Gender Segregation Continues On Brooklyn Bus Line

Despite promises made to the city by Private Transportation Corporation's hasidic owner, the Brooklyn B-110 bus line is still segregated by gender. No signs forbidding such forced segregation were posted, and the bus driver did not intercede to stop hasidic passengers from coercing a non-hasidic woman to move to the back of the bus.

That woman is a non-Jewish Wall Street Journal reporter who inexplicably did not tell the driver that she was being harassed by hasidim. (Perhaps this is yet another example of Rupert Murdoch's News Corp's corrosive effect on the WSJ's reporting.)

But she did ask the driver if there is a rule that women must sit in back, and the driver answered that he didn't know – and this is after more than week of intense media coverage blasting the forced gender segregation, condemnation from NYC's mayor, and a public promise issued by the hasidic-owned Private Transportation Corporation to tell its drivers and passengers that gender segregation is illegal.

Whatever.

It is abundantly clear that my contention that the PTC's promise to the city that it would not discriminate by race, sexual preference, or gender was worthless, because that promise did not involve PTC drivers stopping hasidic passengers from coercing gender segregation and harassing those who refuse to comply.

And you'd think the city would send  inspectors to see if PTC is complying with the law – but it hasn't done so, and probably never will.

The lesson here is that hasidic bloc votes trump the law almost every time.

Perhaps when New York City's media do real investigative reports on that, this and other haredi violations of law will be brought to an end.

Comments

[seymour]

did a man ever try to sit in the back to see what happens

[seymour]

herideim and in addition a herdie institution lying to the government

that is earth shattering, never have I heard such a thing. lying is a sin and people who are so machmer not even to sit next to their own wifes and or daughters simply cannot lie which is a basic tenet that is prohibited in almost every religion and culture.

simply this story is false written by a antisemitic reporter of most lily a self hating Jew

[Barry]

The Hareidim will never accept sex equality or the need to follow civil law when it conflicts with their ideology, and it is unfair to expect a bus driver to get into frequent arguments with his passengers.

People who suffer from extreme religiosity and sexual sensitivity are mentally disturbed and cannot be argued with and it would endanger the bus driver's mental well being to even try to persuade mad people to act normal.

The way to ensure the law is complied with is simple. Just withdraw the franchise and have no direct bus routes between Hareidi neighbourhoods.

[Garnel Ironheart]

I told you: a law is only as good as the will to enforce it. Frankly I don't blame the UO's doing this. If the system lets them openly defy the rules and get away with it, why shouldn't they?

[FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican]

I found this story by Reuters:
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/21/uk-bus-women-idUSLNE79K04T20111021

This route does not appear in the MTA's list of Brooklyn bus routes:
http://www.mta.info/nyct/service/bus/bklnsch.htm#reg62

This bus company apparently doesn't get any mass transit subsidies. You can't really run a bus line in NYC without a franchise. So the cultural clash is inevitable.

[FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican]

Correction to my post of 09:41 AM. I meant to refer the the MTA's map of Brooklyn bus routes:
http://www.mta.info/nyct/maps/busbkln.pdf

The MTA maps include the routes of other bus operators as well.

[Korbendallas72]

These people must be stopped.

[Waiting4Moshiach]

Who cares? Only Torah Jews ride this bus, and Torah Jews are happy to have it this way man and woman. The only people who make complain are not there to go to work but to make trouble for Yidden. feminineists, the secular, and mosers. Why should we change to suit them? Let them live on the upper west side or in Queens and ride the subway. Brooklyn belongs to us and we have this bus.

[Rebitzman]

Why should we change to suit them

Oh ........ Maybe because what you are doing is illegal?

You want a segregated bus - buy a bus, run and mainain it yourself.

[seymour]

Posted by: Waiting4Moshiach | October 28, 2011 at 10:18 AM

wrong
or you are lying

many Torah Jews think this is insane but are not willing to speak up and become looked at as a rebel

[Korbendallas72]

Waiting4Moshiach is a sockpuppet. He's merely an instigator, a troll, and a troublemaker. I doubt seriously he believes a word of what he says.

[Waiting4Moshiach]

The toublemakers are the ones who are calling the police and the city every time they see something to give us trouble. Plenty of worse things happen in goyishe naberhoods. People get stabbed and they sell drugs right on thee bus and things I canot even talk about but do the television channels come out to investigate? No, only if a Yid is somehow involved. I don't see that Hashem will send us Moshiach if mosers can get away with this.

[Korbendallas72]

See what he did there? Because I called him out, he had to try and go over the top to come up with something to try and antagonize me and everyone else on the board. Son, I was trolling messageboards before you knew what they were.

[Rebitzman]

Oh......I get it. It the goyim break the law, that's bad, but if a black hat does it, he's religious!

Thanks for clarifying, Troll.

[seymour]

Posted by: Waiting4Moshiach | October 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM

the frum are always a little behind

drugs are already a problem

molestation is a bigger problem than by the goyim

stabbing are starting to happen we see that in Israel many times

forget about the mass murder that the Torah condones

[Korbendallas72]

Yeah, and segregated bus lines don't belong in America. Neither does Monsey or KJ.

