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July 24, 2011

Exclusive: OU Launches Renegade Leiby Kletzky Fund Not Endorsed By Kletzky Family – Or Does It?

OU logo Please see the updates to this post below. It now seems that a series of errors both by the legitimate fund and by the OU is behind all this.

The OU's homepage 7-24-11 3:00 am CDT:

OU Homepage 7-24-11 Leiby Kletzky Renegade OU Fund annotated.jp

 

The OU's Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund page:


OU Renegade Leiby Kletzky Fund 2

 

Here is another view of the OU's Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund page that includes the OU header:

 

OU Renegade Leiby Kletzky Fund 1

 

Here is a link to the real Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund run by the Kletzky family.

Update 3:00 pm CDT – The OU's homepage now links to the fund started by the Kletzky family and the page shown above has disappeared. Apparently the exposure its renegade Kletzky fund got was too negative for the OU to tolerate.

Update 7:00 pm CDT – From the Questions and Answers section of the official, Kletzky family run Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund website, a warning to beware of other websites and funds appearing to be Kletzky family endorsed.

Please click to enlarge:

Kletzky Family Leiby Fund Website Warning About Other Funds and Sites.jp

Update 11:42 pm CDT – I received the following email from a person claiming to be associated with the Kletzky family's legitimate fund.

Note the the email admits the OU's original site was not sending donors to the legitimate Kletzky fund but was raising the money itself.

While the email can be read to say that the early monies – i.e., before I outed the OU – was going to the real Kletzky fund, it can also be read that the monies were not going there.

Either way, we still have the real Kletzky fund's warning about impostor funds and websites posted above and still on the Kletzky family website now, hours after the email posted below was written.

Also note that the author misspells Kletzky as "Kletzki" at the email's close.

Please click to enlarge:

Kletzky Fund Email 7-24-11 annotated

I think it's clear the Kletzky family are not running this fund and are merely the public faces of it.

And, from the wording of that email, I also think it very likely that the primary – perhaps the only – beneficiaries of this fund will be Orthodox and ultra-Orthodox Jews.

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I was just listening to the audio in the previous post, with the hurt in Leiby Kletsky's father's voice. Reading between the lines, the fund endorsed by the Kletsky family is a project of the congregation the family belongs to (so they can give legimate receipts for tax deductible contributions), and the fund will be used to help others, not the Kletsky family.

It is inevitable other organizations are going to trade off this tragic event. It happens all the time with calamaties. Rudy Guiliani caught the Red Cross doing this with their 9/11 fund, where some of the funds were earmarked for a new telephone system for the Red Cross offices.

Maybe a list of Kletsky copy-cat funds out there looking for donations? Great resource for the charity-minded.

Does the family know about this? What do the the 33 concert ban rabbis say about this? Is Lipa involved?

Typical Steven Weil...always trying to cash in...always exploiting.

Shmarya - I'm surprised you haven't covered the recent scandal with Weil's protege Rabbi Pilichowski. He was recently dismissed following allegations of email tamperings, fraud, etc. Beth Jacob hasn't announced if they will be pressing charges, but this story is right up your alley.

I have emailed the real leiby fund a question as to who to monies will be distributed?

since they say leaby has brought people from all over together and it says children in need, I hope they are not going to be like every other frum charity which offer help exclusive to the hemesie community only. I truly hope I am wrong

and since they are marketing the fund to a wide audience it would be a shame if that would be the case and maybe even stealing from the donate thinking it is a fund to help all.

In addition I can imagine the uproar and news story it would make if found out

but it would not be surprising listen to kars for kids

its just a way of getting new names on their donor list that they can hit up for money for the ou at a later time. they did the same thing with the massacre of that family in israel earlier this year. also, be aware that while the ou has non-profit status, the particular form they have does not, like other, legitimate, non-profits,require them to publish information as to how money they collect is actually spent (i.e. how much for operating costs, fundraising, and actual services). for many of their campaigns the cost of the campaign equals the amount of money brought in so that the only benefit is towards the OU itself in getting more names on its potential donor list

i had a feeling this was going to happen...was hoping it wouldn't...
is anyone surprised????
disgusting!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And who said jews were honest people!! Not something to be proud about at all!! Makes you want to think twice about what our heritage is - theiving - sex offenders - look what is happening in melbourne australia!!! Does this make a Jew feel good about being the "chosen people" - I don;'t think so!

ugh - very distasteful of the o u to turn this tragedy into a fundraiser for themselves

Do the the letters O and U stand for "overwhelmingly unethical"?

