A Hasidic Disregard For Human Life?

Police, FEMA and other government agencies warned people to stay indoors today, because the trees weakened by the storm may still come down in the high winds without notice, and power lines may come down with them or even on their own. But do hasidim listen to secular authorities?

Certainly some hasidim do listen to these warnings, but many others do not.

Indeed, a hasidic man was killed in Spring Valley today after he tried to rescue a child who was being electrocuted by a downed power line, and there are credible reports of hasidic schools holding classes today, even though police, fire, FEMA, and local government officials have all begged people to stay inside because of the danger.

VIN posted this picture today on its front page as the over the fold full page picture. It was taken in Borough Park earlier today.

To VIN's credit, the headline above the photo is "Stay Inside."

Too bad so many hasidim won't listen to reason but will listen to their rabbis who are endangering lives by ignoring police, and other governmental warnings.

Update 4:21 pm CDT – More of the same: Haredi kids riding bikes in floodwaters in a Passaic, New Jersey park today. [Hat Tip: Marisa]:

Update 6:05 pm CDT – Here's a video shot in Borough Park today. At about 6:25 you can see hasidic kids outside and power lines down 15 feet from them. You can also hear the wind gusting:

 

Comments

[Anon]

We don't have to listen to the goyim. Hashem is watching over all the chassidishe yinglach.

Hashem sent the hurricane to punish us for Gays.

That's what my Rebbe, Yehuda Levin says.

[WoolSilkCotton]

If that tree limb breaks or falls further, and those kids get hurt, the frumma will look for who to sue.

[The Real Joe]

Why do expect people to listen to FEMA they don't exactly have a great track record but yes Hemishes don't have a lot of street smarts and that can be problematic

[WoolSilkCotton]

A car with serious damage may have its electrical system compromised, and could cause a fatal shock if touched. When firemen approach such a car, the first thing they do is ground the car, then they cut the connections to the battery.

But why should the frumma care? The rebbe says its fine. They can always sue the owner of the car, or they can sue NYC.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Maybe if the car belongs to a goy, and the door is broken open, the frumma can steal whatever valuables are inside. It's all a big mitzvah.

[David]

They simple have no clue.

They don't have the basic qualifications to survive or participate in modern society.

Their rebbes have made them into mindless, helpless, uneducated, unqualified, immoral useless parasites. It's unprecedented in Jewish history that Jews have lived like this.

[David]

If that tree limb breaks or falls further, and those kids get hurt, the frumma will look for who to sue.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | August 28, 2011 at 03:52 PM

And knowing the frumma as I do, I wonder how many such situations will be engineered so they can lodge false claims?

[Proton Soup]

just how much voltage are autos running these days?

btw, grounding a chassis won't do squat. nor would the chassis be dangerous in any way. only if a power line is down on the vehicle. batteries are isolated voltage sources. the potential floats relative to whatever it's connected to.

[Shmaryah,is a dirty filthy self hating rat]

Shmaryah,you filthy dirty rat,i have no doubt in my mind,had you lived 65 yrs ago during the nazi era,you would have been chosen by Hitler,to be the chief editor of the nazi rag,Der Sturmer,and you would have been the chief KAPO,and you would have with a smile on your ugly face,chased your own brothers and sisters into the gas chambers

[Shmarya]

Shmaryah,you filthy dirty rat,i have no doubt in my mind,had you lived 65 yrs ago during the nazi era,you would have been chosen by Hitler,to be the chief editor of the nazi rag,Der Sturmer,and you would have been the chief KAPO,and you would have with a smile on your ugly face,chased your own brothers and sisters into the gas chambers

Posted by: Shmaryah,is a dirty filthy self hating rat | August 28, 2011 at 04:08 PM

Boy. All that for trying to save lives.

Maybe you're right. Maybe hasidim should listen to their rabbis about this, or act as they would on any normal day if their rabbis are silent.

Then all the people killed by power lines and trees and flash floods would be true martyrs.

