Alleged Chabad Sex Offender Violated Bail, Court Told

A security guard at Chabad's Melbourne yeshiva who has been charged with multiple sex offences should have his bail revoked because he was seen with children, prosecutors say.

David Cyprys

Originally published 10-24-2011 at 11:39 pm

Alleged sex offender seen with kids: court
Sidney Morning Herald

AAP

A security guard at a Melbourne Jewish school who has been charged with multiple sex offences should have his bail revoked because he was seen with children, prosecutors say.

David Cyprys, 43, who was a guard at Yeshivah College in East St Kilda, is charged with 29 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency relating to former students.

On Tuesday, prosecutor Karen Argiropoulos applied to revoke Cyprys's bail after he was allegedly seen with children "on the streets", in breach of a bail condition.
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The court heard that the day when Cyprys was seen on the streets with children was a Jewish holiday.

However, Cyprys's lawyer Stephen Payne said he had seven or eight witnesses who could account for his client's whereabouts between 10am and midnight on that day.

When it was suggested the matter be adjourned, magistrate Luisa Bazzani replied, "You want to put him in jail, but not today?"

Mr Payne also asked that the court vary his client's bail to allow him to visit his synagogue.

The applications to revoke and vary bail will be heard on Wednesday.

Cyprys, a father of two who also runs a locksmith business, is alleged to have committed his offences between 1984 and 1991.

Setting bail in September, Ms Bazzani ordered Cyprys to report to police daily and not have contact with any children under 16 without supervision, including his own children and those of his new partner.

Update 5:10 pm 10-25-11 – Here's a report from The Age:

Guard accused of bail breach
Sarah-jane Collins • The Age

A SECURITY guard charged with sex offences against children at Yeshivah College in East St Kilda is facing jail over an alleged breach of his bail conditions.

David Cyprys, 43, is charged with 29 counts of indecent assault and gross indecency relating to events during his time as a security guard at Yeshivah, an orthodox Jewish boys' school, during the 1980s and early 1990s.

Five of the alleged victims are in Victoria, five in NSW and two in the US. They were aged between seven and 17 at the time of the alleged offences.
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Cyprys, bailed under strict conditions in September, was allegedly seen with children without an authorised person present.

Prosecutor Karen Argiropoulos told the Melbourne Magistrates Court yesterday that Cyprys was seen with children at about ''9 or 9.30pm'' on a Jewish holiday.

She said police want his bail revoked because of the breach and there were witnesses that placed Cyprys with the children.

Stephen Payne, for Cyprys, said he would call witnesses that could account for his client's whereabouts that night.

The court will also hear an application from Cyprus to have his bail conditions changed to allow him to attend his synagogue, which is located within 100 metres of a school.

Under the bail conditions imposed after his arrest, Cyprys is banned from going within 100 metres of a school.

The court heard he was not able to attend a synagogue without breaching the condition.

Cyprys said he had not been to synagogue under the conditions and that usually he would attend most days.

A letter from Cyprys's rabbi was provided to the court to support his request.

Mr Payne suggested Cyprys should be allowed to attend the synagogue because services were held outside school times.

The court heard most synagogues were co-located with schools.

Both applications were adjourned and will be heard today [i.e., Wednesday].

Comments

[Steven]

Gee, he went to shule and there were kids there. Next.

[Aussie]

No Stephen....He is not allowed to attend Shuel....

Had you read the story you'd have seen it said..."Mr Payne also asked that the court vary his client's bail to allow him to visit his synagogue."...

[Yosef ben Matitya]

it's not to shul he went,
the poor guy had to go to mikve

[SB]

Cyprus was with his own children over yom tov and never alone with them. Whoever is agitating against him is motivated by rishas and is wasting everyone's time with unneeded legal proceedings. They are also whipping up fear and hysteria with their lies. They do not want to let the man have his trial and are bent on doing everything they can to destroy him. Why do people in the community believe what the media reports on face value? Don't they know the media lies and hypes and spins everything?

[Shmarya]

Don't they know the media lies and hypes and spins everything?

Posted by: SB | October 25, 2011 at 05:38 AM

Cyprys was less than honest in his dealings with me.

