Neturei Karta Rabbis In Iran For 'Anti-Terrorism' Conference

The rabbis, Yisroel Dovid Weiss and Yeshaye Rosenberg, attended an International conference on Global Alliance against Terrorism for a Just Peace in Tehran – on Shabbat.

 

Neturei Karta rabbis in Iran for anti-terrorism conference
 
(REUTERS) – US Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss, of the organization Jews United Against Zionism, also known as Naturei Karta, along with Canadian Rabbi Yeshaye Rosenberg attended an International conference on Global Alliance against Terrorism for a Just Peace in Tehran on Saturday.

Weiss and Rosenberg spoke with clerics and other Iranian officials during the conference. The rabbis attended the conference, despite it taking place on Shabbat.

Earlier this month, dozens of members of the extremist anti-Zionist group gathered at Kikar Shabbat, in the ultra-Orthodox Mea She'arim/Geula neighborhood, to burn an Israeli flag as a provocation during the two-minute siren marking Holocaust Remembrance Day at 10 a.m. on Monday.

Around 15 news photographers came to document the event, according to reports, though the photos never materialized when bystanders wrestled the flag away from the Neturei Karta and prevented them from burning it.

Melanie Lidman of the Jeruslaem Post contributed to this report.

[Hat Tip: Seymour.]

Comments

[Dr. Dave]

the organization Jews United Against Zionism

Why not just call them by a more honest name:

Jews United Against Jews

[Dave]

רשע

[moshe]

That white shreimel looks cool.

Is there a beis chabad in Iran? Probably not. You guys are just jealous of Neturei Karta.

[A. Nuran]

Traitors allied with the killers of Jews.

[Garnel Ironheart]

Is there a website where you can buy idiot-hats like those or do you have to actually go out and search for them?

[Loshon Hora]

I see this website has a similar tone to these men, it is Jews publicizing their opinions of why other Jews are bad to gentiles.
Shmaryah look yourself in the mirror. Those clowns are attention seekers, and bad people the Iranians are taking adavantage of them, and for their holy cause of attention seekers the BT Weiss [actually he never did tshuva, he just sounds liike one]they were mechalel Shaboss.
However this site is viewed by Jew & gentile in a Country where Jews are treated equal, the damage you may cause,
G-d forbid may very well be a lot worse than their damage.
To you I say Hapoisel bemumoi poisel.

[Yechiel]

Lashon Hora
The lickass German Jews that embraced and befriended the secular society were not spared by the Nazis. Shmarya may not realize it but he is provoking this great nation against the Jews. I hope and pray that the general populace understands that this is just the voice of an unhappy individual who is seeking to incite hatred and will not fall for his drivel and malarkey. However, if heaven forbid, history repeats itself, Shmarya will not be treated any better than his religious counterparts.
Just a friendly reminder.

BTW those NK meshugoyim should be a non topic.

[Yoel Mechanic]

>, the damage you may cause,
G-d forbid may very well be a lot worse than their damage.

The logic is, correct me if i'm wrong, that the Iranians could not get any worse since their animosity is already maxed out?

In any event, your analysis is interesting and has some insight and merit.

[Shmarya]

Yechiel,

Please.

I publish the truth to the best of my ability.

If you don't like the truth, if the truth makes you look bad, then attack the haredi and Orthodox rabbis who commit the crimes that I report.

They are the cause of the chillul Hashem and you know it – and halakha knows it.

Now here's the deal.

You stop lying and you stop insulting everyone you disagree with or I ban you.

You can disagree, but you have to be polite and you have to tell the truth.

Got that?

[Critical minyan]

One time I saw a group of 9 black Hebrews in times square, all in a group, antagonizing curious passerbys by claiming procatively that the puerto ricans are actually the real Jews, and the white man is the spawn of the devil. One looked at his watch, and realized it was time for mincha, but they were one man short of a minyan. Luckily, a neterui kart a rabbi came by and helped them out.

[jicky]

only 2 ? last time i think there were four or five of them

[Jeff]

The rabbis attended the conference, despite it taking place on Shabbat.

How do they rationalize it - as a case of pikuach nefesh? I can't imagine these guys care very much about that.

[Jay]

So LH and Yechiel see these scum attending a conference on shabbos, allowing their photos to be taken on shabbos and wearing a mogen dovid that's 'x'd out on their lapel, just like the 6,000,000 were forced to wear, and they attack Shmarya?