That's what you mean, right?

Or do you just mean that you're embarrassed this news was made public and your rabbis made to look bad because of it, and you'd rather hate me than you admit your rabbis are incompetent?

Which is it?

[mordecai]

The brave hassid was trying to save a life. G-d bless.

[Shmaryah,aka ''Julius Streicher'' is a dirty filthy self hating rat,]

Shmaryah,you dirty filthy Nazi rat,are you telling us,that the rabbi's told the chasidim, to go outside,and not to listen to the authorities ? you jew hating,self hating piece of human garbage,you should change your name to Julius Streicher,he and Hitler would have been very proud of you

[WoolSilkCotton]

Proton, are you claiming that a car battery can't give you a serious shock and catastrophic burn if the positive side is exposed and you grab it, while gripping the car's chassis with your other hand, especially when you and everything around you is wet?

Try touching the red and black cables to each other and see what happens. Would you like your body to be in the middle of that?

You obviously know a thing or two about this. I make no claims of expertise, but I've attended first-responder lectures given by firefighters, and that is what was stated.

Tree limbs, especially wet ones, are also good conductors, as stated in those same lectures. If there is a torn exposed power line touching it, it could conduct electricity through the tree limb, with potentially disastrous effects.

[Shmarya]

Shmaryah,you dirty filthy Nazi rat,are you telling us,that the rabbi's told the chasidim, to go outside,and not to listen to the authorities ? you jew hating,self hating piece of human garbage,you should change your name to Julius Streicher,he and Hitler would have been very proud of you

Posted by: Shmaryah,aka ''Julius Streicher'' is a dirty filthy self hating rat, | August 28, 2011 at 04:32 PM

So you mean to say that no hasidic schools opened today?

Or do you mean to say that lots of hasidic rabbis did NOT tell their followers to stay inside, but athe same time, they did NOT tell them to go outside, so therefore – even though hasidim habitually ignore zoning, fire safety and building codes, health codes, etc., with the blessings of their rebbes, which has been well documented – the rabbis who remained silent are not at fault for remaining silent?

Or do you just mean that you can't stand it when the garbage of your world is exposed, so you hate whoever exposes it rather than fixing it?

[seymour]

Posted by: Shmaryah,aka ''Julius Streicher'' is a dirty filthy self hating rat, | August 28, 2011 at 04:32 PM

I think you are in error, since these people are proving again and again they are not following Torah, halacha and to tell you the truth their actions seems to indicate they are not Jewish either

[seymour]

Posted by: Shmarya | August 28, 2011 at 04:39 PM

while I disagrre that showing children playing is prove of frummies ignoring fema since i am sure manyn others kids did the same

the frum school does show their disregard to experts in safety matters.

On Vin there seems to be enough evidence that the schools did open.

and if this boy was outside waiting for a bus the schools administration should be charges with murder

[OMG]

Posted by: Shmaryah,aka ''Julius Streicher'' is a dirty filthy self hating rat, | August 28, 2011 at 04:32 PM

Your parents would have done well, if only they would abort you, piece of refuse.

[chelay]

you are absolutely right. It is only these damn hassidim that dont listen to warning of the authorties. They have complete disregard of human life.
Only gentiles, especially immigrants, legal or not, and african americans, they have it all. They listen to the authorities, and they have such high regards to human life.
Thats why the prisons are full of them hassids druggies, dealers and murderers.
WE MUST DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
Perhaps we need another hitler ysv

[Abcdef]

Right, only hasidic kids are human and don't want to be stuffed at home and want to go outside.

Of course there are no white, black, hispanic, asian, or other kids playing outside, only hasidic.

People who don't spend all day cooped up at a computer will actually be going out, hasidic or not.

Seriously, get a life.

[David]

Proton, are you claiming that a car battery can't give you a serious shock and catastrophic burn if the positive side is exposed and you grab it, while gripping the car's chassis with your other hand, especially when you and everything around you is wet?

