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July 20, 2011

Rabbinic Alliance Of America Spokesman: Gay Marriage And Abortion Caused Death Of Leiby Kletzky

Rabbi Yehuda Levin yarmulke 8-year-old Leiby Kletzky was abducted, murdered and cut to pieces because Jews did not protest same sex marriage and abortion, Rabbi Yehuda Levin says.

A message to Rabbi Gershon Tannenbaum and Igud HaRabbonim: Isn't this enough already? Isn't the time long past due to remove Levin as your spokesperson? Have you no decency at all?

 

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The man is so full of hate it's unbelievable-or he is gay, himself. Either way, this POS should be seduced by a guy and filmed on camera taking it up the poop shoot. Maybe then he will shut up.

He has probably been involved in covering for a child abuser/ molester in the past or present.

On face value a person would have to be either insane or defensive to make such a nonsensical statement.

i think he is jobless and barks all day about gays this is his only outlet.

The Rabbi does have one redeeming value. He hates the Agudah and their self-serving agenda.

I have defended Rabbi Levin in the past, but I can't this time. While I do believe gay marriage and abortion (mostly) are immoral and create a negative spirtitual energy, to say that this or that caused any tragedy is nonsense. Like when some say the Holocaust happened because of this, that, or the other, it is ridiculous to even speculate.

This is a terrible tragedy and I do believe we should take this opportunity to take a personal accounting, and that it is our responsibility to do so.

Maybe because I sometimes rely on the one hour rule to eat dairy after eating meat which does have some halachic basis, bad things happen in the world. I need to strive to do better. My mesora is to wait six hours and sometimes I fail.

I realize to those that are not people of faith this looks like nonsense. Nu, go ahead and poke fun at me if you wish. I have thick skin.

A classic example of Poe's law: "Poe's law, named after its author Nathan Poe, is an Internet adage reflecting the fact that without a clear indication of the author's intent, it is difficult or impossible to tell the difference between sincere extremism and an exaggerated parody of extremism." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe's_law

Some people just don't know when to shut up. I don't think any normal human being agrees with him or thinks his rant is appropriate in any way.

Seems like a bunch of people over at Vos Iz Neias agree with him.

The comments section of VIN is the Jewish equivalent of YouTube comments...

Anon - this is NOT an example of poes law in any way. this guy is for real and means it.

anyway, i happen to know that this happened because god loves gays, which is why he made them gay to begin with, and hates fools who quote him saying otherwise.

When you believe that a leaf does not fall from a tree without being part of G-d's plan then of course one must see a G-dly message in this murder being so much more grave then a fallen leaf.

This Rabbi is daft. To use this tragedy to bolster his agenda against gays is a new low.

What A SHMUCK

Amazing to attribute a particular act (or non act) minimizes this poor boys death and creates a belief of an algebraic equation to G-ds divine providence and this boy was (Has VeShalom) a sacrafice to Molekh.

Mordecai-
I disagree-I am of those that think that each leaf falling is part of Gods plan. But, that doesn't mean I can claim to assume why anything IN PARTICULAR happens. Along the same lines, if some nut like Levin got up and claimed to know why this happened and definitively said "it's for sure not because of gay marriage" would also be uncalled for, as no one knows exactly why God acts in certain ways. What makes this arrogant SOB POS even worse, is because he plays God and makes nasty, insensitive remarks.

++itchiemayer | July 20, 2011 at 07:11 PM++

Itchie, from reading your postings over the past couple of years, I have become more considerate of Torah rules and orthodox Judaism, because you are an example of menschlichkeit in the orthodox world.

Your mission is accomplished as far as I'm concerned. You've made the world a better place.

I cannot guide you about meat and milk timings, but I trust you have a competent rabbi to consult. Your rabbi is fortunate to have a person like you in his congregation.

If each person strives to do better, and has a positive influence on his fellow person, than yes, a future tragedy could possibly be averted.

I believe God had a plan for Lieby, but I doubt God confided in Yehuda Levin beforehand.

Are we sure Levin is Jewish? I heard a report in Israel that Rabbi Yehuda Levin is a mamzer.

I will repost my vin comment

I blame the mets for this they traded K-rod a real meanch since he did offer the kleaisky's any help they need

and the time frame matches better that the gay marriage bill.

Does he really think God hates Jews so much that He would use the gruesome murder of a child to teach them a lesson about His views on gay marriage?

i wonder which rav or rabbi gave him a heter to use the internet.