Typical of them, unethical mofos.

no shame no morals we live in an anything goes society,the love of money uber ales is their motto.

Apart from its being an abomination, as usual one can see the unrelenting speaking on G-d's behalf: "the unremitting pain that is surely felt by ... Hadkodesh Baruch Hu.' The religious of all faiths never cease to speak on behalf of Ein Sof and it never ceases to amaze me.

And again, may we nudge the blogmeister into putting an OU banner tab up there next to Chabad or somewhere PLEASE?

UOJ has written in comments that Aron Levi was a student at Yeshiva Torah Vodaath where Rabbi Kolko molested children for decades.

Can anyone confirm this and/or shed light on this connection?

http://theunorthodoxjew.blogspot.com/2011/07/time-to-cry-time-to-learn-what-is.html

"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...
Am I missing something here?

An 8 year old child kidnapped and slaughtered, body parts in the refrigerator with carving knives and the remainder of the child's body dumped in a suitcase thrown into a dumpster...done by a Jew with a yarmulke who went to Yeshiva Torah Vodaath, went to a wedding in New Square the night of the kidnapping and davened Mincha at his place of employment with a minyan... And did the perp walk with his yarmulke for the entire world to see....

PLEASE SPARE ME FROM THIS KIDDUSH HASHEM!!!

12:06 AM, July 19, 2011


UOJ Said This said...
"UOJ" - "The Un-Orthodox Jew" said...
Aron left a trail of crime and destruction, the police have yet to uncover it. A 35 year old guy does not became evil overnight. I urge law enforcement to investigate Aron's time as a student in Yeshiva Torah Vodaath - 425 E.9th St. Brooklyn.

12:56 PM, July 17, 2011

2:34 PM, July 22, 2011

Posted by: jewishwhistleblower | July 24, 2011 at 09:15 AM

Yes, as far as I know he went to Torah Vodaas through at least 8th grade or so.

Given what we know so far about Aron Levi, he would have been the sort of vulnerable youth that a pedophile at this institution would have targetted.

It also may explain some of his reported developmental problems if he was an untreated survivor of abuse.

Have police looked at this?

i think kolko was in tora temima

Given what we know so far about Aron Levi, he would have been the sort of vulnerable youth that a pedophile at this institution would have targetted.

It also may explain some of his reported developmental problems if he was an untreated survivor of abuse.

Have police looked at this?

Posted by: jewishwhistleblower | July 24, 2011 at 09:32 AM

Kolko taught in Torah Temima, not Torah Vodaas.

"Aron Levi" is Levi Aron. You have the names reversed.

Yes, I think police will look at this possibility – if it impacts the prosecution of the case.

it looks like the stated goals for the use of the money are almost exactly the same as the official family fund. is it possible that OU is just aggregating monies which will then be given to the familys fund?
while it would still benefit OU in having info on donors for future use, it wouldnt be as bad as OU actually having a competing fund.

It's a PR move and damage control for the whores and pimps of the OU. Often in the spotlight, they look for any opp to kasher themselves.

My bad. Torah Temima was originally known as Yeshiva Torah Vodaath of Flatbush before it changed its name. That was my confusion.

Yeshiva Torah Vodaas has on its staff Rabbi Yisroel Belsky who according to UOJ supports convicted pedophile Rabbi Lipa/Lewis Brenner.

Brenner lives in this area and was in chinuch at the relevant times Did Brenner teach at Yeshiva Torah Vodaas?

Also see:
http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2006/09/case-of-rabbi-heshy-nussbaum-and.html
...
Anonymous said...
From a google group posting from Abe dated July 31, 2001 4:03 pm EDT

35-40 years ago the UO yeshiva I attended had a Rabbi Heshy Nussbaum, who was also a summer counselor at Camp Mogen Avraham. Problem was Rabbi Nussbaum was a homosexual pedophile. We the kids, who were not his prey, knew about it, but we did not have the language needed to describe it to our parents. I cannot begin to fathom what his prey must have experienced.

Around the same time, Yeshiva Torah Vodaas, in Williamsburg, had the Mickey Mouse Club, where Rebbes and students would engage in homosexual activities. What consenting adults do in private is their own business. But pedophiles should not be pedagogues.

September 06, 2006 3:22 PM
...

I believe convicted/confessed pedophile Rabbi Lipa/Lewis Brenner (HaCohen) claims to be a graduate of Yeshiva Torah Vodaas.

http://jewishsurvivors.blogspot.com/2006/08/jwb-and-luke-ford-on-rabbi-lipa.html

There's not much online only here:
http://lukeford.net/blog/?p=34534

funny how the bloger says 'Very important: He was NOT involved in any sexual or financial misconduct.'

