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September 02, 2011

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A E  ANDERSON | Auckland, New Zealand

There was another Wikileaks item with State Dept cables reporting how Russian Chabad (including Lazar) have little interest in the books lawsuit, and indeed have hardly expressed any interest in seeing the tomes.

The whole US federal lawsuit is less about books or access to their contents, but emanates from some kind of weird "דידן נצח" impulse with the Lubavitcher psyche. Like the pathetic Barry Gourary affair, it's become kind of a public sporting match at which Lubavitchers can cheer for their side.

I mark the lawsuit as part of the beginning of the late Rebbe's deterioration, or at least one of its most gross public manifestations. Were he entirely compos mentis at that juncture, I think he would have kept the embarrassing family affair silent, and dealt with it tactfully, behind the scenes, as was his practice with most controversial matters.

The Menachem Schneerson of the Book Trial days was clearly not the mild mannered European gentleman of his earlier days. He carried on haranguing against the lone male descendant of the Previous Rebbe in front of an audience half composed of ami haaretz, laydigayers and idiots, who proceeded to rejoice and dance in the streets over what would, in saner times, have been regarded as a sad, interfamily misfortune.

The Steinsaltz Compromise, which I heard announced at at Library of Congress forum in the presence of Dr. James Billington and Rabbi Abraham Shemtov, would have kept the collection in the clearly professional and adequate care of the Russian State Library, with microform and electronic versions to be made for users abroad.

Indeed, that compromise -- apparently rejected by the litigating factions in Clown Heights -- would have provided greater access to the Russian-resident collection for users internationally than the Schneerson Library adjacent to 770 currently provides to scholars or interested parties from the public. Indeed, only favoured insiders are admitted to use the Schneerson collection at present. That means a return of the Russian-resident collection to the Brooklyn Chabad librarians would seemingly entail a diminution of public, scholarly access!

Returning the books from their present state of high-level care as a public trust by the Russian State to an inaccessible private collection in Brooklyn is bad library policy, bad public policy and indeed bad law.


Chicago Sam

Interesting article. Historically Chabad never liked democracies and in the days of the Napoleonic conquest of Russia, RSZ urged all his followers to support the czar despite the fact he was a real anti-Semite. RSZ felt that Jews would observe their religion better in a country that restricted freedom and autonomy.

Shmarya

"'m surprised Lazar has no influence when it comes to returning the Chabad books.... why can't he achieve that if he's so pally with Putin?

Posted by: JJ'

Good point JJ. It seems our conspiracy theorist emeritus missed that line of thought.

Posted by: ronininja | September 03, 2011 at 02:26 AM

Not at all.

It seems that you and others who have zero knowledge about Chabad's inner-workings missed don't get facts.

Lazar wants power more than anything else, and his power comes exclusively from Putin and Leviev.

Putin wants the books to stay in Russia.

Lazar does his bidding.

Leviev doesn't say a peep.

All of this should have been absolutely obvious to an honest reader reading my post, even someone who doesn't know who hates whom and who fights whom within Chabad.

Why you missed it is for you to explain.

Malkiel the Man

Shmerel is silent here...

the red square janitor

Long Live Mother Russia !

yahwol, herr komissar!

Yosef ben Matitya

".....I am proud that a Lubavitcher such as Berel Lazar is not only the Chief Rabbi of Russia,"

- self appointed to the position i must add, or is it 'elected' by a panel of fellow chabadnik?

"but has been appointed to the prestigious Public Chamber (Общественная палата) and has been awarded numerous state honours, including: the Order of Friendship, the 'Minin and Pozharsky' Order, the "60 Years of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945" Medal, and the Order of Peter the Great, First Class."

What is the 'jewish' value of these titles?
any 'democratic' value?
any 'moral' value worth touting in the 'real free world'?
More appropriate title would be 'Friend of the Thugs'. It sure describe him better!