Common Sense-stop all this nonsense a leaf falls because it is nature tha dictates it all you know it all are super fools fixated and extreemly self centered always nostop infatuated with this gd megalomania.

Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | July 20, 2011 at 07:44 PM

after reading your post a thought just shot into my head. and as we know it can only come from the great one hashem

levine is on the right track but on the wrong side

leiby tragic end came because of levin and the other Yid haters who tried to block this just bill.

hashem is telling me and know I can tell you, hashem does not hate gays they are his babies his creation how can you hate his creation

stop the hate work hard levine so other states do the same.

hashem cried to me he hates doing such vile thing like killing a young boy it hurts hi, but sometime she need to give a strong message.

levine he also said, next time he needs to give a message he will make it crystal clear to all, it will be you who suffers and then you yourselves will see the message clearly, hopefully if not he said he will simply do away with you. God really hate idiots

Perhaps his wifes stockings were not thick enough and were the wrong color. This could have had a domino effect that led to Levi being born and subsequently led to the murder. I know this for fact because I heard it while deciphering the sound my car makes at night.

Itchie, just "convert" to being Sephardic, and then you'll only have to wait one hour to eat dairy after eating meat, ha ha ha !

Itchie, just "convert" to being Sephardic, and then you'll only have to wait one hour to eat dairy after eating meat, ha ha ha !

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2011 at 08:28 PM

I don't understand you.

The normative Sefardi practice is to wait 6 hours. Who do you think you're holding by?

Joke

Itchie, just "convert" to being Sephardic, and then you'll only have to wait one hour to eat dairy after eating meat, ha ha ha !

Posted by: Dave | July 20, 2011 at 08:28 PM
God says God says Do not cook the calf with the meat of it mother.


Moshe ask god can I eat milk right after I eat meat.

God says Do not cook the calf with the meat of it mother.

God does that mean I cannot eat a cheese burger I mean I am not cooking it

God says Do not cook the calf with the meat of it mother.

God do I need to separate sinks and dishes.

God say,

Stop driving me up the wall and do whatever the hell you want just leave me alone already.

what a pain in the ass god says under his breath

This makes lots of sense. Lieby was killed because NY legalized gay marriage.

Actually, Lieby was killed because back in 1977, the idiots running the Mets traded Tom Seaver for Pat Zachary. Forget about K-Rod for two players to be named later. This was the dumbest trade of all time, and vengeance is mine, sayeth the Lord, inexplicably a Mets fan back then.

Which makes about as much sense as blaming orthodox Judaism for Lieby's death, or blaming orthodox Judaism for Levi Aron being (probably, if CBS-TV is correct) a serial killer of children.

it's so sad. but let's leave leiby aside for a moment.
as to me i think that trouble comes to the world as a result of these guys worshiping idols whom the call rebbes and moschiach, or for being led by their current minim leadership.
these fools can divine the mind of G-d?
Shame on them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vdn8LzVPY3s&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qUy8cF6_zsQ&feature=related

Levin is a horse's ass looking for any attention that he can get. He rambles like a drunk, mentally ill homeless person.
He is a clown, no one takes his comments or views seriously.

Dave further to Shmarya's comment it is the Remo (who is the main askenazic Posek) in his glosses to the Shulchan Aruch.
Also Kaballah in the Zohar also says that only one hour is necessary

Bellevue, 28th Street and First Avenue.

In these present days of incredible flux many people are trying their luck at interpretation. In ancient times the Nasi of the Sanhedrin was chosen for his skill at interpreting current events for their greater meaning. He was very well paid for his work.

Rabbi Yehuda Levin is as much a Nasi as Elmer Fudd is the Pope.

But this rabbi learned at the holy city of Gateshead, taught by Rav Avigdor Miller. How can he be wrong?

May this animal levin, the 33 concert ban rabbis, shereshefsky, the organ selling rabbi, and others like them have a slow "strange death" and may they burn in h*** forever!

