Women's Cellphone Ban, Williamsburg

“Can you imagine your grandmother with a cell phone on the streets or on a bus? Where did our ingrained shame and modesty of the Jewish daughter disappear to? On the behest of the Jewish leaders is forbidden for a Jewish daughter to talk on a cell phone on the streets or on a bus!”

On the right side of the poster, which found on streets and in the synagogues of Williamsburg, Brooklyn this Shabbat, is a letter signed by the rabbis of the ultra-Orthodox beit din (religious court) of Eida Charedis (of Mea Shea’arim, Jerusalem) along with the signature of ultra-Orthodox Rabbi Shmuel HaLevi Wosner of Bnei Brak endorsing the ban:

Closeup of the letter and signatures:

Comments

[steve]

Women's Cellphone Ban

It's like telling a fish it's not allowed to swim. I would welcome such a ban in my home. It would save me about $120 a month in. Too bad we don't live in Willy B., lol.

[Shlomo]

I am not ashamed of my Jewish daughter nor should they be

[steve]

jesus fcking christ

[phony messiah]

The "zaide also did not have a cell phone. So why only the women???

[steve]

To the "steve" at 10:49pm, please read rule #3:

3. Do not use anyone else's name or alias.

[Rachel]

Omg what next women can't breath in public the air is being polluted

[Rochel]

It is getting more and more Taliban-like.

Is she allowed to talk to her friends or children in public??

[/steve/]

chill twin, i didn't notice you name

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to the Stones:

Under my ban
The girl who once had a phone
Under my ban
The girl who once texted on her own

It's plain to see
The tzniyus in the clothes she wears
Down to me, the chumra stands,
She's under my ban

Ain't it the emes, Abe?

Under my ban
The maideleh who's just said "oy vey"
Under my ban
A girl who has just changed her ways

It's down to me, nu, it is
The way she does just what she's told
Down to me, the chumra stands
She's under my ban
Oy, oy, say it's halacha

Under my ban
A shtetl refugee of a girl
Under my ban
She's the subjugated "schvartze" of the world [nod to John Lennon]

It's down to me
The way she can't talk on a cell phone
Down to me, the change is frum,
She's under my ban
Oy, take it easy bubbleh
Yeah

It's down to me, so nu?
The way she can't talk on a cellphone
Down to me, the change is frum,
She's under my ban
Yeah, it feels so frum

Under my ban
Her thoughts are just kept to herself
Under my ban, well I
I can still call up someone else

It's down to me, oy that's what I said
The way she can't talk on a cell phone
Down to me, the change is frum,
She's under my ban
Say, it's halacha.

Say it's ha...
Say it's ha...

Take it easy bubbeleh
Take it easy bubbeleh
Feels alright
Take it, take it easy bubbeleh.

[Chaim Heller]

My Grandmother has a cellphone, she is in her 90's and she has been living in Williamsburg for about 60 years!

[dimlat]

Anyone notice that quite a few of the "signatories" are no longer alive?! Unless this is a rehash of quite an old ban , also no date provided, methinks something isn't quite kosher!

[dimlat]

Scrub that, just noticed that its dated, 1990!!

[uncle sam]

Since when are Jews suppose to act like Muslims?

[maven]

They're smart, this way their wives can't call them when they are sneaking off to do things they shouldn't be doing...

[Steve's Neighbor's Cousin]

It's actually dated Year 2000.

That's 11 years ago. so to all those who are getting nervous that the Taliban is taking over, nothing of the sort is happening. The bans haven't changed at all.

Just like supposedly Obama hasn't changed US policy.

So chill everyone.

[HESHY]

You secular freier losers,you got no chance against the organized chareidi masses. You can kvetch your heads off while in Brooklyn tens of thousands are dancing on the streets along with their brothers in meron. The reform and conservative and radical modern orthodox are losing membership fast while the chareidim are opening a new yeshiva building for each of their groups every year.

[Shmarya]

Churning out 8 or more children per family, children who are often illiterate as adults, is not exactly proof of success.

[HESHY]

what is called success? Kids from secular homes who dont know much about their own religion and walk around confused about the purpose of life. Where are the masses of youth from the secular camps going. Getting intermarried or not marrying and living lives of lonliness and confusion.

[Chaim Heller]

Heshy, with the maxed out government debt and chronic defecits how long do you think programs like Section 8, welfare and food stamps will continue?

Once these programs end, that is the END of "success" in the Haredi communities..