Nasty burn due to resistive heating of wires under certain circumstances and also the possibility of a battery explosion. YES. Shock, no.

[joe shmoe]

in BP or Will all the schools where closed, what a schock shmarya, Idiot

[Critical minyan]

Shmarya is right to publish this. It's a callous disregard for safety. There have been 12 people who died in this storm so far and two are ultra-orthodox Jews. Safety first, then shaitels.

[Anon]

Fleischmanns, NY - The Borough Park woman who was trapped in the Valkyrie Motel (reported earlier by VIN News) located in Fleishmanns, New York when it was swept away by floodwaters, was found dead by the special team who was brought in to save her.
Mrs. Leah Stern, who was reported to be in her seventies, was unable to escape the motel when it was evacuated at approximately 8 AM this morning, as raging waters from a nearby lake flooded Main Street and uprooted the motel.
Mrs. Stern had been heard yelling for help for some time after the motel was uprooted but those in the area reported that by approximately 3:30 this afternoon, her voice could no longer be heard.
Mrs. Stern’s husband managed to evacuate safely from the motel.

Reportedly, she refused to be seen in public without her shaitel and designer dress. :-(

[Shmarya]

in BP or Will all the schools where closed, what a schock shmarya, Idiot

Posted by: joe shmoe | August 28, 2011 at 05:09 PM

I'm not sure that's true, but I hope it is. But some hasidic schools/camps WERE open in the Spring Valley area. And that is exactly what I wrote.

[seymour]

Reportedly, she refused to be seen in public without her shaitel and designer dress. :-(

Posted by: Anon | August 28, 2011 at 05:13 PM

ger real

[devorah]

"in BP or Will all the schools where closed, what a schock shmarya, Idiot"

Posted by: joe shmoe | August 28, 2011 at 05:09 PM

In Monsey, they were open, idiot. And it's not "where" closed. It's "were," idiot twice.

[Joe in Australia]

WoolSilkCotton: In theory someone can be killed by a 9-volt battery but in practice it's inconceivable that people touching a car will at risk from the current of its 12-volt battery.

And I very much doubt that firemen would bother cutting the connection to the battery for risk of electric shock; if you've seen them do it it's probably because they don't want leaking gas to get ignited by sparks from faulty wiring.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Joe, you're probably right. What you describe about potential leaking gas and potential for a spark is also a good reason for kids not to be playing around a car that a huge falling tree just smashed into.

[Aussie]

Shmaryah,you dirty filthy Nazi rat,

Posted by: Shmaryah,is a dirty filthy self hating rat | August 28, 2011 at 04:08 PM

Shame on you for calling another Jew a Nazi...
Shmarya does a great job....

You on the other hand are just scum...
You should apologise at once or be be banned from posting here...

[Adam Neira]

Points...

The boys playing on the downed tree and riding their bikes are fine. After the bombings of the Blitz in WWII many kids in London would play amongst the ruins.

If a man ventured out and saw a boy being electrocuted he would have been right to do anything to save him. Many people do not understand the dangers of fallen power lines. In times of extreme weather events many people can make bad decisions. At such times people's minds also become chaotic, when in fact the universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive.

Any person whether Hasidic or not should be attune to the elements. There were sad cases of people who perished in the terrible Victorian bushfires of Feb. 2008 driving to have a picnic in their air conditioned cars when it was going to be 47 degrees Celsius and there had been no rain for months. Some knowledge about geography, meteorology and the urban/rural environment is vital. Moses was a great "bushman" I'm sure with all the years he spent in the Sinai. Too much cloistering or closing off from the world is extremely unhealthy. Some groups have endeavored to shut out the world because they perceive everone else to be evil. I think it is now time for them to engage and get out into the sunlight a little more.

The in-fighting, slander and abuse being shown by some Jews to other Jews here at FM and elsewhere as at late August 2011 is disgraceful. Ticking off or correcting is good, but adolescent sniping is a waste of time. Move on everyone. G-d is trying to wake everyone up. An empire of concern can be established if everyone would just open their eyes up. The universe is abundant.

