D.A. Says No Plea Bargain For Levi Aron

Brooklyn D.A. Charles Hynes says no plea bargain from confessed child killer Levi Aron, who pleaded innocent today to the murder of 8-year-old Leiby kletzky.

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[Pinchos Dov]

Where's the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District? Aron crossed state lines. There's a video.

[Hakham Yosef Haim]

Let him plead guilty and get away with having to spend only 65 years in jail and be eligible for parole in 65 years when he will be 100 years old.

[seymour]

why no plea bargain if it keeps him in jail until 100 or even 90

[effie]

You can't stop a defendant from pleading guilty. And the feds won't step in unless it merits the death penalty. While technically it does, I can't see the feds charging it.

[emmylou]

He cut off a boy's feet and put them in the fridge. He is nuts. He should be incarcerated in one way or another. Possibly in a psych ward.

I know that it's natural to want to see him dead. But to kill him makes us no better than him. And we must be better than him.

Life incarcerated is probably worse than death.
Death in the chair is swift and painless. A life sentience is endless, makes one think.

[Larry]

why is Rhonnie Jaus on this case ??

[effie]

If a life sentence was so much worse than death, you wouldn't have 99.9% of the inmates on death row doing everything they can to avoid it.

Life in prison means a job. Lifers tend to get the better jobs, too. Life means visits and phone calls and classes. Life means there is always a chance you could get out someday. Don't mouth this crap that life is worse than death. It isn't.

Also, the perverts can just continue to fantasize about their crimes while jerking off and also swap stories with their fellow prisoners for masturbatory titillation.

Under the law, he is not insane. He knew the difference between right and wrong as demonstrated by his attempts to hide his crimes. He certainly earned the death penalty.

[dh]

His actions after the crime have no bearing on his sanity when committing the crime of murder. Regardless, Effie, it is not for you to determine.

"Nuts" isn't in the DSM. Try "Nuttier Than a Fruitcake."

[Stan]

life in jail for a child molester/killer is worse than death. they are considered the lowest of the low by the inmate population. if he gets life he will likely get AIDS w/in a few months

[Leah]

Death in the chair is swift and painless. and cheap.

A life sentience is endless and a waste of taxpayer's money.

[Stan]

once he gets to jail, he will be shanked before he eats his 1st kosher meal

[effie]

His actions after the crime have no bearing on his sanity when committing the crime of murder.

His actions immediately before and after the crime are absolutely relevant. It shows consciousness of guilt, i.e., that he knew the difference between right and wrong and therefore was not insane at the time he committed the crime.

Try "Nuttier Than a Fruitcake.

Okay...dh, you're nuttier than a fruitcake.

[DF]

"once he gets to jail, he will be shanked before he eats his 1st kosher meal

Posted by: Stan | August 04, 2011 at 02:00 PM"

Hey Stan:

You really love hating orthodox Jews - don't you?

It seems Levy Aron doesn't care too much about Kosher food:

"Detective asked defendant if he wanted something to eat. Defendant said "yes". Detective asked if he wanted something kosher. Defendant said "No, I eat anything". Detective suggested McDonald's or Burger King. Defendant stated Mcdonald's was fine. Detective stated that Chinese food was quicker. Defendant agreed."

Quote from here: http://cbsnewyork.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/levi_aron_disclosure.pdf

As Shmarya loves to say: "Process that"

[effie]

Kosher meals tastes better than the other food they serve in prison/jail. So, I have no doubt he will soon be requesting kosher meals.

[dh]

Dearest Effie, mens rea post crime doesn't go to show legal sanity in committing the crime. Now, back to school for you.

What a Gentleman you are.

[Aliza T.]

Welcome to the death penalty debate. I, for one, say we should use it in cases like these. The guy admitted to it so there's no debate there. The only question is whether or not he's insane, which will prob be the main focus of the defense as it is. So if found guilty, i dont see any reason in the world not to give creeps like this the death penalty. (and ave all the $$$ we waste keeping these sickos alive)

[Stan]

DF - what's your point now that we know youre a great monday morning quarterback?

[Yoel Mechanic]

Death in the chair is swift and painless. and cheap.

A life sentience is endless and a waste of taxpayer's money.

