Knesset Research Center Finds Ethiopian Jews Trapped In Educational "Ghettos"
Committee Chairman MK Danny Danon (Likud) called the findings "insulting to Israeli society," adding that "this somber reality of 'ghettos' requires the attention of the government ministries and professional bodies, which must formulate a work plan for the proper integration of the Ethiopian community, instead of forcing it to the sidelines."
Report: Schools discriminate against Ethiopians
New survey presented to Knesset's Immigration Committee reveals Ethiopian student body 'forced' into specific schools
Tomer Velmer • Ynet
Israel has over 100 preschools and schools with a majority of Ethiopian students, a new report by the Knesset Research Center revealed.
The report will be submitted to the Knesset's Committee for Immigration, Absorption and Diaspora Affairs on Tuesday, as it debated the integration of Ethiopian children in schools.
Ethiopian children make up 1% of the education system's student body. The report suggests that the concentration of Ethiopian immigrants in certain communities has resulted in some schools becoming "ghettos" for the community's children.
The data indicated that Israel has 10 kindergartens and one elementary school whose student body is exclusively Ethiopian; and these students make up over 50% of the student body in 75 preschools, 17 elementary schools, four junior high schools and seven high schools.
The percentage of Ethiopian students to successfully graduate high school has risen from 32.7% to 42.1% between 2007 and 2010, but it is still significantly lower than the percentage noted in the general Jewish student body – 64.6%.
The report found that only 21% of Ethiopians qualify for higher education.
Education Minister Gideon Sa'ar said that his ministry was "working to ensure the optimal integration of Ethiopian students in Israeli schools and strives to place them is schools which can offer the proper academic and social integration."
Since the ministry cannot prevent parents from enrolling their children in a specific school because of the ratio of Ethiopian students, he added, "We are working on making school more attractive, so they would appeal to a diversified population."
A position paper submitted to the committee by the Israeli Association for Ethiopian Jews said that "The separation of Ethiopian students and 'holding' them in schools 'of their own' are indicative of a clear policy of segregation, which perpetuates racist perceptions labeling them as weaker than other students.
"This policy is in clear contrast to the spirit if the State of Israel as a democratic state which welcomes immigrants and offers them equal opportunities."
Committee Chairman MK Danny Danon (Likud) called the findings "insulting to Israeli society," adding that "this somber reality of 'ghettos' requires the attention of the government ministries and professional bodies, which must formulate a work plan for the proper integration of the Ethiopian community, instead of forcing it to the sidelines."
This is a disgrace.
Posted by: anuran | June 28, 2011 at 01:24 AM
i am sure that their behavior and "lifestyle choices" have absolutely NOTHING to do with their failures in achieving success in Israeli society-very similar, no doubt, to the lack of success that blacks have in America achieving success-drugs, out of wedlock births, quitting school-not important factors at all-it is ALWAYS society's fault-and if EVER anyone DARES to present evidence that would seem to suggest that choices and behavior have anything at all to do with the failures of blacks in society, then, of course, you must IMMEDIATELY call them a racist and shout them down-so that we can get some more of this!
http://24wired.tv/13468/neighborhood-crews-fight-during-caribbean-carnival/
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 08:17 AM
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 08:17 AM
You're an idiot and a racist both.
Do try to wrap your tiny, bigoted 'mind' around a stunning little fact you're too ignorant to know:
Jews in NYC in 1920 committed a large amount of crime, had a huge amount of juvenile delinquents, made up a large part of organized crimes and didn't graduate from high school in as high a percentage as Protestants did.
And lots of Protestants who thought just like you blamed Jews' "race," culture and choices for those problems.
But some Protestants recognized that outreach, along with better schools and an open door work policy would dramatically reduce these problems – and so they did.
You're racist scum. And you're not smart.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 08:43 AM
Seems the government is damned if it does and damned if it doesn't. Force the Ethiopians to integrate and not only does that deprive the parents of therr right to choose, it also eliminates the unique and distinct culture which is their heritage. Don't force them to integrate, and the government is accused of creating a "ghetto".