[Shmarya]

what is called success? Kids from secular homes who dont know much about their own religion and walk around confused about the purpose of life. Where are the masses of youth from the secular camps going. Getting intermarried or not marrying and living lives of lonliness and confusion.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 01:48 AM

Kids who know the world is NOT 6,000 years old because they know the SCIENCE that shows that.

Kids who can read and write fluently in the language of their home countries.

Kids who contribute to society by paying taxes, and by doing jobs that help society at large.

Kids who grow up to heal the sick and who create and design products that help people's lives be safer and easier.

Kids who know that Judaism's religion is largely bronze age superstition combined with Babylonian superstition from the 8th century CE, but who also know that Jews are a people and following bronze age superstition is not the be all and end all of Jewish identity.

Kids who grow up to be adults who are self-supporting, rather than adults who depend on charity because they do not have the skills necessary to find good jobs in the modern world.

In other words, kids who do not grow up to be Heshy.

[HESHY]

If America runs out of funds to support low income families,that means millions of blacks will be evicted into the streets with no apartments or food. It would never happen. The Chareidim are a very small percentage of the public welfare system compared to any other minority. Thats like the liberal secular Jew who thinks by not having a child she will prevent overpopulation. And as far as Chareidim in Israel there is plenty of money being poured in worldwide into Israeli coffers from all major governments in the world.

[HESHY]

The world is 5771 years old now not 6000.
I feel sorry when I see secular kids who consider their parents a bunch of frauds when they insist they marry a Jewish mate. They argue that why marry a Jew if all people are equal.Why not marry a non jew. If you say Judaism is not real so why keep kosher,the Sabbath or Rosh hashona. If reform clergy claim that Judaism is not Divine than why fast on yom kippur even a half a day. Why mislead your people into something you dont believe yourself.

[Shmarya]

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 02:09 AM

You see Heshy, you don't comprehend what you read and your mind does not work well.

The world is not 5771 years old or 6000 years old – it is billions of years old.

As for the rest of your gibberish, try to process:

Being a Jew means being part of the Jewish N-A-T-I-O-N.

It does not automatically include – nor must it include – following Bronze Age superstitions.

Got that?

[HESHY]

Why then according to your reasoning if following bronze age superstition cant you eat lobsters or pork. Why do reform female clergy bother to wear a yarmulka on their heads. Why do reform parents get sick when their children intermarry. Why do you close your blog for Jewish holidays, after all its old wise tales. Why must the world be billions of years old because some science fiction evolutionists decided so.

[Shmarya]

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 02:26 AM

Your questions are idiotic, Heshy, and the prove my point.

Many secular Jews do eat lobster and pork and other biblically forbidden foods.

The Reform Movement is not secular. Their clergy who do wear yarmulkes do so because it is considered to be a sign of a religious leader.

Many Reform parents do not mind at all when their children intermarry; those that do mind often do so because of the concept of Jewish peoplehood or nationhood, and N-O-T because of any religious prohibition.

I close my blog on Jewish holidays because many of my readers can't respond to comments and posts then because of those holidays.

The world is billions of years old because many different scientific disciplines show that it is.

[ruthie]

HESHY...people like you make me embarrassed to be jewish.
and i am very very very proud of my son....majoring in pre-med at a leading university. where he is super active in sports and every jewish club there is.
you probably look more stupid than you really are.
i would have died if a child of mine ever married out of the jewish faith...since living in monsey....i don't feel that anymore...and that's sad....i see the lying, stealing, cheating that goes on here....it's a joke...
so they raise their kids to apply for food stamps AS A WEDDING PRESENT. i know a very nice woman who just had her 10th baby in a two room apartment...now this woman deserves food stamps...but who the hell told her to have so many kids???
will they be educated...well, enough to fill out a form for social services...so sad....
such a waste....
i hate monsey.....
it took my religion away....being jewish, the way i was raised, was COMPLETELY different. it was honor and...oh heshy...you wouldn't understand.

[HESHY]

Yes many reform secular Jews do eat lobster,granted. But many many conservative secular Jews dont eat pork or lobster and some eat kosher at home only. What puzzles me is why involve yourself in a restrictive movement if you dont believe its Divine. Why do you need a Jewish peoplehood or nationhood when you can easily be an American. Why knock yourself out even dealing with a religious order if you think its all false. I understand reform or conservative clergy get a salary so they play a religious role just as a hollywood star needs to for their living. But unless you have strong faith and your love for G-d is intense enough to make you want to study Torah every free moment,it makes sense.