"Lazar's achievements ... bring credit to the entire Lubavitcher community,"

as distinct from the jewish community.

"..... from their organised opposition to Bonaparte"

organised opposition?? you make me laugh! they convinced putin that they run pro czar revolutionary cells?

"right down to their participation in opposing the Nazi aggressor in the Great Patriotic War,"

details, details please. from where? from brooklyn? to benefit who? mother russia? father stalin?

" and then throughout the spiritual darkness of the Soviet Years."

of course, " the spiritual darkness of the Soviet Years " of which Putin was a constituant stalwart.

"(Note that my focus here is on hasidim, not rebeim.)"

Yes, much of the credit is well earned probably by then not yet conceived Italian born chosid turned rebe!

A E  ANDERSON | Auckland, New Zealand

I think Putin is a great leader, and I as a graduate of the Lubavitcher yeshivos, I am proud that a Lubavitcher such as Berel Lazar is not only the Chief Rabbi of Russia, but has been appointed to the prestigious Public Chamber (Общественная палата) and has been awarded numerous state honours, including: the Order of Friendship, the 'Minin and Pozharsky' Order, the "60 Years of the Victory in the Great Patriotic War 1941-1945" Medal, and the Order of Peter the Great, First Class.

Lazar's achievements and consequent elevation bring credit to the entire Lubavitcher community, and indeed are due as recognition of the central role that Lubavitcher hasidim played in Russian Jewish history, from their organised opposition to Bonaparte right down to their participation in opposing the Nazi aggressor in the Great Patriotic War, and then throughout the spiritual darkness of the Soviet Years.

(Note that my focus here is on hasidim, not rebeim.)

Yes, Lubavitch toots its own horn much in this regard. But there is much to be tooted.

Dave

Sorry for my typos. I get a bit sloppy when I get emotional over lowlifes.

Dave

@ Malchiel "You should be applauding for helping to put away a Jewish criminal" Your state shows how ignorant you are or you are just another dis-formed or a dis-informer. A "criminal" by whose standards. Surely not by any legitimate governments standards, a government not controlled by The Dictator Putin. You are truly a schmuck and an asshole. Enjoy your time in hell as well.

Dave

@Adam Neira, You are a very sick MoFo. You lowlife moron. You are either dis-informed or a spy. Hope you find happiness is hell. You spread your lies and you will die.

ronininja

"'m surprised Lazar has no influence when it comes to returning the Chabad books.... why can't he achieve that if he's so pally with Putin?

Posted by: JJ'

Good point JJ. It seems our conspiracy theorist emeritus missed that line of thought.

ronininja

"Lazar also functioned in the same role when Putin's government persecuted what Russia calls "non-traditional religions" – which includes mainline Christian denominations and Evangelicals."

Kuddos to him, it used to be Christians persecuting Jews. Ever heard about the Inquisition?

JJ

I'm surprised Lazar has no influence when it comes to returning the Chabad books.... why can't he achieve that if he's so pally with Putin?

Frozen Chosen

@Yosef ben Matitya

Ends do not justify the means. Chabad has done tremendous work worldwide for which they deserve praise, but in the former USSR particularly, their growth has been malignant and at the deliberate expense of other Jews and Jewish organizations.

Yosef ben Matitya

How about a little perspective on what Chabad has accomplished all due to the work of its Rebeeim and shluchim-- including Rabbi Lazar?

Russian Police Chorus sings "Let My People Go," almost 20 years after Soviet Jews were finally free to emigrate

Because of chabad? or inspite of them? they want them there to feed the empire of lozor!

The exodus of millions of Soviet Jews and the collapse of the "Evil Empire" is one of the most well-known and astounding prophecies of the Lubavitcher Rebbe.

Did the evil empire really collapse or is now governed by ex kgb putin and aided by who else?

...... but Professor Branover went ahead and built,--but not nearly enough!

he built? with what? with his beret? or the state of israel built? phoney silly legends.