Here in Ontario (in Canada), we were voted-down on (even partial) government funding for religious schools other than Catholic (Catholic religious schools in the elementary grades are government funded). Yet at the same time the government instituted race-based (Black) schoools and went all out to somehow divert and convince enough Blacks (and it had great difficulty in doing so) for even a minimal sized school. Isn't that a "ghetto"?
Posted by: george | June 28, 2011 at 08:53 AM
"But some Protestants recognized that outreach, along with better schools and an open door work policy would dramatically reduce these problems – and so they did"
what mostly changed that was the passage of time. I know of no significant Protestant outreach to the LES that would have impacted these issues (I mean Jacob Riis et al were very nice, but most of the change resulting from public policy in those years impacted housing and health, not really education or crime) Non-discrimination in employment didnt become law (or, for the most part, even practice) till after the war IIUC, by which time the problems were already resolving themselves. I am not sure there was any massive improvement in NYC public schools between 1920 and 1940.
This "The percentage of Ethiopian students to successfully graduate high school has risen from 32.7% to 42.1% between 2007 and 2010," would suggest that the same thing is at work in Israel.
Which is not to say the Israeli state, Israelis as private citizens, and Jews in the diaspora shouldnt do what they/we can. But time is likely to be the larger factor.
Posted by: masortiman | June 28, 2011 at 10:26 AM
Shmarya - i would love for you to cite some sources, i have never heard of this phenomenon
Posted by: Joonarchist | June 28, 2011 at 11:39 AM
The Ives-Quinn act, which I have seen referred to as one of the first employment discrimination laws in the US, was passed in New York State in 1945.
Posted by: masortiman | June 28, 2011 at 12:00 PM
And of course TooClose2FuckingNaziism falls all over himself rushing to screech "Nigger! Nigger! Nigger!"
Posted by: anuran | June 28, 2011 at 12:59 PM
A large issue is that most of these students' parents came from areas where there wasn't a developed formal education system like there is in Israel. In a generation or two the graduation levels should probably mirror that of the general population.
The most surprising thing about this was that the high school graduation rate for Jews was only 64.6%. Here in America, I know very few Jews of my generation or my parent's generation who haven't gone to university. The fact that there are so many Jews in Israel not even graduating high school is both surprising and disturbing.
Posted by: Bubba Metzia | June 28, 2011 at 01:50 PM
You're racist scum. And you're not smart.
Posted by: Shmarya
And of course TooClose2FuckingNaziism falls all over himself rushing to screech "Nigger! Nigger! Nigger!"
Posted by: anuran
Thank you for proving my point-not like i could give a shit about what either of you think of me, but dare anyone to say that perhaps, just perhaps, blacks bear some responsibility for the low positions that they find themselves in, in every society that they are, be it in America, South America, Europe, Israel, or Africa-that maybe, JUST maybe, the consistent patterns of out of wedlock birthrate, not attempting to exceed in education, attaching themselves to and emulating performers that glorify immediate physical satisfaction with no concern for the consequences, and extremely high crime rates-and the immediate jack boot reaction is "you're a racist-you're a fool"-same old shit-you are basically little girlies that are hoping that if you tell blacks that nothing is their fault, then when the civil strife that you have enabled, you will be protected-you wont be, like the people who were terrorized by the black groups who terrorized Peoria the other night weren't-but by then, you stupid fucking retards, it will be too late-when the "revolution" comes, it will sweep up your stupid asses also-but the difference will be, YOU will have enabled it-o-asshole-where is the story of the kid in Crown Heights that got the shit beat out of him the other day???
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 01:53 PM
where is the story of the kid in Crown Heights that got the shit beat out of him the other day???
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 01:53 PM
I am sure that the jewish kid started up with the 2 blacks that beat the shit out of him and robbed him-so, that being the case, I am surprised that our little girlie leader couldnt fit it in.
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 03:08 PM
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 01:53 PM
Notice that instead of answering my point that Jews in NYC in 1920 committed a lot of crime, had a huge amount of juvenile delinquency and poor graduation rates, and that Protestant New Yorkers often condemned Jews for being of an inferior race as a result, TCTD just goes into another racist rant.
