Haredim Plan Mass Protest Against Girls' Grade School

Haredim plan a mass protest in Beit Shemesh against the Orthodox Zionist girls' grade school, Orot Banot, that is located adjacent to a haredi neighborhood in Beit Shemesh. Haredim have previously assaulted little girls, pelted them with eggs and tomatoes, stoned a little boy, tried to rush and take over the school, threatened to injure or kill the girls, and fought with Modern Orthodox parents, all because haredim consider the little girls to be immodestly dressed. Today's demonstration is endorsed by several haredi rabbis.

 

Update 2:05 pm CDT – Here's another pashkvil for today's demonstration. This one lists the endorsing rabbis:

Update 2:25 pm – The Jerusalem Post has a news brief reporting that "hundreds" of haredim joined the protest.

Update 2:55 pm CDT – Here's a report from an eyewitness to today's protest:

i drove to the site of the demonstration, which is about 300 yards up the block from Orot, at about 6:30 pm (Israel time) and there were maybe 200 people there to start their protest. they davened mincha and said some slichos etc and then the "rabbis"  speeches started, and continued till around 9:30pm when they finished with "Hashem hu haelokim"  which we say  at the end of Neila on yom kippur.
 
at the height of the evening there were maybe 500  sickos there, plus a few hundred chareidi onlookers
 
considering all those rabbis names on the posters, this was a big flop.
 
everything went peacefully, maybe because there was a strong police and border patrol presence. during this entire time there was a "parents orientation night"  going on at Orot as previously scheduled so i am glad the school's staff and parent body were not intimidated

I wouldn't call 500 a "big flop," but it wasn't the massive turnout some feared.

Comments

[Racytorah]

The You Tube videos is not a proof of how the teenage girls would dress in a normal setting without the publicity.

[Shmarya]

The You Tube videos is not a proof of how the teenage girls would dress in a normal setting without the publicity.

Posted by: Racytorah | September 20, 2011 at 10:00 AM

Leave it to a haredi apologist like you to endorse violence against little girls.

You're sick and the haredim you cover for are sick.

[Phillip]

I truly hope the father's pf the school girls
are there to meet these perverts. I wonder
what the perverts would do if they had to
confront angry fathers who are also ex solders.

It will not be a pretty sight......

[ezra]

>Today's demonstration is endorsed by several haredi rabbis.
I don't see the "endorsement" of "several haredi rabbis" on the pashkevil. All it is signed by is איחוד ועדי השכונות בפיקוח הרבנים שליט"א, which doesn't necessarily mean anything more then the person who published the pashkevil.

[Apikorus Al Ha'esh]

There are no teenage girls involved. This is an elementary school, not a high school. The level of rhetoric is truly galling. I hope there is bloodshed.

[Shmarya]

>Today's demonstration is endorsed by several haredi rabbis.
I don't see the "endorsement" of "several haredi rabbis" on the pashkevil. All it is signed by is איחוד ועדי השכונות בפיקוח הרבנים שליט"א, which doesn't necessarily mean anything more then the person who published the pashkevil.

Posted by: ezra | September 20, 2011 at 10:23 AM

They apparently endorsed the protest orally in the synagogues and yeshivas.

[who knows]

It seems Racytorah, that you promote violence against little girls if they are not dressed according to your perverted taste.

[p]

They should have done this a long time ago. In a democracy it is alright to protest (peacefully) what they were doing in the past was wrong.

Work with the system, not against it.

[Dovit]

Racytorah, are you a Taliban Muslim? You sure act like it.

[OMG]

Posted by: p | September 20, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Moron, it is never right to protesting to take away democracy, your logic is akin to the 1930’s in Germany, before the Nuremburg laws were enacted the Nazis protested in front of Jewish owned business.

[Racytorah]

I never endorsed what the protesters are doing! I only said that I see plenty teenagers in the videos. High school starts at 14,15 years of age.

[Raphael Kaufman]

Most religious Zionists have arms in the home. Let the fathers of these kittle girls come armed to the school when the chareidim protest and shoot down the filty scum like the vermin they are. I don't mean that in a bad way.

[p]

Posted by: p | September 20, 2011 at 10:58 AM

Moron, it is never right to protesting to take away democracy

A healthy democracy has no problems with lawful protests, that is one of the pillars of a democracy. Wackos can protest and will in all probability show their colors and will be ignored. If the cause is just, democracy will grow and evolve because of it - like the protest movement in the past that led to women's right to vote.

