White House Turns Down Rubashkin Petetion

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Sholom Rubashkin

Various Chabad and haredi sites have the following text of a response from the White House to the petition to investigate the prosecution of convicted fraudster Sholom Rubashkin:

Why We Can't Comment

Thank you for signing the petition "Call an Investigation into Allegations of Prosecutorial & Judicial Misconduct in the Case of Sholom Rubashkin." We appreciate your participation in the We the People platform on WhiteHouse.gov.

As explained in the We the People Terms of Participation, the White House may at times decline to comment on certain specific matters properly within the jurisdiction of federal departments or agencies, federal courts, or state and local governments in its response to a petition. For important policy reasons, this includes specific law enforcement and judicial ethics matters. With respect to law enforcement matters, the Department of Justice is charged with investigating crime and enforcing our laws. The Department also has mechanisms in place to investigate allegations of prosecutorial misconduct, including through its Office of Professional Responsibility. With respect to judicial ethics matters, the Judicial Conduct and Disability Act of 1980 vests primary responsibility for investigating and adjudicating claims of judicial misconduct with the Judicial Branch.

This petition calls for an investigation into allegations of prosecutorial and judicial misconduct in the case of Sholom Rubashkin and for action to correct the “gross injustice” in his case. For the reasons given above, the White House declines to comment on matters raised by this petition.

Let me put this into simple English for you.

The president can't get involved in specific legal cases because if he does, he prejudices their outcomes.

It's civics and law 101 – which is why so few Chabadniks and haredim understand it.

All the White House can potentially do is commute Rubashkin's sentence or pardon him – after the appeals process is over.

And he'll only do the latter if he doesn't read Rubashkin's DOJ file.

[Hat Tip: Rebbitzman.]

Comments

[Simple Jew]

B"H

Shmarya --- you are wrong. If it is CIVICS 101 -- then can you go on the record condemning the almost 50 congressmen/senators that have written to DOJ to express their concern with the handling of this case?

Why didn't Obama have a problem intervening in other CRIMINAL cases when he saw fit?

[Rebitzman]

Simple Jew:

Name one........

[seymour]

of course that was expected

the petition was for ideas to the white house for general public needs not individual grievances or to get a white collar criminal of the hook

if as others suggested, the petition would have been worded more broadly for instance to look at the draconian sentencing for white collar criminals and used SMR as an example the response might have been different, and maybe positive. In addition you might have had 100,000 of signatures. But you made it about SMR only so it only appealed to the kool aid drinkers

but again you guys do not care about the law, about any other white collar criminals that are in jail for many years, or any other criminals that maybe the government step over its bound, or judicial misconduct you only care that a a yid is in jail (I agree 27 years is outrageous but do think he was guilty, and would like him to get maybe 2-5 years)

and that is why you got the response you got.

but you will never learn , since the frum community is too self centered and really does not give a damn about anybody else

[seymour]

Simple Jew:

Name one........

Posted by: Rebitzman | October 29, 2011 at 08:38 PM

I am thinking

I wonder why simple Jew just did not say

the way he intervened in such and such case

instead he just made an assumption or statement with no backup, i guess since he has none

reminds me of the time I was in college and some said the Jews owned all the banks,

I asked name a few

they said well everybody knows.

i said not good enough name one,

they said citi,

i said that is owned 26% by a Saudi prince

they could not name one

just like simple jew

PS I did tell them the bank that a Jew did own

[Rebitzman]

Actually, SJ, to an extent, you have a point.

Early in his administration Obama DID wade into one or two pending cases (none that had been decided by a jury) and got roundly snacked by all sides for doing so. Good to see that he has earned.

Rubashkin's best chance with the Obama administration will come after the process ends, when he COULD agree to clemency.

However, I doubt it. Block voting be damned, there aren't enough Haredim to turn New York red (only place tgere'd be impact) and GE wild get more bang for the buck by releasing Pollard.

[WoolSilkCotton]

What a surprise.

All the frumma bash Obama 24/7 nonstop. Every frumma website insults Obama nonstop.

And now you want him to intervene on behalf of a frummer criminal?

Even if Obama pardoned every frummer criminal in the USA, the frumma would still hate him and never vote for him.

So tell me why he should lift a finger for any of the frumma.

[Yoel Mechanic]

All the frumma bash Obama 24/7 nonstop.