He's the Westboro Rebbe

It is a Toyeevaaah for this animal to talk

It is a Toyeevaaah for any jewish community to give him any air time

It is a Toyeevaaah for any sane person to listen to this animal who is a fat slob and only lost weight probably because he was dying

It is a Toyeevaaah to listen to this false messiah

It is a Toyeevaaah to be brainwashed by this animal

Actually, the "causes" of the horrible tragedy are:
1) Rabbis protecting child-molesters.
2) Orthodox and Chassidic people taking welfare, food-stamps, Medicaid and Section 8 when they are not eligible for these benefits.
3) The achila gaasa of Jews eating Sushi.
4) The dishonesty of the Rubashkins.
5) The way Hasids double park and cut people off.

Prove me wromg?

Clarification...

A navi is different to a nasi, but a nasi can be a navi. Not all navis became nasis.

Navi was a prophet, interpreter.

Nasi was a prince, head of the Sanhedrin.

Levin is a terrible Jew but in defense of Rabbis he is no Rabbi! His shul is always empty and he has maybe 5 lunatics that follow him. I am sure that the Vin postings agreeing with him are all coming from the jack ass himself!

The reason why god took leiby is because nobody, no rabbanim no aguda protested when rotteberg was burned by the skver rebbe butler. for the skver rebbe not to say boo about it is enough for god to say, hey you dont care about your brother getting hurt then i will show you what it means when one of your kids get hurt or killed. rotteberg. for all intensive puropses was killed.

WE ALL MUST DEMAND THAT THE RCA, OU and AGUDATH ISRAEL OF AMERICAN MAKE PUBLIC STATEMENTS OF OUTRAGE AT THESE STATEMENTS MADE BY PSEUDO-RABBI.

I have not hear of this Rabbi before, but now I am very sad and very afraid that he has followers who believe he is using good logical reasoning to interpret the Torah and give over good "mussar". They will repeat what he said at their Shabbos tables with perfect faith. Very, very sad.

Where are the loudmouthed money stealing 33 concert ban rabbis (may g-d erase their names) on this issue? Why are they so silent? Are they blaming this one on Lipa too? Where are their full page ads on this? How come they come out against Lipa and not these animals (the murderer and levin)?

I usually dont agree with rabbi Levin , but in this case he has a good point. In new york, the new marriage law allows faggots to run amok.

The gays are disturbed and mentally ill. They bring a negative energy to the entire city. When the negative energy is around , bad things happen.

Dave further to Shmarya's comment it is the Remo (who is the main askenazic Posek) in his glosses to the Shulchan Aruch.
Also Kaballah in the Zohar also says that only one hour is necessary

Posted by: Shlomo | July 20, 2011 at 09:00 PM


You are dead wrong my friend. Or at least 50% wrong.

Yes, the Rama says wait one hour.

But the Zohar and the Kabalistic sources come out on the six hour side.

Am I the only one whose gaydar goes off when Levin speaks??

Levin is really sick. I am sorry to say, I used to listen to his podcasts, as I found him amusing. Some of the brute language in Yiddish I had not heard for many years.

Really sick man. I used to think, nu he has a gimmick, he panders to a political group. But to do this now is unacceptable.

Chutzpah, he has a few followers, typical misfit Rabbi's like himself, but this statement will destroy whatever mainstream support he may have had.

I usually dont agree with rabbi Levin , but in this case he has a good point. In new york, the new marriage law allows faggots to run amok.

The gays are disturbed and mentally ill. They bring a negative energy to the entire city. When the negative energy is around , bad things happen.

Posted by: Motti | July 20, 2011 at 11:06 PM

no I never got negative energy from them

Posted by: Motti | July 20, 2011 at 11:06 PM

Why don’t you go and check yourself into Bellevue Hospital.

the cause of this tragedy is obvious

we were warned by Hashem to start doing TESHUVA when 3 Tzaddikim were niftar in a matter of only 2 weeks. But that was not enough to wake us up to return to Hashem from our Heart. We left Hashem with no choice but to send us another wake up call of a DIFFERENT KIND OF TZADDIK-a child/being a person that had not sinned yet.

is it time for us to wake up & return to hashem yet? or was this world tragic event not enough?

the time is NOW not tomorrow to return to Hashem & do TESHUVA. before we need any other wake up calls from Hashem C”V

FM Fan see Zohar Parshat Mishpatim - it is one hour between milk and meat and one hour between meat and milk check your sources

Shmarya, everybody knows that the Dutch waiting tradition is One Hour, and the usual story is indeed that that was a Sephardic input, but mind that the Dutch sephardim went through a crypto-Jewish stage before immigration.

Converting to Dutch Sphardic is not that easy,...