You two belong in Teheran as well, you miserable Judenraat. Jews like you appeased Nazis while other Jews died

[dlz]

Back in '89, when Khomeini died, there was a cute broadcast on Israeli television: first the told of a group from Neturei Karta who went to Iran to comfort the mourners, then they announced a conference on mental illnesses which was about to take place.

[jancsipista]

theese netureis just need one thing, horns to be a perfect beast.since they are outside of the civilized norm, no work no army service live on the work of others well maybee wild beasts is a better term like someone said of them they are like tziwildevete hayes wild animal

[seymour]

I see this website has a similar tone to these men, it is Jews publicizing their opinions of why other Jews are bad to gentiles.
Shmaryah look yourself in the mirror. Those clowns are attention seekers, and bad people the Iranians are taking adavantage of them, and for their holy cause of attention seekers the BT Weiss [actually he never did tshuva, he just sounds liike one]they were mechalel Shaboss.
However this site is viewed by Jew & gentile in a Country where Jews are treated equal, the damage you may cause,
G-d forbid may very well be a lot worse than their damage.
To you I say Hapoisel bemumoi poisel.

Posted by: Loshon Hora | May 15, 2011 at 12:55 AM

for you information praying, davening, listening to their rebbie did not help and many times actually hindered their escape.

Just reminding you.

Also, it as action that get Jew haters.
Action at this time by the ultra Orthodox. You can hid but the stories get out most of FM stories are reports from newspaper reports or public records

[Lamed Vovnik]

Ayatollahs and Neturai Karta...birds of a feather. I bet that for laughs they tried on each others headgear. They're both big on hats.

[Yochanan Lavie]

Apologies to the Beatles:

I listen for your aircraft
Coming to Iran
Listen for your aircraft
Flying to Tehran
Waiting for your knock dear
On Ayatollah's door
I soon hear it
Does it mean you don't love Jews any more?

I hear the bomb a'ticking
On the Egged Bus
See the hands a'moving
But it doesn't burst
I wonder where you are tonight
And why you're with the worst
I don't see you
Does it mean you don't love Jews me any more?

Chorus:
Don't pass me by, don't make me schrei, I'm white and blue
But the Neturei hates fellow Jews
They surely know it hurts us so
It's to Iran they go
Don't pass me by, don't make me schrei

I'm sorry that I triumphed
Life is so unfair
You were with Ahmadinejad
With peyos in your hair
You said that you'd exchange
Your striemel for a turban
I said that's bizarre, I'm praying here
That you won't be returning.

chorus 2x

[Yoel Mechanic]

Critical minyan | May 15, 2011 at 02:45 AM

This is funny; but did it really happen or is it a theoretical joke?

aside: The NK psychology is hard for me to grasp. I know someone in Israel who met one of them and claims one of their leaders is simply suffering from psychological problems. If this is true for all of them, then the issue is somewhat trivial and only of interest to medical professionals.

[Loshon Hora]

Yechiel,

Please.

I publish the truth to the best of my ability.

If you don't like the truth, if the truth makes you look bad, then attack the haredi and Orthodox rabbis who commit the crimes that I report.

They are the cause of the chillul Hashem and you know it – and halakha knows it.

Now here's the deal.

You stop lying and you stop insulting everyone you disagree with or I ban you.

You can disagree, but you have to be polite and you have to tell the truth.

Got that?

Posted by: Shmarya | May 15, 2011 at 01:51 AM

When you call a shaven guy, neckless clad, no yamulka or tzizit a Hassid, because there is a juicy piece of bad news about them.
When some lady who became a BT two years back & was convicted of crimes prior to then a Chareidi who committs a crime.
When you call someone chareidi who has been OTD for years, just grew up in a Chareidi home.
To add insult to injury you blame all Rabonim all chareidim & paint them all with one brush.
Is that not a perversion of the truth?
Is that not venting an agenda of hatred against a particular group, and making all of them guilty by association? Please expalin why that is the truth?
I have no problem with you disclosing cover-ups & helping a nirdof get justice. When you paint all chareidim and anyone who has ever in the slightest way been associated with chareidim in any form or manor, who commits a minor crime, and transgresses the eleventh commandment, "Thou Shall not get caught", and makes it to the media, you make all Chareidim sound guilty.
When you quote a NYPost article & change the headlines, to make it sound like a chareidi has committed a crime,[take last weeks story with the driving offense in NY for an example] even if the guy has nothing to with chareidim. BTW why is that not the same as doctoring a picture in the orthodox press?
Why is hate and generalization of all chareidim not racsism, when not accepting all Ethiopean Falashas as Jews,where many poskim hold they are not Jews you find to be racsism. Even R' Moshe Feinstein who seemed to hold that they definatly had a high percentage of Jews between them held they need geirus lechumrah. Yet you found the Lubavitcher Rebbes's attitude to the Falashas racsist & that caused you to leave that fold. Since then you have an issue with the Rebbe[I guess many other chareidim also have issues with him], however you are mad at all Chareidim even misnagdim of the Rebbe?
You go to depth to find the Rambam a racist,I guess the Old Testiment is also racsist, it doesn't accept certain nations as converts, only the ladies can convert, others need 3 or 10 generations, a mamzer [who didn't commit a sin of his own]cannot marry anyone they want, a Cohen cannot marry a divorcee etc.
For that matter Jews can't marry out.
How do you explain all those issues? BTW I do have an explanation, but it won't fit here.
That said how do you explain your own exaduration of who is a chareidi & of their shortcommings, and the paint all Chareidim with one brush?
Is that not hypocrisy is that not the problem you have with Chareidiom?
It may be time to look in the mirror?