[shmarya the putz]

Yet again another dick headed post

[bmos]

Let's see police had to rescue 5 kids in a boat, oh that doesn't count, they were not hareidi. they were in fact not Jewish. Hundreds of others also. Hundreds were in bars in new york. Thousands didn't listen to police to evacuate and instead stayed in dangerous areas. Gee Shmarya, maybe you could write an article with a bid headline how gentiles did not listen to Fema and police and put lives in danger.

[Mark]

Shmarya...LOL.

You wouldn't know truth if it hit you square on your ass. I know MUCH more about you than you realize.

Your hatred for all things religious makes you twist the truth until it become a your invention entirely... We all know your blog is cheap, mean trash from a tiny deranged person.

What once began as a cause has long since become an obsession to you, to give meaning to your pathetic meaningless life..obese fat slob living in his mothers basement..stewing in his own bile and poison. LOL

You have become the exact cartoon of a JEW that you hate so much.

Every entry I read on your blog, I picture your pathetic worthless ass spilling over the sides of the chair, convincing yourself your are doing something worthwhile.

You are the fraud you accuse everyone else of being. A very average JEW, ripping other Jews. Nazi, Anti-Semites, and Islamic publications copy and paste and "Favorite" your blog.

I promise, the next Holocaust will give you plenty of credit.

Perhaps an honorary medal.

Your blog literally throws logs into the crematorium fires.

Good work. There WILL be blood on your hands.

LOL...Pathetic fraud.

Hey..at least you are on Wikipedia.

[David]

WSC: Proton, are you claiming that a car battery can't give you a serious shock and catastrophic burn if the positive side is exposed and you grab it, while gripping the car's chassis with your other hand, especially when you and everything around you is wet?

David: Nasty burn due to resistive heating of wires under certain circumstances and also the possibility of a battery explosion. YES. Shock, no.

Posted by: David | August 28, 2011 at 05:05 PM

Clarification - I misread the question. If you touch the positive of the battery and the car chassis you will feel nothing.

If you do the same with a piece of wire - then you will have a short if the fuse is bypassed and the wire can heat up and burn you and/or the battery could explode if the short is bad enough and under the "right" conditions.

[ronininja]

Listen fools, I have seen people going surfing when I lived in the Cribbean during hurricanes, yes, during hurricanes. Their rationale was that they would not get such nice giant waves under normal conditions. Some drowned some didn't, such is life, and trust me they were no Hassids.

Lack of common sense occurs in all walks of life.

[charlie runkel]

for the person who cursed you out shmarya is right you call anyone who disagrees with you a racist bigot ect, you hate frum people so much anything they do is automatically bc of what the rabbis say or dont speak out against shmarya people who do these careless and stupid stuff concerning safety do it out of their own foolishness but somehow a bbal tshuva from minnesota got it right and every frum rabbi is trying their best to hurt their congregation. are they perfect ? far from it but you are a sicko to look for problems as if religious people are the only ones with it

[batyahgirl@yahoo.com]

I guess when you have 15 kids, you can afford to lose a few. Being cooped up all day with that many kids in a tiny hovel might also influence your subconscious mind to push them out the door into danger. Who knows? I was appalled to see so much child neglect in Israel every single day. Maybe the mothers are severely depressed and not thinking. I don't know. It's weird.

As for those attacking Shmarya, please, get a grip. So far as I can tell, his criticisms have been largely correct. I don't always agree with his take on things, but calling him a Nazi? How absurd.

[Mark]

Batya..with all due respect, it's not absurd.

Words can kill as much as electrical wires.

But Shmarya knows that well. That's his goal. He has told that to many people.

Destroy the frum.

Is that your goal as well?

[Shmarya]

…But Shmarya knows that well. That's his goal. He has told that to many people.

Destroy the frum.…

Posted by: Mark | August 29, 2011 at 02:07 AM

When have I ever said "destroy the frum"?