Dude those are not the only crimes on the planet. Hacking into people's email accounts is not akin to taking a piece of kugel home with you.

http://books.google.com/books?id=wrklAQAAIAAJ&q=%22lewis+brenner%22+rabbi&dq=%22lewis+brenner%22+rabbi&hl=en&ei=kUUsTqerCIrj0QGvwsjkDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA
...
p.288
...
Rabbi Lewis Brenner is Principal of the Hillel Academy of Passaic. NJ He is a musmach of Meslvta Torah Vodaath, a graduate of City College and has done postgraduate at Columbia University.
...

Has anyone contacted the OU and asked if the monies collected will or will not be going to the Kletzky family?

*Donate* To The Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund. Coping With Grief by Doing Good. http://bit­.ly/nPAdy5

I wish the "real" fund would come out with a statement on who exactly will benefit from the fund. If it is just Jewish children they should say that. I looked at the list of donors who contributed to real fund (posted on the website) and there are a lot of non-Jewish names there. Even if the fund admitted they were going to benefit just religious Jewish children, they probably would still get a lot of non-Jewish support. But they should be honest about it. Also, would it just be children of BP? Or just of Leiby's congregation? This needs to be spelled out. I (a non-Jew) would love to make a donation -- I would even make a donation if the fund just benefited Jewish kids -- but I will not make a donation until they explain more.

And the idiocy goes on and on

The OU are scum. We already knew this.

JewishWhistleBlower, do you have any proof -- any proof at all, that Levi Aron was sexually abused as a child? Or even whether Levi Aron sexually abused children?

And what on earth do all these rabbis who you accuse of sexual molestation years ago have to do with this case? Zero. Zip. Nada.

Nothing like posters with an agenda blowing their own horn, are there?

>JewishWhistleBlower, do you have any
>proof -- any proof at all, that Levi
>Aron was sexually abused as a child?
>Or even whether Levi Aron sexually
>abused children?

I've never made either allegation. Clearly both aspects need to be evaluated by the investigators if they are to do a proper investigation.

>And what on earth do all these rabbis
>who you accuse of sexual molestation
>years ago have to do with this case? >Zero. Zip. Nada.

They are part of the culture that creates a Levi Aron and protects him from being reported to the police.

>Nothing like posters with an agenda
>blowing their own horn, are there?

Pot. Kettle. Black.

Is there and pedophile or enabler you will ever criticize?

The Orthodox Union is not making any money off this at all. Everyone should be embarrassed with themselves for even thinking this way, and worse jumping onto a blog singling out individuals who are doing good for the whole world. I suggest that anyone with any other questions regarding this stupidity and false claim to call the kletzky attorney for more info.

RE- Fund Raising, I sent a letter to the fund that WAs approved by the family asking that the donor names and addresses NOT be sold or used by ANY other group. I have NOT received an answer.

Great job on picking up this pathetic attempt by the OU to raise money at the expense of this family's horrific tragedy.

PLEASE NOTE: THE OU PLAIGIRIZED ALMOST THE EXACT WORDS FROM THE FAMILY'S FUNDRAISING WEBSITE.

THE OU IS NOT ONLY TRY TO TAKE THE MONEY THAT SHOULD BE GOING TO THE OFFICIAL FAMILY-SANCTIONED CHARITY, THEY HAVE TO STEAL THE WORDS FROM THE FAMILY AS WELL!!!!

WHAT AN OUTRAGE!

And if the OU wants to disingenuiously claim that the money is going to the Kletsky family fund, i.e that this is what they really had intended all along, why did they not just link to the family website?


Of course they would NEVER do that.

THEY always need to be front and center.

Of course they wanted a "piece of the action" - as disgusting as that sounds - to
accomplish any or all of the following:

1) to have access to the actual money from the donations

2) to expand their donor list

3) to rape this tragedy for their PR assault, to convince everyone that THEY are in the forefront of every "good deed" that happens in Klal Yisroel.


Their manipulation and organizational narcissism apparently knows no bounds.

i just checked out www.ou.org and they are linking to REAL www.leibykletzkymemorialfund.com so i guess either it was corrected or they linked it together to that

That the OU "corrected" their initial attempt to co-opt and aggrandize Leiby's murder is a euphemism, a PR spin. Their original intentions are clear from the screenshots you can plainly see on Failed Messiah's original post. The OU was initially clueless as to how awful this made them look, but quickly found out that the communal response to their self-serving agenda would not be kind. So they "corrected" their error, i.e. tried to reinvent their original gluttonous intent.

yeah that's the only link, all other bloggers just point there.