At any rate, he is barred from being alone with any children – including his own – and has other court ordered restrictions.

If he violated any of them he should be jailed.

[David]

it's not to shul he went,
the poor guy had to go to mikve

Posted by: Yosef ben Matitya | October 25, 2011 at 05:27 AM

A few minutes drive from where he lives is Port Phillip Bay. It covers 480,000 acres in area and has a shoreline of 164 miles. As with any large body of water it is a kosher mikvah and somewhere there he must be able to find a private place to dip (but not near children as per court order). He can go there if he must go at all.

[SB]

ASAIK he is allowed to be with his children if a court authorized supervisor is present.

[Shmarya]

ASAIK he is allowed to be with his children if a court authorized supervisor is present.

Posted by: SB | October 25, 2011 at 06:38 AM

If a court authorized supervisor is present – which allegedly wasn't the case.

[SB]

Allegedly is the key word here. People who were with him know a supervisor was present at all times when he was with his own kids and this will be proven in court.

[SB]

It is not true he is not allowed to attend shule. He can go anywhere, a shule included, as long as there is no school within a hundred meters. He went to shule on yom tov. The news is not reporting accurately as usual.

[Shmarya]

Allegedly is the key word here. People who were with him know a supervisor was present at all times when he was with his own kids and this will be proven in court.

Posted by: SB | October 25, 2011 at 06:52 AM
SB

I think what might eventually happen is that some of his friends and his girlfriend will be indicted for obstructing justice.

[SB]

So now you are a barrister? Look up obstructing justice because you do no know what it means.

[SB]

you do not know what it means. Telling the truth is not obstruction of justice. Why should anyone think you over there in America reading blogs and such know more about the real true facts than the people who live here in Australia and who know and are around Cyprus and the other involved parties?

[Meh]

SB people like you sicken me! You continue to protect a predator and make excuses for him. I am based in Australia and have seen the "facts" twisted so often when it comes to your community. Before you have a go at others about being misinformed how bout you and your paedophile friend start toeing the line and abiding by bail conditions?

[SB]

Meh how did you come to the certain conclusion that the bail conditions were breached? Allegations were made. The court will decide if these are true after examining the facts and somehow you have the power of prophecy and know in advance what facts will be established. Amazing. Do you know the next big Lotto winning numbers too? Meh people like you sicken me with your lack of respect for thedue process of law and your support of mob rule and chaos. What do you mean by 'your community'? You mean those Jews?

[SB]

Or maybe you mean 'you backward religious Jews'?

[jewishwhistleblower]

>The arrest comes a month after
>Yeshivah College security guard David
>Samuel Cyprys was charged with
>multiple counts of indecent assault
>and gross indecency after he allegedly
>repeatedly molested boys from the
>school between 1984 and 1991. When
>Cyprys appeared in the Melbourne
>Magistrates Court last month,
>Detective Senior Constable Lisa
>Metcher accused members of the
>Yeshivah community of lying to police
>and trying to cover up sex abuse
>claims. ''They failed to act in any
>way to protect children,'' she said in
>court.

see: http://failedmessiah.typepad.com/failed_messiahcom/2011/10/another-arrest-in-the-chabad-chaild-sex-abuse-scandal-345.html

Lying to police and covering up sex abuse claims. That's the allegation not of bloggers but of the police investigators and the allegation was made not in the blogosphere or press but in open court. If true, that's not only obstruction of justice but the reason that a special commission like the one in the OU/NCSY/Lanner case should be set up in the Australian Jewish community and any community leaders that were involved in any abuse cover-up should be exposed and removed from any leadership position. It should be done in a public manner.

Its not enough to only prosecute and jail the abusers. The enabler network must go as well.

That includes SB and his/her friends.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>Meh people like you sicken me with
>your lack of respect for thedue >process of law and your support of mob
>rule and chaos.

The same law that your friends friends respected when they helped former Yeshivah College teacher David Kramer flee the country when the authorities were on to him and allowed him to continue molesting children? He now sits in a US jail for molesting children yet again and is awaiting extradition for charges in Australia when his sentence is complete.

As to your friend Cyprys, he's a piece of garbage as is everyone protecting him. As it has been reported in the press "In 1992, Cyprys pleaded guilty to one count of indecent assault. He was fined $1500 but no conviction was recorded."

