter the work force.

Your broad angry painting the entire charedi world with a negative brush is entirely unsubstantiated. Are there problems? Sure! Every community has problems. No one is perfect. But over all people strive to live wholesome, honest lives.

And seymour, you're wrong, most DO look askance at dishonesty and cheating.

[Jeff]

it may take the doc a number of years to repay his loans, and the rabbi to wean off the assistance.
One will heal, one will educate.

Posted by: ultra haredi lite | October 31, 2011 at 06:07 AM

Yes, but eventually, both will be self-sufficient. They don't intend to live this way for the rest of their lives and have a dozen kids in the bargain.

And it depends upon what kind of rabbinical student he is. Liberal or Modern Orthodox - sure. Haredi - no. No one needs Haredi rabbis. The Haredim simply don't need to exist. Like their regressive evangelical counterparts, they're an anachronism. They've outlived their time, yet not only do they refuse to progress into modernity, they insist upon clinging, increasingly, to a fictionalized past that never really existed, and reinforcing that clinging through the enactment of stringencies that are absurd, counterproductive and only remotely based upon normative halachah.

[rebeljew]

The Bachman/Perry/Palin faction is on the ascendancy.

The polls seem to disagree with this contention. Probably, because the contention is false.

[RightJew]

Reply to Jeff:
"The fact that so many religious Jews are on the dole doesn't mean they APPROVE of the dole - but they will take advantage of it as long as it is available."

If the Rational Right were to take power, Liberal Nurenberg style Racial Supremacist programs (Affirmative Action, Diversity, etc.) would be eliminated, and American jobs would be reserved for American citizens based on merit alone (instead of professional jobs now going to third world affirmative action immigrants). Many more Chareidi and Orthodox Jews would find employment and would no longer need entitlement programs.

The bottom line: Some Jews would lose their entitlement programs, but many jobs would open up for Jews, and urban areas would be much safer as illegal alien criminals are deported. In addition the huge amounts of Jewish tax money now being transferred to illegal alien criminals would instead be used for Jewish schools via vouchers.

[Barry]

Ultra Haredi Lite

There is a difference between education and indoctrination.

Indoctrination is the process of inculcating ideas and attitudes. It is often distinguished from education by the fact that the indoctrinated person is expected not to question or critically examine the doctrine they have learned. As such the term may be used pejoratively, often in the context of education, political opinions, theology or religious dogma. Instruction in the scientific method, in particular, cannot properly be called indoctrination, in the sense that the fundamental principles of science call for critical self-evaluation and sceptical scrutiny of one's own ideas, a stance outside any doctrine.

The government has a duty to support education and an obligation not to support indoctrination, therefore it should support the medical student but refuse support to the kollel indoctrinee .

[Jeff]

Posted by: RightJew | October 31, 2011 at 09:50 AM

You're an abject moron. Everything you say seethes with your hatred of whatever your wingnut overlords define this week as the "Left" - and is, frankly, borderline psychotic.

Don't address me again.

[WoolSilkCotton]

++it may take the doc a number of years to repay his loans, and the rabbi to wean off the assistance.
One will heal, one will educate.

Posted by: ultra haredi lite | October 31, 2011 at 06:07 AM++

One will pay back his loans with interest, the other will never pay back a dime.

[Gevezener Chusid]

anti-semetic. THE WORD IS ANTI-SEMITIC (with an I)

[WoolSilkCotton]

++RightJew | October 31, 2011 at 09:50 AM++

You really do have brain damage.

[Eva]

"the real reason why Evangelicals support Israel is not love to the Jew. The establishment--and continuation--of the State of Israel is essential to set the stage for the imminent return of Jesus"- jvliv Oct 29 2011, 10:36PM

And the only reason hareidim do and encourage others to "reach out" to the goy--in what very little capacity they do-- is to usher in the Messianic era when Moshiach will abolish all religions except Judaism/Noahide beliefs.

[Gevezener Chusid]

advice to Jeff: stay away from proctologists.

[WoolSilkCotton]

++Eva | October 31, 2011 at 11:23 AM++

Exactly what hasidim or haredim "do and encourage others to "reach out" to the goy"?

Take a good look at Michelangelo's Last Judgment and you'll see where the Jews who are currently kissing Republican asses are destined, according to their beloved Republicans.

[Jeff]

Take a good look at Michelangelo's Last Judgment and you'll see where the Jews who are currently kissing Republican asses are destined, according to their beloved Republicans.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | October 31, 2011 at 11:59 AM

Bingo. This is the reason I said what I did above.

I understand pretending to them that they're our friends. I don't understand pretending to ourselves.

[RightJew]

All decent Jews (even Liberals) should be in anguish while hundreds of thousands of Israeli Jews are subjected to a round the clock brutal bombardment by the Islamo-Nazi subhuman beasts.

Under the same circumstances any normal country would have launched a massive ground invasion to stop the bombardment of its civilians at any cost.

Does anyone doubt that Netanyahu is being held back from defending Israel by vicious threats emanating from the Islamic/Liberal Messiah in the White House?

Do Liberal Jews realize that the last time Israel was able to mount a successful invasion of Gaza, a Republican was president, but as soon as the Indonesian Muslim imposter Soetero a.k.a. Obama took office, Israel had to retreat?

Does any Liberal Jew here have any regrets about voting for the Indonesian Muslim imposter Soetero a.k.a. Obama?

[Jeff]

advice to Jeff: stay away from proctologists.

Posted by: Gevezener Chusid | October 31, 2011 at 11:23 AM

Go back and read it again. It didn't warrant that response.

[Neil K]

I think it has a lot to do with Hasidim not watching TV but rather listening to Talk Radio. On TV they would find enough commentary on both sides of the aisle that would make'em think, on Talk Radio they're lucky if they aren't listening to a total conspiracy theorist.