Ahem... 24/6

[Simple Jew]

B"H

For starters we have the case of Henry Louis Gates Jr and Sgt James Crowley,

Then we have oh uhm THIS CASE! don't you remember that our wonderful President publicly commented on the case of Rubashkin regarding child labor http://www.vosizneias.com/19708

Then of course we have the case of his aunt which he behind the scenes influenced.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/05/17/
obamas-aunt-granted-asylum-prevent-return-kenya/

then we have labor negotiations in which he involved himself:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/07/us-usa-railroads-obama-idUSTRE7957IB20111007

Then we have murder trial in which the president tried to tell the governor of TX what to do

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/05/wh-intervenes-in-texas-execution/

[Waiting4Moshiach]

How many Yidden marched with the colored when they were looking for their rites in the south? How many were killed by the goyim? And so now one of them is president thanks to all those liberal Jews in the city who go to fancy schools giving him plenty of gelt, and this is how he repays us! Yidden, better to give your money to your local yeshiva than to a liberal especially this one.

[skepticalyid]

1. He didn't interrupt the judicial process in the Gates case. He mediated between the two parties.

2.A judge granted the asylum- NOT the President. There is no documentation whatsoever that indicates he was involved in the process.

3. Labor negotiations are not relevant to your complaint.

4. It was an international scandal- the felon was a citizen of Mexico who was never advised of his right to meet with a mexican counsel.

You just won't accept the fact that the entire judicial system thus far including appeals has found Rubashkin's conviction to be valid.

[Simple Jew]

B"H

I was asked to reply with ONE criminal case he intervened in.

Only a liar would not admit the TX case is clearly a case he meddled in.

He tried to tell the governor of TX what to do in a criminal case.

That is clearly a case where the President intervened.

It took me 2 minutes to get that example... I would look for other but not needed.

[Simple Jew]

B"H

Skeptical yid -- why did you fail to answer this one also? Oh because you know I am right?

Then we have oh uhm THIS CASE! don't you remember that our wonderful President publicly commented on the case of Rubashkin regarding child labor http://www.vosizneias.com/19708

[WoolSilkCotton]

Yoel Mechanic, I thought about the 24/6, then I realized they bash him in shul on Shabbos too, so that makes it 24/7, LOL!

[Litvish]

How right you are about the frumiks hating Obama and constantly criticizing him and then acting shocked ---- SHOCKED ---- when he refuses to rescue their sorry asses.

What a truly pathetic group.

[FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican]

The response cited above can also be obtained directly from the White House site:
https://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/why-we-can%E2%80%99t-comment

There have also been a few articles published lately about that "We the People" feature of the White House website. It seems a lot of the petitions are for crackpot matters:

http://www.ology.com/politics/we-people-petitions-result-overwhelming-inaction

[Robert Wisler]

But we're Jews! The world is against us because they're unrighteous and we're the light of the world! We're entitled to special priviliges!

The constant stream of bitching about anti-Semitism is continuous and obnoxious. The world is quickly becoming sick of us whining and bitching about anti-Semitism. Cambodians suffered just as much as Jews did. So did Rwandans. So did Bosnians. The Ukranians suffered a holocaust in the late '20's and 30's by the Soviets. Why don't we decry those crimes of racial and political hatred just as loudly?

The guy was found guilty by a jury of his peers. The sentencing was according to guidelines permitted by the law. I feel sorry for Mr. Rubashkin's family, but, others have suffered greater unfairness (men convicted of murder who have been later found innocent by DNA evidence etc). Let's decry those crimes against innocent men just as loudly.

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Simple Jew | October 29, 2011 at 09:26 PM

You never, ever process any information anyone tells you when that information proves you wrong.

You do that because you are profoundly intellectually dishonest.

But what you don't realize is that most people who read your comments see a pathetic apologist for a convicted felon.

You should think about that.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

The retards on VIN, based on their comments, actually thought this asswiping of a petition would help. What jagoffs.

[Dave]

Actually, Robert, although this is a bit off-topic, there is a solution to anti-Semitism. I have the answer: promote Judaism online and in person among minority groups in North America and Western Europe and among non-Muslim populations in the rest of the world.
Within 30 years, we'll be 180 million Jews worldwide and no more anti-Semitism, and no problems for Israel again ever.
It's such an obvious solution. We will succeed because Judaism includes a highly intellectual philosophy which can appeal to millions. However, if the racists among us prevail, then of course this effort will not succeed. However, I am sure that the racists among will lose and be marginalized, since the benefits to us and to the world will be immeasurable.
If anyone's interested in helping me, please e-mail me at superdave8002@hotmail.com
I am very serious about this. I am sure that, with Hashem's help, it can certainly be done.