Funny because it's not so beneign a crime he committed, this Rabbi.

Hacking into someone's email is very much a criminal offense, perhaps there are lawyers here who can explain this. Albeit we aren't getting too many details but clearly he has committed an offense it seems.

Adam -

Someone keeps cleaning up his Wikipedia page.
No details on the email tampering or his dismissal from Beth Jacob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi_Uri_Pilichowski

HI SHMARIA,WHAT BOTHERS ME IS-WHY THERE ISNT AN ATTORNEY OR AN ACCOUNTANT ON THE BOARD OF "DIRECTORS"?? I SIMPLY NEVER TRUST A FOUNDATION WITHOUT SUCH LEGAL AUTHORITIES AND ESPECIALLY A RABBI WHO NONE HAVE HEARD ABOUT UNTIL NOW.YES,REMEMBER,HOW THE NAME MOISHIE HOLTZBERG WAS A MONEY MAKER,TO WHOM? TO THE LITTLE BOY OR TO CHABD OR TO HIS ELDERS THE PROFESSIONAL SCHNORRERS!I REPEAT SINCE,A LOT OF MONEY WILL BE AT STAKE SOME LEGAL AND ACCOUNTING AUTHORITIES SHOULD BE INVOLVED!!!!
DECENCY RULES ,HONESTY PREVAILS!

Judging others comes naturally to Jews. For that reason, our sages told us to "dan l'chaf zechus." I am positive that the OU was only responding to this call for help just like it responded to calls for help from other worthy groups and individuals.

We have to look at the situation rationally, and that means seeking out the facts as they are, not as we believe them to be!

I don't know...it's quite possible that the OU was simply publicizing the real fund - not very clear that it was a separate deal ....

I don't know...it's quite possible that the OU was simply publicizing the real fund - not very clear that it was a separate deal ....

Posted by: Jtb | July 24, 2011 at 05:51 PM

Then why not say so clearly?

If that's what it was doing, the original webpage should have stated that.

Mr. Estrin-

Bottom line you said it right. What is so annoying and frustrating are these cowards who disguise themselves on this blog. That's why in any normal persons mind, all these people who are trash talking the OU and the individuals who signed the letter, are nothing more then trouble makers, instigators, and are completely not credible. I challenge them to keep slandering, but also put their real name down.

As I said before, shmarya is constantly making mistakes. First of all levy aron went to a yeshiva called bais issac zvi. It has closed down many years ago. He did then go to torah vodaas for a few years but rabbi kolko was in torah temima. He never taught in torah vodaas. You are a little rascal sitting in some cellar writing all these horrible things about people. You are a sad story. You will have a misa meshuna.

As I said before, shmarya is constantly making mistakes. First of all levy aron went to a yeshiva called bais issac zvi. It has closed down many years ago. He did then go to torah vodaas for a few years but rabbi kolko was in torah temima. He never taught in torah vodaas. You are a little rascal sitting in some cellar writing all these horrible things about people. You are a sad story. You will have a misa meshuna.

Posted by: a neighbor | July 24, 2011 at 06:07 PM

Idiot.

All I ever wrote – and that was in response to a question asked in a comment by someone – was that I had heard he went to Torah Vodaas through about 8th grade.

How this counts a mis-reporting something, or "constantly" getting things wrong is beyond reason.

And you, whoever you are, are a sick, disgusting person.

I just have 1 question. What's worse- a Jewish organization using a time of tragedy to ask people to give tzedakah that will helP the greater Jewish community, OR, slandering, mocking, and outrageously blaspheming other Jewish people and a Jewish organization as a whole without knowing too many details besides what's written on a website, which is in violation of a few dozen issurim in the Torah? I'm not promoting what the OU did, nor am I condemning it, because i understand the power of words and how dangerous they can be when used against other people, let alone Jews. Is this really the right way to respond? Jewish organizations looking for opportunities to get tzedakah and donations is nothing new. Unfortunately, Jews speakingterribly about other Jews whether it's justified or not is nothing new either. There's an opportunity here to grow from this tragedy and unite. Even if we are from different "velts", there's no reason that can possibly justify making separations in the greater Jewish community at this point in history as well as in the calendar year. May we continue to learn from my mistakes...

Ok- game is over! For all you idiots against th e OU and what they did, call Avraham stein berg who is running the family fund @ 718-513-9733 and u will see the OU was only doing good.