[Shmarya]

When you call a shaven guy, neckless clad, no yamulka or tzizit a Hassid, because there is a juicy piece of bad news about them.…

Please.

He identifies as a hasid and he is viewed as a hasid in Crown Heights, where he lives.

The rest of what you write is your usual crap, BT's did it, blah, blah, blah.

You need mental health counseling.

[Yochanan Lavie]

The frum are very quick to throw BTs under the bus.

[Loshon Hora]

When you call a shaven guy, neckless clad, no yamulka or tzizit a Hassid, because there is a juicy piece of bad news about them.…

Please.

He identifies as a hasid and he is viewed as a hasid in Crown Heights, where he lives.

The rest of what you write is your usual crap, BT's did it, blah, blah, blah.

You need mental health counseling.

Posted by: Shmarya | May 15, 2011 at 11:08 AM

That is the way you answer,or better said you don't answer I guess the truth hurts.
You don't answer your racsism against Chareidim, nor how you doctor the NYPost article, instead you try to call me a phsyco. My questions are valid.
However this being your blog not mine I will leave it at that.
When I start my blog if I have time,[meanwhile I still have a business for a living thank G-d]BL"N I will take issue with you over there.

[Loshon Hora]

The frum are very quick to throw BTs under the bus.

Posted by: Yochanan Lavie | May 15, 2011 at 11:17 AM

The point is she committed her crimes as a secular, the became a BT & then stood trial & got convicted. Shmayah calls her a Chareidi got convicted, the crimes were not committed as a chareidi. That is the point I am trying to make.

[Shmarya]

I have never "doctored" and article.

You're liar, and you're a sick man.

[Jay]

Ironic, isn't it? The haredi would be thrilled to see reform, conservative, MO and religious zionist disappear; yet they accuse everyone else of "nazism' when they it is they themselves who advocate a form of religious 'ethnic cleansing. If it were not for the funding they receive from sentimental or gullible people in these other communities, they wouldn't stand a chance of perpetuating themselves.

[jancsipista]

jay-you hit the nail on its head, theese chareidim are nonstop shnorers mostly the chassidim here in boro park everyday they come into nonhassidishe shuls one after another no shame it makes me so angry , but on a much bigger scale they come from israel big rabbis and go to the most well to do neighborhoods where modern orthodox live and they get what they want this has been going on for decades, for the life of me i cant understand how when someone is so against youre lifestyle, theese rich multimillionaires hand them out millions its like financing youre own destruction asking for trouble, sometimes i say i have met the enemy and the enemy is us.

[seymour]

That said how do you explain your own exaduration of who is a chareidi & of their shortcommings, and the paint all Chareidim with one brush?
Is that not hypocrisy is that not the problem you have with Chareidiom?
It may be time to look in the mirror?

Posted by: Loshon Hora | May 15, 2011 at 10:58 AM

yes we can paint abroad brush of the cherideim since they never condemn their own. Never ever take responsibility for crimes committed by them If a cheredie get arrested and convicted the heriside rebbies will say we need to do thuva to some unrelated issue and say that is why the person is in jail. Like they did with smr and never ever mentioning , and saying in plain language smr is in jail because he commied fraud and this is a warning that yiddin should not commit fraud. Or, when released treat him as if the only crime he did was being Jewish and release from religious persecution like kotler did to an x con. Funnt why is it we never hear a herdie make any ban against financial shenanigans.
And even if a rebbie was convicted twice of major financial fraud he still is called a rebbie and a respected member of the community aka pinter.
From these action it proves that cherdeim are ethically challenged.
when Mirrer yeshiva can honor a person 1 day after being release d from prison that is very telling

Connecting dots is to hard for them

[Sellyourmotherforadollar]

How ironic that the name ROSENBERG keeps coming up when it comes to betraying the Jews..This NK Rosenberg, Shmaya Rosenberg, and the Rosenberg lady in the 70's (remember her?)What they all have in common is , they contribute NOTHING but trouble to society.

