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May 29, 2011

Hasidic Newspaper Blots Out The Face Of Israel's Prime Minister

Netanyahu obama ©AFP  Jim Watson Der Blatt, a Satmar hasidic newspaper published in Brooklyn, NY, blacked out the face of Israel's prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, in an iconic photograph of Netanyahu's recent meeting with US President Barack Obama.

The scan I'm posting below was sent to me by a reader who I do not know personally, and I as of yet can't confirm that this blacking out of Netanyahu's face was actually done by Der Blatt.

Update 1:40 pm CST – I have confirmation from a printing industry source in Brooklyn that the photo was indeed blacked out by Der Blatt.

Update 2:50 pm CST – As for why Der Blatt would do this, Satmar hasidim are extremely anti-Zionist, and Netanyahu's rebuke of the American president and his very public – and, in their minds, brazen – lecturing of Obama in the White House certainly made Netanyahu a loathsome figure to them.

Based on the writings of their founding rabbi, Satmar believes that Jews should not force in any way a Jewish presence in Israel or act toward non-Jewish powers in a brazen fashion. This is the basis for its opposition to the Jewish state.

Because of his behavior in the White House, Satmar would view Netanyahu as evil.

There is a custom with some basis in Jewish law not to look at or gaze at the face of an evil person. And that is probably why Netanyahu's face was apparently hastily blacked out just before printing.

Here is the original AFP picture by Jim Watson:

Netanyahu obama ©AFP  Jim Watson

Here is how it allegedly appeared in Der Blatt's May 27th issue:

Netanyahu Obama Der Blatt 5-27-11 pic only

Der Blatt Netanyahu Face Blacked Out low res

 

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Shmarya, let me be the first to point out that Der Blatt is not making a statement against Israel in particular. As one can clearly see Obama is clearly blacked out as well. Great to be living in Israel where I can openly say such things [not].

Change the name of the newspaper to Der Blot.

sickos!!!!!! is netanyahu a woman? or are the satmers a bunch of homos

I cant stop laughing how they got what they wanted.

As i said on another thread that Der Blatt would of loved it that they should of been in the news instead of Di Tizetung.

They are not skver and not chabad. You found your match.
They are more clever then you ever imagined.
They will give you work on a weekly basis.

He looks like a masked "luchador" from the CMLL

I am waiting for rational for this weird behavior

maybe one of the editors got aroused looking at Netanyahu

These satmar scumbags are the lowest of the low, shit of the shit. Bunch of peasants who should be sent back to the Carpathian mountains from whence most of them originate.

Perhaps it is time to allow ourselves to add those publishers to our thoughts when we say the Heretics portion of the Shemoni Esrei.

they thought he was special ops and blotted him out for security reasons

The KJ local papers, run by the same sect as Der Blatt, regularly blot out all goyish faces, male or female.

Childish, uneducated fools. I feel bad for the people trapped in this satmar cult, either by family pressure or from fear of losing their welfare. God should free them from their physical and mental chains.

Satmar=pure evil

"Because of his behavior in the White House, Satmar would view Netanyahu as evil.

There is a custom with some basis in Jewish law not to look at or gaze at the face of an evil person. And that is probably why Netanyahu's face was apparently hastily blacked out just before printing."


Di Tizetung felt it was important to show that picture because it was major major news and wanted to show how its being watched live from the white house and they photo shopped it to take out Hillary Clinton.

But this was news but not such news that a picture needs to be shown.

So why was this picture so important for them to be in the paper?

Anyone has an answer?

Its interesting that they have a map of Israel in the paper.

1) The map has English writing which most of them could not read.

2) Most of them do not understand geography and would not understand the map in any case.

This is like the child who covers their eyes and thinks they can be seen or the arabs reprinting maps without Israel thinking that changes reality. Denial is the most primitive of the defenses.

Deremes, I suppose you can't see why this is any different then an Arab map deleting the name "Israel"

But why should historical revision and alteration bother these people? They live in a fantasy world anyway.

or act toward non-Jewish powers in a brazen fashion.

they do that every day in KJ

I wonder if this story will go viral like the Hillary Clinton deletion?

These satmar scumbags should be expelled from their little shtetl, their little jewland.

jay,
I suppose you didn't get what i was trying to say.

I am no fan of Der Blatt.
But i will tell you this,they are very clever and shrewd at what they do.I shouldn't really say it but watch how they will make FM look like the biggest joke. If any legit outlet is quoting now FM,i guarantee you within a short time you wont have where to post your comments.
Mark my words.