Ok- game is over! For all you idiots against th e OU and what they did, call Avraham stein berg who is running the family fund @ 718-513-9733 and u will see the OU was only doing good.

Posted by: Truth be told | July 24, 2011 at 06:27 PM

Who is he?

Where has his name publicly been cited as "running" that fund?

Or 212-741-0401 for Avraham steinberg

Posted by: Info 411 | July 24, 2011 at 06:30 PM

Posted by: Truth be told | July 24, 2011 at 06:27 PM
Shmarya

1. Stop sockpuppeting.

2. Who is Steinberg and where is it publicly stated that he is "running" the family's Leiby Kletzky fund?

Torah Temimmah used to be a branch of Torah Vodaath until the main Torah Vodaath moved to Flatbush from Williamsburg. There was a Din Torah. R'Margulis was allowed to maintain control of his Yeshivah but had to change the name.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yeshiva_Torah_Temimah


Adam -

I understand, so essentially what you are implying is that they made some sort of deal, to fire him and not prosecute.
Can the Shule speak on behalf of its members like that? I guess so.

"Someone keeps cleaning up his Wikipedia page.
No details on the email tampering or his dismissal from Beth Jacob.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbi_Uri_Pilichowski"

Posted by: Dr.Dr. Gimmee

Shmarya, a good reporter checks things out before the accusations...I can easily see the incompetents at the OU leaving out the wording that "it's for the official fund" - in fact, given the realities there (and at many similarly poorly run Jewish orgs) it's actually LIKELY that the correct reading would be that they left it out...

Regarding the Wikipedia page on Rabbi Uri Pilichowski: If you look at the history, you will see that details of the scandal have been added, then deleted.

It is VERY clear if you look at the OU's initial post: their stated intention was to collect the money themselves (and, granted, possibly channel some or all of it to Leiby's offical charity - though they never committed to that)

The instructions from the OU were CLEARLY to make out the check's to the OU and then to add a memo at the bottom of the check "Ketsky Memorial Fund" according to the OU's initial website post.

But the question remains: If the money was in fact meant to go to the official Kletsky fund, which is NOT intuitive if checks are to be made out to the OU, then why not just put up a link to the official family fund? The OU did this ONLY AFTER they realized the PR nightmare their pathetic attempt at co-opting this family's tragedy would cause.

And even if all the money was to go to the official charity, when should checks be made out to the OU? To expand their donor list?

Why must the OU make everything about them?

JewishWienerBlower:

This thread is about whether the OU is taking advantage of a tragedy. One can legitimately debate that issue.

It is not about whether Rabbi Yussel Yutz, back in 1978, diddled little Simcha Shmendrik in the mikvah and got away with it. There are plenty of other threads which deal with this issue, where you can post your little diatribes without going off topic.

As for whether rabbis are part of a culture which creates a Levi Aron, that's complete bull. The rabbis may be part of a culture which frowns on people turning in criminals to the police, but nobody accused Levi Aron of any prior bad acts except after the fact. Thousands of people searched for this child. That's not my idea of sweeping something under the rug. Levi Aron didn't get the way he was because of a coven of Chabadniks. There aren't a whole lot of people who butcher little boys and save their feet in Boro Park, or for that matter, anywhere else.

As for my condoning pedophilia, I don't. I also don't condone anonymous people making allegations which can't be proven. Shmarya and Vicki Polin make similar allegations, but at least they use their names.

I understand Salem, Massachusetts needs a few good witch-hunters.

More Torah Vodaas dirty laundry. Part of the Agudath Israel abuser protection racket:

http://jeanettefriedman.com/2006/05/17/the-rot-at-the-core-of-the-system-gafni-kolko-lanner-and-more/

Jeanette Friedman writes "A few years ago, one guy, B, was kicked out of Torah Vodaas and sent to my cousin’s kehilla. I called my cousin and reamed him out and basically got the same drill…he had charata, he did teshuva, etc. etc. etc. A few weeks later I got a phone call that I was correct in telling my cousin that his congregation should not be the garbage can for Rav Pam. The question is, where is B now?"

Similar allegations are written at:
http://ottmall.com/mj_ht_arch/v57/mj_v57i65.html


There you go Morris. A recent allegation at the institution that in part produced Levi Aron and a name confirming the allegation.

Posted by: Morris the Katz | July 24, 2011 at 09:37 PM

You are nothing but a hypocrite you harass “jewishwhistleblower” with a play on his pen name, than you claim that he goes of topic but you yourself goes of topic and trying to somehow sweep under the rug, that as of now three different people claim that he preyed on their children. It is the conventional wisdom in the Charedi community not to go to the police because you have Shomrim.