Posted by: Leah | August 04, 2011 at 01:57 PM
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The idea that a death penalty is cheaper than a life sentence is very unlikely considering all the legal fees. Our system (rightfully) is adverse to making an irreversible mistake. Some data points:(do your own google search to see what I mean)

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The Washington State Bar Association, adopted the Apr. 13, 2007 "Final Report of the Death Penalty Subcommittee of the Committee on Public Defense," which stated:

"It costs significantly more to try a capital case to final verdict than to try the same case as an aggravated murder case where the penalty sought is life without possibility of parole.

At the trial level, death penalty cases are estimated to generate roughly $470,000 in additional costs to the prosecution and defense over the cost of trying the same case as an aggravated murder without the death penalty and costs of $47,000 to $70,000 for court personnel.

On direct appeal, the cost of appellate defense averages $100,000 more in death penalty cases, than in non-death penalty murder cases.

Personal restraint petitions filed in death penalty cases on average cost an additional $137,000 in public defense costs.

On direct appeals and personal restraint petitions, the prosecutor spends significant attorney time responding to the issues raised by the defendant to the Washington Supreme Court. If a death penalty defendant does not succeed before the Washington State Supreme Court, additional defense costs will be incurred in a habeas corpus petition to the federal court and appeals to the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeal and the U.S. Supreme Court. The Washington State Attorney General must provide attorneys to defend the death penalty sentence before the federal courts."

Apr. 13, 2007 - Washington State Bar Association (WSBA)
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The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), in a 2002 presentation from its Capital Punishment Project titled "The High Costs of the Death Penalty," concluded:

"The available evidence is clear: the death penalty costs more than life imprisonment without the possibility of parole. At every step in the process, a capital defendant receives greater constitutional guarantees than non-capital defendants, which costs time and resources. As a result, total costs for each capital case run into the millions of dollars.

While it is the politicians and legislators who often support the death penalty, local counties and communities must bear the financial burden of imposing a capital punishment system, often to the detriment of other health and social services.

With life imprisonment available at a much cheaper, fairer, and more humane form of punishment, the high costs of the death penalty, and their burdens on local governments, simply are not worth whatever benefits may be claimed for it."

2002 - American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU)
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There is much more to be said, but suffice to say it is rather cavalier to insist that a life sentence is a waste of money.

[Morris]

Hey Stan- You seem to know a lot about life in prison. Care to share something with all of us??????

[Stan]

Sure Morris - I watched every single episode of OZ on HBO.

[Adams]

whichever is less costly would be better although this is a case where he deserves to be executed. I just walked past one of the landmarks of this case, the wheels for lease, and almost fell down.

[JK]

Death in the chair is swift and painless. and cheap.

A life sentience is endless and a waste of taxpayer's money.

Posted by: Leah | August 04, 2011 at 01:57 PM

Is that a chair you'd like to sit in?

And it's not cheap at all. The price to the rest of us (not in dollars) is too high. I have no objection to paying taxes to keep him confined if convicted.

[effie]

States that have abolished the DP have not saved money:
http://goo.gl/0Mn1w

[effie]

Dearest Effie, mens rea post crime doesn't go to show legal sanity in committing the crime.

Of course it does. A quick google:

"Boyda also claims his behavior after the shooting, which he characterizes as “visiting,” convincingly supports his insanity theory.   However, his actions also support an inference of flight.   In cases where the defendant has plead insanity, various other jurisdictions have held that a jury may draw an inference of guilt from the accused's flight immediately following the commission of the crime.   See Flenory v. State, 588 So.2d 940, 942 (Ala.Crim.App.1991) (“[T]he conduct of the appellant and his demeanor immediately following the criminal activity can provide an inference of sanity.”);  Cunningham v. State, 426 So.2d 484, 490 (Ala.Crim.App.1982) (In insanity cases, “[f]light from justice, and its analogous conduct, [are] deemed indicative of a consciousness of guilt.”);  Wallin v. State, 646 S.E.2d 484, 489 (Ga.Ct.App.2007) (finding no prejudice in ineffective-assistance-of-counsel claim in part because “flight can serve as evidence of defendant's consciousness of guilt” in insanity cases) (citation and internal quotations omitted);  Welborn v. Commonwealth, 157 S.W.3d 608, 615 (Ky.2005) (In insanity cases, “[f]light and attempt at concealment are circumstantial evidence of guilt because they suggest a guilty state of mind.”)."
http://goo.gl/hQ0ZX

Not only did Aron demonstrate consciousness of guilt when he killed the boy because he knew people were looking for him, he also demonstrated consciousness of guilt when he dismembered the body in order to conceal his crime.