[HESHY]

As far as the age of the universe there are numerous scientists who dont believe that it is billions of years old.Yes the universe was created looking old but that does not mean it is old. Adam on his first day of life looked like a full grown adult of twenty years. Thats how he was created but he was really one day old. To Ruthie I dont know much about monsey as I live in Brooklyn but you can find good and bad all over. My belief in a Creator is just following politics and seeing Israel facing hundreds of millions of enemies and surviving. And its not the army because the arabs have armies as well. And if ten million arabs marched unarmed into Israels borders,there is not much that could be done unless you want to carpet bomb 10 million unarmed people. Its G-ds watching over us that we survived 2000 years under the christians and still kept our faith. Yes there are corrupt individuals but there are many unsong heroes among us.

[Shmarya]

Not believing the Torah is divine does not automatically mean that you don't believe in G-d.

And choosing to follow a few Bronze Age superstitions and taboos does not have to be predicated on belief in God.

And being Reform or Conservative is no the same as being secular.

[Shmarya]

As far as the age of the universe there are numerous scientists who dont believe that it is billions of years old.Yes the universe was created looking old but that does not mean it is old.…

Heshy,

There are N-O-T "numerous" scientists who believe the world 5771 years old.

The number of scientists who know the world is billions of years old as opposed to scientists who have faith the world is 5771 years old (or approximately 6000 years old) is thousands to one.

As for the world being created to look old, with fossils buried in the ground for us to later find, etc. – this is N-O-T a Jewish concept.

There is no basis in Judaism for this.

In fact, that idea was first proposed by a Christian apologist named Gosse in the mid-1800s and was, even in his time, rejected by almost all religious leaders, including rabbis.

[HESHY]

So why would someone in their right mind starve themselves on yom kippur and suffer if they dont even believe in a Divine or that it was a command from the Creator. And if you dont believe the Torah is divine than why follow some of its rules especially the ones secular conservative jews try to follow,be it fasting yom kippur or limiting their marriage prospects to Jews only.Why suffer for something that you dont have any belief in,UNLESS YOU ENJOY TORTURE.

[Shmarya]

People who do not believe the Torah is divine can still believe it has important moral teachings, and can still choose to follow some of its laws and customs if they find them meaningful.

As I noted twice above, choosing to only marry another Jew can be done for nationalistic reasons. It does not have to be done for religious reasons.

[HESHY]

Read Rabbi Avigdor Millers book called REJOICE O YOUTH on evolution. If Adam was not created full grown he could not eat the fruit on his first day on this world. Babies one day old cannot eat a fruit. The background and ancient looking backdrops for all of the animals was created with them at the same time. The rocks did not hang around millions of years waiting for the bears to get created.

[Shmarya]

Read Rabbi Avigdor Millers book…

No, Heshy, you read. Read the reams of peer reviewed scientific evidence that proves that evolution exists and that the universe is billions of years old.

Avigdor Miller was a racist, and a loudmouthed shoteh who knew N-O-T-H-I-N-G about science and even less about intellectual honesty and truth.

[HESHY]

Why would fasting on yom kippur have meaning if you dont believe in a Creator. I could see moral laws like avoiding murder or stealing but why starve yourselve.

[Shmarya]

Why would fasting on yom kippur have meaning if you dont believe in a Creator. I could see moral laws like avoiding murder or stealing but why starve yourselve.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:30 AM

Are you saying you are ignorant of the moral and ethical reasons we fast cited by many Rishonim?

Or are you saying you don't believe in those reasons?

[HESHY]

Evolution exists where? I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE TIGER OR CAMEL give birth to a human baby or half human baby. Apes give birth to apes and chickens to chickens. Oh says the evolutionist,it takes billions of years. But where are the masses of bears walking around with human heads or human legs. There should be millions who are in the billion year process of shedding their animal outfits and turning human. What a sight to behold. And the fish keep being fish and the birds stay birds. And if we follow the logic of evolutionists we are all family with the apes. We need to call 911 the next time our cousin ape gets cut up in a college lab experiment.

[HESHY]

In fact it was Hitler and his racist doctors who were fanatical believers in Darwins evolution. They knew about science after all look how cultured and civilized they were in experimenting with Jewish babies.

[Shmarya]

Heshy, you don't understand evolution.

Why don't you study it before you reject it? Especially before you reject it with ignorance?

[Shmarya]

In fact it was Hitler and his racist doctors who were fanatical believers in Darwins evolution. They knew about science after all look how cultured and civilized they were in experimenting with Jewish babies.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:43 AM

Without getting into the reasons that your version of history is incorrect, answer the following question:

Nazis were fanatic believers that a week is seven 24 hour days long, even though many other systems of counting the divisions in the yearly cycle exist.

