A Letter To An Agudath Israel Of America "Gadol"

"As an adult survivor of severe and unrelenting childhood sexual abuse, I have followed your halachic decisions and media pronouncements regarding this issue with great concern. I am a Litvak, yeshiva-trained, from Monsey, New York.  For many years I taught at Monsey yeshivos, mostly at the mesivta level.…Although many survivors write you politely, groveling at your feet in the hope that you will change tack, you need to know that we despise you.  You have hurt Orthodox survivors so badly, many to most of us will never forgive you for your destructive stance.  Personally, I sincerely pray every day that HaShem will convict your heart and serve you a resounding kick in the tukkis."

Benjamin Aryeh Uchytil
Sacramento, CA 95825

Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky
Talmudical Yeshiva of Philadelphia
6063 Drexel Rd.
Philadelphia, PA 19131-1296

August 2, 2011

Dear Rabbi Kamenetsky,

As an adult survivor of severe and unrelenting childhood sexual abuse, I have followed your halachic decisions and media pronouncements regarding this issue with great concern.

I am a Litvak, yeshiva-trained, from Monsey, New York.  For many years I taught at Monsey yeshivos, mostly at the mesivta level.  Rabbi, from my long-term perspective within the yeshiva velt I confirm:

 1.  Orthodox Jewish pedophilia is alive and ‘well’ in our communities,

 2.  The rabbonim actively protect our perpetrators from prosecution, ensuring that even more children will be sexually abused,

 3.  The rabbonim censure and threaten victims and their families in order to force them to keep quiet about what has occurred,

 4.  Orthodox Jews are often provoked to violence against victims who report to the police due to the Torah proscription against ‘mesirah’.

Due to your misguided attempts to ‘save the nedon’, to prevent the prosecution of our perpetrators, these recalcitrant individuals are doomed to a high rate of recidivism: they offend repeatedly over the course of their lives.  Indeed, a pedophile molests, on average, approximately 140 different children prior to his first arrest.

Rabbi, can you not see what is occurring under your very nose?  Orthodox pedophiles are not only defiling but destroying our ‘pirkei kehuna’, our precious children.  I cannot believe you consider your current course of action wise and profitable for our community.  Saving perpetrators from prosecution: Is it good for the Jews?  Most definitely not!

Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky, hear my words: Your halachic interpretations, intended to moderate and mediate between Orthodox pedophiles and their victims, are failing as I write this very letter.  While you are busily engaged protecting our perpetrators, Orthodox Jewish victims are fleeing Torah, fleeing Yiddishkeit.  We are fleeing left and right.  Many, such as myself, have gone frei.  Many have chosen baptism and conversion.  Others have committed suicide.

You are losing us.  Thousands have left the fold.  Truly: you seem to care so much about our perpetrators, do you not care for victims?  It would seem not.  Given this, we are on the move.  We are writing, writing to the goyishe papers, the Yiddishe papers, and on the Internet - to whomever will hear us.  Every time I meet a Jew - Orthodox or frei - I tell him or her the truth about Orthodox pedophilia and about your frightful course regarding this issue.  I tell Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals, Muslims....

Rabbi, here is the truth: Although many survivors write you politely, groveling at your feet in the hope that you will change tack, you need to know that we despise you.  You have hurt Orthodox survivors so badly, many to most of us will never forgive you for your destructive stance.  Personally, I sincerely pray every day that HaShem will convict your heart and serve you a resounding kick in the tukkis.

Very truly,


Benjamin Aryeh Uchytil

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Related Post: Rabbi During The Leiby Kletzky Search: Call Rabbis, Not Police, To Report Child Abuse.

More Posts About Rabbi Shmuel Kamenetsky.

Comments

[DBSesq]

"Rabbi, can you not see what is occurring under your very nose? Orthodox pedophiles are not only defiling but destroying our ‘pirkei kehuna’, our precious children."

The incorrect transliteration of "pirchei kehuna" renders this letter suspect. It's highly doubtful the author ever taught at the mesivta level; at least not limudei Kodesh. The letter however is accurate.

[Shmarya]

The incorrect transliteration of "pirchei kehuna" renders this letter suspect. It's highly doubtful the author ever taught at the mesivta level; at least not limudei Kodesh. The letter however is accurate.

Posted by: DBSesq | October 16, 2011 at 10:30 PM

I think it's a reference to a midrash.

[Baruch Pelta]

I keep up with a lot of developments in the frum community, but admittedly now from afar.

While agreeing with the thrust of this letter, I wonder about this line:

"4. Orthodox Jews are often provoked to violence against victims who report to the police due to the Torah proscription against ‘mesirah’."

When's this happened?