Suka der blett

Satmars are the most vile people I've ever comes across. Most of them have not a shred of ethics or morals. They also tend to stink as they immerse themselves in filthy gay baths in the morning (aka mikves) and make sure not to take showers afterwards, so as not to wash off the holy mikve water. They have one of the highest rates of child molestation, incest, rape, food stamps fraud etc.

hey lets blot out pics of the rebbes of skver satmar etc . we will have a hay day . will certainly be one beautiful memorial day

It looks like they tried to put a beard on him with one of those magnet and iron filings toys kids used to play with before video games.

I don't know what's sadder - that they feel his image should be blotted out, or that this represents the limit of their editing skills.

oh no!! i think Der Blota was Jelous that Di Zietung got so much media attention so they did it dafka to get media covrage...

der blota (דער בלאטא( is right, they do it just for attention

"Based on the writings of their founding rabbi, Satmar believes that Jews should not force in any way a Jewish presence in Israel or act toward non-Jewish powers in a brazen fashion. This is the basis for its opposition to the Jewish state."

Natrina said just that this past week in its shabbes bulletin

"Israeli leader makes chitzpadig statements to the President, the hisgaris bu'imos (rebellion against the goyim) endangers Jewish children around the world"

Also refers to "Netanya" as the rosh hakoifrim

http://bit.ly/kn3v8j

What page?

Let's blot out the photos in Kupat Ha'ir ads.

PAge 1 headline is talking about hisgaris bu'imos.

Page 4 under section heading "S'brent a Fire" 2nd paragraph, "Bibi Netanya, der roish hakoifrim"

Also third parag from bottom refers to roish hakoifrim meeting with congress.

Hisgarus beumon (literally rousing the nations)???!!!

Let them look in the mirror first. These satmar rodents do it every day. I knew several people from college who lived next door to their shtetl in KJ and not one of them had a nice word to say about these blood sucking leeches and parasites. They are inciting the nations on a daily basis, they are a drain on the local economy and always manages to piss off all their neighbors. I call for the peaceful dismantlement of Kiryas Yoel!

Also refers to "Netanya" as the rosh hakoifrim

What a cool title! I'd like to be the "Rosh HaKofrim"! Where do I go to fill out the forms?

with jew haters running wild daily and continuously on this site! I wonder who needs goyisha anti-semites when we have shmarya and company the proffesinal anti-semites.

with jew haters running wild daily and continuously on this site! I wonder who needs goyisha anti-semites when we have shmarya and company the proffesinal anti-semites.

Posted by: moshe | May 30, 2011 at 07:41 AM

At least we aren't running around setting people on fire.

Idiot.

with jew haters running wild daily and continuously on this site! I wonder who needs goyisha anti-semites when we have shmarya and company the proffesinal anti-semites.

Posted by: moshe | May 30, 2011 at 07:41 AM


we are only exposing you and the utra frummies for what you really are

morons, hypocrites, crooks, and now attempted murderess.

Do we make stuff up or are we just exposing the truth and you do not like it

I believe that Der Blatt is seeking to remind its readership of a meeting between Ben Gurion and extremist Rabbi Avrohom Yeshaya Karelitz (the Chazon Ish) regarding women's national service. This meeting has taken on in haredi circles great historic importance being regarded 'as an incredible event' and 'a global sensation' being a head on confrontation between 'good and evil, holiness and impurity' and like 'the encounter between the Tannah Yochanan ben Zakai and Vespesian'.

It is accepted as fact in Ultraorthodox circles that the Karelitz removed his spectacles when he had a short meeting with Ben Gurion about women's national service in keeping with the sages' admonition "not to look in the villains' face."

The source for this story comes from Ultra Orthodox fanatic and writer Moshe Sheinfeld in the autobiography of Karelitz called Pe-er Hador. who states that as they left the meeting, Ben-Gurion remarked to Yitzhak Navon (who was the only other person present at that meeting) that the Karelitz was a humble Jew, and mentioned his "beautiful and wise eyes." Little did he know, according to Sheinfeld, why the Chazon Ish had removed his spectacles.

However according to Yitchak Navon, Karelitz kept his spectacles on throughout the meeting and this incident seems to another example of Hareidi history (ie myth). According to Navon the meeting was quite unspectacular in that Ben Gurion stated his case and Karelitz stated his case after which the meeting ended.

The idea that a tough realist politician like Ben Gurion would be bewitched by the eyes of a rabbi only 8 years his senior is, for anyone other that the ultraothodox romantic nonsense. Ben Gurion considered the Chazon Ish to be an extremist. The Chazon Ish would have considered that as a compliment. He wrote:-

Just as simplicity and truth are separate entities, so are extremism and greatness separate entities: Extremism is the perfection of the topic. One who waves the banner of moderation and hates extremism, is in the same camp as liars or imbeciles. If there is no extremism there is no perfection and without perfection there is no beginning. For the beginning is with constant questioning and doubts, and perfection is the sharp reply which puts each statement in the right and truthful place.

