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July 19, 2011

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Adam Neira

One question the investigators should try and work out...

Did Leiby Kletzky know Levi Aron ?

The implications of a yes answer are immense.

Adam

Perhaps there should be a special hotline for abuse calls? in the entire city.

Adam

AN, without a paper trail, if they find the murderes phone number in Leiby's belonging say, the only way I can see is if they can look at all surveilance tapes in the area and see if they are ever together or another boy for that matter.

I was asking if technology exists where you can take the murderes picture and do a scan search on all available video in the area.

If nothing comes up it is still not 100 %
but that would be a good indication that they didn't know each other.

Stan

As I posted yesterday - I am convinced they knew each other. Too coincindental that Leiby just happened to ask Aron for directions of all ppl out & abt @ 5pm + waited for him for 7 mins to pay a dental bill. It's ridiculous. He trusted him b/c he knew him. Certain portions of the community are covering it up.

fyge

Stan, it could be that when he reached 18 and Dehill Leiby finally gave up and decided to ask directions from the next guy he will find, and he bumped in to Levi Aron who offered him a RIDE not just directions!! And that's why he waited for him 7 min.

Stan

Fyge - what are the odds?

facts

hey stan why is it so hard to comprehend? i understand your love of bashing frum people is infinite,but just swallow the facts,its on video.
Maybe next time.........

FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican

There was a photo in the NY media apparently taken by a traffic helicopter showing the back yard of the Aron home dug up by police. I wonder if they suspect a coverup, too?

Stan

hey Facts - this has NOTHING to do w/ someone being frum or not. I simply believe this boy knew this monster previously. The parents may not have been aware they knew each other. A RANDOM child snatcher doesnt have the child wait for him for 7 mins outside a dental office @ rush hour while he takes his sweet time paying bills. Until the video miraculously produces audio, I'm not convinced.

Morris

I agree with Facts. Stan is your typical frum basher- and probably has a full yeshiva education to boot

Dr. Dave

Morris - if a full yeshiva education engenders frum bashing, then maybe it's time to re-evaluate yeshiva education!

Stan

Correct. Full yeshiva education including being slapped periodically by a grade school charedi Rabbi as a form of discipline.

seymour

Correct. Full yeshiva education including being slapped periodically by a grade school charedi Rabbi as a form of discipline.

Posted by: Stan | July 19, 2011 at 11:40 AM

me too

however, I think it is weird that he waited and needs to be investigated
I would not say for sure

leiby might have been very happy someone was helping him so he waited

Adam

so the fruma community should also set up a hotline for children to call then.

Adam

its not proof that he knew him by picking him out to ask. waiting 7 minutes is also not, child was worried, now he has someone to help him.

That doeesn't prove they knew each other.

Only with more video watching can you maybe see a patern, was this murdrer at that spot every day hunting?

was he seen with other boys? or Leiby Z"L.

Sarah K

It's dreadful that Stan and Seymour were slapped around by their yeshiva teachers, as most of the men in my family were, but at least they weren't raped by the teachers -- something so many bocherim have suffered.
Just read in the NY Times that the R.C. Cardinal in Philly "retired" after years of covering up lots of sex abuse cases. Interesting (and tragic) how the Chassidim copy that church.
Sarah K

Morris

Stan & Seymour, are for sure just a small example of yeshiva kids slapped around by their rabbis. I remember a kid Nat- violently pulled by his sideburns, and Manfred-hit in shiny white teeth. One friend, Carl was like a true Partisan- always sticking up for his classmates

Stan

Never raped, thank G-d. Just to clarify - the slapper was a charedi rabbi teaching @ a modern ortho day school. if such wd occur today there is no doubt in my mind that the slapper wd be dismissed & perhaps prosecuted.

Dr. Dave

My kids had such bad experiences in day school, that my oldest wants nothing to do with religion at all. It wasn't physical abuse, but the usual shtuyot: teaching that goyim have no soul, stating that converts weren't real Jews (with converts in the class), browbeating girls whose skirts were a centimeter too short, belittling anyone who had the temerity to ask questions etc.

The teachers are the worst and slowest, not the best and brightest.

Had I sent my kids to public school, they would have had a less negative view of Judaism, particularly the chareidi extremism that passes for normative orthodox Judaism these days.

seymour

Stan & Seymour, are for sure just a small example of yeshiva kids slapped around by their rabbis. I remember a kid Nat- violently pulled by his sideburns, and Manfred-hit in shiny white teeth. One friend, Carl was like a true Partisan- always sticking up for his classmates

Posted by: Morris | July 19, 2011 at 04:03 PM

that was in the good old days

today i think even in the frum yeshivas it is a no no.

Interesting many times frum people ask me if I went off the derech because I was molested.

I say I was not molested

and when on the derech and saw the light

dh

There are anonymous abuse hotlines in every city, county and state in the Union and by law they all have to be investigated with in a few hours. Who would ever tell that to the Orthodox community? Who in the Orthodox community would ever listen?

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Journey

I have a three year old. And watching her interact with the world I realize how many people a child will trust without knowing their names. The clerks at shops the family often goes to, the dry cleaner on the corner. The friendly guy that you see walking on the street.

Children trust the people that they see as belonging to part of their environment, clerks in shop aprons, things that fit patterns that are familiar. To a child something familiar is not strange.

That is why I'm raising my daughter to not fear strangers, but to distrust certain behaviors. Even I was raised with the phrase 'stranger danger', but the Center for Missing and Exploited Children says that does not help a child. What is strange to a child?

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