Does that mean that the seven day week is false?

[HESHY]

Divisions in the yearly cycles have a source. The monthly cycle is luner.The yearly cycle is solar. The seven day week has nothing to do with monthly or yearly cycles. It is a miracle that the non jewish world adopted the seven day week because it originates from our Torah.

[Shmarya]

Start your reading here, Heshy:

http://evolution.berkeley.edu/evolibrary/article/evo_01

[ruthie]

heshy...i certainly do not need your permission to allow me to be jewish....i don't need you to spell it out. you want to learn torah all day...i think that's wonderful....but you don't know anything heshy.
be a good little boy and go fress.

[Shmarya]

The seven day week has nothing to do with monthly or yearly cycles. It is a miracle that the non jewish world adopted the seven day week because it originates from our Torah.

You didn't answe my question.

Past that, the seven day week was a Levant thing that existed before the Torah was purportedly given.

In fact, it existed before the patriarch supposedly lived.

[HESHY]

Did you know that 4100 years ago when the great flood in Noachs time destroyed the world,it states that G-d opened the vents beneath the depth of the oceans. Why is it only us Jews knew of these vents. It was not until 1977 that two scientist discovered the first vents deep below the ocean,two miles below. So you see only the Creator of the universe was aware of these vents for Him to write it in his Torah. The Torah tells us that hot water gushed out and together with the rain above destroyed the earth. Well guess what? The water at these vents is very hot .Read about it on your internet google. See the types of incredible sea creatures found living there.

[ruthie]

ones secular conservative jews try to follow,be it fasting yom kippur or limiting their marriage prospects to Jews only.Why suffer for something that you dont have any belief in,UNLESS YOU ENJOY TORTURE.
HESHY
interesting how you feel yom kippur is torture. when i feel like fasting on yom kippur, it's not torture...it's part of me being jewish and following what my parents did...but they fasted every yom kippur.
even in the camps.
i don't fast every yom kippur...g-d is smart....i kinda wink at him and say remember the camps, g-d...we did enough fasting for you you idiot.
but i like g-d and he likes me.
no problem.
but it's sad that as a religious man you think of yom kippur as torture....it's a wonderful day....let's one start all over....
a happy day. why be scared? don't you believe in g-d's plan?
i feel sorry for you heshy...you sound like a nice guy, stupid, but nice.

[HESHY]

The Torah begins that G-d created the world in six days and stopped creating on the Sabbath. Its in the beginning of the Torah.
As far as the giving of the Torah ,yes it was later. But the Torah is the blueprint of the universe and it existed 2000 years before the creation of the universe. The Torah exists of letters and how those letters are formed is how we humans act. Thats how the order of words fell into place as the stories of Abraham etc took place.Free choice was maintained and it only formed on peoples choices,good or bad.

[Shmarya]

The Torah begins that G-d created the world in six days and stopped creating on the Sabbath. Its in the beginning of the Torah.
As far as the giving of the Torah ,yes it was later. But the Torah is the blueprint of the universe and it existed 2000 years before the creation of the universe. The Torah exists of letters and how those letters are formed is how we humans act. Thats how the order of words fell into place as the stories of Abraham etc took place.Free choice was maintained and it only formed on peoples choices,good or bad.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 04:10 AM

Please.

The Torah was given just over 3300 years ago, and was promptly forgotten by most Jews.

But the point, Heshy, is that the Torah's seven day week came long *after* a huge chunk of the Middle East followed a seven day week.

[HESHY]

To Ruthie at least Im nice and stupid,its better than being rude and smart.

[Shmarya]

Heshy,

You don't answer the questions posed to you.

Is that because you have no answers?

[A. Nuran]

Shmarya, could you be convinced to thump this guy with Ban Hammer?

[seymour]

Divisions in the yearly cycles have a source. The monthly cycle is luner.The yearly cycle is solar. The seven day week has nothing to do with monthly or yearly cycles. It is a miracle that the non jewish world adopted the seven day week because it originates from our Torah.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:56 AM

bull.

this is the old thinking of cheredeim they do not go and learn history.

To them it is better not to know not to find out anything this why their believe system is never challenged and they can delude themselves that many things that one find in the torah was originated their when is was not.

Example one just need to spens a few seconds in a searn engine for Mesopotamia

Moses baby story. that was a common story way before the Torah was written
Flood story again repeat
cleaning ones house of chumatz a common practice and that time it was a new harvest thing
Parts of shimos was copied from the codes of Hammurabi
In addition to common practice of that toime period was that story tellers went around and told big tails and everyone knew is was not to be taken as factual ., The stories where just allegories.