'We are used to hearing certain circles declare that they are not extremists, and yet still consider themselves faithful Jews with enough faith in Torah and Torah opinion. From an arbitrary point of view, we say that just as there are among the lovers of wisdom none who love just a little wisdom and hate a lot of wisdom, so among the lovers of Torah and its commandments there is no love of mediocrity and hatred for extremism.'

The above is a quote from the Chazon Ish, Yalkeit Daas Torah.

Deremes, for some reason the Chazon Ish's statement of extremism seems particular evocative when shouted in German. Perhaps you can suggest to Satmar that in place of the Prayer for the Government (which is never said anyway) the Shaliach Tzibur should shout out the following:-

'So wie Einfachheit und Wahrheit sind getrennte Einheiten, so sind Extremismus und Größe getrennte Einheiten: Extremismus ist die Perfektion des Themas. Einer, der Wellen das Banner der Mäßigung und hasst Extremismus, ist im gleichen Lager als Lügner oder Dummköpfe. Wenn es keinen Extremismus gibt es keine Perfektion und Vollkommenheit, ohne gibt es keinen Anfang. Für den Anfang ist mit ständigen Fragen und Zweifel, und Perfektion ist die scharfe Antwort, die jede Aussage bringt die richtige und wahrheitsgemäße Platz'

"Do we make stuff up or are we just exposing the truth and you do not like it"

you’re a congenital liar and hate mongerer when you find 10 or even a 100 people from a group and condemn the whole as such ‘guilty by association’, its like saying all blacks are this or that.. or all italians are.. or for that sake since 90% of jews today are desecrating the shabbos, that don’t make all jews mechalele shabos c"v

"we are only exposing you and the utra frummies for what you really are

morons, hypocrites, crooks, and now attempted murderess.

Do we make stuff up or are we just exposing the truth and you do not like it
Posted by: seymour | May 30, 2011 at 10:25 AM"


Well,after all we learned all this behavior from our secular Jewish brothers who are the biggest crooks.Every insider trading thief is a secular Jew.Every Jewish politician who is secular is a hypocrite and a liar.

“At least we aren't running around setting people on fire. Idiot.”
Yes you are setting people on “fire” with your inflammatory condemnation of ‘all’ charedi jews (whom you hate because of your agenda..) when you pick and choose which group to condemn and which not, is there any one guilty of putting peoples life on fire.. more than the IDF and their cohorts in the last 70 years! Physically and, metaphorically by igniting worldwide anti Semitism ?, Get busy of the criminals in your group than if you have time left bring it on..!

is there any one guilty of putting peoples life on fire.. more than the IDF and their cohorts in the last 70 years! Physically and, metaphorically by igniting worldwide anti Semitism ?

How disgusting! You equate Israeli soldiers who risk their lives – and sometimes, sadly, give their lives – to protect Jews with haredim who wanted to burn a child alive over a real estate dispute.

You are a sick little man.

Well,after all we learned all this behavior from our secular Jewish brothers who are the biggest crooks.Every insider trading thief is a secular Jew.Every Jewish politician who is secular is a hypocrite and a liar.

Typical. "We're better than you are, and when we aren't - we learned it from you!"

You're too delusional to bother with.

Judaism today has been taken over by the Athiests and the Seculars. It is the fault of Israel for this in many ways because you used to have to actually be Jewish in order to say you were a Jew. It is because of Aliyah that people like Bill Maher (An Athiest/Irish Catholic)can go on tv and call himself a Jew because his mother was born into a secular Jewish family. One day he's Athiest, the next day he's Catholic, the next day he's Jewish. How stupid!

That's quite the explanation, Ariel Emmanuelle – especially because Bill Maher could have done the exact same thing without aliyah or the State of Israel.

Why?

Because that is how rabbinic Jewish law understands who is and who is not a Jew.

"You are a sick little man."
here comes another congenital liar acusing the accused by with false equations! Yes IDF with the state of israel where and is engaged in murderers acts and even before the cursed state was created! Read ‘perfidy’ among other well researched work and you to will be writing in blogs to express your pain and not being blindsided by your self hate! For starters read this: http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/nothing-to-do-but-pray-1.358827

moshe:

Perfidy is persona non grata on FM. Its like red for a bull.

You're a shoteh gamur.

Hecht was a playwright, not a historian, and he relied heavily on Samuel Tamir's lies.

Bout you're a little Satmar shoteh, far too brainwashed and far to ignorant to know that even the man who shot Kasztner thinks Kasztner was innocent.

As for Ethiopian Jewry, little Satmar, your rebbe – a man who told his followers to stay in Europe and not to flee because the Nazis would never kill us because we hate Zionism; a man who was saved by a Zionist and then tried to lie about it – did N-O-T-H-I-N-G to save Ethiopian Jews.