[jewishwhistleblower]

If the leadership of the Australian community want to actually lead, they should take concrete steps to publicly disassociate the community and its institutions from dreck like Cyprys and take real steps in support of the alleged survivors of abuse in their community.

I would also note that in Nachalot, Israel there was a sefer Torah commissioned by ay alleged pedophile that was recently burned according to the psak of Rabbi Michael Elkohen's Rosh Yeshiva. You can read about it at Rabbi Elkohen's blog http://mekubal.wordpress.com/2011/09/09/sefer-torah-burning/

The sefer Torah was commissioned on behalf of an alleged pedophile who has not yet been indicted (and was allegedly pary of an Orthodox pedophile ring of which several members have been indicted and several members remain under investigation). The psak was that a Sefer Torah written by a Apikorus must be burned. Thus it seems that a pedophile (alleged) was declared an Apikorus.

Based on Cyprys' 1992 guilty plea, I see no reason the rabbonim of Australia can't follow the lead of Nachalot.

[SB]

It is frightening to see that some of the bloggers here want to live in a society in which rumours, allegations, police investigations and charges automatically mean the person in question is guilty. This is called a police state and not the sort of country most Australians want to live in.

[Shmarya]

Please.

Cyprys already has a guilty plea for molestation, and he has several credible accusers for these new charges.

Under the halakha that you claim to follow but do not, that's even stronger than raglayim l'davar.

And that means when it comes to community honors, child safety and the like, we MUST consider him guilty.

But halakha isn't your strong suit, now is it?

[SB]

And you are a posek then? Ha! How do you know the circumstances of that guilty plea? but he paid for that crime and that still does not prove he is guilty of all that is written about him. In your world courts and trials are not necessary let alone halacha, no not at all since you abide by the rule of the lynch mob headed preferably by yourself.

[Shmarya]

Posted by: SB | October 25, 2011 at 04:15 PM

Unlike you, I actually know the halakha and how it works.

If you weren't an evident ignoramus, you'd know what raglayim l'davar means and how it is appled, and you'd know the evidence against Cyprys is stronger than raglayim l'davar.

When we had a functioning Jewish criminal court system, batei dinim used to convict on evidence like this all the time, and they regularly punished criminals – like Cyprys – based on this type of evidence.

No one is advocating a lynch mob.

But we are advocating that children must be protected and Cyprys must be considered to be probably guilty in that regard at least until the conclusion of his trial – just like halakha requires.

[SB]

Shmarya is worried about protecting children? Ha! No one believes that.

[Shmarya]

Shmarya is worried about protecting children? Ha! No one believes that.

Posted by: SB | October 25, 2011 at 04:37 PM

Please.

I've been helping to protect children for many years already, and I'm credited with such by victims, victims' advocates, media and law enforcement.

But there is one thing I'm sure most people really don't believe – that you care about children or have done or will do anything to protect children from Cyprys or other alleged or known sex offenders.

[Aussie]

SB what is your connection to cyprys that you defend him so strongly???....
And why do you speak up now rather then weeks ago??..

Just wondering....

[SB]

what difference does that make?

[jewishwhistleblower]

>And you are a posek then? Ha! How do
>you know the circumstances of that
>guilty plea? but he paid for that
>crime and that still does not prove he
>is guilty of all that is written about
>him. In your world courts and trials
>are not necessary let alone halacha,
>no not at all since you abide by the
>rule of the lynch mob headed
>preferably by yourself.

Shmarya is correct in the halacha. Do you have any psak from any posek in this situation to the contrary? Are you a posek?

We don't need to know "the circumstances of that guilty plea" other then it was entered. Accordingly, based on the new allegations the threshold of raglayim l'davar is more than met. It frankly was met by the earlier guilty plea.

>he paid for that
>crime and that still does not prove he
>is guilty of all that is written about
>him.

Clearly, you have no concept of what teshuva is and your friend certainly has not done same.

Courts and trials are necessary only to evaluate serious allegations and determine if the necessary threshold is met to declare someone a criminal and impair their freedoms and rights through punishments that include imprisonment. Common sense on the other hand is all that is necessary to protect our children and remove pedophiles from our community. You seem to lack any common sense in that regard.