[alwaysright]

Loshon hora its not racism to call out chareidim right wing fundamentalists. You are all guilty by association by wearing the uniform of a hate group and believing and studying in hate filled books,and for practicing racism and women subjugation. chareidim believe that sexual assault is no worse than assault, they believe that they have to kill (given the chance) any jew who doesnt believe/ practice their stupid and hate filled rituals, they believe that black people are cursed by god to be slaves, they believe that when a women is raped she enjoys it. the only reason this hate spewing cult is not banned, is due to the ignorance of the government. Shmarya keep up the good work.

[Loshon Hora]

have never "doctored" and article.

You're liar, and you're a sick man.

Posted by: Shmarya | May 15, 2011 at 11:30 AM

Putting a new edited headline on top is not doctoring?

[Shmarya]

Putting a new edited headline on top is not doctoring?

Posted by: Loshon Hora | May 15, 2011 at 02:20 PM

Please.

I can use whatever headline I want, as long as the original headline from the publication is left intact and in place – which is what I do.

[Loshon Hora]

they believe that they have to kill (given the chance) any jew who doesnt believe/ practice their stupid and hate filled rituals, they believe that black people are cursed by god to be slaves, they believe that when a women is raped she enjoys it. the only reason this hate spewing cult is not banned, is due to the ignorance of the government. Shmarya keep up the good work.

Posted by: alwaysright | May 15, 2011 at 01:36 PM

They kill the last time I heard that the media put out a chareidi killed it wasn't a non-believing Jew it was Jesuit, because they needed the blood for the matzos. BTW that is the blood libel story.
You have now joined those blood libel people. You will find murder is much lower in Chareidi communities then almost any other, yet you saythey kill.
Let me tell you a non-Jew reading your comment, will believe it because they want to beliebve. If G-d forbid they round up the Jews in this country your own libel will be used against you.

[Loshon Hora]

Putting a new edited headline on top is not doctoring?

Posted by: Loshon Hora | May 15, 2011 at 02:20 PM

Please.

I can use whatever headline I want, as long as the original headline from the publication is left intact and in place – which is what I do.

Posted by: Shmarya | May 15, 2011 at 02:22 PM
You are changing the news & then quoting the source. In my opinion that is doctoring, it is definaty not truthful reporting.
You better have good lawyers, because someone may sue you one day, and you will have some explaining to do. BTW that is on this world, in the world to come [if you believe in it or not] you will also have some answering to do.
A little piece of advice don't get people to angry or they mmay instigate the lawsuit.

[Shmarya]

You are changing the news & then quoting the source. In my opinion that is doctoring, it is definaty not truthful reporting.

You don't know what you're talking about. I keep the story and the original headline intact, and that is all I have to do.

Your ignorance does not change that.

[jay]

Revising his own headline is not doctoring. The article, header, byline and text remain unaltered. Which is more then can be said for many Haredi publications

[alwaysright]

the reason you dont hear as much murders in the chareidi community, is due to bribing public officials and shoveling murders under the rug. I am sure if they start doing autopsies, you will be surprised what you will find. Those religious fanatics are much more violent than the general population

[alwaysright]

Let me tell you a non-Jew reading your comment, will believe it because they want to beliebve. If G-d forbid they round up the Jews in this country your own libel will be used against you.

Posted by: Loshon Hora | May 15, 2011 at 02:27 PM

They will believe it cause its the truth, and can be proven by reading the hate books. But i am glad that you dont believe you are obligated to kill, but plenty of others do actually believe that god told them to kill non believers

[Deremes]

Loshon Hora:

Dont be fooled. I am almost certain that "alwaysright" is a righteous gentile.

[Yechiel]

Shmarya
I will make an effort to respect and grant your wish to not insult those I disagree with. However, your claim that you publish the truth to the best of your ability is THE problem. Why has it become YOUR mission to destroy an entire community based on some wrongdoings of some of its members. There are bad apples everywhere and everyone has family and acquaintances who try to keep things quiet.; human nature. You chose Haredim because you have an agenda.
All I said is that the garbage you are digging up may some day hit you in the face G-d forbid.
If you were a genuine good doer with positive intentions, you would have done what I and some others in my community are doing: EDUCATE. You have not any solutions to our major issues. Your reporting is generally quite accurate and I do not deny that. It's the motive I am concerned about...
And about the truth... Your truth is someone elses lie; my truth is your lie... For the time being, let it be agreed that neither of us lie intentionally.