It is not you or I who determines if the protest is legitimate, it simply must be legal and non-violent.

[Guest]

They apparently endorsed the protest orally in the synagogues and yeshivas

Posted by: Shmarya | September 20, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Shmaryah,

Do you have any proof of this? There is not one rabbi signed on the letter. All it says is "endorsed by leading rabbis". Anybody can write that. It doesn't mean shit.

So after you were called on that, you claim that the rabbis "orally" endorsed these protests. How do you know?

Let's see some real journalism.

[Alter Kocker]

If I were the father of one of these girls, I would risk my freedom by assaulting these pigs. How dare they attempt to force their will on those who want nothing to do with them. Indeed, their perverted thoughts, sexual and social immaturity leads them to commit these heinous acts. Throwing stones? An act of a childish mentality. Scaring little girls? Beastial!

The first brute who even shouted at my child would find their teeth on the ground.

[Phillip]

Alter

I would stand shoulder to shoulder with
you to protect these children.

[andre]

These "charadim" should be treated as niggers and sent back to the jungle where they came from. They are not meant to be among human beings.

[moshe]

Racy,
what you are saying also happens to be false. the school uniform has always required long sleeves and skirts and high necklines.

[OMG]

Posted by: p | September 20, 2011 at 11:39 AM

No, I didn’t object to the legality of a protest if it is done with permit, I am talking about the idea that it is ok to protest against civil liberties ala Nazis marching in Skokie IL, it is legal but repulsive. That is why I called you a moron. You fail to understand that what makes it legal does not make it right.

[OMG]

Posted by: andre | September 20, 2011 at 01:16 PM

This is not the Aryan Nation site, crawl back into your hole.

[Shmarya]

So after you were called on that, you claim that the rabbis "orally" endorsed these protests. How do you know?

Let's see some real journalism.

Posted by: Guest | September 20, 2011 at 11:55 AM

How do I know?

Because I'm a hell of a lot smarter than you and even more honest.

The real question is why you thought rabbis did not endorse the protest.

Now lift your beady eyes back up to my post and you'll see an update with another poster. That poster has the rabbis' names.

Then don't let the door hit your shiny ass on your way out of here.

[OMG]

Guest

Checkmate

[andre]

OMG
What the hell are you? I'm a torah observent jew but don't see myself as part of the "charadim" culture. Do you work for a living or are you also a parasite?

[OMG]

Posted by: andre | September 20, 2011 at 02:47 PM

You are a torah observant **racist** Jew, no different from the Aryan Nation. Why didn’t you swallow a box of rat poison?

[p]

You fail to understand that what makes it legal does not make it right.

Posted by: OMG | September 20, 2011 at 02:10 PM

Right and wrong is in the eye of the beholder. When there are protests there are usually two sides to the issue and what is viewed as right depends on what side of the fence you are sitting.

Protest is a mechanism of the democratic system. It must follow certain guidelines as to its conduct, but right and wrong is not usually at play. I am sure that when the women protested to have the right to vote there were many people who thought that they had no right to vote - hence no right to protest.

Peoples are frustrated because of the unique structure of the haredi society. People walk around basically as disconnected leaderless individuals and to get them to stand together and “take to the streets” is a herculean task left to major periods of upheaval. The haredim can muster up their masses at the drop of a “hat” and maintain it for as long as they are told to do so. Here in the US the Blacks had the necessary leadership and incentive to band together and protest to right the wrongs that existed in our “great democracy”. Believe me, many people objected to their protests but we are now the better for it.

I don’t mean to say that the haredim are right in what they are protesting but they have the right to protest. I personally feel that they should live in haredi neighborhoods with their crazy chumrahs. It should be gated, people should be checked for smartphones and flesh colored stockings. They should have segregated busses to take them to and from the kotel. They should leave people alone and people should leave them alone.

[SkepticalYid]

It would serve them right if the parents of the girls bombard them with rocks and dirty diapers. Give them a taste of their own behavior.