[Flatbusher]

This guy seems to be real. Well written. He has been posting on blogs all over. Here is one from 11/10:

Benjamin Uchytil says:

November 24, 2010 at 10:16 PM

Asher, thank you so much for your lucid and effective description of the problem at hand. I am a survivor of childhood sexual abuse, and I cannot adequately describe just how problematic it would be for me to go through a “porn-scanner”, let alone receive a TSA “pat-down”. I have not flown since my initial TSA encounter in 2003 – and I am resolved not to travel via plane now. I am so triggered by the new TSA procedures that I dissociate when reading about them. I don’t fly, not only because I refuse to allow myself to be sexually abused by TSA, but because I would be so very angry by such a scan or pat-down that I would implode, if not explode. I travel via Amtrak, and that works for me, however TSA has recently announced that they intend to begin screening all travelers – whether they travel by train, boat, plane, bus or even public transportation. How in the world will I manage?

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[Mendy Hecht]

Wow.

That is very powerful.

(Even if, as DBSesq claims, the letter and its author are suspect.)

What should really happen is that Rav Kaminetzky and all the others who purportedly are protecting molesters should get 1,000 letters like this (minus the "we despise you" even if it's true and the "kick your tuchis")--plus an unrelenting stream of respectful but forceful phone calls.

As a matter of fact, I would go so far as to say there should be a series of full-page (and, mind you, respectful) ads signed by individuals or groups who have survived abuse calling upon the gedolim to stop protecting and and start prosecuting molesters. They should be respectful, but should include fairly strong language.

The letters, phone calls and ads should continue until these molesters are kicked out of the community.

Enough of those ads, and those phone calls, and you have your kick in the tuchis without using those words.

There should be a campaign going. Didn't Dov Hikind have something going? what happened?

[Rabbi m Stern Yochi Tillim Lakewood Weisberg]

An FFB and/or mesivta rebbi knows that tuchess is not spelt or pronounced tukkis!!, however, very good letter!!!!!

[Shmarya]

4. Orthodox Jews are often provoked to violence against victims who report to the police due to the Torah proscription against ‘mesirah’."

When's this happened?

Posted by: Baruch Pelta | October 16, 2011 at 10:54 PM

An arson related to the Yosef Kolko case happened a year or two ago in Lakewood. There were also physical threats.

[DBSesq]

Shmarya,

The reference is to a Midrash, which is the basis of one of the more famous Kinnot said on Tisha b'Av. But the term is "pirchei kehuna." It refers to young priests, in training learning to perform the sacred rites in the Temple. The Midrash relates that a large group of them were slaughtered during the sacking of the first Temple. These young priests ascended the Temple ramparts and threw the keys to the Temple heavenward, and then leapt into the fires. The reference is appropriate. But the use of the wrong transliteration "pirkei Kehuna" which has an entirely different meaning, caught my attention.

[mmm]

There is no one with that name from sacramento california I have spent a lot of time there. This letter is bluff and why pick on rav shmuel

[batyahgirl@yahoo.com]

Good for him for writing this letter and telling it like it is. What horror. I wonder what these rabbis tell themselves in their most private minds - how do they rationalize their stance?

[ultra haredi lite]

Just curious - of all the Moetzes members why Reb Shmuel? Has he been more pro molesters than any of the others?

Also, the letter has some oddities that make me wonder as to the validity of the writer. His writing style is most certainly not of a yeshiva world type insider as he claims to be.

[batyahgirl@yahoo.com]

His writing style is most certainly not of a yeshiva world type insider as he claims to be.

Posted by: ultra haredi lite

Maybe he got some education after he escaped the cult.

[ultra haredi lite]

What was the arson related to the Kolko case in Lakewood? Details...

[Shmarya]

Just curious - of all the Moetzes members why Reb Shmuel? Has he been more pro molesters than any of the others?

Why not follow the link at the bottom of the post?

[Adam Neira]

The only way forward is via trust building and healing. The wise and righteous must also be allowed to lead. Anger is an energy.

[Maskil]

I tell Jews, Catholics, Protestants, Evangelicals, Muslims....

Is that a period following an elipsis?

Seriously, who wrote this?

If he's been speaking to every goy in the US he should have found out by now that Evangelicals are Protestants. I mean, pick up an encyclopedia.

a resounding kick in the tukkis

Yeah, even most goyim who graduated can spell this word correctly (it is phoenetic from Yiddish "תָּחַת" and does not relate to the spelling in Hebrew, which leads to a wide variation of pronunciations none of which are represented in this spelling).

The letter's claims regarding identity, and thus regarding motive, are highly suspicous.

[the usual chaim]

MMM -

I wont post the address, but if you put the name into any online white pages it comes up with one about 1/2 an hour outside of sacremento for someone with the same last name and an english name starting with a "B" (i.e. similar enough to binyamin to probably be his english name). He probably used the name of the nearest town b/c kamenetsky would not recognize the name of a suburb. Before blindly doubting something that criticizes your beloved gedolim do a modicum of research.

