Perv Molests 2 In Borough Park

A sicko lured two boys — one of whom was celebrating his 12th birthday -- separately into a Brooklyn synagogue and molested them within an hour of each other. The incidents came to light after one of the victims told his father what had happened. The dad in turn contacted Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, a advocate who works to expose incidents of child sexual molestation in the Hasidic Orthodox Jewish community. Rosenberg gave the father the number of an NYPD detective. "I said go down to the detective, and report it," Rosenberg said.

   

B'klyn sicko lured young boys into shul, then molested them
JAMIE SCHRAM, DANNY GOLD and DAN MANGAN • New York Post

A sicko lured two boys — one of whom was celebrating his 12th birthday -- separately into a Brooklyn synagogue and molested them within an hour of each other, The Post has learned.

Now sex-crime cops are aggressively searching for the pervert, who did his dirty work Wednesday afternoon in a busy Borough Park shul.

The first victim, who turned 12 on Wednesday, was walking home from school at around 4 p.m. when he was approached by an unidentified man at Simcha Hall, a synagogue on 15th Avenue at the intersection of 50th Street. The shul serves members of the Belz sect of the Hasidic community.

The man, who was dressed as a Hasidic, pushed the boy into the bathroom of Simcha Hall, offered him money, and then pulled down the victim’s pants and molested him, according to a source. The man then told the boy to leave.

Less than an hour later, another boy was walking by the synagogue when the same man accosted him, took him to the basement, and molested him there, a source said.

The incidents came to light after one of the victims told his father what had happened. The dad in turn contacted Rabbi Nuchem Rosenberg, a advocate who works to expose incidents of child sexual molestation in the Hasidic Orthodox Jewish community.

Rosenberg gave the father the number of an NYPD detective.

"I said go down to the detective, and report it," Rosenberg said.

Rosenberg also said that the father told him that the molester, who was described a "young man" by the victim, asked that boy to "help pack up some Jewish books from the basement to the top floor" of the synagogue, and then cornered the boy in the basement.

On Thursday, according to Rosenberg, that victim’s grandfather visited the synagogue, "to see if this is a shul or a madhouse.

There, the grandfather encountered the father of the other victim, who was visiting the synagogue to see if anyone knew anything about the perpetrator.

David Orlander, whose son Nafatali Orlander manages the shul, said he had hear about the alleged attacks, but did not know who committed them.

"We won’t sweep it under the rug. Nobody is denying it [happened] but, for some reason, nobody knowns anything either," Orlander said.

"Our shul is open 20 hours a day, and there’s not necessarily someone in the building," Orlander said. "It’s open, in case anyone wants to come in an study. Even the mailman and the sanitation workers know it’s open and they can use the bathrooms. Anyone can walk in there."

Additional reporting by Jessica Simeone.

[Hat Tip for the video: Seymour.]

Comments

[WoolSilkCotton]

Who's that guy in the photo? His hat is about 5 sizes too small.

[OMG]

That is Nuchem Rosenberg

[MARK M]

GO NUCHEM GO URE THE BEST

[WoolSilkCotton]

Thanks OMG. Finally there is a leader in the community with the courage to tell families to go to the police.

[anuran]

Nuchem Rosenberg is a hero.
That's why he's been kicked out of every shul within miles and has to walk across the bridge to daven.

[WoolSilkCotton]

I think OMG is right, that photo is Rosenberg. Here is Rosenberg's facebook photo:

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Rabbi-Nuchem-Rosenberg/26908656063

[WoolSilkCotton]

Did someone's posting just get removed? They were claiming that the photo was the accused molester.

[seymour]

"We won’t sweep it under the rug. Nobody is denying it [happened] but, for some reason, nobody knowns anything either," Orlander said.

this I am not sure about, I wonder if there has been other cases?

Or, maybe I am wrong but past history tells me otherwise

[Shmarya]

Did someone's posting just get removed? They were claiming that the photo was the accused molester.

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | June 25, 2011 at 11:02 PM

Yes, I removed it and banned him.

He called himself Nuchim and said the picture is the molester.

[OMG]

Although I disagree with him about his anti gay massage, but I am proud of what he is doing in the child advocacy field. Here is his blog.
http://nochemrosenberg.blogspot.com/

PS I know Nuchem from the Yeshiva

[jewland]

i hear that lots of people know who the perp is and are protecting him. one of the people who knows is yanky daskal from shomrim.