[Shmarya]

You're not making any sense.

People spent years trying to get haredi child molesters removed from the community but were thwarted at every turn by haredi rabbinic leadership.

The same is true of many other issues.

People's lives are being ruined and you lecture me about doing "education"?

I educated more haredi people last wee than you and all your friends will educate in a lifetime.

"…Your truth is someone elses lie; my truth is your lie... "

Please. The facts are the facts and the facts do not support you.

[jancsipista]

yechiel-if what you say is true that the chareidi population is like others in crime then what have you to fear are you afraid that yuoure statement is not true and its worse then nonjewish crime why are you fixated in always saying that shmarye is out to destroy in charidim what kind of paranoia are you suffering from, dont forget the saying the truth shall set you free.

[jancsipista]

yechiel- i forgot to say no other community is so beligerant against disclosing molesters then the chassidim there must be something in this,it means they are hiding something diabolical evil and they cant face it, this is the tragedy in the orthodox communities its the horror of horros pure evil.

[seymour]

If you were a genuine good doer with positive intentions, you would have done what I and some others in my community are doing: EDUCATE. You have not any solutions to our major issues. Your reporting is generally quite accurate and I do not deny that. It's the motive I am concerned about...
And about the truth... Your truth is someone elses lie; my truth is your lie... For the time being, let it be agreed that neither of us lie intentionally.

Posted by: Yechiel | May 15, 2011 at 03:20 PM

educate what, that one must not go to the police when molested or just throw him out of the community so he can go and destroy another community.

rebbies are not policeman not the jail not doctors the are religious leader but somehow they have made the community impotent without first contacted them in every matter.

until the frummies realize that the secular court and criminal system is for the people all the people and not just there to put Jews in jail because they are Jews nothing will change.

You are not living in Poland anymore get over it

and that was never the way of jew religious or not

[Aleksandr Sigalov]

Shmaryah,

Just so you know, I for one support you 100%.

I'm very grateful for this web site and your articles. In my opinion, you are very good and honest reporter. Not to mention, that you are the only one I know who is not actually afraid to tell the whole truth.

Thank you.

[Jeff]

Loshon Hora:

Dont be fooled. I am almost certain that "alwaysright" is a righteous gentile.

Posted by: Deremes | May 15, 2011 at 03:14 PM

Weren't you the one who said this about me the other day?

[Adam Neira]

More trust building between different groups should be a feature on the world stage. You can deal with your neighbours in one of two ways. You can either :

(a) Take no real interest in them, pretend to care when you don't, feign civility, pigeonhole them, box them in and attempt to control and relate to them on your terms.

OR

(b) You can take an interest in who they are, relate to them, create healthy boundaries and hope everyone in the local community moves forward and unfolds their potential. You also know that it is not necessary to be best buddies with them.

It really is about orientation. Love as Erich Fromm describes it is : Care; Concern; Respect and Responsibility. These same principles of interpersonal relations can be applied to the realm of geo-politics. How we should engineer things is the tricky bit. But if the philosophical foundations are sound the rest will follow.

I approve of Rabbi Yisroel Dovid Weiss and Rabbi Yeshaye Rosenberg visiting Iran with conditions. Why just yesterday I met personally with Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz. Things are coming together. The prophesied times are upon us...

The best comment about the possibility of trust building in the region at the moment that I have read from Israel was from Tahl in Ashdod, via another site about five months ago. Tahl said...

"Looks like we're not so isolated as we were afraid."

Please everyone take note of this !

[Yechiel]

Shmarya, Jansci, Seymour:
When I say Educate, I mean by teaching ethics and differentiation between right and wrong morally. I also constantly converse with men of all ages to be beligerant on the molestation topic; Zero tolerance.
What I do encourage however is having the facts before reporting to authorities; all too many times there are falls alarms. Having someone arrested on false pretenses should be a crime in itself. Proceed with caution is what I am suggesting; don't be trigger happy... (but when the trigger needs to be pulled, do not faulter!)
If you have followed my posts you know that I am a staunch supporter of eradictating this plague.
My issue with FM is that crimes are perpetrated by people of all sorts. To single out a community and celebrate their wrongdoings publicly on a routine basis, is just cause for their enemies eagerly awaiting the opportunity to strike. More so, when there is so much history of persecution of that particular people...
Last but not least; I am not a history buff, but to my limited knowledge the Jews that incited the secular world against the Haredim did not gain any brownie points during the Nazi regime.
What I am merely suggesting: don't be responsible for the reprecussions that may, Heaven forbid, be a result of your 'truth reporting' in the name of free speech.