Additionally you are combining Shmarya with Vicki Polin, you are nothing more than a scoundrel, dressed in a loveable cats outfit.

Yes. Months after the fact, people came forward and said a man with a gold car tried to accost their children. They didn't report it at the time. Not to Shomrim, not to the police, not to anybody. Don't blame the rabbis for this.

There is no proof Levi Aron molested anyone prior to his kidnapping of Leiby. Maybe some will emerge, but so far, none has. On the other hand, there's lots of proof he murdered someone.

This crime has nothing to do with the usual situations where the community sweeps stuff under the rug, and the mainstream Jewish press, such as the Forward, agrees with me, not with you. Everyone was out in force looking for this boy. To accuse the Boro Park community of ignoring this situation is a vicious canard.

As far as Shmarya and Polin are concerned, what I wrote is that they use their names, and don't make anonymous allegations. At least they have the courage to stand behind what they write. Maybe you need a course in reading comprehension as you obviously have misinterpreted what I wrote.

If you believe it's OK for anonymous bloggers to make unsupported allegations, then you are just as bad as JewishWhistleBlower. It was wrong back in the 1950's when people made anonymous allegations that so-and-so was a communist, and it's just as wrong to make anonymous allegations of sexual molestation today.


 
From: Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund [mailto:leibykletzkyfund@gmail.com]
Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 10:47 PM
To: failed.messiah@comcast.net
Subject: OU / Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund
 
Dear Mr. Rosenberg:
 
You recently displayed screenshots from of the OU’s website, and accused the organization of using Leiby Kletzky’s name to collect money, presumably, for its own purposes.  Nothing can be further from the truth.  .

At the end of shiva, the family decided to raise funds to help those in need fulfill the mitzvos and celebrate the lifecycle events that Leiby could not. Friends of the family established the fund and sent out a general call for support to organizations and individuals. To its credit, the OU was the first and (so far) the only major organization to respond, by posting the request on its website.  

When friends of the family learned of the OU’s gracious act, we contacted them to see whether they would send a special notice to their member shuls.  They agreed and also volunteered to modify their website to indicate that all funds would be going to the Leiby Kletzky Memorial Fund. The OU was never trying to take advantage of a tragic situation.  It only wanted to fulfill the family’s request to the best of its ability.  To write anything different is simply not the case.  
 
For that reason, we ask that you display a correction and, at the same time, remove the offensive and misleading article from your website.
 
Please contact us at 718-838-1708 for any further clarification you might seek.

Thank you in advance for your cooperation.
Mr Pinchas Zweig on behalf of the Fund directors and the Kletzki family.

 

 

 

>Yes. Months after the fact, people
>came forward and said a man with a
>gold car tried to accost their
>children. They didn't report it at the
>time. Not to Shomrim, not to the
>police, not to anybody. Don't blame
>the rabbis for this.

But it is the Rabbis who discourage this sort of reporting. It is clear from Agudah you must first get permission from a Rabbi before reporting same.

>There is no proof Levi Aron molested
>anyone prior to his kidnapping of >Leiby. Maybe some will emerge, but so
>far, none has. On the other hand,
>there's lots of proof he murdered >someone.

And your point?

>This crime has nothing to do with the
>usual situations where the community
>sweeps stuff under the rug,

Really? And you know this before the police investigation is complete?

>and the mainstream Jewish press, such
>as the Forward, agrees with me, not
>with you.

Really? A source?

>Everyone was out in force looking for
>this boy. To accuse the Boro Park
>community of ignoring this situation
>is a vicious canard.

No, actually if prior attempted kidnappings (the 2 we know of so far) had been immediately reported to the police Levi might have come to the attention of the police earlier.

>As far as Shmarya and Polin are
>concerned, what I wrote is that they >use their names, and don't make
>anonymous allegations. At least they
>have the courage to stand behind what
>they write.

Your name is Morris the Katz? What anonymous allegations are you referring to. I normally refer to known allegations that are in public documents or have been discussed by people with names publicly.

>Maybe you need a course in reading
>comprehension as you obviously have
>misinterpreted what I wrote.

I don't believe anyone misinterpreted you.

>If you believe it's OK for anonymous
>bloggers to make unsupported
>allegations,

What allegations are you referring to? You make anonymous allegations against the motives of people here all the time, without any factual basis.

>then you are just as bad as >JewishWhistleBlower. It was wrong back
>in the 1950's when people made
>anonymous allegations that so-and-so
>was a communist, and it's just as
>wrong to make anonymous allegations of
>sexual molestation today.