[jewland]

who

[seymour]

tv report http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news/local/new_york&id=8214492

read the comments on Vin they are shocked that such a thing can happen in the community
and they said we should hunt him down.

shocked what planet have they been living in the last few years

My only assumption is they thing it is a goy who dressed up as a yid otherwise they would be crying not to publish the perpetrators name since it will hurt his family not to hunt him down and so on

[Yechiel]

Jewland:
Your name triggered something I told someone this Shabbos; Since New square is in Jewland a border should be in place...

[Loshonhora]

Jewland:
Your name triggered something I told someone this Shabbos; Since New square is in Jewland a border should be in place...

Posted by: Yechiel | June 25, 2011 at 11:33 PM
How will they get programs from Goyland?

[jewland]

dont u worry they will find a way

[Eliyohu]

Look, it does not shock me that the frum world is not immune to the problems of the wider world, Child molestation, domestic violence, drug and alcohol addiction, promiscuity, violence, juvenile delinquency, etc, etc exist everywhere. Is that something surprising? Sad, yes. Surprising, no. In all the above, I have no reason to think they are any more common in the frum world than the secular world. As I said, no community is immune to these kinds of problems.

What IS for us to be concerned about is the question of how our community DEALS WITH these universal problems. Are they properly attended to? Is there room for improvement?

(White-collar crime is a somewhat seperate issue. Here it could be said that our community (or at least parts of it) DOES have a particular problem with honesty in business, which needs to be confronted).

[Shmarya]

I have no reason to think they are any more common in the frum world than the secular world.

Actually, you do have reason.

For many years, haredim have been told by their rabbinic leaders not to report these crimes to police.

At the same time, haredi rabbis have 'dealt' with sexual abuse by doing nothing or by forcing the pedophile to move to another Jewish community.

That means more pedophiles are active for longer periods of time in communities like that.

And since each pedophile usually has multiple victims, and since haredim have lots of children, it is more than reasonable to conclude more kids are sexually abused in Borough Park than in Rego Park, both prorated and in actuality.

You may recall that when Dov Hikind asked haredi abuse victims to come forward, he was shocked by the huge number of cases.

People do not live in vacuums, and all things and all communities are not equal.

[CALA NY]

The perp is the same pedophile who raped the fourteen year old girl three summers ago, and the four year old the summer before. He spoke to Yiddish to them, and the sketch artist's composite is identical. Give it another day and the family's of the victims will drop the charges. Mark my word.

[seymour]

The perp is the same pedophile who raped the fourteen year old girl three summers ago, and the four year old the summer before. He spoke to Yiddish to them, and the sketch artist's composite is identical. Give it another day and the family's of the victims will drop the charges. Mark my word.

Posted by: CALA NY | June 26, 2011 at 07:56 AM

how do you know this info

[CALA NY]

Seymour, I saw the sketch.

[Yechiel]

Loshonhora
THAT IS the point. No more programs...

[Eliyohu]

Shmarya, you do have a point. I should have been more clear. I would assume that the percentage of men or women with pedophilic inclinations would be approximately the same in all communities (both secular and religious). As I said (and you seem to agree), the issue / scandal is NOT the fact that such men (or women - remember Mrs Leifer?) exist - it's how our community DEALS WITH the problem. When an abuser is identified, the priority must be to ensure that he will not get to add to his list of victims!

I'm wondering, do you believe that haredim are more likely to be sexually attracted to children than the general population?

In terms of the other problems I mentioned (domestic violence, drug and alcohol addiction, promiscuity, violence, juvenile delinquency, etc, etc) a common phenomenon can occur. Ironically, the *success* in making these problems so rare *causes* those who *do* suffer from them to feel more isolated. This isn't an excuse for our community being an ostrich, but it does help put things in perspective.

[george]

Again some perspective is needed. As example, the following about the U.S. (secular) educational system:

http://www2.ed.gov/rschstat/research/pubs/misconductreview/report.pdf

states such things as "Only 5 to 6 percent of child sexual
abuse cases become known to social services or the police" (that is apparently referring to the general population, not just schools).

As far as the school is concerned: "9.6 percent of all students in grades 8 to 11 report
contact and/or noncontact educator sexual misconduct that was unwanted".

Note the "unwanted" word. In this secular society with the culture it has, one wonders how many "willing" underage victims there re on top of the "unwilling".

Some of you guys are developing "tunnel vision". Stare too much at one sector of society and you come up with your own rationalization as to why that sector is so much worse than another.

[deremes is sheker]

shmarya , i dont know if you were on nuchums site today but he has a very recent photo up of alleged incestual molester GERSHON KRANCZER.

[Shmarya]

I have the same picture. At a sheva brachot, right?