[OMG]

Posted by: p | September 20, 2011 at 03:16 PM

Again let me try one more time, if you talk about a private gated community, no problem they have the right to institute their rules, but we are talking about public property, no excuse period, as much as you cannot protest why African American walk on the same street as you live, you cannot protest others behavior. No matter how much spice you will add to the rotten fish, the fish is still rotten and it will make you sick. Repeatedly the courts ruled, there is no absolute freedom of speech, you cannot yell fire in a movie theater.

[Garnel Ironheart]

P's point, which is being missed by many, is that in a democracy where freedom of expression is protected by law people can protest peacefully about anything they want. We may find their point of view odious or repulsive, like in this case, but freedom of expression isn't supposed to limited to only those who agree with you.
As for calls to violence against these chareidim, it is all sooooo tempting but you know what will happen, right? The same police who stand by when the chareidim throw rocks and eggs will come down like a hammer on the Dati Leumi parents. If they crack down on the Chareidim, they know they'll be in for 1000's more coming out to riot and protest. If they crack down on the Dati Leumi they'll get a strongly worded letter of protest in the local paper.

[seymour]

What the hell are you? I'm a torah observent jew but don't see myself as part of the "charadim" culture. Do you work for a living or are you also a parasite?

Posted by: andre | September 20, 2011 at 02:47 PM

however you are a bigot a racist and of course that does not conflict with being a Torah observant Jew
since the Torah is a racist and bigoted document

[seymour]

They should have segregated busses to take them to and from the kotel. They should leave people alone and people should leave them alone.

Posted by: p | September 20, 2011 at 03:16 PM

but they don't and demand others to conform to them and if they do not get what they want they will riot

[OMG]

Posted by: Garnel Ironheart | September 20, 2011 at 03:29 PM

No, his point is well understood, as I said before the issue is not legality, the issue, am I appalled by their demands, the answer is yes, as I said before the Nazis marching in Skokie IL, as the court ruled it is legal but for me as a first generation of a holocaust survivors’ it is repulsive. On the other hand, if you have a slew of bikini clad young woman parading down Mea Shearim, what would they say, they will not say, it is legal no they will stone and throw dirty nappy’s at them.

[Guest]

Posted by: Shmarya | September 20, 2011 at 02:12 PM

Thanks Shmarya. That was great. You finally found the proof that rabbis endorsed it. I was waiting all morning.

[seymour]

Posted by: Guest | September 20, 2011 at 04:39 PM

the simple fact that no or almost no herdie rebbies speak up against these activities shows that on some level they agree

we all know they have no issues opening their mouths regarding issues they truly care about

[Dr. Dave]

Why are they out protesting instead of learning? They are allowed to avoid army service to learn, they are supported by the state to learn.

So why are they harassing young girls instead of learning Torah?

[ah-pee-chorus]

So why are they harassing young girls instead of learning Torah?

Posted by: Dr. Dave

terrorizing young girls is a bigger mitzvah so its docheh learning torah.

[jancsipista]

ah-pee-chorus- hahaha youre good apee my bar mitzva pashetel was about yom kippur dochei shabbas in certain instances,

[anuran]

Racytorah didn't get a big enough woodie from looking at the seven year olds. Hence, it's not really how they'd be dressing.

[anuran]

Alter Kocker, consider the following:

Assaulted children with deadly weapons (stones)
Physically obstructed their progress
Made death threats against children and were in a position to carry out those threats immediately
Physically stronger and more numerous than the victims
History of violence
Repeated incidents of rioting and other violent law-breaking

What have we got here?

Ability.
Opportunity.
Jeopardy.
Known pattern of violence.
Vast disparity of force.
Crimes showing callous disregard for innocent life.
Violent crime against children.

A reasonable person in that situation, knowing what we know, could reasonably conclude the children were in immediate and otherwise unavoidable danger of death or serious bodily injury. A good case could be made that any parent who rendered these scumbags into dogfood was acting in reasonable defense of herself or an innocent third party.

[ah-pee-chorus]

jancsipista -

thanks.

: anuran-

nice analysis.

[Jeff]

This all serves as validation for Shmarya's argument that the Hasidim (or most of them) were never much more than a gang of thugs. These people are unspeakable, and they are the fruit of two centuries of Hasidism. If there really were something redemptive or transformative about the belief system, they wouldn't have become so thoroughly degraded. You don't find this sort of thing among Buddhists. In cultures that traditionally have been Buddhist, yes - but not among people who claim to be religious. Certainly not among Buddhists who are "frum".