Most likely that is how the torah was looked at for the first few hundred years

In addition the Jesus story is also a rehashed story with all the facts and amazingly the same name.

God would not have been such a lousy editor

one must suspend reality when reading the torah.

In addition there is no backup to nay of the wonders that the torah mentions.

for example many meforshem say that the water split not only at the sea but all over the world one would think some else would have recorded such a phenomena and many other great miracle that the torah mentions no one else recorded such things

also if one studies history many does-where common practice and many don't where common practices
another words nothing new just copies and pasted from other cultures and then hundreds of years later it became gods word

[Isa]

HESHY

Was the original Ten Commandments written in today's script or was it written in a totally different script that looked like old Phoenician?
ISA

[seymour]

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 02:09 AM

You see Heshy, you don't comprehend what you read and your mind does not work well.

The world is not 5771 years old or 6000 years old – it is billions of years old.

As for the rest of your gibberish, try to process:

Being a Jew means being part of the Jewish N-A-T-I-O-N.

It does not automatically include – nor must it include – following Bronze Age superstitions.

Got that?

Posted by: Shmarya | May 22, 2011 at 02:18 AM

many Frenchmen want to marry french woman many Italians want to marry Italian

are they frauds to.

The chrediem cannot process and idea not given to their rebbie

independent thought is a felony.

neither can they think or put themselves in other people shoe and say Oh I see that makes sense they do not have that capacity

they only think being Jews is being FRUm
there is nothing else it simply does not exists

[seymour]

In fact it was Hitler and his racist doctors who were fanatical believers in Darwins evolution. They knew about science after all look how cultured and civilized they were in experimenting with Jewish babies.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:43 AM

Without getting into the reasons that your version of history is incorrect, answer the following question:

Nazis were fanatic believers that a week is seven 24 hour days long, even though many other systems of counting the divisions in the yearly cycle exist.

Does that mean that the seven day week is false?

Posted by: Shmarya | May 22, 2011 at 03:48 AM

Nazis where also fanatic only to marry within their race and people with good yichis

You thinking is like this

cars are bad because some people us it to run people over

[Gefilte Fish]

Wow! Look how far off topic this has gone!

The cell phone ban (for women only) has its basis in the far lunatic fringe of Judaism. These "Rabbis" see conspiracies and anti-Semitism around every corner, and they use extreme fear tactics to get their good little soldiers, like HESHY, to toe the line. Pretty much like the Nazis.

P.S. There are plenty of Jews who call themselves frum who then surreptitiously eat lobster, etc., are mechalel Shabbat in private, and date non-Jews, but they spend an awful lot of energy hiding the facts from others out of fear.

[Jeff]

There's no arguing with this level of delusion. He's a compendium of all of our cliches about them.

Heshy, everything you think you know about reality is wrong. Shmarya's done an excellent job in trying to correct your misconceptions. Listen to him. The answers to all of your questions are available online and in libraries - all you have to do is look them up.

Of course, you won't, because it would require you to accept that all of the authority figures in your life - your parents, teachers, rebbaim - are wrong as well, and I doubt you could handle that.

[Gevezener Chusid]

actually I wish they would ban public cellphone use for everybody. It would make for safer streets, more pleasant restaurants, stores, and libraries, and would diminish the amount of idle gossip and lashon hara exponentially.

This idiocy seems purely sexist. period.

[Gevezener Chusid]

Avigdor Miller was a racist, and a loudmouthed shoteh who knew N-O-T-H-I-N-G about science and even less about intellectual honesty and truth.

AMEN to that.

[Critical minyan]

Not enforceable. The women won't listen.

[Proton Soup]

this has gone on long enough. it's time to send the US DOJ down there to have a little heart-to-heart about the Constitution and civil rights.

[HESHY]

SO GOOD MORNING TO YOU ALL .iLL JUST MAKE ONE COMMENT BEFORE i LEAVE TO SHUL NOW. How many of you have mezzuzahs on your doors,avoid eating pork or lobsters,fast on yom kippur,plan to get buried instead of cremated,and strive to marry a jew or your children marry jews. Why waste your money energy and time if you dont believe the Torah is Divine. If you believe its copys of other sources clipped together why knock yourself out? WHY buy a mezzuzah or passover food or any other item of un needed expense? SO MANY OF YOU ARE LEADING A LIFE OF CONTRADICTIONS ONLY FOOLING YOURSELVES. If I did not believe in the Torah being Hashems book I would not do anything just as I dont folow Indian traditions or dont celebrate Islamic traditions or christian rituals. Be honest about yourselves. If yu reject it due to a negative experience with a religious person its not an excuse. Many people have had negative experiences in life and yet learn to realize not all of life is negatie. If you got mugged by a black guy would you close your doors to every black person who came to your door to service your needs.Would you close the door to a cable technition because hes black or to a nurse who is black or a mailman who is black. Of course not,you realize there are good and bad in all people and good and bad in all professions be they doctors,lawyers,plumbers, etc. The purpose of life is to gain refined character for our neshomas. with that I bid you farewell as I go to shul to daven Lag bomer. Learn Torah and be happy.