Is it a To'aiyva if someone kills Levin?

Oh, no, my bad - murder is not a To'aiyva, only gays and shellfish are.

Good, since murder is not a To'aiyva, it must not be a bad aveira, and it wouldn't be so terrible if someone killed Levin.

Sefardim do NOT hold generally hold 1 hour. The Mehaber in the Shulkan Arukh holds 6, if memory serves me, and that is the normative Sefardi tradition since that time.

So what is it, Dave? Who do you think you're holding by?

I am an orthodox (hatefu) rabbi, but must distance myself from this ranting fool. How dare he play g-d? Point of historical interest, look at yirmiah hsnavi who excoriated and castigated kelal yisroel BEFORE the churban, but acted as a comforting, supporting pastoral support system AFTER the fact. Even chazal who identified causes for the Churban (yoma 9) only did so some two and a half centuries later when the initial pain and trauma had subsided, allowing perspective and some healing. To comment on the kketzky tragedy , even assuming Divine knowledge (which he clearly doesn't have), is crass and insensitive in the extreme. He strikes me as a self-publicist. 'nuff said.

Should read haredi in brackets in first line. NOT a freudian slip! Predictive text snafu.

A navi is different to a nasi, but a nasi can be a navi. Not all navis became nasis.

actually reb adam,
nowadays that nevuoh (prophecy) is given only to fools and children, we are left to wonder: this idiot doesn't qualify for the honor to be called either a fool or a kid. he is totally out of the circle of prophets.

Motti wrote,
"The gays are disturbed and mentally ill."

The legitimate scientific studies that disproved this were published about 40 years ago, and no legitimate researchers has been able to refute them since.

So far, there have not been major problems in those locales, such as the country of Spain, where gay marriage is now legal. There are rabbis that are jerks. There are gays that are jerks. But there are also more rabbis and gays that are not jerks.

Yudel's "Rest-of-the-Story"

Tuesday, July 19, 2011What would Rav Avigdor Miller Z"KL, have said?
Sheldon Silver, NY's speaker of the house was busy for years twisting arms, ginving bak-shish to the legislators, to the unzereh institutions, etc all to get the Toi'aiveh bill passed. (He had the audasity to tell Reb Dovid Feinstein that he can't save the kosher enforcement, because he's busy with more important agendas to benefit klal-yisroel)

The Toi'aiveh bill was passed in New Jersey legislator, Mr. Gary Schaer (D-Passaic) was present at the vote & did not vote against it, per his instructions from Agudah.

The Lakewood Yeshiva instructed the Community to vote for Corzine with his Toi'aiveh agenda.

The politically powerful Friedlander Group was supporting the politicians that were all for Toi'aiveh legislation.

All of the "UNZEREH" backed all of the politicians that promoted "Toi'aiveh".

Leiby, Z'L-Who from Unzereh can say


ידינו לא שפכו הדם הזה!
Posted by Yudel Shain at 12:19 PM

What would Rav Avigdor Miller Z"KL, have said?
Sheldon Silver, NY's speaker of the house was busy for years twisting arms, ginving bak-shish to the legislators, to the unzereh institutions, etc all to get the Toi'aiveh bill passed. (He had the audasity to tell Reb Dovid Feinstein that he can't save the kosher enforcement, because he's busy with more important agendas to benefit klal-yisroel)

The Toi'aiveh bill was passed in New Jersey legislator, Mr. Gary Schaer (D-Passaic) was present at the vote & did not vote against it, per his instructions from Agudah.

The Lakewood Yeshiva instructed the Community to vote for Corzine with his Toi'aiveh agenda.

The politically powerful Friedlander Group was supporting the politicians that were all for Toi'aiveh legislation.

All of the "UNZEREH" backed all of the politicians that promoted "Toi'aiveh".

Leiby, Z'L-Who from Unzereh can say


ידינו לא שפכו הדם הזה!

Dear Rabbi Levin:
Better it should have been you that was sexually assaulted, murdered and dismembered instead of a sweet innocent child. Just shut up and go away motherfucker!

WSC - Thank you for the kind words. You know, I tell my children that more importantly than receiving honors in your classes, you should be earning honors in menschlichkeit. On Purim some Yeshiva bochur grabbed me and told me he wanted to give me a bracha and asked me for what do I want a bracha. I thought for a few seconds and replied that the bracha should be that my children, grandchildren and all future generations should be known for their middos tovos. I can't think of a better legacy.
As jews we have an obligation to be a light unto the world, to set the example in how to live dignified lives. If a Jew isn't a menstch, he is defaulting on this obligation.