He's a sick man and a dishonest man – and the person he most deceives is himself.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 03:27 PM
i dont give a shit about what the protestants said-and, if the jews would STILL be participating in behavior that kept them trapped in poverty and crime, then the hex would be on them-but whether the protestants helped them or not, they fucking clawed their way out of it dipshit-there have been programs costing trillions to get blacks out of poverty for 50 fucking years, and each one is more of a failure than the last-and as long as dumbasses like you constantly make excuses for them and try to obfuscate the simple reality that many of their problems are caused, not by whitey, but by stupid irresponsible life choices, nothing will ever change-BTW-where is the fucking story about the kid that got the skit beat out of him in crown heights by black thugs, you worthless pile of parrot droppings???-
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 03:36 PM
Idiot.
Blacks can't stop looking black, now can they?
Jews, however, can pass.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 03:41 PM
listen numnuts-somehow or another asians, who cant exactly stop looking asian, indians from india cant exactly stop looking indian, but somehow they have managed to overcome those viscous always looking to keep the minority down white people-could it possibly be-now put your skirt on tight-but could it possibly be that they study hard, work hard, dont have children out of wedlock by the millions and dont listen to stupid fucking rappers telling them to kill, steal, and fuck everything in sight??-nahh, sure its just a coincidence-o-BTW,where IS that story about the Bovey Boy that got beaten and robbed in Clown Heights?-(just a guess-if it woulda been jews that woulda beaten and robbed a black, then your obsession with Rubashkin wouldve paled in comparison-you are one sick fucking hypocritical bastard.
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 04:07 PM
Just to put some context here. I remember back to when they were being brought into the country. It started off in secret. It had to be secret because their country of origin was one of those who refused to have any "official" (at least any overt) contact with Israel and Israel had to pay for each one before the country of origin let them out.
When someone let it slip, it so embarrased the country of origin that the country of origin halted the process.
Israel was castigated by both sides: those who pressured Israel to bring them in (despite the country of origin not permitting them to leave!) and blamed Israel for being racist for not bringing them, and, those who blamed Israel for using them as an excuse to steal Palestinian land and denied Israel had the right to bring them in (today it still goes on - see http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/145246).
And there was on TV (shown even here in Canada) of one of the earlier immigrants, at the time of her TV appearance an attractive female and alleged University student, wearing a "Bo Derek" hair style so popular at the time. She castigated Israel mercilessly for its "racism" for not bringing more (not a word against any of those entities who were blocking the emigration). No matter who does (or does not do) what, it is Israel's fault. Her leftist professors taught her well.
Posted by: george | June 28, 2011 at 04:12 PM
TCTD–
Idiot.
The western world does not have a tradition naming Asians and Indians as children of Ham who are born to be enslaved – but it does have one about blacks.
Asians really only overcame prejudice here after Japan became successful economically in the late 1970s. Then Asians were viewed as design wizards and did well in high tech.
Indians were discriminated against until we started importing large numbers of software engineers and doctors from India in the 1990s.
But you're far too bigoted – and even more than that, far too stupid – to understand this.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 04:15 PM
O yeah-everyone walks around talking about the children of Ham-sure-its on everyone's mind-yup-BTW, ye of semen encrusted mouth-where is that story about the jewish kid that got the shit beat out of him in clown heights by 2 of your little demigods?-you so suck in so many ways.
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 04:31 PM
Posted by: george | June 28, 2011 at 04:12 PM
Please.
The leak in question was intentional and came from Moshe Dayan, who was a cabinet minister at the time, which is why Ethiopian Jews and activists were upset.
Subsequent rescues were done by the American Association for Ethiopian Jews and Baruch Tegegne.
Operation Moses was paid for and negotiated by the US – as was Operation Joshua and Operation Solomon.
Operation Moses stopped due to Labor party leaks – finally a leak from Shimon Peres.
So Ethiopian Jews and activists had – and have – a lot to complain about.