Prior to this, in 1966, the Rebbe said that Communism would fall and be preceded by a mass emigration of Jews.

what a massive compilation of crap!.....
he said, he said, he said!

Yosef ben Matitya

Correction: not only for Chabad; for all of religious jewry.

feh, if they are 'religious jewry', who wants to be religious, and who wants to be jewish?

Frozen Chosen

Very validating. I have had some connection to various Orthodox programs in Moscow (ranging from modern, zionist, chareidi)...and Chabad are a bunch of bullies, borderline gangsters over there. It is very real that Lazar uses political clout to establish his own power, which does include wiping out his "competition".

'Yechiel'

@Malkiel the man
You wrote: I am calling you out for your BS, you are here just to bash others, you do not do this for any moral reason, your sole purpose is to cause problems for chabad.
Correction: not only for Chabad; for all of religious jewry.
And he gets to cash in on it...
Yet he talks about how mean spirited and unscrupulous Haredim are.
Old news.

Mendel

How about a little perspective on what Chabad has accomplished all due to the work of its Rebeeim and shluchim-- including Rabbi Lazar?

Russian Police Chorus sings "Let My People Go," almost 20 years after Soviet Jews were finally free to emigrate
From the country that brought you pogroms, the KGB, mass killings and Siberian slave camps comes this rendition,--of "Let My People Go," about the liberation of the Jewish people from Egypt. This song now appears to be popular in the former Soviet Union, with different versions popping up on YouTube. The exodus of millions of Soviet Jews and the collapse of the "Evil Empire" is one of the most well-known and astounding prophecies of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Two years before that magical "year of miracles," 1990, the Rebbe advised Professor Herman Branover to build housing for Russians in Israel. At that time, it seemed totally unlikely, but Professor Branover went ahead and built,--but not nearly enough! Prior to this, in 1966, the Rebbe said that Communism would fall and be preceded by a mass emigration of Jews. This was perhaps the most bloodless revolution the world had ever seen.
http://redemptionwatch.blogspot.com/search?q=russian+police

Malkiel the Man

Shmerel Rosenberg;

I can only imagine what you would of wrote about Lazar has he assisted Gusinsky...

You being the watchdog of Jewish crime should be all over Gusinsky for his crimes and fraud, how is he different than SMR?

I am calling you out for your BS, you are here just to bash others, you do not do this for any moral reason, your sole purpose is to cause problems for chabad.

(As you write clearly about your meeting where you tried to get the Russian orgs to cut ties with Chabad.)

You should be applauding Lazar for helping to put away a Jewish Criminal

(I do truly feel that the charges were trumped up against Gusinsky due to the fact that he is Jewish, just as I truly feel that the entire prosocution and charges against SMR are because he is Jewish...)

End of story, are full of crap.

David

misery is no longer prised.

What? For the frumma, misery IS bliss.

Yosef ben Matitya

plus ca change ....
just like in the old days, the alter rebbe was opposed to napoleon for fear of democracy and pro czar that promised sustained misery. though nowadays misery is no longer prised.

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Adam Neira

Some things must remain private and confidential. In any organisation whether it be a corporation, government, defence force or charity there is a hierarchy of awareness and responsibility. Certain people are invested with executive decision making. Obviously these people should be employed on merit. Pure anarchic openness of all information sources leads to mass confusion, as people are unable to prioritise and process the data. A happy child trusts his parents to make good decisions on his/her behalf. That is why we need command and control structures in place around the world. When people feel that their confidences can be betrayed at the click of a mouse they are loathe risking authentic connections with others. I'm sure that Mr.Assange and his associates have a problem with the word "sovereignty". We actually need more respect for intellectual property and healthy boundaries everywhere right now, not less.

Prime Minister Putin and President Mevdevev are doing a good job. Any Jewish representative there needs to ensure that they further the general welfare of the population.

Long Live Mother Russia !

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