[Enough already]

SB is Shoshanna Silcove (née Budoff)
The same virtiolic piece of work who wrote on her blog that child molesters should be named and shamed without mercy.
Of course started singing another tune when she found out who it was.
She knows where Cyrpys was all Chag because he was praying at her house in the prayer service they kindly organized for him.
Everyone knows this. Worst kept secret in melbourne.

[Shmarya]

SB is Shoshanna Silcove (née Budoff)

That's a shame.

I find her to be an obnoxious apologist.

Her husband, on the hand, is a nice guy. He was my roommate for a while in yeshiva.

[Aussie]

\"SB is Shoshanna Silcove (née Budoff)\"

Oy vey...What a hypocrite....hahaha

[ah-pee-chorus]

whoever SB is, he/she is a vile piece of child-molester defending garbage. we are all free to assume in our minds his innocence or guilt. but we MUST take all precautions to protect children and have the accused completely isolated. and that is assuming there are allegations made with no prior history. but when there is a previous GUILTY PLEA????? how dare anyone question the motives of those who act and speak to protect kids.

[ah-pee-chorus]

somebody is actually concerned that he wont be able to daven with a minyan????

are they insane? i would sooner be a part of a minyan of men who would prepare a noose for him.

[Aussie]

Since the discussion got too hot over at the "Werdiger Chelek" and he closed the thread I'll repost it here...))

SB I think you missing the point…What you explained is STILL against his bail conditions….
The conditions were strict and he broke them…

Will bail be cancelled??…We will all find out today…..

But it’s a moot point since bail for him is just to delay the inevitable…
History shows that there is no way to beat a case like he’s facing….

Go ask any of the hundreds in Ararat prison if you don’t believe me….
With Lewenberg he had a slim chance of beating this but IMO his new lawyer has virtually no hope…

Cyprys has never denied what happened….He has always maintained that “I did nothing wrong”…
This will work against him with trial and when in prison….

The testimony of Wax alone is enough to sink him…..

His denial will ensure that he will do his maximum jail term and not his non-parole term….

Reason being that with denial he won’t be doing sex offenders program which in turn means no parole….

You can cry, “innocent till proven guilty” till the cows come home but the reality is that in these cases it’s guilty till they prove guilt…

Fact is that It’s much easier to beat a murder charge then to beat a child sex case in Victoria….

Even then under Victoria’s tough new laws he may not get out even after he’s done his time…(Look at those now forced to live just outside Ararat prison walls for proof)….

Sorry SB….But them’s the facts….

[Yankel]

Aussie, Jewishwhistleblower, Shmarya, Meh,
Those who bless will in turn be blessed and those who curse will in turn be cursed.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>Those who bless will in turn be
>blessed and those who curse will in
>turn be cursed.

That's not part of our religion. You are actually required to fight evil and corruption not bless it. Bless those who do evil to our nation and children? That's not even close to בראשית 12:3 . You must be referring to another religion. Sounds to me like something from Luke 6:28.

Try a plea for help like "Hatzileni Na Meyad Achi Meyad Esau". 32:12 בראשית

Makes more sense then blessing someone who preys on our children.

[Maple Bacon]

Posted by: Yankel | October 25, 2011 at 08:36 PM

And those who curse (child molesters and their enablers by destroying innocent lives) shall be cursed as well.

[Shmarya]

Aussie, Jewishwhistleblower, Shmarya, Meh,
Those who bless will in turn be blessed and those who curse will in turn be cursed.

Posted by: Yankel | October 25, 2011 at 08:36 PM

So those who expose child rapists will be "cursed"?

You're an idiot and the religion you represent is not Judaism.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>Makes more sense then blessing someone
>who preys on our children.

And of course more sense then blessing those who enable the child sex predators.

[jewishwhistleblower]

Yankel do you really believe in a God/Rebbe that will bless me because I bless (won't happen) alleged pedophile David Cyprys, who "In 1992, Cyprys pleaded guilty to one count of indecent assault.", and his enablers?

What kind of religion are you part of?

I will never bless this sort of scum and any deity that requires same is a false god.