And your understanding of the what happened is wrong.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 04:35 PM
tooclose-
there is a difference between all the other groups you brought up and blacks. indians, asians etc... came here of their own free will looking for more opportunity. most blacks are descended from those brought here against their will as slaves, and just a few short generations ago were seen as second class by everyone including themselves.
but depite that i agree with you that many of the current problems in the black community are due in part to poor choices, and in part to a deficiency of positive choices as role models.
however, where we part ways is that i dont attribute any of the problems to their "blackness" per se, while you do. evidence of that is your accusing the ethiopians in israel of these very same poor choices. it seems that all you need to know before making that assumption is that their skin is black. and that is why you get labeled as a racist.
i may be quite liberal on social issues, and am definitely not a racist, but that doesnt mean blacks can do no wrong and i too am quite upset at how the leaders of the black communities have been so unsuccessful in changing so much of what ails them.
but just as you dont want to be troubled by having to think about the fact that many factors contribute to the problems in their communities, some of which are within their control and some which are not, so too you feel better placing any who disagree with your racist position as being liberal fools who deify blacks, and hold them blameless for their actions. you are wrong in both instances.
Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | June 28, 2011 at 05:09 PM
from what i understand, they make many of the same "mistakes" that their brethren in the US, Canada, South America, etc etc etc make-crime is higher, drug use his higher, school dropouts are higher-etc etc etc-how hard is it to say "well, if i keep my dick in my pants until i can actually support the product of my pleasure, if i dont listen to music that encourages me to behave like a beast, if i dont drop out of school and actually try to use and improve my mind, then perhaps my chances of success may, just may increase"?-what a concept!!!-I work in the corporate world and am CONSTANTLY exposed to "diverse" candidates that were moved along in school, given free educations, given jobs that they would NOT have gotten if not for the color of their skin, and perform poorly with a horrendous, arrogant attitude-and, of course, dont get fired-one dude absolutely SUCKED at his engineering job-could barely fucking add-, and they basically put him in a no brain lower level personnel position-this is shit i have been seeing for over 20 years!!-and it NEVER changes!-are there exceptions?-of course-but that is what they are-but, of course, it is NEVER their fault-BTW, Scotty-where IS that story bout the Bovey kid that got the shit beaten out of him in Clown Heights???????
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 05:24 PM
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 05:24 PM
Again, idiot, every one of those things were said about Jews in 1920 NYC.
But you're far too racist to process that, now aren't you?
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 05:30 PM
@tooclose2detroit: The problem is that you're assuming that Black people from ANYWHERE in the world no matter what, behave the way you describe. Have you met any ethiopian Jews? Have you spent any time with them? I have news for you: they have communities and shuls in the good ol' USA. if you actually bothered to get to visit them and know them, you'd find they're decent, hard working, kind , gentle and family oriented. Just like OTHER Jews.
Posted by: SkepticalYid | June 28, 2011 at 05:45 PM
and again, you frozen brained hypocritical little putz-the Jews did the right things to leave that world behind-the blacks do everything to ensure they never will.-You wanna live in the 1920's-I sure wish ya did-o-BTW-BTW, Scotty-where IS that story bout the Bovey kid that got the shit beaten out of him by black thugs in Clown Heights???????-prove that youve got some fucking balance and bring a story that might actually bring some negative light to your demigods-nahh-no fucking way are you in the least capable of that-Luckily, for the world, you probably wont reproduce, and half the fetuses of those that think like you get sucked out of their mothers wombs, so there may be some hope for sanity prevailing-but, I am not optimistic.
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 05:51 PM
You don't even have the integrity to address the point I made about Ethiopian Jews. Jackass.
Posted by: SkepticalYid | June 28, 2011 at 06:02 PM
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 05:51 PM
You're clearly mentally ill.
Now process, racist: Ethiopian Jews have been in Israel in large numbers for 26 years.
There are now Ethiopian Jewish doctors, lawyers, accountants, politicians, actors, professors and musicians.
That's in 26 years.
Jews first came to America in large numbers in 1881-2.
30 years later, they played a major role in organized crime in NYC. They had a high drop out rate. And there were many social problems.
Yet you want Ethiopian Jews, who came mostly from remote villages living like they had in 1500, to be perfect while you excuse the behavior of white European Jews who migrated to America.
You are clearly a racist.
You're also not very bright.