[Mark]

You have said it. Not in writing, but to people. People I know, who you speak to. They have said you are obsessed and there is nothing anyone can door say to you.

It's a pity, because some of what you say can help heal.

But you are a slave to your blog, to your clicks and to your vendetta.

[Mark]

Hi again!!!

Like I said, I have a year off to kill. Thousand of hours of free time.

And your blog is my "project" for the year.

I will be logging in again and again using tens of different names and emails.

I will occupy your days and nights.

I will water down your hateful blog to the point of irrelevance.

Oh what fun we will have together!!

On your mark, get set....

GO!

(I don't sleep much either:)

[Shmarya]

You have said it. Not in writing, but to people. People I know, who you speak to. They have said you are obsessed and there is nothing anyone can door say to you.

It's a pity, because some of what you say can help heal.

But you are a slave to your blog, to your clicks and to your vendetta.

Posted by: Mark | August 29, 2011 at 02:38 AM

Either your friends are lying or you're lying because I've never said it.

As for your threat in the comment immediately above this, realize that what you just threatened to do is illegal.

Also recognize that I can find you.

And then realize that one day there will be a knock at your door and it will be a process server.

And when I finish with you in court, you will pay damages.

[Adam Neira]

To Mark,

Go and get a life. I feel sorry for you. Shmarya and FM is not perfect but some very interesting and thought provoking discussions occur here. It is a little gem in an ocean of internet dross. If you can't handle the kitchen don't torch it. Just get out.

[Adam Neira]

To Mark,

I'm not sure if there is a similar expression in the Tanach to the following, but if you are not careful you may suffer the said fate.

"For whom G-d wishes to destroy he first makes mad."

- Seneca

[Yirmiyahu]

"Mrs. Stern’s husband managed to evacuate safely from the motel."

You've got to ask yourself, what kind of husband abandons his wife in the middle of a flood.

[avraham]

shamariah is doing a very important mitzvah.
Don't worry about the insults as Rebbi Nachman said the main repentance is to hear your insult and to be quiet. so for every insult you receive one more sin gets blotted out. Keep up the good work shamariah.

[Adam Neira]

To Yirmiyahu and Avraham,

Are you swarming FM perhaps, with tricky comments ?

Trying to take control of the blog and shape it how you would like ?

[Uzi Ben Asher]

Mark is right. Shmarya is obsessed with sliming the orthodox, even when they deserve it.

You're gonna sue him? For stating his opinion, which I and many others here agree with? You DO have a vendetta. And you've put it in writing. All one has to do is read this blog.

Well first, you're gonna have to pay a filing fee, and hire a lawyer. He's not gonna work on contingency, so you'll have to shell out the bucks. Process servers aren't free either, and in most states, you can't do it yourself.

Real judges, and real courts, don't have time to adjudicate Internet flame wars, especially one as trivial as this. Maybe you can take this to Judge Judy. It would make for interesting entertainment.

Moreover, the publicity will not exactly be helpful to you. People who you've threatened in the past, of whom there are many, will come out of the woodwork and lay all kinds of hell on you. Plus this will be publicized in the media. I can guarantee this won't be favorable to you.

"Well, he insulted me!" "He posted on under different names!" "Case dismissed with prejudice, next case."

What you did was threaten someone who merely disagreed with you (and got it right) with a lawsuit. That's actionable right there.

Grow up. You write a blog that dishes it out, you're gonna take some heat right back. It comes with the territory.

[devorah]

Mark, instead of wasting all that negative energy, perhaps you can tutor some of the Yeshiva kids who are not learning how to speak or write English. Do something positive with all your time. Your people need help desperately in life skills, work skills, family skills. Your negativity-hate can cause heart disease and even cancer. Is it worth dying over this website?

[Gevezener Chusid]

I live in a basically 100% goyishe neighborhood and similar scenes could have been photographed all over the place.

Has (as often the anti-Jewish posts on this blog) absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the "perpetrators'" religious background.