[deremes is sheker]

yup. its important to post and hopefully it will circulate the world in a day or so. lots of people have no clue what he looks like. hopefully now he will be identified. which israeli charedi paper would be willing to post this pic? its important to get it into the israaeli media some how

[Shmarya]

george –

Do try to wrap that troll brain of yours around a simple fact:

In secular communities and non-haredi communities, the abuse is reported to police or CPS much more often than in haredi communities.

In secular communities and non-haredi communities, coverups of abuse by leaders is more rare.

Those are the points that upset people.

So are the attempts of Agudath Israel of America to block almost every attempt to pass legislation to protect children.

[Shmarya]

In terms of the other problems I mentioned (domestic violence, drug and alcohol addiction, promiscuity, violence, juvenile delinquency, etc, etc) a common phenomenon can occur. Ironically, the *success* in making these problems so rare *causes* those who *do* suffer from them to feel more isolated. This isn't an excuse for our community being an ostrich, but it does help put things in perspective.

Posted by: Eliyohu | June 26, 2011 at 09:29 AM

Please.

You're delusional.

There is a huge amount of addiction in haredi communities.

How many kids OD'd last year? Do you know?

There is also tons of domestic violence and promiscuity.

As for juvenile delinquents, have you ever heard of shababniks?

Do have any idea how many haredi street kids there are?

But you don't read about many of these issues because the haredi press by and large doesn't cover them, and many of the crimes that take place are not reported to police.

[Eliyohu]

Shmarya, I'm perfectly and painfully aware of all of the above. But, severe as the issues are, I still don't see these things happen any less in the secular world. As I said, no community is immune to these things. We must acknowledge that reality and work to confront and minimise there problems.

[Shmarya]

Your point was they happened LESS in the haredi world, and that is false.

[OMG]

Posted by: Eliyohu | June 26, 2011 at 08:52 PM

You are wrong, and Shmarya explained it perfectly clear why there is more molester in the orthodox community, but to no avail. Therefore, I decided to take a plunge, and use simple math so a kid from grade school will be able to grasp the answer.

Look at it this way, for the purpose of this discussion we will assume that at a certain point all communities, Orthodox Jews, other religious groups, or none religious groups have the same amount of molesters in their midst. For easy math we will use hypothetical numbers, for each one thousand people you have twenty molesters, a very low number that is only two percent. Therefore, the first factor is equal in all communities; now let us look at the second factor, it is known that if someone is a molester and is not caught he will molest others, to make it easy let’s say that for each year the molester is not caught he will molest ten new victims. Subsequently if you have a nineteen-year-old person who is not reported to the police, twenty years later when he is forty-nine he will have molested two hundred new victims, but in the communities who do report, they will not have these two hundred new victims. Now let us look at the third factor and this is the most important factor. If you go back to the original groups, we used a two percent molester rate. However, if someone was molested as a kid, the kid will turn into molester at a greater rate than the original study group. Some studies suggest that there is a tenfold increase in the rate so from the 200 victims; instead of 4 new molester you will have forty new molester. Now just think about the next twenty years instead of having just eight molester, the rate will exponentially increase to a rate that the whole community will be molesters. Hope this help you.

[Bassy the Haredi Slayer]

Subsequently if you have a nineteen-year-old person who is not reported to the police, twenty years later when he is forty-nine he will have molested two hundred new victims

Really ?

[Stop The Stupidity]

There is an important point going unaddressed in this discussion. The "owner" of the shul where the abuse was perpetrated proudly announces that his shul is open to the public without any supervision. Anyone can come in.
Doesn't this idiot realize that he's guilty of providing the "sicko" a safe environment to harm these innocent kids?

[maven]

I'm concerned that you put the picture of the good guy up as though he was the perp.

[george]

Such garbage pseudo-science in these posts on this topic, all to bolster pre-conceived prejudices.

Though it may change (again), the current opinion as noted in wikipedia is:

> Causal factors of child sex offenders are not known conclusively.[108] The experience of sexual abuse as a child was previously thought to be a strong risk factor, but research does not show a causal relationship, as the vast majority of sexually abused children do not grow up to be adult offenders, nor do the majority of adult offenders report childhood sexual abuse. The US Government Accountability Office concluded, "the existence of a cycle of sexual abuse was not established."

One might also wish to read such things as :

http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pages/focus_on_the_cause.html

The factors (in the above link) that, in certain conditions may lead to an (unproven) intuitive notion that certain alleged Hareidi traits may lead to an increase in molestation is well balanced against other factors that lead to the reverse (unproven) intuitive notion.