[just saying]

mmm: maybe he's using a pseudonym - or maybe he's one of the 24,999 Jews that you don't know in Sacramento

Also, maybe he employed a ghost writer - hence the transliteration issues but the relatively good grammar.

Stop shooting the messenger people ...

[Maskil]

Also, maybe he employed a ghost writer - hence the transliteration issues but the relatively good grammar.

After considering the possibility that someone might not proof-read a letter he dictated to someone else to write, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

[seymour]

all the letters will not chonge these rebbies minds

halacha cannot be wrong Torah cannot be wrong period

[seymour]

all the letters will not change these rebbies minds

halacha cannot be wrong Torah cannot be wrong period

[jewishwhistleblower]

Don't mind DBSesq (Danny Boy) he often speculates and comments on matters he can't be bothered to research. He's a colleague, friend and defender of alleged pedophile Rabbi Ephraim/Efraim Boruch Bryks (Halevi).

Danny Boy falsely stated in a previous post that "no victim ever came forward with actual testimony about any bad acts" to protect Bryks in his posts and Danny Boy attacked the character of the young boy that Bryks allegedly abused calling him "troubled". What a piece of twisted work Danny Boy is. Danny Boy has no sense of decency but to attack the character of an abused child that committed suicide. It is unsuprising he attacks this survivor's grammer in an effort to deaden the survivors name and experiences. Danny Boy's character has previously been revealed on this blog. He is who is is.

He works as a toen along with Bryks in the most corrupt of beis dins with dayans who allow people like Bryks to represent and work with the most vulnerable in our community.

Danny Boy is part of the problem.

[jewishwhistleblower]

Although, I do not know Benjamin Aryeh Uchytil nor have I been in contact with him, it would take people like DBSesq, Rabbi m Stern Yochi Tillim Lakewood Weisberg, mmm, ultra haredi lite and Maskil perhaps 30 to 60 seconds to determine from public records that this is a real name of a person with specific ties to Sacramento, CA. In another 30 seconds you likely could have contacted him and determined matters before attacking his grammer, speculating on existence, background and so on.

[Maskil]

Yeah, I saw he's avialable on a simple search. The issues in transliteration show someone clearly acquainted with ultra-orthodoxy from birth and an "insider" mixed with could only be the phonetic spelling of someone not all that familiar (and impeccable grammar, seldom if ever found within - the ellipsis follows a period, I know know). It's a bit strange that he'd have someone write (or type) it for him and then non proofread his own letter before making it public, but it seems the only plausible suggestion and I withdrew my doubtful speculations once it was suggested.

[Garnel Ironheart]

Here's the problem: For people like Rav Shmuel Kamenetsky, dressing like an ultra-Orthodox Jew comes with responsibilities. He probably can't comprehend the concept that a person who dresses "frum" would do such a thing. After all, if a person wants to sin why would he look and act frum? Since he can't resolve the contradiction he denies it exists.

[jewishwhistleblower]

Why does the grammar even matter?

We do not know if this version of the letter was typed out or reviewed by the writer. We know that this letter was likely not emailed to Rabbi Kamenetsky as it has a mailing address on it. I also doubt Rabbi Kamenetsky has a publicly known (or any private) email address.

I do not know if the issues of grammar even apply to the original letter. This version could have been scanned or typed out by another party.

But even if there are grammatical errors in the original letter, so what?

Our community is not known for its grammar and I'm sure we could fill this blog with stories about the grammar and level of knowledge of those who taught at a mesivta level.

[ultra haredi lite]

JWB,
It's entirely possible that someone by that name lives in that location and was even horribly abused. It's also possible that someone else with an agenda wrote the letter in his name. The syntax seems odd for a yeshiva insider. The letter is also vague and full of inuendo. That was my point. And no I'm not going to call him up to verify.
As an aside I identify fully with the plight of the abused and feel that the perpertrators must be brought to justice. Any coverup is outrageous.

[ultra haredi lite]

Shmarya, thanx. I did not notice the links.

[DBSesq]

I have no need nor desire to check on the bona fides of this letter, nor its author. My feelings on the issue of sex abuse in the frum community are made up. It's a horrible blot on all of us, and the longer we allow it to fester, the more we will all suffer for it. There is no excuse for not taking the hardest line approach in dealing with it. And since rabbis have amply demonstrated their complete inability to deal with the problem, and their abject refusal to learn how, secular authorities must be used to protect our children. I would maintain that belief under the current circumstances even if there were no legal mandates to report abuse. That such a mandate exists, renders any discussion about whether to report academic. The law is the law; mandated reporters MUST report suspicions of abuse and must do so even if rabbinic authority feels otherwise. As a moral matter, any non-mandated reporter has an obligation to do likewise.