And you need mental health counseling. I suggest you get it.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 28, 2011 at 06:10 PM
You don't even have the integrity to address the point I made about Ethiopian Jews. Jackass.
Posted by: SkepticalYid |
i didnt address it because it came up after i typed my response to Skutty-yes, I have met some EJ's-my question is for you-do they have a higher rate of the types of behavior, in Israel, that lead to the same destructive results as blacks in America?-not that it would make a difference if they did-a libb has a soft part in his brain for blacks that refuse to allow him to see anything negative in them, nothing is EVER their fault, it is always whitey, or the jew, or whatever-same shit since I'm a kid-the libb is to blame for this-for if they would have told people like Jesse Jerkoff and Al Sharptoungue to shut the fuck up, instead of elevating them to deity status, then perhaps blacks in would have done the same.-owll-some things never change-BTW, Skutty-where IS that story bout the black thugs beatin the shit out of the jewish kid in clown heights??-woulda been jews beatin blax, woulda been in more places than oxygen-as usual-typical lippocrisy.
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 28, 2011 at 06:11 PM
No they do not have high rates of drug use, broken families or welfare abuse. You,however, have mental health issues. For someone who claims liberals are emotional, you spew a lot of rage and hate
Posted by: Skepticalyid | June 28, 2011 at 06:42 PM
Sure enough, tooclose2fuckingnazism is true to form. "I'm not hollering nigger you nigger-loving coal-burning race traitor!"
I'd be angrier if he weren't such a pathetic specimen. Probably secretly nurses that Jungle Fever.
Posted by: anuran | June 28, 2011 at 06:53 PM
Maybe I'm naive, but it never fails to amaze me that whenever Shmarya posts about our fellow Jews from Ethiopia, racists come out of the woodwork.
Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | June 28, 2011 at 09:00 PM
Funny, isn't it Yochanan? Could it be that attitudes like theirs are the damned problem?
No. That's just crazy talk.
Posted by: anuran | June 28, 2011 at 09:17 PM
Skepticalyid
The Charedim have incredibly high rates of drug abuse and welfare fraud. The drug is alcohol. The welfare fraud? Consider that whole towns like KJ and New Square not to mention places like Williamsburg are entirely built on Section 8, Food Stamps, Medicaid, WIC and other government programs. Religious only marriages allow Chassidic women to crank out the babies while claiming to be single mothers.
Where the Charedim rule they have turned defrauding the government into a science. No accounting. Skimming. Re-appropriation of funds. Money taken for projects that are never actually built. These are all routine.
And they do it with a profound sense of entitlement and contempt for the productive people who make their parasitic lifestyle possible.
Posted by: anuran | June 28, 2011 at 09:26 PM
anuran-
when a poster maligns haredim and their communities the haredim who post here almost always rush to defend their brethren while claiming the issue being discussed is rarely seen.
so its very telling that when fraudulent use of govt. programs is mentioned, almost nobody ever steps up to deny its prevalence. we can only imagine just how ubiquitous it must be.
Posted by: ah-pee-chorus | June 28, 2011 at 09:39 PM
Toclose2detroit never met an Ethiopian Jew or otherwise in his life. I had some Ethiopian Christians who leased a gas station/quickimart up the block from my house. Better neighbors you couldnt ask for, they were proud, educated, their hospitality0 knew no bounds I mean I could sit and speak with them about Ethiopia, their customs, the world at large and they never made me feel that I was disturbing their conducting their business and this was a very busy spot so always a line. And they tolerated no drunks or panhandlers They were a very gentle and kind people that earn your trust within a minute of meeting them.
Tooclose Black Americans arent the only Black People on Gods green earth if you hadnt noticed.
Posted by: PishPosh | June 29, 2011 at 05:59 AM
@Nuran: I was referring to Ethiopian Jews. 2close sees anyone with darker skin as a probably malt-liquor swilling, crack smoking violent offender. The fact that the Beta Israel are a deeply religious community, devoted to their families and hard working escapes his paranoid perceptions
Posted by: SkepticalYid | June 29, 2011 at 08:32 AM
My apologies, SkepticalYid.