[SkepticalYid]

Simpleton Jew: I made it clear- he intervened in the Tx case because the state of Texas broke an international agreement which bind the US to inform the citizen of any other country arrested for a crime that they are entitled to speak to their Embassy. Are you to frigging stupid to read and understand ??

[seymour]

Posted by: Robert Wisler | October 29, 2011 at 10:03 PM

they won't and will not care if it not a frum yid

[Rebitzman]

Only a liar would not admit the TX case is clearly a case he meddled in.

After the appeals process had been concluded, yes he did.

Exactly as Shmarya said and EXACTLY when he might wade into the Rubashkin case.

Thank you for your example.

[SkepticalYid]

It's interesting to see how easily they choose to forget that it was Bush's NLRB that was fining Rubashkin big-time. It was Bush's EPA that went after them in Pa. for massive pollution. It was Bush's ICE that raided Agriprocessors and initiated the criminal proceedings.

[Rebitzman]

@SkepticalYid

Yeah, but Obama made him do it.

[SkepticalYid]

@Rebitzman

Don't be surpassed if your humorous comment is incorporated in their mythology.

[Shmarya]

Simpleton Jew: I made it clear- he intervened in the Tx case because the state of Texas broke an international agreement which bind the US to inform the citizen of any other country arrested for a crime that they are entitled to speak to their Embassy. Are you to frigging stupid to read and understand ??

Posted by: SkepticalYid | October 29, 2011 at 10:19 PM

I hate to say this but, apparently, he is.

[jvliv]

@Shmarya, sorry to correct you , but you are mistaken nevertheless when you say "The president can't get involved in specific legal cases because if he does, he prejudices their outcomes."

I think you probably meant is that it will be an interference of the EXECUTIVE branch with the JUDICIAL branch in a republic where there is separation of powers among LEGISLATIVE, JUDICIARY and EXECUTIVE branches.

I do agree with you that I do not expect the Haredi or Chabad folsk to understand the meaning of separation of powers since their equivalent of secular education does not go beyond an 8th grade level.

[seymour]

this whole petition is bull shit

the people who signed this just want him out of jail today.whole thing is a smoke screen, they do not believe one word of the petition

what they really want to say

A FRUM YID DOES NOT GO TO JAIL. PERIOD. YOU ARE A GOY AND HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE US.

they just cannot say that openly

[OMG]

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | October 29, 2011 at 08:51 PM

I agree with you analysis, but the truth is that, we don’t need to get to your explanation, the petition, which is a political move, is meddling in a law enforcement matter, demanding that the President investigate the Department of Justice. If the President gets involved, he could be impeached, because that is called obstruction of justices. The President is precluded from getting involved in criminal investigations, there are rule of laws, which a defendant must follow, and the President must uphold. This is not a monarchy, were a king could influence justices.

What irks me, that even after the executive branch made it clear, that they cannot legally comment on the case, we still have people on VIN who moan and groan. It really goes to show how educated the charediem are.

[OMG]

Posted by: seymour | October 29, 2011 at 08:40 PM

Excellent comment, may I add that the way you purpose the petition should be crafted, as a request for second look how white collar sentencing guidelines should be revamp, that would be political in nature and the President could easily take a position. Nevertheless, the current petition is crafted as a legal issue, which precluded the Whitehouse, from meddling.

[Yoel Mechanic]

Yoel Mechanic, I thought about the 24/6, then I realized they bash him in shul on Shabbos too, so that makes it 24/7, LOL!

I too thought of that, and thought you would think of that. But then I thought that I should think Dan L'Chap Schut, they would think Shabbos is a Jewish Holiday and only bash George Soros.

ps: he funds J-Street, even though they denied it publicly for a long time.

[michaelbled@yahoo.com]

Rubashkin is a criminal. He was rightly convicted.

The Justice department is not anti-semitic. Justice was served.

Anyone that believes otherwise is a fool.

See you in hell.

[Proton Soup]

lol, check out all that boilerplate. copypaste text in fields A, B, & C, select form D, and hit SEND.

your best bet here would be to figure out what Jim Rich did, so that you can realize you have no real power or money to speak of.