Having said that, I still remain with my doubts about this particular missive. I just don't think the author was ever a rebbe in a yeshivish school. But it really makes no difference to me, if he was or not.

[jancsipista]

the reason for this horrible molestation problem is going nowhere is because our holy rebbes dont give a dammn since they themselfs are the source of all our shame they cant face up to it so they try to shrug it all of,the rebbes are as guilty as the molester maybee even more for evil to exist indifference is the key, and we see tottal indifference to childrens suffering.

[S.]

"Having said that, I still remain with my doubts about this particular missive. I just don't think the author was ever a rebbe in a yeshivish school. But it really makes no difference to me, if he was or not."

I agree. These kinds of things are not helpful and they undermine the message. I see no reason to doubt that the author was a victim and was part of the frum community, but a mesivta rebbe? All he had to do was not say that.

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Actually, on re-reading it carefully I see that he doesn't say that. He could have taught math, and the words would still make sense. However, it was not written so clearly, and there's a reason why everyone reading it thought that he was claiming to have been a mesivta rebbe.

[Maskil]

Garnel,

I know very little about the misnagdisheh rabbonim ("gedolim") in the Diaspora - so I've only heard Kamenetsky's name once or twice (and I really don't know why all this anger is directed towards him specifically) - but I think your assessment is over-reaching because big rabbonim ("gedolim" or "tzaddikim") are generally, if not often, privy to confessions of "frum" Yidden from all across the population spectrum asking for a tikkun. At least, that's how it was, correct me if it's not that way anymore among the Litvish "gedolim" of today.

[Litvish]

Yeshivishe guys are not known to be literate in English grammar?

Some are, some aren't.

Reading the comments here and on VIN one might assume that but reading the comments almost anywhere on the web one might reach that conclusion.

If one reads and pays attention to the use of written English it is surprising how much grammar one may learn.

It all depends on the person.

Even some of the rabbonim, h'havdil, are capable of expressing a correct English sentence.

Of course, what they actually express may be worthless but that is another matter all together.

[LW]

I believe he taught secular subjects and is a relative of Tiger's Rachel.

[A E ANDERSON]

The strictures against sexual arousal and sex acts outside of marriage, together with the draconian modesty and personal deportment laws of Orthodox Judaism make the allegations of widespread pedophilia and child sex abuse in Orthodox communities highly unlikely from the standpoint of credibility: indeed, the consensual analogues of such behaviors conducted among adults would lead to immediate ostracism of rabbis or teachers were such behavior to become known.

So, as with the Roman Catholics, the blame-layers shift from attacking the actual pedophile, and instead try to make their ecclesiastical or academic supervisors culpable, either for not outing and shaming the offenders in a sufficiently aggressive way, or for not opening their institutions to fishing expeditions by die-hard anti-abuse ideologues of the McMartin Preschool genre, who see a throbbing member behind every innocent pat on the back.

Perhaps I am among the apparently insignificant number of former children who never had their schmekles played with by a rabbi, priest, teacher, administrator or crossing guard. Perhaps it's a phenomenon of the lower classes and I was shielded from illicit childhood sex play with adults by high-tuition private schools staffed by dour Calvinist teachers and dorm masters.

Whatever the case may be, I simply do not accept or believe the litany of child molestation allegations gleefully aired on these pages.

[oh really]

Whatever the case may be, I simply do not accept or believe the litany of child molestation allegations gleefully aired on these pages.
Posted by: A E ANDERSON | Clown Heights, NY 11213 | October 17, 2011 at 04:01 PM

You really need to get a job instead of sitting around and poking your nose in everyone's business by sitting around in restaurants and staring at what people eat and how they dress and arriving at the conclusion that 2 plus 2 equals 9. You empty ladik gayer with too much time!

[jancsipista]

A E ANDERSON- YOU MUST BE FROM ANOTHER PLANET AFTER ALL THEESE PEOPLE COMING FORWARD INCLUDING MYSELF, YOURE WRITING HINTS AT YOURE CHARACTER YOU MUST FEEL VERY VERY SUPERIOR TO OTHERS A REAL BIG SHOT WITH AN EGO TO MATCH IT.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

I am actually forced by virtue of his comments to agree with Jewish Crank Yanker at 10:06, the quality of the grammar expressed in the letter is irrelevant. I myself could have written a far superior letter in terms of quality but I have never been chesterized - my mother was far too present a personality during my years in yeshiva to qualify me as a target for the pervs running around there looking for itty bitty titty. Either that or I just wasn't cute enough. Either way, I'll probably owe a $10,000 korban when the beis hamikdosh is rebuilt just because I escaped yeshiva without a torn rectum and the taste of sodium and protein in the back of my throat.