I'll note that he's also never met my neighbors, the ones whose ancestors were slaves or the recent African immigrants.
Posted by: anuran | June 29, 2011 at 10:54 AM
Skepticalyid
The Charedim have incredibly high rates of drug abuse and welfare fraud. The drug is alcohol. The welfare fraud? Consider that whole towns like KJ and New Square not to mention places like Williamsburg are entirely built on Section 8, Food Stamps, Medicaid, WIC and other government programs. Religious only marriages allow Chassidic women to crank out the babies while claiming to be single mothers.
ANuran
Amazing--Generalization after generalization on this website smearing OJ's, and no one says shit-but DARE to point out problematic behavior in the black community, and Shmear-Yah and his libbotards come running to call racist racist racist-what a bunch of fucking libbocrites-o-Why doesnt anyone ask Shmear-Yah why he hasnt posted the story about the Jewish kid gettin the shit beaten out of him by black thugs in clown heights-because a jew getting beaten is only important to him if it was another jew-thats why I named him-"Shmear-Yah"!-
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Posted by: tooclose2detroit | June 29, 2011 at 12:05 PM
Get yourself the mental health counseling you need.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 29, 2011 at 12:35 PM
Shmarya
> The leak in question was intentional and came from Moshe Dayan
But why? Because he was a racist who wanted to prevent immigration? He was an idiot? Or was there was so much pressure put on Israel to "do something" this guy wanted to stop the pressure? Or maybe things were so bad (a time of considerable upheavel in the area) that Israel needed help and so needed to allow a crisis just to pressure those who were needed (example: US) to actually get involved. Or, maybe Dayan wanted to stab Begin in the back? Anything is possible, and no-one alive today actually knows the full motive.
> Subsequent rescues were done by the American Association for Ethiopian Jews and Baruch Tegegne.
The following is wikipedia on Baruch Tegegne (in relation to Israel's efforts as opposed to bringing them to Canada): "Although not directly involved he was credited with raising the awareness that led to Operation Moses and Operation Solomon."
> Operation Moses was paid for and negotiated by the US – as was Operation Joshua and Operation Solomon.
Somehow, the US (US Jewish money) being involved is hardly world shattering news. But in any case, this was a time of turmoil and a recognized super-power was needed to actually make this work. A random google search came up with http://wdsi.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/operation-solomon-20-years-on/ about the problems in simply verifying a single bank account!
> Operation Moses stopped due to Labor party leaks – finally a leak from Shimon Peres.
The jewishvirtuallibrary tells of additional items, such as: "full page advertisements placed by the United Jewish Appeal".
> Operation Joshua
wikipedia tells: "In 1985, then Vice President George Bush arranged a CIA-sponsored follow-up mission to Operation Moses. Operation Joshua brought an additional 800 Beta Israel from Sudan to Israel."
And anyone here really believes that in exchange, the US did not extract a price (not in cold cash)? As a minimum it was a (legal) bribe to US Jewish voters. Probably Isarel had to pay in certain other ways.
> And your understanding of the what happened is wrong.
As I said, no-one alive today knows the full motives. But, the fact remains the Ethipoian government was blocking emigration unless it was "paid off", and, Israel was blasted no matter what it did or did not do.
Posted by: george | June 29, 2011 at 01:38 PM
But why? Because he was a racist who wanted to prevent immigration? He was an idiot? Or was there was so much pressure put on Israel to "do something" this guy wanted to stop the pressure? Or maybe things were so bad (a time of considerable upheavel in the area) that Israel needed help and so needed to allow a crisis just to pressure those who were needed (example: US) to actually get involved. Or, maybe Dayan wanted to stab Begin in the back? Anything is possible, and no-one alive today actually knows the full motive.
Actually, we do know the full motive: racism and cost of absorption.
How do we know?
Because his wife said so as did Begin's people.
> Subsequent rescues were done by the American Association for Ethiopian Jews and Baruch Tegegne.
The following is wikipedia on Baruch Tegegne (in relation to Israel's efforts as opposed to bringing them to Canada): "Although not directly involved he was credited with raising the awareness that led to Operation Moses and Operation Solomon."