[Russian PhD]

It is amazing for Haredim (incl Chabadniks despite their look-like modernity) do not know very basic legal concepts. They never heard about separation of powers and what are executive and judiciary. The President for same as Russian Tzar that can do everything. Jewish or pro-Jewish Congressmen or Govt officials in their eyes like middle-age nobles or rich merchants that know the right way to the king.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Tonight, erev Halloween, is the 3rd anniversary of the Mountain Dew Extravaganza!

http://www.crownheights.info/index.php?itemid=14011

In the zchus of that auspicious event, may Rubashkin remain in prison for the full 27 years.

If he was released even one minute sooner, he would immediately return to cheating and stealing. The American public must be protected from him. He is unfit to remain free in civilized society.

[PARSHANDATA]

dear hussein.a/k/a-barak h obama
as democrats you lost three votes which usually vote democrats,either those three or even four will not vote or vote republicans,thank you mr rubashkin for alerting us of the incoming husseinism of the usa

[Rebitzman]

dear hussein.a/k/a-barak h obama

Your xenophobic rant leaves one wondering......was he REALLY a democrat?

I know how I'm answering that question.

[Alex]

Shmotta declaims: The president can't get involved in specific legal cases because if he does, he prejudices their outcomes.

Need I say more.

[ahad ha-am]

the next big step is for Shmarya,would be to follow up on how chabad is paying back to the administrators of agri... the millions that s r the thief, gave to CHABAD. perhaps his interest will be piqued to follow this up. so far its the lewins earning fabulous sums of money and the simple jews funding their lifestyle.if it where not so serious, to sit in goal untill 2033, this would be a laughing farce.

[seymour]

If he was released even one minute sooner, he would immediately return to cheating and stealing. The American public must be protected from him. He is unfit to remain free in civilized society.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | October 30, 2011 at 07:44 AM

true since what counts most to him is the opinion of the frum community and according to them he did nothing wrong and is really just a oppressed tzattiuk.

maybe if the community would condemn him for his action and shun him for a period of time then maybe he would not return to his old ways

but we all know that will not happen

[A E ANDERSON]

The petition seemed rather silly, considering that רובם ככולם Lubavitchers are rabid Obama haters. Had Chabad delivered some kind of electoral or other favour, or maybe, maybe if Rahm was still on the inside...

About the only person more hated in Clown Heights than Barak Hussein Obama is our moderator, Shmarya Rosenberg! ;-)

[Simple Jew]

B"H

Skeptical and Shmarya

Say whatever you want but you have both failed to address the fact that OBAMA did publicly ridicule AGRIPROCESSORS.

source: http://www.vosizneias.com/19708

So while it was ok for him to bash them it suddenly is not ok for him to involve himself in anyway with the case.

He is a pragmatist and he or his staffers have decided the case is not worth his time.

Why does Obama make public statements on the occupy Wall Street situation instead of saying "there is a current police investigation and cases before court system so I can not comment at the present time"

But Obama comments on anything Obama wants to.

[WoolSilkCotton]

The president can do whatever he wants, because he's the president.

Simple Jew, your hero Rubashkin is just another crook who got caught.

Members of his cult, who include Chabad rabbis who happen to have some politicians on speed dial, are making the biggest stink they possibly can, but there is no up side for the president to get involved. The frumma have made it clear that they hated him from Day #1.

Try bundling about $10 million for the reelection campaign and the DNC, and maybe then you can get his attention. Find out how much Marc Rich or the Skverer paid.

[What kind of goyishe name is Harold z"l?]

Say whatever you want but you have both failed to address the fact that OBAMA did publicly ridicule AGRIPROCESSORS.
Posted by: Simple Jew | October 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Are you really that stupid? That was in Aug. 2008. Obama was not the president yet. He ridiculed Agriprocessors as did all sane citizens of this country. Sigh, Simpleton, there is no cure for stupid.

[rebitzman]

vosizneias.com is your source? A source SO reliable they hide behind a curtain so no one will know who they are?

Man, that's the first thing I look for in a news source.

BTW - in your own source, you'll have to show me where it mentions a company name - or any name for that matter..........

[Yosef ben Matitya]

usually, people who describe themselves as "simple jews" are neither simple anything and very seldom 'plain' jews.

[Shmarya]

B"H

Skeptical and Shmarya

Say whatever you want but you have both failed to address the fact that OBAMA did publicly ridicule AGRIPROCESSORS.

source: http://www.vosizneias.com/19708

So while it was ok for him to bash them it suddenly is not ok for him to involve himself in anyway with the case.

He is a pragmatist and he or his staffers have decided the case is not worth his time.