My personal experience with Rabbiner Kaminetsky is that he is a poor guide when advising yeshivish mechanchim in how to treat a child. Should this comment qualify as loshon harah so be it, my disgust with Kaminetsky to some extent, and more so to the asswipe rabbi posing a mechanich is something that over the years has just not ameliorated. (Is that a word?) Having spoken to SK personally to verify the assinine advice he gave, regarding one of my sons some years ago as given to the hanhala of the shithole yeshiva he was in at the time, its simply a wonder anyone entrusts their kids to him.

Payback being a biotch, and to my son's credit, he rose above the stupidity to excel on his own and leave these pricks in the dust.

[adam zur]

i am disappointed with the so called Litvack gedolim. but i have a few reason for holding my peace. one is that i think that gemara and Musar do provide a path to holiness for one that is seeking.
Yet there clearly is something very wrong in the orthodox Jewish world. This is a mystery to me why this should be so.
the general approach of the na nachm movement and myself also is to say that rabbis quo rabbis are wicked perverted monsters. and that they have no connection with the holy gemara at all. this would seem to be supported by statements of chazal and the zohar referring to orthodox rabbis as Torah scholar demons. If this is a sufficient explanation i am not sure.

[jewishwhistleblower]

>It's also possible that someone else
>with an agenda wrote the letter in his >name. The syntax seems odd for a
>yeshiva insider. The letter is also
>vague and full of inuendo. That was my
>point. And no I'm not going to call
>him up to verify.

There's absolutely no basis for your suggestions/allegations.

Public records confirm the name and the connection to Monsey and Sacramento. The name Benjamin Aryeh Uchytil appears in numerous posts over several years including a letter in the Jewish Press in 2008:
http://www.jewishpress.com/printArticle.cfm?contentid=33653

[jewishwhistleblower]

>I have no need nor desire to check on
>the bona fides of this letter, nor its >author.

Of course not, you read about the anguish of a survivor of abuse and are moved to criticize his grammar.

>My feelings on the issue of sex abuse
>in the frum community are made up.

As I suspected. Perhaps given your obvious error in your writing of this sentence should I speculate on whether you ever could have been admitted to a law school?

DBSesq (Danny Boy) I've seen you in action. I'm familiar with your associates and you have a record on this blog and in press statements to the NY Jewish Week on abuse issues. Most people with the above record would have some shame, but not you.

When you speak out against child abuse I cannot take you seriously. Just recently you falsely stated in a previous post that "no victim ever came forward with actual testimony about any bad acts" to protect your friend and colleague Rabbi Ephraim/Efraim Boruch Bryks (Halevi). You called one of Bryks' victims that committed suicid "troubled" without any basis. What a piece of twisted work Danny Boy you are. Danny Boy you have no sense of decency but to attack the character of an abused child that committed suicide.

I would note Rabbi Lipner states on David Morris' blog the following:
"For now suffice it to say that Rav Hershel Shachter, Shlita, paskened for us that Rabbi Efraim Bryks, a knowns molester, even though he has never been convicted of a crime, should have his picture displayed in all the shuls of Queens as a warning to parents who do not know to keep their children away. "
see: http://tzedek-tzedek.blogspot.com/2010/10/name-and-shame.html

I dare you Danny Boy to clean up the corrupt beis dins where you practice as a toen alongside your friend and colleague and fellow toen Bryks.

You and yours are the "horrible blot on all of us" that shield, protect and allow the pedophiles to thrive in our community.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

I seem to recall seeing a tragic video about a boy who committed suicide after interaction with Bryks. Was that in Canada. I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that at the very least when it comes to Bryks there is raglayim ledavar.

[jewishwhistleblower]

I'm not sure how Bif claims there was not reglayim ledavar but then again we likely won't get any real explanation from Bif.

[jewishwhistleblower]

There is an open police investigation in Canada, multiple allegations from multiple survivors of abuse and the above psak indicate more than "eizeh dimyan". Accordingly, the standard of "raglayim ledavar" appears to be met as well. Not to mention the earlier 1988 Child and Family Service report that concluded that Bryks' kissing and holding of students in his lap was "inappropriate and unprofessional", but not criminal (this was before later more serious allegations). The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, Program Prime Time News, February 28 1994 documentary (Time 21:00:00 ET) gave further informtion as to what the allegations in the 1988 report involved "A 14-year-old complained the rabbi often sat on her lap, touched her, tickled her, and talked about sex. Once, she says, he even licked her face."

[jewishwhistleblower]

The case in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada in fact remains open. To date Rabbi Bryks has not cooperated with the Winnipeg police or made himself available to answer the charges against him. There is no Statute of Limitations in Canada on criminal charges regarding the sexual assault of children.

The Crown prosecutors have not issued a closing document and the file on Bryks remains open. The Winnipeg police have also not closed their file on this matter and the file is currently assigned to a member of the police force.