Why is that so difficult to process?

P.S. FM continues to be one of my daily sources of great entertainment.

[Yechiel]

Correction:
False alarms.

[Yechiel]

Correction #2
Belligerent

[jancsipista]

yechiel- to me the way you write suggests that you are out of touch with reality sorry to offend you but you sound very naive,youre reprecussion theory is bizzare to say the least,bringing in the natzi angle is even more strange are you this paranoid that you relly think we live in the 1939 era thats how you make out to be,its very very naive thinking,and you still dont get it this molestaion would not have gotten so out of hand if the proper steps would of been taken at the time it all came out, the reasoni still cant beleive you dont get it that things are the way they are is the rebbes swept it all under the rug its that simple dont make it out to be complicates.

[seymour]

Last but not least; I am not a history buff, but to my limited knowledge the Jews that incited the secular world against the Haredim did not gain any brownie points during the Nazi regime.
What I am merely suggesting: don't be responsible for the reprecussions that may, Heaven forbid, be a result of your 'truth reporting' in the name of free speech.

Why is that so difficult to process?

P.S. FM continues to be one of my daily sources of great entertainment.

Posted by: Yechiel | May 15, 2011 at 07:20 PM

neither did the davening and the righteousness of the heridiem protect the frummies.

now what is you point to bring the holocaust into this?

In addition, most of the complaints from any of us it not the individual crimes we all know there is good and bad in every group.

our issue is how the community deals with this, and I know clearly how they deal with it since I was a black hat yid

1 they never admit that one of theirs did a crime they will come up with amazing excuses to try to make the person innocent
2 they have no problem calling someone rav rov rebbie even it that person was convicted twice of fraud example rabbie Pinter
3 they will honor someone a day or two after they get released from prison mirrer yeshiva lakewood sort of like he was released from prison for being a yid not for a crime committed
4 there is no shame in committing financial fraud the person is still called an upstanding and holy Yid but god forbid his wife has a skirt an inch above her knees and then all hell breaks lose
5 when my house was robbed by some yeshiva boys on shobbos (before the erov was set up) everybody reaction in Boro Park was the same, How could they carry the stuff it was shabbos. No one, not one, said yeshiva boys
stealing.

even when someone get caught like SMR the rebbies hold rallies and blame his incarceration because yiddin need to do tuvha and or lax on something that bugs them at that time.

amazingly no rebbie mentions the animal abuse and or the financial crime that he did and no mention that maybe yiddin should be a little more careful or may I say this actually say issue a chumra to avoid financials crimes. I wonder if you can show us even one chumra like that

it would be hard for someone to mention a few heridie yeshivas that have not been convicted of financial crimes scamming from the government and so on.

the emphasizes in the heride community is on stupid chumras to be holy, but common ethics that everyday people understand means to be a good person the herdie do not emphasis and frankly do not care to follow

that is what is bugging us or very sad or funny

Do not put apicture of hillary clinton is a major issue but giving courses in yeshiva or a shir in beis medresh how it is a avera to scam., commit insurancer fruad, lie to get section 8 and so on one never ever sees or hears about in the herdie community.

It is simply so entrenched that it is common praticew and net even looked upon as fraud or an avira

[seymour]

the reasoni still cant beleive you dont get it that things are the way they are is the rebbes swept it all under the rug its that simple dont make it out to be complicates.

Posted by: jancsipista | May 15, 2011 at 07:55 PM

swept it under the rugs is an understatement. the victim is threatened with cheriem and told by some robbonum if you go to the police we will make sure none of you kids will be allowed into any yeshiva.

Also they simply do nothing the persons accused in Torah temema and satmar where allowed to teach for years after many accusation.

In addition, while the frum like to say we are one big community we care for all Jews is a simply lie. Since sometimes if they do take action and fire a molester they tell no one why. Therefore that person just goes somewhere else and molests again.

What they did was just protect their small community and the hell with the other frum communities

I do not call that ahavas yisroel

[Yechiel]

Seymour
I am bringing in the holocaust because when jews incite the secular world that is an inevitable result.
I am screaming loud enough that even someone like you who deliberately stuffs his ears... can hear me: I am a great advocate for the well being of people and animals alike. I limit it to not obsessing over it...
I, as an individual do not respect anyone who is a crook or lacks basic ethics. I talk to people all the time to do the same. I argue your very points that rabbis who steal or don't behave as rabbis should, should be stripped of their titles; definitely not celebrated.
If you followed my posts long enough you know what bothers me.
I wish you all the best.