[seymour]

for all you secular morons, I think you do not know history

when our great forefathers Abraham and the others traveled in their caravans don't you know they had separate caravans for woman and men

and the womans wagon was always way in the back

not only that their was no wagons for men in the back even when going through hostile territories. of course men could not stay in the back to protect the woman since men are not permitted to walk travel sit behind woman.

and to the question you may ask why does the Torah not mention this fact.

simply it is so obvious that it need not be mentioned just like it does not mention they went to the toilet

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

Look if you end segregation among the hassids you might get the really horny bastards to stop molesting their hairless youth which would put a serious dent into the hassids sex lives and they'd never stand for that.

[Junarchist]

Perhaps one day you'll finally wake up to the evils of government, but I wont be holding my breath. They don’t give two shits about you or women’s rights, all politicians care about it their reelection. Sheep

[seymour]

Perhaps one day you'll finally wake up to the evils of government, but I wont be holding my breath. They don’t give two shits about you or women’s rights, all politicians care about it their reelection. Sheep

Posted by: Junarchist | October 28, 2011 at 12:22 PM

maybe but they pale in comparison to religious leaders

[Junarchist]

seymour - religious leaders would be nothing without their government backers. Only the government has a monopoly on the use of force.

[anuran]

it is unfair to expect a bus driver to get into frequent arguments with his passengers

No. It isn't. A bus driver is responsible for making sure the relevant laws and regulations are followed on his or her bus. In some States drivers have the legal authority to conscript passengers to use force to eject people who violate those laws. And the police are only a radio call away.

[Dan O.]

Perhaps the answer is to have a park-in in all the bus-stops. Maybe we could block the bus in with "broken down" cars. Then it would be tit for tat - that's what was done to the bike lanes and bikers in S. Williamsburg.

Live and let live, my ass.

[Proton Soup]

if the gender discrimination is coming from this religious group instead of the bus company, then it's time to bring in the Feds, just like was done in the South against the Klan. you can sit where you want, but you can't bully other passengers. if you do, you personally assume liability for violating their rights.

next thing to do will be getting video of this behavior.

[A E ANDERSON]

"allowing passengers to harass women who choose to ride in any part of the bus, is not permitted on franchised buses"

This seems to be what's at the root of the problem. There's nothing to stop the haredi passengers from self-selecting to sit men apart from women. To be sure, many secular and even gentile women often prefer to sit next to other women to avoid contact or leering issues when seated in proximity of (some) men, not all of whom are SNAGs (here, not Chabad-speak for Misnagdim, but Sensitive New Age Guys).

Harassment is just once facet of the problem, however: while it is ususally argued that religious practices should be accommodated by the public authority, accommodation can itself become an establishment of religious practice when others have no choice but to participate.

[Jeff]

I don't see that Hashem will send us Moshiach if mosers can get away with this.

Posted by: Waiting4Moshiach | October 28, 2011 at 10:45 AM

Why don't you got to Gan Eden now and ask him?

[p]

These people must be stopped.

Posted by: Korbendallas72 | October 28, 2011 at 09:52 AM

You are absolutely right. Next thing you know all city buses will be segregated.

[seymour]

These people must be stopped.

Posted by: Korbendallas72 | October 28, 2011 at 09:52 AM

You are absolutely right. Next thing you know all city buses will be segregated.

Posted by: p | October 28, 2011 at 04:40 PM
maybe we should

chasideim to the back

they won't mind since they claim sending woman to the back is not degrading

[concerned individual]

All I can say is....I'm so glad i live in Australia.....the true land of the free

[Reb Chaim]

The haredim have succeeded in cowing the Israeli government to such a degree that they are now virtually a law unto themselves. They violate many secular laws with impunity in their schools and their neighborhoods. They are able to get away with this crap because of the weakness of the coalition government and their ability to bring it down. Almost no political leaders have the guts to confront them head-on. However this is the United States of America and we don't have to tolerate their stupidity. Our laws must be obeyed by everyone without exception for religious sensitivity. Segregation of all kinds on public transportation is against the law and no exceptions should be allowed for haredim or for anyone else. Otherwise, we Americans will experience the same kind of nonsense they have succeeded in perpetrating in Israel.

[Simple Jew]

B"H

Want to focus on something that is a civil rights issue?

Why don't you focus on the unconstitutional activity of NYPD stopping and frisking BLACKS and LATINOS (over 700,000 so far this year) for no real reason.

[Rebitzman]

Ah the old "rather than admit we're doing something wrong, let's point at someone else" argument.

No one is suggesting that violating civil rights - ANYONE's civil rights is acceptable. No one is justifying the violation of anyone's civil rights.

Except the Haredim posing on ths subject, perhaps.

[Sarah K]

It is interesting to see Seymour call other people morons when he doesn't know simple rules of spelling, grammar and punctuation. Only a "moron" wouldn't possess such basic knowledge.

[MM]

Sarah K., I cannot let your statement go unchallenged. Having spent my entire adult life teaching English at the university level, I can tell you that there are many reasons other than being a moron why people have difficult with the basic mechanics of English:

1. English is not their cradle tongue.
2. They did not have good educational opportunities when young (language can be very difficult to learn after adolescence).
3. They have dyslexia or other learning disabilities. I have had dyslexic students who wrote brilliant essays that looked like alphabet soup.

Lack of control of the mechanics of English does not equal (or even indicate) lack of intelligence.

[BIG MISTER F4GG0T]

Let's ride the bus