Anyone with relevant information is encouraged to contact the Winnipeg Police at their main phone number 204-986-6037 (their website is located at: http://www.city.winnipeg.mb.ca/police/). The following officers have worked on the file in the past and should be able to help refer you to those currently handling the files: Inspector Lou Spado (may be retired) and Sgt. Robin Parker.

Anyone with relevant information in the U.S. is encouraged to contact their local police department and their local District Attorney's office.

The numbers in Queens are:

1) New York Police Department: NYPD Switchboard: 646-610-5000 website: http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/home.html Queens Precinct Addresses and Direct phone numbers can be found at:

http://www.ci.nyc.ny.us/html/nypd/html/phone.html#Queens

2) Queens District Attorney's office at: (718) 286-6000 website: http://www.queensda.org/

[jewishwhistleblower]

Lawyer Danny Boy on his friend Bryks.

>I know him well. I have sat and dinei
>Torah with him, sometimes on the same
>side of the table, sometimes on
>opposite sides of the table. He has
>always been honest and forthright.
>None of the allegations were ever
>proven. No victim ever came forward
>with actual testimony about any bad
>acts. All that was ever said about
>this rabbi is that a former student,
>known to be a troubled boy, committed
>suicide. The boys family blamed the
>rabbi for it, but that visceral
>reaction does not rise to the level of
>a cognizable claim. This man has been
>unfairly piloried, tried and convicted
>in the court of nefarious voyuerism
>and innuendo.
>Posted by: D S Esq. | September 15, 2010 at 08:55 AM

[jewishwhistleblower]

The real facts:

As DBS Esq. was never good at reading:

DBS false claims about Bryks:
1) He has always been honest and forthright.
Wrong.
a. Rabbi Bryks plagiarized several articles in his Weekly Torah commentaries from a book by Ottawa Rabbi Bulka's called Torah Therapy
b. In a community journal, Bryks boasted a degree there of law from the state of Israel, that he sat as a member of a religious court in Israel, and had a court room. The truth is, he was a rabbinical student, not a judge. And the state doesn't give out law degrees.

2) None of the allegations were ever proven.
Wrong.
a. The city's Child and Family Service concluded in a heavily publicized report in 1988 that his kissing and holding of students in his lap was "inappropriate and unprofessional", but not criminal (this was before later more serious allegations).

3) No victim ever came forward with actual testimony about any bad acts.
Wrong.
a. After the 1988 findings of the Winnipeg South Child Family Services, a new allegation in 1989 was brought to the police and Winnipeg Child and Family Services. Keefler: She wasn't the only student who kept a secret. We found another child who claimed he was victimized. In 1989, a year after the Child and Family Services investigation, a seven-year-old boy went to the Winnipeg police. His parents watched from the next room, listened, as the boy, using a doll, alleged Rabbi Bryks molested him in grade I. The couple is disguised to protect their son's identity. Disguised mother: He showed on the doll ... that he had been basically, I guess, fondled, masturbated ... rubbed ... he used the word "tickled".
Disguised father: The Rabbi would come and get him out of the classroom during a session in class, take him up to the office. And he threatened him that if he were to say this to anyone the big boys would come and beat him up. Winnipeg Child and Family Services refused to investigate.
b. Keefler: [The March 1988 report] warned "if there is a child in the school that is currently being abused, the dynamics of the reaction of staff, fellow students and other adults over the past couple of months might prevent any child from coming forth with disclosure." That is exactly what happened to one girl., who didn't want to be interviewed on camera. A former student told us what she didn't tell Child and Family Services. ... that Rabbi Bryks fondled her breasts, once lay completely on top of her, touched her and tickled her all the time. When the social worker asked questions, the girl kept quiet. Keefler: [We] found another student, who can't close that chapter of her life. A fourth student, this couple's daughter, claims she was molested. Disguised mother: It's horrifying, and its unbelievable. Unbelievably numb. Keefler: Last November, this couple's daughter told them she was molested by Rabbi Bryks in grade 2. They are disguised to protect the girl's identity. Disguised father: Rabbi Bryks would take her out of class and would take her into his office during school time, and he would make her take off her underwear and stockings and then he would fondle her, her genitalia. She remembers it happening many times. She told me that he told her that if she ever told anybody that God would punish her.
Disguised father: The most painful recent event since her disclosure for me was going up to see how she was, in her bedroom, it 's just quiet and I just wanted to see how she was, going into her bedroom, she was sitting in her closet, curled up in a fetal ball, listening to Barney tapes with a little Barney book in her hand. I couldn't deal with that. Keefler: The fourteen, year-old is in counseling to the police. Her parents say she isn't ready to go in the police. Disguised mother: She is so fragile that this has to be in her own time. Disguised father: She also knows about another boy who did go to the Police and nothing happened. Rabbi Bryks is still out there, still teaching school.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

Here's what I wrote:

I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that at the very least when it comes to Bryks there is raglayim ledavar.