[seymour]

Read Rabbi Avigdor Millers book called REJOICE O YOUTH on evolution. If Adam was not created full grown he could not eat the fruit on his first day on this world. Babies one day old cannot eat a fruit. The background and ancient looking backdrops for all of the animals was created with them at the same time. The rocks did not hang around millions of years waiting for the bears to get created.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:24 AM

did miller also say that adam and eve children committed incest to continue humanity or did he leave that out

[ruthie]

heshy...so haredi...bringing up the race card. classic!
again, i do not need you to tell me how to be jewish...unlike you heshy ..you need someone to tell you which shoe to put on first...the right heshy, then you tie the left, then return to the right shoe and tie that one. now almost everything is thought out for you.
how dare you heshy...make being jewish about mezzuzahs (i like mezzuzahs...old habit), love non kosher food but like kosher very much too, sometimes fast on yom kippur and sometimes i have a big sandwich on yom kipper and share a small laugh with g-d, cremated...ugh!, marry only a jew...i wish...but have met too many jews who are rotten to the core and too many non jews who are angels. but like you said, the only thing that made sense...good and bad in all.
have a very nice lag bomer heshy. but do broaden your mind a bit....

[maven]

Heshy, I understand you feel that you read Avigdor Miller and now you can upschlug the whole world and be mekarev people with your "arguments".
The fact is, that the only reason you believe as you do is because that's the community you were born into. If you were born into another religion you'd be saying the same thing for that religion. At least those who have experience of the surrounding world and choose to keep parts of Torah do it consciously.

[maven]

Oh, and by the way, you should probably actually go to school, you would learn that no one cuts up primates in college labs.

[william e emba]

They've banned women from using cell phones in public? Why didn't they ban everybody? Sheesh, what a bunch of useless turkeys.

Point of historical fact, not that I believe Heshy seems to have an interest in truth or honesty: Hitler and the Nazis were very anti-Darwin. Hitler in fact banned Origin of the Species.

[Jay]

Heshy is a perfect example of the xenophobic racist superstious drivel taught in the ultra-ortho world. Congratulations Heshy, you've managed to validate the skepticism of every poster you addressed.

[Max Blumenthal]

Heshy, thanks for your comments.

You have made me think.

I hold some very deep animosities towards religious people, but you've made me realize that just as I would not hold all black people negatively for what one black person does, I should treat religious people the same.

Your comments about evolution are eye-opening. You are so right, I don't know why I never thought of it that way. Where are all the semi-humans in the evolutionary stages?

Thanks Heshy!

[Shmarya]

Choose one name and post under that name only, 'Max,' or I'll ban you and delete your comments.

Got that?

[Yochanan Lavie]

At least those who have experience of the surrounding world and choose to keep parts of Torah do it consciously.

Posted by: maven | May 22, 2011 at 09:13 AM

Ha-Maven yavin!

Now, on to the real important issue- what did people think of my parody? (/humor).

[WoolSilkCotton]

YL, your parody is a masterpiece that perhaps can only be fully appreciated by those of us Stones fans who remember the contention this song's lyrics caused with the Women's Movement in 1966.

It was also an incredible and unique work of musical arrangement with innovative instrumental techniques from Bill Wyman, Brian Jones (OBM), Keith, and Charlie.

The song's connection to the Altamont incident adds to its epic but haunted place in rock history.

Notice the girls in the audience swooning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxarN-c-Z6U&feature=related

BTW, I loved the subtle reference to the John Lennon song; how poignant for the thread's topic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5lMxWWK218

[Yochanan Lavie]

Thanks, WSC.

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? I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE TIGER OR CAMEL give birth to a human baby or half human baby.....Posted by: HESHY

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA....thanks for the jokes heshy.

i have a good one for you. i can disprove the torah because i dont see marshmallow topped ice-cream sundaes falling from the sky each day at 3 o'clock. and where is the promised beanstalk with which i can climb up to play poker with god as the torah insists?

isnt this fun?

