Shomrim Saw Key Video Showing Leiby Kletzky But Told Storeowner The Boy On The Video Wasn't Leiby

According to Rabbi Yaakov German, the amateur detective who found the video that led to confessed killer Levi Aron, Shomrim had a key video 8 or more hours before he did. But Shomrim wrongly decided the boy on the video was not Leiby Kletzky.

Two key points:

1. Shomrim checked surveillance video at 2 am Monday night Tuesday morning along the route Leiby took, and said Leiby wasn't on the video – but Shomrim was wrong. Leiby Kletzky was on that exact video, and Yaakov German discovered that 8 hours or more later. This mistake could easily have resulted in Leiby Kletzky's death.

2. Levi Aron going in and out of the dentist's office was only noticed after German and his friend Yehuda Borenstein watched the video repeatedly in slow motion, rather than in regular playback speed.

These two key points (less my comment about Shomrim's mistake) are found on the third part of the audio.

From last night's Talkline radio show with Zev Brenner. Please click the gray bars to listen:

 

German talkline 7-23-11 1

 

German Talkiilne 7-23-11 2

 

German Talkline 7-23-11 3

 

 

 

Comments

[ruthie]

they should learn to CALL THE POLICE asap! with ANY AND ALL INFO. when will they learn????? not that i trust all cops...but they have the equipment and know how to do something quickly...this was
not a chulent we were making....we WERE LOOKING FOR LEIBY
stupid idiots

[Voice]

Shamarye

Instead of, wasn't, the headline should read , 'should not'. makes it more obvious.

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[jack]

Ruthie,
The cops did nothing.
German was the fellow who cracked the case.
Listen to the interview

[NotJack]

"The cops did nothing."

Are people really this far gone? What cracked the case was detectives knowing just the right people (Tom Burke) to call in order to identify the car in the video.

[WoolSilkCotton]

When did the frumma start hating police so much?

Perhaps when frumma discovered that crime pays?

[WoolSilkCotton]

Some 20+ years ago, the frumma were the loudest advocates for long sentences, death penalty, and law-and-order politicians. Back then, the frumma aligned themselves with the police and the law.

But then something changed and the frumma became the criminals.
And so the attitude changed, and now the frumma are regular old-fashioned bleeding heart liberals when it comes to crime committed by their own. And they hate the police.

[WoolSilkCotton]

++The cops did nothing.++

Frumma revisionist history has already begun.

Yanky Meyer of Misaskim spoke about the NYPD on a recent Nachum Segal program. Maybe Jack should listen and learn.

This is what frumma do best in a crisis:

http://www.misaskim.org/photos.php?albumid=5631885518384962785&photoid=
5631885551257108290

[Yoel Mechanic]

WSC: What sort of confidence building measures should be done so people (I do consider "the frumma" to be people) will have the trust to go to the police when appropriate? Top down activism? grass roots activism? bring cops into Yeshivot for the typical programming done in public schools (ie. "this is officer so and so, this is his training, he's a professional, approachable and reasonable. let's hear his side of the story...etc. this kind of police public relations has been done many times)

There are reasons why one should go to the police first (such as their professionalism, training, and public accountability as well as their resources to handles certain situations). Those reasons should be communicated.

Now, there might some people who read this blog who are reform minded and wish to improve things . Therefore I just mention these ideas in case someone wants to do something positive.

[WoolSilkCotton]

++Yoel Mechanic | July 24, 2011 at 01:10 PM++

You should propose those ideas on other websites like VIN, CrownHeights.info, etc.

Good luck getting the frumma to agree to any of it.

++this kind of police public relations has been done many times++

In hasidic schools? Never.

[Yoel Mechanic]

Good idea that I make suggestions on other websites.

>++this kind of police public relations has been done many times++

In hasidic schools? Never.
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I've seen it done. Not *in* a school, but starting small. Like having an officer come to a LaG' B'Omer parade, or a Sukkot party event and have a chat session with kids.

Change your "never" to unlikely, or difficult.

[WoolSilkCotton]

It has NEVER happened in a hasidic school. Deal with it, Yoel.

Even at an outdoor event like the LG Parade or a Sukkos party, a rabbi would be present to monitor anything a police officer would say, and to stop him if he said anything the frumma didn't approve of.
Imagine a cop at such an event instructing frum kids to tell a policeman if their teacher touches them in certain places. That cop would immediately be stopped and sent packing.

[Yoel Mechanic]

>Even at an outdoor event like the LG Parade or a Sukkos party, a rabbi would be present to monitor anything a police officer would say, and to stop him if he said anything the frumma didn't approve of.
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I will tell you what I have seen at a yearly event, at the outdoor Chol Moed Sukkot festival. A policeman is invited. Kids gather around him, and chat, and ask questions. the kids wander in and out. there are not Rabbis standing around. no monitoring. I walked by for a few minutes. nothing of great substance is being discussed. Just simple questions, like how often arrests are made, what areas do you patrol.. how often do you draw your gun. the typical sorts of kid questions. The basic motif is just to be comfortable seeing and talking to a police officer. nothing more, no pressure.
Took place in a major metropolitan area.
I presume it is a yearly happening.

Now you are welcome to tell us what you have seen with your eyes. or *not* seen. But I often think more sharing of actual experiences should take place on blogs, besides all the speculations and conjectures.

I too have never seen such police PR take place *in* a school, and I really think it *should*. That is my opinion and goal. But I wish to share what I have also seen with my eyes.

[Yoel Mechanic]

>bring cops into Yeshivot for the typical programming done in public schools (ie. "this is officer so and so, this is his training, he's a professional, approachable and reasonable. let's hear his side of the story...etc. this kind of police public relations has been done many times)
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By context of my statement I was saying this kind of PR has been done many times in public schools. It should also be done in Yeshivot. I have never seen it done, but have related above what I have seen done.