I don't do drugs and I don't drink koolaid. You on the other hand need your head examined.

[Aussie]

That's not even close to בראשית 12:3 . You must be referring to another religion. Sounds to me like something from Luke 6:28.

Yep...Luke 6:28....That's what they taught him in that shue...errrrr....I mean church in Alma Road....

Gee I love Google...)))

[Enough already]

Lucky there is now a new church on Inkerman Rd at the Silcove shtiebl.

[Aussie]

LOL...Yankel...You couldn\'t just post a link????....

[Shlomo]

Yankel would you still have full ahavas yisroel for people like Torquemada or Jesus.

[Aussie]

Don\'t be silly...he only has ahavas yisroel for those who molest kids....)))

[Yankel]

Torquemada was a Yid?

[Yankel]

Aussie and Shlomo didn't bother to read the Rebbe's words or they would not be saying those stupid comments. Closed minds, what a pity.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>Even though King David said[22] about
>the apikorsim, "I hate them
>completely,"[23] and the Sages rule
>that they have no portion in the World
>to Come,[24] the verse[25]

And as I noted in the Nachalot pedophile case, there was a psak that the Torah commissioned by a pedophile had to be burned, because he must have been an apikorus.

>nevertheless says, "Let sin be
>destroyed from the world", 'sin' and
>not the 'sinners.'[26] Their sins
>should be hated[27] and despised;
>however efforts must be made to cause
>them to do teshuvah.[28

By exposing their evil and condemning it. Not by tolerating evil, ignoring evil and excusing evil.

Yankel, you have reproduced large sections from the book To Love A Fellow Jew, The Mitzvah of Ahavas Yisrael in Chassidic Thought by Rabbi Nissan Dovid Dubov which is an adapted version of Kuntres Ahavas Yisrael found at http://www.hebrewbooks.org/15646. You have incorrectly, at least on the face of it, attributed it to "Rebbe". Unless of course, Dubov is your Rebbe or I have misunderstood the origins of the section you have reproduced, not that I have any interest regardless because you clearly understand little to none of what you've reproduced.

The fact is that you don't have the foggiest idea of what ahavas yisroel is. Loving a fellow Jew is not protecting them from the real consequences of their actions and it certainly does not mean that you continue to protect them at the expense of the children they sexually abuse. If you think otherwise you clearly can't understand any of the words you've reproduced, the original source materials or references on which it is based. Frankly, you need to start at the beginning and take out a chumash.

A person who sexually abuses children is a rodef, an apikorus and when there is a proper sanhedrin we put him to death, when there is no sanhedrin we hand him over to the authorities who will punish him. That is ahavas yisroel. That is the Torah. Don't waste our time by twisting the words of others that you clearly do not understand. The only mind that is closed is your own. You remind me of the idiots that send the battered wives back to their husbands shouting shalom bayit. That certainly is not shalom bayit and it is certainly not ahavas yisroel. Nor is protecting pedophiles and their enablers.

[Aussie]

News from the court....
There was an application made today for a suppression order on the case which was to be heard at 4pm...

Jwire is claiming that the suppression order was granted....

[jewishwhistleblower]

http://www.jwire.com.au/news/prosecutors-want-bail-revoked/19915
...
A court official told J-Wire that a suppression order had been made regarding the case and no further information is available at this time.
...

[Aussie]

More news from court...

Rabbi Mordechai Gutnick who is Rav of Elwood shuel was in the court today as a charactor reference....

[Aussie]

A charactor reference??...I think I\'m gonna throw up.....

[SB]

More news from court...

Rabbi Mordechai Gutnick who is Rav of Elwood shuel was in the court today as a charactor reference....

Posted by: Aussie | October 26, 2011 at 01:41 AM

This is a lie Rabbi Gutnick was not there. Cyprus was not found to have breached his bail conditions.

[SB]

I told you so.

[Aussie]

The suppression order is bullshit...Was NOT granted...So Jwire got it wrong...

Also came out in court today that another 6 victims have come forward since Cyprys was arrested....
2 in victoria and another 4....
One is Brisbane and 3 in the USA....

[Aussie]

Whoops!!...I forgot the link....