[seymour]

Evolution exists where? I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE TIGER OR CAMEL give birth to a human baby or half human baby. Apes give birth to apes and chickens to chickens. Oh says the evolutionist,it takes billions of years. But where are the masses of bears walking around with human heads or human legs. There should be millions who are in the billion year process of shedding their animal outfits and turning human. What a sight to behold. And the fish keep being fish and the birds stay birds. And if we follow the logic of evolutionists we are all family with the apes. We need to call 911 the next time our cousin ape gets cut up in a college lab experiment.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:40 AM

you can see evolution right before eue today if you look hard enough.

viruses mutate all the time and that is why they become persistent to drugs

[Rochel]

Yochanan Lavie, I cannot get the song (with your words) out of my head! :) You outdid yourself, maybe one of your best, and it keeps making me chuckle.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Thanks, Rochel.

[Michelle]

B"H

Who TALKS on a cell phone these days???? I text EVERYTHING.

[A. Nuran]

Michelle, it goes without saying that that is assur. Women shouldn't learn to read and write.

[A. Nuran]

Max writes:
Your comments about evolution are eye-opening. You are so right, I don't know why I never thought of it that way. Where are all the semi-humans in the evolutionary stages?

I thank Heshy for providing at least one example of a partially developed sub-human.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Heshy,
How does this grab ya?
http://www.skewsme.com/twoheadedbaby.html

Take a look at the size of humans over the past 100 years. We are already different than 100 years ago.

There is only one chromosome that separates you from a gorilla. It only took one small step for a gorilla to become a human. The same step that caused these children to be born with an extra head. I work in a hospital. I have seen babies born like this. It is rare, but it does happen.

Read Darwin's book. Are you allowed to? Are you afraid to? What might happen if you did read it?

[WoolSilkCotton]

Michelle, LOL!

In a few years, today's cell phone will be obsolete. Watch Seinfeld episodes, and look at the phone he is using in his apartment. His episode about cell phones is funny and sad, when you hear him discussing 'cellphone etiquette'.

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@: Shmarya | May 22, 2011 at 01:55 AM -

nice post.

If yu reject it due to a negative experience with a religious person its not an excuse..Posted by: HESHY

so i guess you rejected atheism because of a bad experience with a non-believer.

The purpose of life is to gain refined character for our neshomas.

if thats true, youre failing miserably.

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heshy the scientist-

please help me. i have heard people say that a newborn infant girl will one day become a grandmother. but i have never seen a half-infant, half-grandmother human.
can you clear this up ? are they all lying seculars?

[Deremes]

heshy:

If you are not well versed in this subject,don't get into it.
Even if you know well,still you wont convince anyone who is close minded and made up their mind.
Once an apikoras,always an apikoras.

Vda Ma Shatoshiv was said for a purpose.

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heshy:

If you are not well versed in this subject,don't get into it.

NOT well versed??? heshy ???? how dare you!!! in his neighborhood they call him "heshy darwin".

[WoolSilkCotton]

Deremes, if you believe in something, you should be able to explain it in such a way that another person will at least see that your position has some credibility, even if they decide not to agree with you.

If Heshy is not well versed in a subject which is a core teaching of his beliefs, he should go back and study more. Is it wrong if he also decides to read and study other viewpoints?

Who is really closed minded here? I am willing to study the Torah. Are you willing to read Darwin's book?

Refusing to talk with someone who doesn't agree with your position is usually not a sign of being open minded.

[FirstGenerationBavarianAmerican]

Yochanan:

You outdid yourself with your latest song parody. I can't stop laughting!

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WSC-

i think the best book on evolution in terms of its accessibility to the layman is "Why Evolution Is True" -by jerry coyne.

[WoolSilkCotton]

APC, thanks.

The PBS video series, now on YouTube, may be good for those who are not allowed by their rabbis to visit a library.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RgdQfzQUo7Q

[Deremes]

Posted by: WoolSilkCotton | May 22, 2011 at 01:36 PM

I am not doing any outreach to convince people of the Jewish beliefs.

Chabad is doing outreach and when they encounter someone who was a religious Jew but left and is questioning everything about Judaism,it is upon them to try to convince.

If am willing or not to read Darwins book or any other books of apikorism,is not the issue.Its not allowed to read.
And this kept Judaism alive for all those years.
Those plain folks who read or digged in this subject,whenever Jews had a problem with the church and had a way out by converting to Christianity,they did so and in the end they disintegrated spiritually.

Those who you might call stupid and naive and believed all their Judaism because their parents told them so even they couldn't "proof" it,didn't convert to Christianity and perished in the auto de fe etc.
By being naive is guaranteed Judaism.