Here's JWB's comment twisting what I said 180 degrees:

I'm not sure how Bif claims there was not reglayim ledavar but then again we likely won't get any real explanation from Bif.

I wrote THERE IS and he understood THERE WAS NOT. Even posted a query. Nothing to explain if I agree that, quote again, "at the very least when it comes to Bryks there is raglayim ledavar."

Is it me? (Rhetorical question. It's him.)

[jewishwhistleblower]

No it is you.

You wrote: "I don't think anyone can say with a straight face that at the very least when it comes to Bryks there is raglayim ledavar."

If you really meant to say the opposite then it's a poorly written sentence. I'll help you out. Take out the unnecessary words ("with a straight face that at the very least" - to make it easier for you to understand) and you wrote:

"I don't think anyone can say ..when it comes to Bryks there is raglayim ledavar."

That means you claim that no one can say in terms of Bryks that that there is raglayim ledavar.

So the error (if your meaning was the opposite) is yours solely.

I keep telling you that you have a reading comprehension problem. This is evidence of same.

[Abracadabra]

BIF and JW - it seems that it was just a simple misunderstanding. You're both on the same team, you're both saying the same thing. Misunderstandings happen. It doesn't really matter whose fault it is. At the end of the day - it's Bryks' fault - and you both agree on that.

[Maskil]

I agree. JWB is hyped up on this subject so much he can't distinguish between certain posts and sometimes reads the opposite of that which was posted, which in fact agreed with him 100%. JWB - we got your message loud and clear, and for the most part you have been heard and the posters here agree with you. We are reading what you're writting and your words are being received. Drop the emotions and stop attacking everyone. This subject seems to be touching an emotional nerve I have not seen with you on this site ever.

[jewishwhistleblower]

Firstly, you should google Bif's posts on Tendler to see who he is. It appears that he is the same person who posted anonymously on my blog on the same subject from around 2004. His posts are typically beyond the pale of anything decent. He was recently threatened with being banned here and has toned down his posts.

Secondly, I am able to distinguish quite well in what I read. Bif's post said the opposite of what he now claims. If he meant otherwise it is his error not mine.

Thirdly, there is no emotional nerve. I have been posting for years about the extended family that includes such people as Rabbi Lipa Brenner, Rabbi Ephraim Bryks, Rabbi Aron Tendler and Rabbi Mordecai Tendler among others. Try a google to see what I'm talking about.

Lastly, I take the abuse of the vulnerable in our community seriously. It is not a joke as Bif appears to believe in his many obscene posts. Bif is no more on my team than Danny Boy is. They are both twisted and disturbed individuals. If you believe otherwise you have either an increadibly poor ability to use google to search previous posts and comments or you simply have increadibly poor judgment.

[DBSesq]

JWB, why do you refuse to identify yourself? Why do you yearn for silent night and loathe the light? Tell us who you are.

[jewishwhistleblower]

Danny Boy, I am no one and nothing. I have never claimed otherwise.

As to why I am entitled to anonymity, why don't you ask the founding fathers why they had to write anonymously to counter the ignorance of their time? Perhaps you have heard of the federalist papers? These are the same documents written anonymously that are regularly referred to by the courts in decisions when interpreting our constitution.

Good men and women want an end to the abuse and exploitation of our community's most vulnerable. They want this abuse and exploitation exposed to the light of day. The problem is the shrills like you who prop up and publicly defend the most corrupt and evil institutions and leaders. Shrills like you who defend pedophiles and deaden the name of 17 year old victims of sexual assault who commit suicide repeating the lies of your pedophile colleagues/friends and attack the grammar. Shrills like you who when they read the cries of survivors of abuse have nothing better than to attack their grammar.

When you take money to act as a toen in an institution that tolerates and promotes other toens who have a documented history of abuses against our community's vulnerable, when you sit with same toen, on either side of the table, you sell your integrity and that of our community. You deaden ideas like justice that mean something to the rest of us.

It is people like you Danny Boy who have brought our institutions and community to such low levels by a combination of your arrogance and stupidity.

Why don't you tell the bloggers here who you are and describe how you have dealt with allegations of abuse in our community? Why don't you come clean about the Semel posts that Shamarya called you on?

>>I just don't trust you, or people
>>like you who hide their indentities
>
>First of all, we only know who you are
>because JWB outed you.
>
>Past that, you have used another alias
>on a different post.
>
>Now what does that say about your
>honesty?
>
>Posted by: Shmarya | December 05, 2010 at 10:49 AM

It you that loathe the light that is shun on your friends, colleagues and institutions. Particularly, when it demonstrates who and what they really are and as a consequence what you are associated with and a part of.