There is no comparison between one having left-wing or communist political views and one being an abuser of children. Further, many of the communist allegations were false. I have made no false allegations. Can you name even one? Of course not. As it is you. not I, making false anonymous allegations here. Please read my comments slowly and try to process same. If necessary seek assistance so that you can comprehend same.

I see you do not even address the allegation against a pedophile I cite above related to an institution that molded Levi. You are only interested in protecting the molesters.

So, Morris the Tw*tz, molestor or molestor-protector?

The only reason anyone would want to keep the status quo was if they had something to lose. The only reason someone would fear the police investigating kiddyfiddlers, is if they were one themselves. If you're not a child molestor, or protecting one, then what the hell have you got to lose from people reporting child sexual assault to the police? Give me one good reason why innocent people should fear such a situation (and not the usual false accusation tropes please).

Jwb:

For all you know, my name is Morris Katz. Or maybe it's not. That's none of your damned business.

What I don't do is print unsupported allegations using a pen name (or for that matter, my real name) against people using their real names. This is exactly what you do, so the situations are totally not comparable. I am criticizing someone for making anonymous allegations, in most cases many years old. Why does your blog end in 2005? Have you run out of molesters, or has someone you've accused threatened to sue you?

As for comparing accusations of being a communist with accusations of being a child molester, there is no difference, except that someone falsely accused, or rumored to be, a child molester is toast. These days, being called a communist isn't.

Let me repeat this nice and slowly, so putzes such as yourself and the clown who posted below you who has accused me of being a molester myself understand: I have no sympathy whatsoever for child molesters, or for that matter, molesters of any kind. None. On the other hand, nor I have any sympathy for those who make unsupported allegations of same, especially when they do so anonymously. Unlike you, I'm a believer in due process. It's the American way.

As for reporting child molesters to the cops, isn't that what the ultra-orthodox don't do, and are rightly criticized for it? But when you file a police report, you name is part and parcel of it. So if the report is false, as it was in the case of Heidi Jones, the TV weather reporter, there's a price to pay. For that reason, I don't have any problem whatsoever with reporting sexual molestation or any other crime to the police.

Posted by: Morris the Katz | July 25, 2011 at 06:30 AM

I see your point about Shmarya with Vicki Polin, and I apologist on that signal point. However, I disagree with your supposing that in this case there were no prove that any Rabbi bought pressure to bear on these people not to report to the police that he was stalking children. You do not need specific prove, the Charedi public are conditioned not to report; therefore it is irrelevant if in this case there are no specific allegations which surfaced. Furthermore, you never explained why you would make a play on “jewishwhistleblower” his pen name, when he used a median were pen names is the norm.

The email claiming the OU was just responding to the family's request and had no other agenda is not supported by either the original OU post or the narrative timeline, If you study the original screenshot as shown on this blog, its pretty clear something stinks.

The email claiming the OU was just responding to the family's request and had no other agenda is not supported by either the original OU post or the narrative timeline, If you study the original screenshot as shown on this blog, its pretty clear something stinks.

http://www.jewishwhistleblower.blogspot.com

>For all you know, my name is Morris
>Katz. Or maybe it's not. That's none
>of your damned business.

So you can be anonymous and make false allegations about me but no one else can make anonymous comments?

>What I don't do is print unsupported
>allegations

I don't either. Name one. Show us one. Or shut the hell up.

>using a pen name (or for
>that matter, my real name) against
>people using their real names.

You do all the time and false allegations making up false motivations for people's actions that you could not possibly know.

>This is exactly what you do, so the
>situations are totally not comparable.

Give us one actual example. You cannot. I have never made one false allegation.

>I am criticizing someone for making
>anonymous allegations, in most cases
>many years old.

There is no statute of limitations on the truth or in Judaism in excposing evil.
...
http://pitputim.wordpress.com/2011/07/14/piskei-din-from-%d7%9e%d7%95%d7%94%d7%a8-%d7%94%d7%a8%d7%91-%d7%a9%d7%9b%d7%98%d7%a8-%d7%a9%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%98%d7%90/

Piskei Din from מוה”ר הרב שכטר שליט”א
1. The מצווה of ובערת הרע מקרבך implies that there is no so-called time limit against alleged criminal activity. They must be investigated.
2. There is no איסור of חילול השם involved in re-opening and investigating something which happened in the past. On the contrary, especially when the אומות העולם do this as a matter of procedure and process, by not doing so, that of itself is a חילול השם because it gives the impression that their moral system is superior to ours.
...