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/8365826/school-guard-may-face-more-sex-charges

[Shlomo]

Jewishwhistleblower kudos for your excellent last post

[SB]

Aussie, jewishwhistleblower, who are you: Menachem Vorccheimer? Or is it Isaac Balbin? Whatever names you go under you are here.

[Aussie]

LOL...SB...Wrong again...
LOL...you are such a twit....
And to quote a phrase....
\"what difference does that make?\"...))

But I\'ll give you a hint...I live in Tassi and not in Melbourne though I did grow up there and went to Yeshivah....
And I know all the players and probably know Cyprys better then you do...

Also I am not shomer shabbat which the 2 people you mentioned are....

But you go girl....Keep on making your name mud all for the sake of a pedo...

[Shmarya]

SB –

Your husband is a nice guy. How the hell did end up an obnoxious dishonest person like you?

Now do try to process.

Cyprys was seen by Joseph Gutnick's bodyguard walking alone with children.

The witnesses providing ab alibi for Cyprys were brother and sister-in-law and one of their friends.

In the real world – meaning the world outside Shoshana Silcove's head – people understand that those alibi witnesses are highly suspect. They also understand that all three of them may end up in jail if it can be proven they lied.

I pity your husband,

[Shmarya]

Posted by: Yankel | October 25, 2011 at 11:39 PM
Aussie

LOL...Yankel...You couldn\'t just post a link????....

Posted by: Aussie | October 25, 2011 at 11:55 PM

Yankel is evidently an idiot. I deleted his excessively long comment. If he does it again, I'll ban him.

[Shmarya]

Aussie, jewishwhistleblower, who are you: Menachem Vorccheimer? Or is it Isaac Balbin? Whatever names you go under you are here.

Posted by: SB | October 26, 2011 at 03:03 AM

Actually, neither.

Shoshana Silcove – wrong again, dumb again, obnoxious again.

[SB]

Often those who are the most outspoken about other peoples sins have to most to hide and are screaming the loudest to cover up their own guilt.

I am not Shoshana Silcove. Try again.

[Ilana]

Not that it's relevant to the real issue, but if we're playing guessing games can I have a go? I figured out ages ago who you are Aussie.

[Meh]

SB you are a pathetic piece of work. You preach about the due process of the law but you and your pedo loving friends have done all you can to obstruct justice. When I criticise your actions you cry anti-Semitism! you seem so concerned about Cyprus but what bout his victims? What about the Chilul Hashem this has caused. How many more victims have to come forward for you to realise this guy is a predator? Does he have to actually molest a child in front of you before you realise he needs to be punished and not protected by dimwits like you!

[Maple Bacon]

Posted by: Meh | October 26, 2011 at 06:42 AM

Exactly. I wonder if her son were one of Cyprys's victim would she change her tune.

[Jeff]

Whether or not SB is Shoshanna, Shmarya is right about her. She is an apologist, and she is obnoxious - as well as arrogant, condescending and a self-appointed expert as to the reasons frei Jews don't jump on the frum bandwagon.

But then, so are many other BT's. They spend their lives trying to prove to you, themselves and everyone else that they made the right choice.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>Aussie, jewishwhistleblower, who are
>you:

As in the last half dozen similar false claims by protectors and enablers of pedophiles and those who exploit the vulnerable of our community, I can confirm I am not any of the above nor any of the the previous people that have been claimed. Not one of them.

>Often those who are the most outspoken
>about other peoples sins have to most
>to hide and are screaming the loudest
>to cover up their own guilt.

That's nice. It of course has no shred of truth but it's a nice slander to all those who work or advocate for battered women, abused children, agunahs etc.

SB and any other enabler/protector of the pedophiles is simply evil. As reported in the press: "In 1992, Cyprys pleaded guilty to one count of indecent assault. He was fined $1500 but no conviction was recorded." What more need to be said?

It's pathetic that SB goes on like the bail hearing was some sort of win (SB: I told you so). It came out that there are more allegations against Cyprys. "Two further Victorian complainants had come forward since the charges were laid, and statements were still being taken from four other alleged victims, Detective Senior Constable Lisa Metcher told the Melbourne Magistrates' Court on Wednesday."