I yearn for the justice that the institutions and leaders of our community have not provided. What motivates you? The protection of friends and associates?

[DBSesq]

No one denies your right to hide behind a veil of anonymity, JWB. It's just in doing so you demonstrate your abject cowardice

[jewishwhistleblower]

I would say that a demonstartion of abject cowardice would be how you spat on the name of a 17-year old boy who committed suicide to protect your friend/colleague who allegedly sexually abused him and others.

The way your friend/colleague allegedly abused young children and that he
won't cooperate with the police investigation of these allegations in Canada of him that remains open. That is abject cowardice.

Your posts under a different name that was abject cowardice.

I suspect Danny Boy that you would declare Moshe Rabeinu a coward since before he helped a fellow jew being beaten he also looked to the right and left (so that he could act anonymously against Egyptian oppressors and avoid the dire consequences he would face otherwise. The same consequences that forced him to flee Egypt).

Not only do I have a legal right and biblical right to anonymity, I have an obligation to stay anonymous in the face of the vicious enemies (corrupt institutions and ledership and their lackies and shrills) I too face.

[DBSesq]

Blah blah blah Face it JWB, you're a coward, a gutless spineless coward. People respect Shmarya. He has the courage to put his name behind everything he posts. Because he does that, he is rarely, if ever accused of lying. You however are bush league and your integrity is compromised as a result of your cowardice. Go ahead stay in hiding. But you'll never really be an adult until you begin to assume real responsibility for yourself. BTW, did it never occur to you, that there are people we both know who could identify you to me? A good yom tov.

[Bfeirush in Fartscroll]

Jewish Ankle Grabber, a ban threat is a faggoty reaction to being unable to moderate like a man. Besides I can and have used VPNs to disguise my IP so a ban is nothing more than an inconvenience, a fart, really, that is easy for anyone with a smattering of tech sense to get around.

Having said that, if I was unclear, my bad. At the very least Bryks has raglayim ledavar. More to the point, based on the record, he's probably a chestering piece of shit who I wouldn't let my dog near.

Now you have slutted yourself for years as a champion of the chestered victims of sex in the Hebreew world and I acknowledge and commend you for your work. But don't for a second think that you are anywhere near as wonderful as you think you are.

And no, I never posted on your blog. Bfeirush in Fartscroll is an FM exclusive.

You have called me a Tendlerite which is so far off the mark and is really just your way of trying to take a free thinker and lump him in with the kool aid drinkers to dilute the message. But it doesn't work. Readers are smarter than you give them credit for, even if 2/3s of them write for shit and can't express a coherent thought if their yambags depended on it.

Finally, DBS at 150 has a really good point, so maybe you can drag yourself out of your basement, pull up your pants, and grow some goddamn humility.

[Benjamin Uchytil]

I am the author of this letter.I took a great risk by releasing this letter and allowing my name to be published. I am very troubled that many of you are attacking me, a victim.

But then, that's the way it goes in the charedi world: you attack the victim, not the perpetrator.

R' Shmuel Kaminetsky telephoned me the week after he received my letter. He was kind but excused himself and hung up quite suddenly when I told him the Gedolim must release the names of all known Orthodox pedophiles to the police.

Another letter, similar to this one, was sent to the Agudah. They, of course, did not respond.

Benjamin Uchytil

[Jean-Pierrre]

Not being A Torah scholar the knowledge I gained from my rabbis leaves my very puzzled with several of this great scholars positions.

I always thought that a danger of life lost trumped customs and philosophy about Judaism.

In two cases dealing with circumcision and homosexuality the opposite rules the day.

1-a Mohel using his mouth has been nixed by NY Board of Health and Israeli Pediatricians because of the possibility of death and disease for the baby.

2-Reparative=Conversion therapy to cure homosexuality is banned in the UK, proposed ban in California, all because all major mental health organizations consider it ineffective an d it has a risk of suicide when the patients discover it doesn.t work. Other therapies exist that work on eliminating homosexual behavior while accepting that orientation-attraction does not change. These are safe as the rug is not pulled under the patient.

Also with the issue of reporting child abuse you have a conflict of what is in the interest of the child and the public and the Jewish principle of obeying the law of the land vs.the prohibition against turning in a fellow Jew.

In all these cases I think that the Rabbi views the facts as it's not really dangerous.

In all these cases the RCA and almost all secular thinkers disagree completely .

I agree with them why put people in peril?

Children do not usually lie about sexual abuse, So by definition you should follow the majority case and know that a neutral police investigation is needed.

Sexual orientation does not change, even the inventors of this quack therapy now admit this. So why tell a vulnerable person dealing with huge moral conflicts something that in the long run will probably make him abandon the Torah or even kill themselves?

Why should one believe that there is no danger in using a mouth infected with virus and germs on a baby's open sore can not endanger it ?