[Yirmiyahu]

Dear Adam Neria,

I don't know what you mean by "swarming" & "tricky comments". I post infrequently and my comment was pretty forthright. BTW -I went to your cult website "World Peace 2050". Jews for J or Moonies?

Yirmiyahu

[Shmarya]

…You're gonna sue him? For stating his opinion, which I and many others here agree with? You DO have a vendetta. And you've put it in writing. All one has to do is read this blog.…

Posted by: Uzi Ben Asher | August 29, 2011 at 07:59 AM

Morris or Uzi or whatever the hell your name is, we've already established that you're not bright, and that you have serious reading comprehension issues.

But try to concentrate and apply yourself.

Mark threatened to commit crimes, and that threat itself is a crime.

I don't care whether a reader agrees with me or not.

I even allow a pompous windbag like you to post.

But threatening to commit crimes is a different story.

I will pursue him and his friends, I will hunt him down, and I will make sure that he's served and, if that isn't feasible, I will give all the data and evidence to the US Attorney and let the US Attorney get Mark and his friends in a position where I can serve them.

And I will not stop until he is brought to justice and pays damages.

And I will do so without any mercy, with the intent of depriving him and his friends financial security for the rest of their lives.

[Uzi Ben Asher]

What crimes? Has he threatened to kick your ass? Burn your house down? Kill you? Those are serious threats.

What damages? Have his rants cost you advertisers?

I believe "Mark" (who's not me nor anyone I know, let's get this straight right now) isn't particularly subtle, is childish, and comes off as a bit of a shmuck. But he's not violating any laws.

You, on the other hand, are coming across as the "heavy" here. You're making yourself look petty and foolish in the face of an imaginary "threat." That sure won't help your case.

[Shmarya]

Perhaps, Uzi, you should consult an attorney skilled in Internet harassment law.

Spaming is illegal. When it's done to negatively impact a business or organization, it is criminal.

[Shmarya the douche bag]

so is committing libel and slander but that never seems to stop you

[seymour]

mark and others

Fm just reports the stupidity of how the ultra Orthodox have distorted Judaism to fit their crum behavior.

if the frum would not act like gangsters when one of them get caught committing a crime.
Or, maybe when rebbies would stop saying stupid things like wait till after shabbos to call 911 about a fallen power-line. Or maybe admit that the yeshiva boys where not innocent little boys but people who knew they where smuggling antiques. and maybe if they would turn there anger and benzion Miller who sent these boys to japan instead of calling japan evil and saying that the earthquake was because they are holding these boys.

and of course stop protecting molesters and harass the victim FM would have a completely different tone.

but as long as the frum act like asses the tone will reflect reality.

to bad you do not like that the world will know what the frum really are instead of the myth that you portray.

You do not follow Judaism. the Talmud rebbies would spit and curse 90% of the frum gedolem today for their actions and what they tell theri followers to do.

Fist off not to learn a profession the Talmud was against that and said it clearly but todays gedolem seems to have skipped that part and many other parts that deal with ethics and commonsense

[Mendy Hecht]

C'mon Shmarya, don't hit a man when he's down. I live not too far from where this happened and I heard that ConEd came and put the downed wire back up after the hurricane--but didn't do a terribly great job so it came back down later, at which point the victim saw a kid getting zapped having touched the wire... and pulled him away but was left not being able to save himself.

That kid is now in critical condition.

Instead of lambasting a few people for irresponsible behavior, we should be lauding this young husband, father and hero for sacrificing his life to save a little kid he may well have not even known.

[Sohn of Schneer]

If you don't like what Shmarya writes then don't waste your valuable time here.

I am very grateful for this site. It offers the entire world and the Jewish community in particular a small window on the filth and depravity of the so-called religious Jewish world. Having lived much of my life in that hell I can tell you that what Shmarya reports is just the tip of the iceberg.

May this site become more and more popular every day, every month ,every year.

