Hasidic PR Flack Says Rabbis Tell Followers To Call Police

Despite reams of evidence to the contrary, including the faact that rabbis knew about the alleged child sex abuse committed by Rabbi Moishe Turner for years but never called police or allowed their followers to call police, haredi spinmeister Yossie Gestetner tells media that haredi rabbis allow their followers to call police to report child sex abuse.

Also note that the Ramapo police detective interviewed could be understood to be supporting Gestetner's statement – until you realize that there are many active haredi child sex abusers in Ramapo and only a small number have ever been turned it to police, and those who have been turned in have for the most part been supported by the very rabbis Gestetner claims allowed them to be reported to police.

 

[Hat Tip: 613 Enforcer.]

Comments

[Guest]

In Lakewood, there was a child molestor two years ago, and Rabbi Salomon told the parents to go to the police right away. Rabbi Solomon was taken to Bet Din because of that by the molestor's family.

[613ENFORCER]

Gestetner markets himself as a media liaison/commentator on Haredi issues.

A Registered NYS Corp.
GESTETNER & COMPANY INC
Initial DOS Filing Date: JANUARY 13, 2010

His tag line is "Opinions Shaped by Facts – Not Ideology "

A JOKE!
He blatantly and repeatably ignores the facts!

[Deremes]

I don't know about this case.But many rabbis will say go to the police if they have clear evidence.What the rabbis don't want that people should go the police without consulting a competent rabbi.

[shoingenig]

deremes- according to what you say there are no competent rabbis to decide since this molestation situation is going on for the past 30 years and no rabbi ever told a parent to go police it is obvious you are going around in circles and youre in denial.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

I don't get what the issue with Gestetner is. He didn't molest anyone. He's giving his perspective that doesn't make him a liar. Mark Emma is a saint of a guy he investigated a case very very near and dear to me and if he says that he is seeing more cooperation over the last year especially when children are involved - which is precisely what he said in the piece above - then that means the "Monsey rabbis" have a hand in that increased cooperation when their people consult them.

I'm not the type of person that picks up a phone to order a pizza from the cleaners, so I would never call a rabbi when seeing any crime. But Emma was referring to the chareidi robot community and if he says there is increased cooperation then there is, period.

Gestetner ain't the bad guy, anyone named rabbi ain't the bad guy, and there's no hidden cadre of bearded people with bad teeth running around in worn out black polyester with dandruff riddled on the shoulders trying to hide every case anymore. There is increased awareness much in credit to this very blog. It would be a shame to not recognize the progress. And save the venom for the real bad guys - the piece of shit scum like Turner.

[Deremes]

Posted by: shoingenig | October 26, 2011 at 04:08 PM

For the most part all the years it didn't pass anyone's mind to go to the police and mostly no one even asked a rabbi.
A molester was caught,he was beaten up so badly that he never touched a child. And its still being done becuase not everyone believes in giving over a molester to the authorities.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

How do I get a fancy picture that stays the same with every post like this big macher 613enforcer? He's the guy I see in the pizza shop every day with 2 blackberries and 27 keys on his belt, 17 of which haven't unlocked anything in 15 years.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>Yossie Gestetner tells media that
>haredi rabbis allow their followers to >call police to report child sex abuse

Really which ones? How many reports? Any psaks he can refer us to? Rulings by a local beit din?

This is from Rav Dovid Feinstein's interview in a July 2006 interview with the Jewish Voice and Opinion on reporting abuse to the authorities (note Rav Dovid Cohen recruited Rav Dovid Feinstein to the 2nd bais din on the Rabbi Hafner sexual abuse case):
...
Rav Dovid Feinstein of the Lower East Side, in whose office the beit din was held, says the rabbinic court was called at the behest of the (removed) family who, somewhat belatedly, decided they wanted halachic approbation to call in the secular authorities. In fact, according to Rabbi Feinstein, this was not the first beit din that was called to adjudicate the matter. He maintains that, before going to the police in the first place, the (removed) had asked a beit din to decide what they should do. “When the beit din ruled that the family should not go to the police, the family decided the beit din was biased against them, and allowed the secular courts to take over,” says Rav Feinstein, who did not participate in that first beit din.

Personally Recruited
According to Rabbi Rottenberg, the second beit din consisted of five rabbis who were all personally recruited by Rabbi Cohen.
“He wanted to find the five best rabbis he could to sit on this beit din, because he wanted no arguments about the ruling,” says Rabbi Rottenberg, adding that when he hesitated to join, Rabbi Cohen called Rabbi Rottenberg’s parents to convince him to take part.
...
In general, Rabbi Feinstein says, it is a good idea for would-be accusers in the Jewish community to take their charges to a beit din before going to the police. “If the person is found guilty, the beit din would tell the accuser to go to the police; if the person is found not guilty, the beit din would tell the accuser to forget it,” he says. Asked if he knows of any instances in which a beit din referred a case to the civil authorities, Rabbi Feinstein says he does not.
...