(quote) Are we sure Levin is Jewish? I heard a report in Israel that Rabbi Yehuda Levin is a mamzer.

He looks and sounds like a mamzer, and I couldn't watch that video, he's evil and revolting, and is giving the world another reason to hate the Jews.
What a creep

What are they so worried about? In the Netherlands it took 10 years of completely legal marriage for people no matter their sex before the first Jewish same-sex couple married.

But there will be many. Musicians are asking if they can play at such a wedding.
Bring it on.

To Yosef ben Matitya,

Do you think there are any real prophets alive today ?

Have you read what Maimonides in "Guide for the Perplexed" has to say about prophecy ?

Can some of the arrogant liberals here show some intellectual honesty for once and give fair, objective consideration to what Rav Levin actually said, instead of launching vicious, mindless, personal attacks on Rav Levin?

The following is a partial, rough transcript of Rav Levin's video drasha:

"Hashem took a Korban. Lets take a musar. What can we learn from this? Everyone would agree
that we have to address the issue - cause and effect. We can't fathom everything Hashem wanted. Lets apply that
methodology to Leiby Kletzky. Amalek was a mishkav zachar (homosexual), they seduced the Jews, they were then available to perpetrate the aveirah of Amalek (homosexuality), then they killed the Jewish body. What happened to the kadosh Leiby? Leiby was the sweetest of the sweet. We know what the effect of the perpetrator was - its a fair guess that the perpetrator had evil intentions - the perp took Leiby for the same purpose Amalek was perpetrating on the Jews - he then killed him. We know what the effect was - he was the victim. We've been ignoring the agenda of the mishkavei zachar (homosexuals) of Amalek, first they wanted rights, then they wanted adoption, then they wanted special protections, then they wanted marriage. If the Gadolim had come out against the homos, maybe we wouldn't have had to have this episode of Amalek replay itself. When a body (during abortion) is torn to pieces, it reminds you of something. David Greenfield voted for the continuation of abortion with the lesbian speaker (of NYC). We don't protest enough against same gender marriage and abortion."

What kind of God would kill an innocent child just to make a point? Levin is a pagan.

Do you think there are any real prophets alive today ?

no, reb adam.
I don't think there is.
As I mentioned:
'nowadays that nevuoh (prophecy) is given only to fools and children'
I do think that whoever mentioned that in the Talmud was being ironic and meant that there is no nevuoh in our days.

Right Jew, you allow THAT kind of languague in the USA? Do the Afro-Americans know? Just wondering...

@ common sense...Yes, I agree with you, the dude is -or he is gay, himself. Closet gay. It will not surprise me he represses his true sexual inclinations by projecting.

So let me get this "straight"(pun IS intended)--we are supposed to believe that G-d decided to have a precious child murdered because abortion is legal and now gay marriage is legal in New York state? What utter nonsense!! And just what did Leiby Kletzky have to do with either abortion or gay marriage? I am a believer but if I actually thought that G-d was so cruel I would become an atheist. Shame on you, Rabbi Levin!

Where did all you folks buy your heterim for using the Internet ?
Can I get a tax deduction ?

To Yosef ben Matitya,

Would you be open to the suggestion that some people alive today have exhibited real prophetic abilities ?

Would you be open to the suggestion that some people alive today have exhibited real prophetic abilities ?

open? it's a relative thing. people should be free to say whatever they please,i am free to consider them fools, however i am extremely extremely skeptical better yet negative towards such claims.

I think this man tried to rile everyone up so he can play to his support base.
IMO, he is highly frustrated man and uses this type of anti-social behaviour to relax.
Having said that, there are sources that point to tragic events as being due to gay activities, but it is the ones I have seen relate more to natural calamities like earthquakes, here is brazenly misrepresenting Torah. And also he is pouring salt on wounds which is beyong disgusting, he did this also with the Haiti earthquake.

Yehuda Levin needs to take a shower,he's a stinky fould breath inbred idiot

Yehuda Levin is certainly a "hot dog", one who likes to draw attention to himself (sometimes at the detriment of others.) Does he truly believe in what he says? I think so. He needs to be censured by the jewish community. Jews have enough problems without Levin!
Doug

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