[seymour]

Seymour
I am bringing in the holocaust because when jews incite the secular world that is an inevitable result.
I am screaming loud enough that even someone like you who deliberately stuffs his ears... can hear me: I am a great advocate for the well being of people and animals alike. I limit it to not obsessing over it...
I, as an individual do not respect anyone who is a crook or lacks basic ethics. I talk to people all the time to do the same. I argue your very points that rabbis who steal or don't behave as rabbis should, should be stripped of their titles; definitely not celebrated.
If you followed my posts long enough you know what bothers me.
I wish you all the best.

Posted by: Yechiel | May 15, 2011 at 08:56 PM

well said,

however, there seems not be more like you or more that are willing to speak up.
A yeshiva should not take money and honor a person a few days after his prison release. I am not sure but robonum and the general public are not screaming loud enough to be heard.

I am bringing in the holocaust because when jews incite the secular world that is an inevitable result.

I do not necessarily agree with that statement, but that is ok I can wee and understand why you feel that wya

[Loshon Hora]

You people who believe a holocaust could never happen on US soil, are as right as theose Jews in Prewar Germany who joined the new democratic parties after the deposition of the Kaizer, who were so sure that finaly Germany was safe & democratic, and gave equal rights to all citizens including Jews.
BTW that was the best times for German Jewry many old decrees,were dropped. Until...
It doesn't take much to ignite anger, if the debt cealing doesn't get lifted a new recession followed by hyperinflation mass unemployment, a shortage of food.
This could happen G-d forbid without warning.
Tomorrow the US maxes out the debt cealing.
When they look for a scapegoat it has almost always been us, & now you bait them.
Anytime we advise caution you start complaining that the Chareidim call everyone Nazis.That is far from the truth, we do live in some fear, because we are old enough to still have shared the suffering of those who suffered last time, they were also witness to how things changed so rapidly.
BTW in Poland, a very large portion of the Jews had become secular & sucked up to the gentile at the expense of their own brothers, but it didn't help, it was used against them.
Keeop changing the rythem that we stuff it under the carpet, etc, when you know very well that isn't the case you just need to feed your agenda of hate against fellow Jews. What could you expect from a gentile? Deep down realize where you may be on the path to, but you will never admit it.
Lying about a whole segmant of Jewery in public is a libel, painting all with one brush is racism.

[Jeff]

Last but not least; I am not a history buff, but to my limited knowledge the Jews that incited the secular world against the Haredim did not gain any brownie points during the Nazi regime...

Why is that so difficult to process?

Perhaps because it makes no sense?

[jancsipista]

loshon hara- you are mentally disturbed get help the sooner the better.

[Loshon Hora]

loshon hara- you are mentally disturbed get help the sooner the better.

Posted by: jancsipista | May 16, 2011 at 07:46 AM
Those who avoid answering the truth & revert to placing their problems on others like you.You have more than once admited that the Shochet & mohel in Hungery caused you life time emotional problems.
You don't answer my valid complaints, instead you attack me with a meager complaint. To that I say Kol Hapoisel Bemumoi Poisel.However what I bring up remains unanswered.

[Justin Time]

Adam Neira - May 16th, and you're still stuck downunder? Whatever happened to your Jerusalem deadline?

[jancsipista]

loshon hara- youre even more disturbed then i imagined,youre mixing things up confusing youreself and others who are gullible to youre meshigas my emotional well being has nothing to do with critical thinking which you lack tottaly, and youre bringing that up just goes to show youre viciousness and indifference to others feeling youre a selfish mindless automaton in other words a robot who things he is human.

[Loshon Hora]

loshon hara- youre even more disturbed then i imagined,youre mixing things up confusing youreself and others who are gullible to youre meshigas my emotional well being has nothing to do with critical thinking which you lack tottaly, and youre bringing that up just goes to show youre viciousness and indifference to others feeling youre a selfish mindless automaton in other words a robot who things he is human.

Posted by: jancsipista | May 16, 2011 at 08:10 AM
I should really ignore you, seeing you personaly attack me, and evade answering anything I post. You prove you really have an agenda & are denying it. I hope we remain safe until moshiach comes, and you don't get proven wrong.