[Dave]

Fartscroll is is because of you that serious stories like this make this blog obsurd this is a post that I agree with but then I read your stupid childish discription of Rabbi's you are an idiot

[jewishwhistleblower]

Defenders or apologists can't get around this. Rav Feinstein is clear in his interview. He knows of NO instance in which a beit din referred a case to the civil authorities.

Not one. None. Zero.

Anyone claiming differently has either failed to become informed on this issue or is lying to protect Daas Torah.

[shoingenig]

deremes- my neighbor tells me the same thing that you did that he got beaten up and that was the end but, i say how do you know if he goes to other cities or jewish neighborhoods that he is not going to molest since there no one knows who he he doesnt molest in his own neighborhood because they know him and he fears being beaten up but in other place he goes and does it beating up is not enough to really stop him a thinking person should go to the police where he will be publicized youre rational of beating him up does not hold water.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

Dave, the stool I said sayonara to about a half hour ago has more brains than you. But that doesn't mean I don't acknowledge your right to sit in in the dark in your basement trolling beast porn sites while occasionally tabbing over to failedmessiah to post a comment. We're all Children of the Lord. And if my description of rabbis offended you let me be first to say that I am 100% couldn't care less that you were offended.

[Guest]

In Lakewood, there was a child molestor two years ago, and Rabbi Salomon told the parents to go to the police right away. Rabbi Solomon was taken to Bet Din because of that by the molestor's family.

Posted by: Guest | October 26, 2011 at 03:29 PM

This is a good example of a rabbi that tells people to go to the police.

[Shmarya]

This is a good example of a rabbi that tells people to go to the police.

Posted by: Guest | October 26, 2011 at 05:01 PM

Not really.

He has regularly told people not to go to police and he has opposed outing pedophiles for years.

He's a criminal who occasionally makes the correct decision, often for the wrong reasons.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

My exposure to MS in Flakewood is the opposite of this guest, but I suppose even a broken clock is right twice a day. The tragic death of Shua Finkelstein A'H in my understanding involved MS and was not handled properly.

[anuran]

Figures Deremes would prefer anonymous mob violence to a real trial with real laws and real facts.

[seymour]

For the most part all the years it didn't pass anyone's mind to go to the police and mostly no one even asked a rabbi.
A molester was caught,he was beaten up so badly that he never touched a child. And its still being done becuase not everyone believes in giving over a molester to the authorities.

Posted by: Deremes | October 26, 2011 at 04:30 PM

yes i see how scared kolco was is and mondrowitz they do not do that

and even if the do all the guy has to do is molest someone in a different community

that is why they have a sex offender registry

goyim secular want to protect all chidren

the frum re only concerned about the children in their own little community and do not even care about other frum children

if what you say is true

[Betzalel]

Impersonating a rabbi? Oy!

Seriously, the PR guy that they hired is trying to minimize the damage to the name of the community by claiming that the accused is not a real rabbi. I don't know if this is a good PR strategy or not.

[Simple Jew]

B"H

One thing I find amazing about this blog is that so many liberal and open minded people are calling for violence/blood when it comes to a frum (alleged) criminal. But the same blog attacks individuals in Meah Shearim who "go to far" in trying to protect the sanctity of their community.

Hmm.... can you say hypocrisy?

[Dave]

Well Fart bastard you cared enough to comment so if i pissed you off I did my job

[613ENFORCER]

@Betzalel This is most certainly not a "good PR" strategy!
I assert the correct or legitimate prospective is to admit partial culpability, ALA Bill Clinton's "I didn't inhale " What this amateur and self proclaimed commentator and or liaison Gestetner should've said is "In the past the Rabbinical leadership thought it was beneficial to try and deal with the matter internally. The Rabbinate was of the opinion that internal pressure exerted on a perpetrators spouse and family would hinder a Pedophiles deviant behavior, thereby minimizing and forestalling unnecessary stigma to the orthodox community." "In light of recent and numerous cases we now know this method has not worked." ( Due to BRAVE ACTIVIST and the Blogosphere) "These matters can no longer be handled in a insular secretive manor. So in order to protect the community from these pariah's the consensus amongst the Rabbis is to promptly inform the appropriate police authorities!........."
 Instead Gestetner, as in prior cases is aggressively, feloniously and borderline   
malpractice representing his clientele. Thereby fulling continued coverups and abuse!
Gestetner  is a tool! 
An amateur!