Shmarya is a true eved hashem in the mitzvah he does of daily informing the world of the bearded hypocrites who are destroying this wonderful world and shaming the Jewish people.

[Skepticalyid]

You frimma jackasses who throw around the words Nazi, crematoria and holocaust whenever anyone is critical of your communities are disgusting. How dare you trivialize the real suffering of the holocaust victims and survivors with your verbal diarrhea?

[Uzi Ben Asher]

Mendy, excellent post. That's what we should be talking about, this fellow who gave his life to save a man and a child. Instead, Shmarya makes empty threats about a lawsuit and bringing criminal charges against some clown who's merely being a gadfly who pushes Shmarya's buttons. Well, more than a gadfly, but hardly worthy of a court's time.

I don't know if the Good Samaritan was frum or even Jewish. It makes no difference. He's a hero.

[SimanTov]

Shmarya is a good man. He just is very very angry so he can't tell a story without embellishing or commenting in a way to make chareidi look bad.
So it seems like without his commentary, most of these stories would be plain stories about good and evil in the world.
But Shmarya needs to clump all chareidi jews into a stereotype.
Come to think of it, antisemites also do that.
I guess his critics were right after all.

[Uzi Ben Asher]

A lot of non-Hasidic people went out during and after the storm, too. We live in northern NJ, and got 7" of rain. Not much wind damage at all. We were without power for 11 hours, not so bad considering that after lesser storms we've been out for two days.

My wife and I went out to inspect damage on Sunday morning, before our power had been restored. It was still raining and drizzling, although not heavily.

We found a downed wire on a back road, reported it and turned around. Most of our community didn't lose power but our development is always the lucky one.

We ended up eating our non-kosher breakfast at the local Perkins. Bacon and eggs are good anytime, but especially after a rough night. I am 100% sure that our continual and habitual violations of the Sabbath and many if not most of the 613 halachic laws will cause more bad weather in New Jersey in the future.

Then it was back to work bailing out the basement. While I was bailing, power was miraculously restored. By this time, I had almost finished brooming the water out the back door (I have a walkout basement) so the sump had little work to do.

The downed wire was still down as of late Monday afternoon, although it was marked off with cones. Most of the flooded streams were back to near-normal levels which surprised me.

[EileenK]

Here enjoy these pictures. This is from the Atlantic's web site. It shows some tragic sites and a lot of storm damage, but it also shows some people out and about, almost enjoying themselves. Atlantic Hurricane Irene.

[Adam Neira]

To Yirmiyahu,

It's not a cult website. Painting a picture for people more like it. I am not a member of those sects you mention, because Jesus isn't Moshiach and Rev. Moon's worldview is incorrect. I am expert on comparative religion by the way.

Looking up the true meaning of the word "cult" shows that once again the English language has been corrupted. Satanic cults give the original meaning a bad name. Satanic cults mock and deny the existence of G-d. By their actions they see the universe as unstable, disordered, malevolent and contractionary. World Peace 2050 sees things differently, i.e. The universe is stable, ordered, benevolent and expansive.

1610–20; < Latin cultus habitation, tilling, refinement, worship, equivalent to cul-, variant stem of colere to inhabit, till, worship + -tus suffix of v. action

1. A particular system of religious worship, especially with reference to its rites and ceremonies.

2. An instance of great veneration of a person, ideal, or thing, especially as manifested by a body of admirers: the physical fitness cult.

3. The object of such devotion.

4. A group or sect bound together by veneration of the same thing, person, ideal, etc.

5. Sociology . A group having a sacred ideology and a set of rites centring around their sacred symbols.

From the list of the above meanings I like the fourth one as it relates to veneration of the ideal of world peace. BTW, if people really want to think about and discuss such a concept then that is a good thing. What does it mean ? How will it be implemented ? What's in it for me ? What is the correct command structure ?

[Bklyn11230]

I guess what you have 14 kids it's hard to keep track of them. If you can't listen to a secular radio or use a cell phone, how do you know about storm warnings? Pick up the vibe at mincha?