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WSC- thanks, i've seen part but i'm going to try to get to it all soon. its ironic that the alias used by the one who uploaded it to you tube is "Why Evolution Is True".

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: Deremes -

thats the spirit! more truth repellent spray.

[A. Nuran]

Any Aished frumsters who want to roll up their sleeves and refute the heathens should head over to the talk.origins faq and dig in. They've been eating Creationist arguments for breakfast for over twenty years and can provide any number of wonderful, clear introductions to the evidence in favor of science over superstition.

[alwaysright]

Posted by: Deremes | May 22, 2011 at 02:16 PM

Well said. the reason ur afraid to read, is because it will educate you and you will see the light. All them good people who read, have realized the truth, and no longer cared for the stupid religious superstition. Thats the reason they banned you from reading anything, because they have good reason to be afraid. They know their teaching is false, and has to be sheltered at all costs

[David]

Evolution exists where? I HAVE YET TO SEE ONE TIGER OR CAMEL give birth to a human baby or half human baby. Apes give birth to apes and chickens to chickens. Oh says the evolutionist,it takes billions of years. But where are the masses of bears walking around with human heads or human legs.

Posted by: HESHY | May 22, 2011 at 03:40 AM

Heshy, this is not how evolution works. Its sad that you have been deprived of the education that would allow you to know this.

[WoolSilkCotton]

Deremes, how sad and weak is the foundation of your version of Judaism, when a simply book of science observations made over 100 years ago, could lead all religious Jews away from being orthodox, just by reading it, even if you decide not to agree with it?

[Deremes]

WSC,call it sad but its not my version of Judaism.
By reading stuff like these,it may lead some or many away from being Jewish.
Those who don't leave or wont even agree with what they read,skeptical for sure they become.And becoming skeptic is enough reason for not to read.

[Dave]

@Maven, I used to live on North 4th st and Bedford in the Williamsbug North Side. At that time is was a junkie, crack whore hangout. I would look out my bedroom window and see the crack whores being picked up by their best customers, Heredi sheeple and Rabbis every single day. I shot dozens of them with a paint ball gun I had. If I'm lying, I'm dying. And I'm still here to type this last sentence. Wish I videotaped them.

[HESHY]

Im back from a day of learning and celebrating this great Lag Bomer day. The reason these frier latch on to the silly science fiction fantasy known as evolution is to justify their non Torah behavior. If there is a Creator and there is a day of judgement,its difficult for them to live without guilt. So they pour blinders on their eyes and try to reasure each other how the world just evoved by itself. If thats the case than someone like Hitler can take a sweet poisioned pill and poof,sleep away in peace after chopping up a million and a half babies. But our TORAH TELLS US = AYIN ROAH THE EYE SEES,VEOIZAN SHOMAS AND THE EAR HEARS, WHAT EYES AND WHAT EARS laughed the heretics of a hundred years ago. But today G-d is showing us that on one little tiny disc,your whole life can be recorded. Its not that we are smarter than the previous generations,we are less in our faith.So the Almighty sends new discoveries to show us how everything can be recorded. Incredible DNA on every strand of hair. As a Jew who spent the last 40 years as a Jewish activist I have seen the outside world since I was a kid. I fought the neo nazis,street gangs,missionaries,cults,arab radicals as well as fighting on behalf of Torah in the land of Israel and yes we are the chosen people. Ask yourself one question....There are only 5.5 million Jews in Israel and yet the UN mentions Israel most. Why? dont tell me Jews are rich or smart. There are plenty of Jews not rich and not smart and there are alot richer arabs and smarter arabs. Its only one reason. We are Hashems only child. G-d is obssesed with every Jew more than a man can love a woman or a parent a child. When you see the fact that we are alive as Jews despite the two greatest empires who have crumbbled in our times. Nazi Europe and Communist Russia are dead. We Jews travel on their airports and pray as their former leaders Hitler and Stolin eat their hearts out from the deep pits of hell. I RECALL IN 1996 ON MY FIRST VISIT TO URAINE STOPING OFF IN GERMANY AND DAVENING AT THE AIRPORT ALONG WITH HUNDREDS OF OTHER JEWS,AS THE Germans stared in disbelief. And a few hours later praying mincha in Kiev airport in the open yelling kedusha. Lets wake up our slumbering great souls and stop fooling ourselves from the superficial outside hollywood world. I still have a blog thats a little on the wild side IF YOU GOOGLE Heshys house.blogspot.com Thanks for listening you all.