I've pointed out before that you are not very bright and not very honest.
Tegegne pioneered the escape routes and brought several small groups out BEFORE Operation Moses – which relied on his escape routes.
> Operation Moses was paid for and negotiated by the US – as was Operation Joshua and Operation Solomon.
Somehow, the US (US Jewish money) being involved is hardly world shattering news. But in any case, this was a time of turmoil and a recognized super-power was needed to actually make this work. A random google search came up with http://wdsi.wordpress.com/2011/05/23/operation-solomon-20-years-on/ about the problems in simply verifying a single bank account!
The United States government did it. It proposed the rescue to Israel, not the other way around.
> Operation Moses stopped due to Labor party leaks – finally a leak from Shimon Peres.
The jewishvirtuallibrary tells of additional items, such as: "full page advertisements placed by the United Jewish Appeal".
And also the Washington Jewish Week leak – all of them traceable to two sources: Israel political left and the National Religious Party's Yehuda Dominitz, who was acting on behalf of Rabbi Yosef Burg.
> Operation Joshua
wikipedia tells: "In 1985, then Vice President George Bush arranged a CIA-sponsored follow-up mission to Operation Moses. Operation Joshua brought an additional 800 Beta Israel from Sudan to Israel."
And anyone here really believes that in exchange, the US did not extract a price (not in cold cash)? As a minimum it was a (legal) bribe to US Jewish voters. Probably Isarel had to pay in certain other ways.
Not at all. Israel paid nothing. There was no extortion.
And I know details because I was deeply involved.
> And your understanding of the what happened is wrong.
As I said, no-one alive today knows the full motives. But, the fact remains the Ethipoian government was blocking emigration unless it was "paid off", and, Israel was blasted no matter what it did or did not do.
Again, this is foolish.
That Israel was "balsted" by the PLO and by Arab countries for "stealing" black from Ethiopia to populate West Bank settlements and other similar BS is not exactly a reason not to save lives.
But pretty much everything you post here is foolish or lies, because you are a fundamentally dishonest person.
Posted by: Shmarya | June 29, 2011 at 01:51 PM
Shmarya
> Tegegne pioneered the escape routes ...
But my quote from wikipedia was in respone to your "Subsequent rescues" remark, not to pioneering work.
In any case, for those inetrested they can see the Canadian version of at http://v1.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20110120.OBTEGEGNEATL/BDAStory/BDA/deaths
> racism and cost of absorption
Money is always a given even without anyone telling us.
It sounds like you believe that Moshe Dayan, and apparently Shimon Peres with a host of other "leftists" and a smattering of others, are simply racist. I wouldn't know so I can't argue. In fact, I am not even sure how you are using the word "racist" - in the narrow sense of skin-colour?
But whether or not any and/or all of them were racist, politics is politics and it really is hard to believe that these guys made aliyah decisions based on Racism instead of Realpolitik. Ben-Gurion and his friends had (to put it mildly) no love for Yemenites (in this case, "racist" in a wider sense, such as culture, religion and such) but he needed the bodies and the rest is history.
The factors in the 1970's and 1980's were many, varied and complex and certainly all I know is what I read. But one factor is rather self-evident: they still wanted "bodies" and from where would they get the "most bang for the buck". In those terms, the USSR seemed like a much better bet than Ethiopia. That may be rather mercenary, but hardly unusual in politics (like the now famous Henry Kissinger remark about it not being an American concern if the Soviet Union sent its Jews to the gas chambers.)
As an aside, just because you mentioned it, I don't know where "his wife said so as did Begin's people" made the statement, but do you expect people to believe them? Dayan's marriage was hardly stellar and the accusations and name-calling between Begin's people and the leftists (in both directions) cannot be taken as evidence of anything more than the rivalry between them.
Posted by: george | June 30, 2011 at 07:45 AM
Too close- maybe one day, if only Black people would stop doing drugs and gang banging with their baby mommas, African Americans can be someone...maybe even be president one day...Oh wait-a Black person is President! And a Black person was Secretary of State too. You are pretty racist and watch too much Springer!
Posted by: mimi | July 02, 2011 at 08:04 PM