>Why does your blog end
>in 2005?

It has not ended and has not been removed. Nor will it. It served its purpose. There are now other blogs where before there were none.

(continued)

>Have you run out of molesters,

Nope.

>or has someone you've accused
>threatened to sue you?

No one has named me as a party in any lawsuit nor has anyone ever filed an affidavit alleging any false fact posted on my blog. None.

Have I been threatened absolutely. It comes with the territory. The threats did not lead to the removal of my blog nor did they silence me, nor will they.

>As for comparing accusations of being
>a communist with accusations of being
>a child molester, there is no >difference, except that someone
>falsely accused, or rumored to be, a
>child molester is toast.

Firstly, your comparison is stupid. Secondly, you have yet to give one example of a false allegation I made because you are a liar. I have nerver made a false allegation. Thirdly, in our community alleged and real pedophiles are not "toast". Kolko has done well with school contracts. Lipa Brenner still gets kavod and is supported by community rabbonim etc etc

>Let me repeat this nice and slowly, so
>putzes such as yourself and the clown
>who posted below you who has accused
>me of being a molester myself
>understand: I have no sympathy
>whatsoever for child molesters, or for
>that matter, molesters of any kind.
>None.

Have you ever helped one survivor of abuse? Have you rid your community of 1 pedophile? Have you taken steps to make one community institution safer for children? Of course not. You are all talk.

(continued)

>On the other hand, nor I have any
>sympathy for those who make
>unsupported allegations of same,

Liar, clown, I have never made any false or unsupported allegation. That is a lie. You have not pointed out one.

>especially when they do so >anonymously.

Yet you continue to make false allegations anonymously. Has one person you've criticized been charged in court? Convicted? Fould liable? Of course not. Not one. You are the anonymous liar.

>Unlike you, I'm a believer in due
>process. It's the American way.

You don't even know your history. The Founding Fathers used anonymous letters in newspapers to build their base of support for founding this country. Moron.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federalist_Papers

>As for reporting child molesters to
>the cops, isn't that what the ultra-
>orthodox don't do, and are rightly
>criticized for it? But when you file a
>police report, you name is part and
>parcel of it. So if the report is
>false, as it was in the case of Heidi
>Jones, the TV weather reporter,
>there's a price to pay. For that
>reason, I don't have any problem
>whatsoever with reporting sexual
>molestation or any other crime to the
>police.

The Jones case has nothing to do with me or the discussion. You can't point to one false allegation I've made because everything you claim against me is a lie. Why don't you attack those who prevent reporting abuse allegations to the authorities? Because that is not your agenda. You are a liar and protector of those in our community who enable abuse. You do so in part by falsely alleging that false allegations/unsubstantiated allegations are made by me and others. You haven't given one actual example in regard to me, because you can't. Process that you clown.

Uh oh... looks like a lot of organiztions are trying to cash in... How disgusting!

Because there is no credible link for pilichowski that is why he can easily delete it from Wikipedia.

The burden is on you, JWB, to substantiate your allegations, not me. You're the one who's been making them.

Now you've made an allegation that I'm a "liar, and protector of those in our community who enable abuse." The burden of proof is upon you again.

>The burden is on you, JWB, to
>substantiate your allegations, not me.
>You're the one who's been making them.
>
>Now you've made an allegation that I'm
>a "liar, and protector of those in our
>community who enable abuse." The
>burden of proof is upon you again.

Moron.

You claim "I also don't condone anonymous people making allegations which can't be proven" but can't even give one example in regard to me. Because I've never made one unsubstantiated allegation nor has any one ever been proven false.

I've given you every opportunity to back up your lie with proof. You haven't.

The only reason to circulate your false claim against me would be to help the predators and their enablers I rally against.

Game over. You are a liar.

You've shown exactly what you're made of by your gratutitous insults. You've arrogated yourself to be judge, jury, and executioner. It doesn't work that way here.

People like you don't belong in the USA.

So all you people who started slandering the OU, I think that email was pretty straight forward, and whomever singled out rabbi Weil on this blog owes him an apology. Even if u r using your fake name, because we all know who u r anyway.

>People like you don't belong in the
>USA.

Because of gratutitous insults (by the way they are not gratutitous, you earned them)?

You are certainly un-american in denying me my free speech rights.

>You've arrogated yourself to be judge,
>jury, and executioner.

Actually not. I can't convict, sentence or imprison anyone. Can you give an actual example where I have instead of making baseless allegations against me? Of course not.

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