[jack]

I"m not sure what Gestetner did wrong?

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

Pissed off? Yawn. Hardly. Entertained, yes. Good monkey.

[Sol]

I happen to think Mr Gestatner speaks very well and has his head screwed onto his shoulders pretty well. He is right that if a man has no Shul School following or Chasidim he just isn't a rabbi. The term "Rabbi" is used all the time out of place and it just makes me laugh. Remember the Dweck story?? 25 officials and 43 Rabbis were arreseted!! Just cuz they had a Bris Mila they automatically became rabbis. Nebech on the media

[Abracadabra]

Perhaps we should send Gestetner Ah-pee-chorus' list of excuses for Chareidi Apologists, being that he is a "Professional" Chareidi apologist (or "Apologist For Hire")!

LIST OF EXCUSES TO HELP HAREIDI APOLOGISTS

Please just refer to the number in front of the excuse you want to offer.

List created by AH-PEE-CHORUS with additions (where indicated) by Abracadabra, Rebitzman, and Mendel Mendel.

1. He's not Charedi. Shmarya photoshopped his picture.
2. He's not a REAL Charedi. He just dressed and acted like one.
3. He couldn’t have done it, he once gave tseddaka.
4. He was forced to rape children (substitute the crime as needed) by secular Jews.
5. The victims weren’t children but rather little actors who entrapped him.
6. He misunderstood certain parts of the Torah and thought he was doing a mitzvah.
7. He's a true tzaddik. No futher defense needed.
8. The accusers and their families are lying Anti-Semites.
9. Its loshon hara so that makes it not true.
10. Who cares what he did? Somebody was oiver the prohibition of mesira and that is what we should be concerned with.
11. If there weren’t 2 adult male witnesses to the act it never happened or doesn’t matter.
12. We must be 'dan lekaf zechut'...and by this I don’t mean the victims or their families, chas v'sholem, OF COURSE THEY ARE NOT TO BE TRUSTED. But we must give the benefit of trust and support to the poor predator.
13. This is terrible PR for the Frum community and Klal Yisrael. This should not have been reported to the police, but rather dealt with by a reputable Beis Din which can handle the problem according to Daas Toirah. (Abra)
14. He was framed by people out to extort money from him or his family (rachmana l'tzlan). (Abra)
15. It doesn't matter what he did, if he becomes a prisoner in a Goiyish country we have to collect Pidyon Shvuyim funds to free him! (Abra)
16. He is innocent unless proven guilty. Hareidim use the principals of the USA legal system to defend themselves when it's convenient, yet at the same time reject that system, saying that only their inept Beis Din is valid. Additionally, if a Hareidi criminal takes a plea bargain, Hareidi apologists say he was never “proven” guilty and therefore consider him to be innocent. (Abra)
17. What difference does it all make; he has certainly done tshuvah. (Mendl)
18. This is just another example of that ‘expletive’ self-hating Jew, Shmarya. (Variation: ‘Expletive’-you, Shmarya.) (Rebtz)

[Adam Neira]

Looks like how the Jews will deal with the problem of CSA may need to be a model for all the world. A combination of healing, truth and justice will do the trick.

[Dave]

Keep them coming Fart Man

[Captain Obvious]

In Lakewood, there was a child molestor two years ago, and Rabbi Salomon told the parents to go to the police right away. Rabbi Solomon was taken to Bet Din because of that by the molestor's family.

Posted by: Guest | October 26, 2011 at 03:29 PM

This is a good example of a rabbi that tells people to go to the police.

Posted by: Guest | October 26, 2011 at 05:01 PM

Guest-

You are a fool. Check the facts before you post nonsense. MS was SUMMONED to Beis Din (he never actually went) because of a completely different reason. In fact, the alleged "molester" begged to have the case taken to court as he feels he was unjustly accused. Unlike you, I know this because I spoke to him myself.

[No Light]

Simpleton Jew - why are you so invested in protecting men who rape children?

[Old time Lakewooder]

The Rabbi Weinberger from Rockaway/5 towns is completly different than the Lakewood Rabbi Salomon?

[Dovy]

If its the same gestetner who's head of a bais din in Monsey this guy is bad news.. After trying to get something straight with him for over an hour, I really felt like I needed a shower badly.

[Tol Foll]

i dare shmarya to name one case where shmarya has evidence that Rav Solomon told a family not to go to the police, and then subsequently the molester was convicted in a secular court. Name one case and present the evidence

i dare you. I dare you because you know there is not one case in all of human history where Rav Solomon said do not go to the police and subsequently the accused was convicted in court and sentenced to jail.