What a Gentleman you are.

What an idiot you are...

[effie]

Yoel Mechanic: Don't be fooled. The abolitionist movement also wants to end lwop, life, and any sentence over 20-30 years. They want us to become like europe where cold blooded murderers average about 11 years in prison. No thanks!

[No Light]

Effie- Europe is not a country. You can't say that 'Europe' does anything, as each member state acts very differently in almost every aspect. In the same way, boxers, labradors, yorkies and great danes are all dogs, but they're all very different kinds of dogs. Knowing everything there is to know about boxer dogs won't tell you much about yorkies. Europe is like that, it's just a name for a loose collection of countries that are, at their hearts, very different.

[effie]

No Light: Sure I can. Watch: The sentencing of violent offenders in european countries, aka, Europe, is an embarrassment with an average of 11 years in prison. The European Court of Human Rights also contributes to the problem. These people have never met a murderer they didn't slobber over.

[dh]

My precious Effie, you forgot to Shepardize. You also fail to cite anything that holds in all jurisdictions. One should never do legal research by Googling. Nu? You don't have a lawyer in the family you can run to? Now read it again slowly. I'm glad, though, that you are doing this with your awake hours. We can only hope it will keep your crotchety mind active.

Take good care of yourself, Effers.

[effie]

My imbecile dh: I didn't forget anything. This is why I hate wasting my time on morons like you. I figured even a complete idiot like you would know how to google. However, the case was in FindLaw. But, there is nothing wrong with using Google Scholar for legal research if you know how to use it, which, of course, you never will. Seriously, this is Evidence 101 and Crim. Law 101. Stop making a fool out of yourself which in your case would require you to stop commenting altogether. No doubt you will continue to blather on because you are too stupid to know you are wrong.

Take you meds, dh...

[sara maimon]

The DA should not treat this case different than any other murder. I don't know what happens to other murderers. If they get to plea bargain, Levi Aron should do the same. The fact that a gazillion frum voters are watching should not affect the DAs handling of the case.

[sara maimon]

Is dismembering a dead body a even a crime? If so it is surely a far lesser crime than murder. I don't see why that should weigh into things.

[dh]

Ef, Effers, Effie, The Efmeister, my precious morsel, what do you think of a person that intends to insult by saying "Take you (sic, possibly) meds," As a learned Efer, what does Torah say about that?

All the best Efer. Be well.

[effie]

Sara: I agree. A prosecutor will offer a plea bargain if there are problems with proving the case or in the interest of justice. Here, there are no problems of proof and it was a horrible crime. NY is not a death penalty state. But, there is no reason for him to ever see the light of day.

[anonymouse]

ust got off the phone with my mom. she's convinced levi aron wasnt from a 'regular' family but a russian immigrant. another cousin of mine (also from boro park) claims he's a sephardi. on israeli message boards he's been labeled a 'baal teshuva'...yet another moron is spreading a rumor that he's the son of a catholic italian mother and his real name is 'dewopa' (no such name in italian). basically the FRUMMA are unable, nay unwilling to admit that the murderer came from their own midst.

I know the arons, they are neither italian, nor russian, nor baal teshuva, nor sephardi, they are a regular (relatively) litvish family from kensington (with relatives in lakewood and other haredi centers). both levi and his father attended torah vodaas (do a search and you'll find levi aron's class from 1985). levi also attended the now defunct yeshiva bais isaac zvi in boro park, that was once headed by rabbi Izak Helberg.

hopefully the haredim can PROCESS all that.....

[A. Nuran]

I can't imagine why there would be a plea bargain here.

There's a confession.
There's plenty of evidence.
It looks like the police dotted all the is and crossed all the ts.
Insanity defenses are very, very rarely successful.
A plea look very bad for the DA.
A conviction would look great.