[jancsipista]

loshon hara-yes i hope we evade each other till moshiah comes, that would be leoilom vued, you with youre moshiach fantasy keep on dreaming its easier then facing reality, reality is too harsh,you sound like youre an angel and i am the evil one i attack you, what you do to others doesnt matter you dont look at them as human beings , you come here write like you know it all, but in reality youre not in touch with the real world which is much more complicated then you think or cant think

[Loshon Hora]

Jan
Again personal attacks you don't answer my post, because you have no answer, other than you don't believe in G-d or that Moshiach will come.You look down on me for being a believer.
I do believe in the 13 ikrim, and you won't change that.

[jancsipista]

loshon hara- youre emune in hashem is much worst then a non beleivers youre a fake fraud and a phony, i am telling you to start thinking criticaly and not hallucinating youre life away with youre moshiah defence or offence wake up youre in a dreamland that someone made for you think for youreself.

[Loshon Hora]

Da Ma shetoshiv leapikoires is a non-Jewish apikores a Yiddishe Apikores you don't answer or speak to.
Thanks for letting me know whatyou are, I suspected you were a frum erlicher yid, I no longer do. The only doubt I still have is if you are smart enough to be an apikoiress. Either way there is no point in this back & fro.
I guess you could thank me for helping your bordem.
BL"N this is the last time I will answer your posts.
I hope I get the siyata dishmayah never to read them anymore.
Just when Moshiach finaly comes make sure to stay behind.

[jancsipista]

loshon- the reason there are so many molesters, that is destroyers of life among the frummies is because they think like you they justify anything in the name of toireh, you are one sick dude keep on youre nonsensical toireh lectures you will get no where.

[Yossi]

Not Neturei Karta, but Charovei Karta - see Midrash Rabbah Eichoh (near the beginning).

[Adam Neira]

To Justin Time,

Three questions :

(a) Who said I am "stuck" ?
(b) What is your real name ?
(c) What country do you live in ?

P.S. You do know it is possible to project one's power in this day and age don't you ?

[A. Nuran]

Yechiel writes:
Your truth is someone elses lie; my truth is your lie

You're entitled to your own opinion. You are not entitled to your own facts. The facts are Shmarya faithfully includes attributions and the original text and byline. He makes it clear when he is adding his own interpretation and includes his own title separately.

You may not like what he says.

That does not give you can blithely say "It didn't happen because I don't want it to have happened."

[Justin Time]

To Adam Neira,

(a) As far as I can gather, Rabbi Adin Steinsaltz is currently in Australia. I thought you were headed for Jerusalem.
(b) I place little trust in electronic communications, and never, ever transmit my real name in online exchanges unless I have a 'real world' relationship with the person with whom I am communicating. I don't know you from Adam (pardon the pun), therefore you don't fall into the latter category.
(c) see (b), replacing "personal details" for "real name"

"Trust building" is all very well and good, but I'm a little old-fashioned that way - I only trust people I have met face-to-face. Online identities don't cut it.

As for projecting "one's power" - regardless of how effective your skills of metaphysical transformation may be, I reckon a flesh-and-blood manifestation of Moshiach will be far more effective than an ephemeral sort. But what would I know?

Have a nice day!

[Adam Neira]

To Justin Time,

I am headed to the Holy Land. Would love to be there soon actually, but I need my angels. I also don't like going somewhere unless there is an intention. I'm not just going to be a tourist in the Middle East. I like changing things for the better. I actually get a bit bored if people and things around me aren't unfolding their potential. Regarding the angel thing...I don't need certain people around as a crutch. I quite like my own company. But some people can enhance one's aspects of self. They can also spark, inspire and motivate you. I love seeing people I care about unfold their potential. Also one righteous person is powerful but twelve of them can move mountains. I have a certain sensitivity to people's energy. I have been blessed with some truly extraordinary people around me at the moment. I do not say this lightly. I have met many thousands of people from many walks of life in my 45 years and have related deeply to many of them. For many years one of my little sayings has been "Good connections make the world go around !" I cherish the connection I have to G-d. And I have a connection to certain people who I am extremely loyal to. I also know that they can help me with the mission. Some people really do have a certain power. Get the twelve of us twelve in a room with some training, background and intent and I'm sure we can affect the zeitgeist for the better. There is a method to my madness. Would love to describe more of what I mean.

P.S. I've been quite lucid and open with this post, but I feel you may actually care about what I am trying to achieve. Your reticence in not revealing your personal details is fine. I just hope all these anonymous posters will have a beer with me one day in Jerusalem and reveal themselves. I have also just returned from one of my long walks and am especially clear and hopeful tonight. My heart is in a funny place as well. It’s an angel thing...