Why does Obama make public statements on the occupy Wall Street situation instead of saying "there is a current police investigation and cases before court system so I can not comment at the present time"

But Obama comments on anything Obama wants to.

Posted by: Simple Jew | October 30, 2011 at 12:07 PM

Look. Lets be frank.

You're ignorant.

The story on VIN you cite is dated several months B-E-F-O-R-E the 2008 presidential election.

That means Barack Obama was a US Senator from Illinois, not the President of the US, when he made that statement (which doesn't even mention Agriprocessors by name, BTW).

You're in a cult.

You're there because you're very ignorant and living in a cult framework gives you comfort.

But the rest of us shouldn't have to listen to your ignorant unsubstantiated rantings.

I'm being as polite as I can here, but the meaning of ignorant should be clear to you.

[Alex]

Why add fuel to an evil man's arson as anything sensible you might contribute will only end up as ashes. If your purpose is to further indict him with his own words, it is long past necessary. If you are trying to encourage the puerile filth he attracts then you are violating the prohibition of placing a stumbling block before the blind. Truly, it is best to leave him be to bask in the glory of his own ranting from his lonely soapbox until the day he collapses in an apoplectic fit. Patience, the evil ones get theirs in the end, just ask Shmotta. In this case best that you can do is ignore him and encourage others to do the same.

[Adams]

let them redo the petition then. to more general request regarding the excessive fed guidelines in this sort of thing. there is still time.

[rebeljew]

I would point out that the president did get involved in a judicial case of perceived injustice, later known as the "beer summit". Hopefully, he realizes how naive that was. It was early on. Apparently, the officer was well within his rights, and Obama admitted that he did not know the facts of the case, but prejudged that "The police officer acted stupidly". There was also an intimation that the complaining citizen was acting on racism. All of this fell away when the facts came to light.

However, Rubashkin does not have the advantages of the defendant in that case, though as Shmarya worries above, he may not read the facts. That did not deter him in the beer summit case. And there is another factor that will avert the White House from getting involved. Rubashkin actually was treated fairly from a judicial standpoint, and he had counsel of his choice, and no evidence of impropriety has been presented on the part of the judge and prosecutors that holds any water.

That leaves only the unfairness of the sentencing guidelines, and that doesn't help SMR if it is fairly applied. for Obama to help, he would have to change the guidelines, and then apply the new rule retroactively to everyone sentenced under the old guidelines. Obama appears to have other priorities at the moment, that would be a monumental task, even with his full focus.

SMR's best bet is to have Shea Hecht run for president in 2012.

[MICHAEL]

The President should try and not get involved in anything he does not have to get involved in. Look what happened when he got involved in helping Solyndra - now us taxpayers are on the hook for millions of dollars.

[SkepticalYid]

@SimplyPatheticJew- he specifically blasted meat plants for hiring minors. He spoke in general terms without mentioning Rubashkin. Big frigging deal!! You are really trying hard to create an argument based on your internet cut/pastes that has no basis. You're a pathetic half-witted ignoramus. I'm done with you.

[seymour]

let them redo the petition then. to more general request regarding the excessive fed guidelines in this sort of thing. there is still time.

Posted by: Adams | October 30, 2011 at 04:26 PM

never they do not care about others just theri own

they have proved that over and over.

[seymour]

what I do not understand, is why don't the frum just look at the situation and see no matter how hard they try SMR still sits. This should be a sign to them from heaven that hashem wants him to sit.

hashen is using smr as an example to all frummas

DO NOT COMMIT FRAUD BE ETHICAL AND MORAL STOP MAKING A MOCKERY OF MY RELIGION AND MY PEOPLE

since they believe god control everything he could of have done any number of things to make sure SMR does not sit but he choose to let me get arrested and convicted

for people who connect the earthquake in japan because of the Jewish drug smugglers or the earthquake in VA and the marriage bill in NY

How could they not see this simple sign from god

stop committing fraud

it is truly amazing

[Adam Neira]

There was zero chance that the White House would have intervened in this matter.

[ahad ha-am]

it is TANYA THAT GUIDES OUR DUAL PERSONALITY ,so one reads on chabad sites on the understanding of tanya. perhaps s m r has lost his duality. your president has made use and decided which duality made sense..in any event aleph should make an arrangement to give all bop prisoners of all faiths the tanya to read. then each could search out his true peronality and strive to better himself in moral and ethical conduct.my late aunt tanya has contacted me by way of a vision and caused this e mail to be typed .so here it is.