On the other hand, Menachem Begin did try to save them.

So you are wrong, and you are too stupid and too ill-educated to know it.

"you're a little Satmar shoteh"

that says it all your blind ignorant hate and probably a 'self hating jew' who only hitler recognized as a jew! can respond with such ignorance and still believe he is educated! no one refuted perfidy, and today the respectful haaretz writes a long and well documented articles about the accomplices of for runners to the IDF how they kept their silence and let SIX MILLION JEWS GET BURNED ALIVE! so 'maybe' it will help them get a state! NO! kastner who was a sworn zionist did not save SR z"l he would of probably burn him alive himself if he dared! wake up !!!

read: http://www.haaretz.com/weekend/magazine/nothing-to-do-but-pray-1.358827

As for Lau-Lavi's articles, you have to look at them along with the contemporaneous documents from Nazi archives and from the archives of Slovakia, Hungary and Romania.

When that is done, it is clear that the Yishuv really did not have much it could have done to save large numbers of Jews – the anti-Zionist delusions of the Satamr Rebbe notwithstanding.

Menachem Begin was behind the bombing of the King David hotel where many British were killed.
He was behind many other terrorist attacks against the British and against your beloved Haganah. Dont make him for a saint.

And no, the Satmar rebbe never lied about anything.

Ben Gourion and Chaim Weitzmann who was from the Yishuv made no secret that they are not interested in saving any Jews.
These are not satmar propaganda its all documented by people who are more Zionists then you are.

no one refuted perfidy

Little Satmar shoteh, you're wrong. Perfidy has been refuted by dozens of historians. It simply is not true. Hecht was lied to by Tamir and his guys, and he believed them.

Your dead rebbe was a horrible man, a dishonest man, a man whose word killed thousands of his own followers. They burned in the overns because Yoel Teitelbaum lied.

And, again, Lau-Lavi wrote those articles 50 years ago, long before the evidence from behind the Iron Curtain was available.

Once it became available, Lau Lavi's work has to be view along side it.

When that is done, it becomes clear that the Nazis were guilty; antisemitic Slovakians, Romanians, and Hungarians were guilty; and rabbis including Yoel Teitelbaum were guilty.

Process that, little Satmar shoteh.

And no, the Satmar rebbe never lied about anything.

Posted by: Deremes | May 30, 2011 at 02:27 PM

Please.

Yoel Teitelbaum lied about who saved him and how he was saved. He lied about his treatment during the rescue. He lied about Kasztner. He lied about Israel.

He was hated in Satmar by many town residents before the Holocaust, just the way many in Skvere hate the Skvere Rebbe today.

But you know none of that because you don't know or study history. And you don't because Yoel Teitelbaum – the rasha, the liar, the mentally ill – told you not to.

"Process that, little Satmar shoteh.'

long after you and your non jewish children will be dead every word of SR z"l
will be discused and debated.. process that 'BIG APIKORAS' there where many the likes of you in the two thosand year of our long gulas and no one remebers them or what they said! litlle shmarya.. your next another one bytes the dust.. gone gone GONE!

Posted by: Shmarya | May 30, 2011 at 02:40 PM

The Satmar Rebbe never lied about anything.

He never lied about who saved him
He never lied about his treatment during the rescue.
He never lied about Kastner
He never lied about Israel.

In most towns/cities/shtetel in Europe many rabonim were hated by people like you who wanted to have a say in the Kehila and the rabonim fought with them because they were fardorbana youngen.

But you know non of that because all you know is Chabad,and from that bad experience you became hateful,mentally ill and cursing the day you were born.

long after you and your non jewish children will be dead every word of SR z"l
will be discused and debated.. process that 'BIG APIKORAS' there where many the likes of you in the two thosand year of our long gulas and no one remebers them or what they said! litlle shmarya.. your next another one bytes the dust.. gone gone GONE!

Posted by: moshe | May 30, 2011 at 02:50 PM

Yes, little Satmar shoteh Moshe will go to his grave believing fairy tales and lies, but I will suffer/ Why? Because Shmarya believes the truth.

Perfect haredi theology.

He never lied about who saved him
He never lied about his treatment during the rescue.
He never lied about Kastner
He never lied about Israel.

I love it when a hasid who has never done any historical research, who has no real secular education, who has no idea what the actual facts are, declares that his Rebbe did not lie.

The problem is, your Rebbe did lie – and his lies killed people.

I love it when a self hating Jew who knows nothing about orthodox Jews besides chabad,is so hateful that he is not even in control of what he is writing.

You will scream lie so much until you will find a few loosers in life who will believe you.

The satmar rebbe ztl is not alive for over 30 years and his community has grown as one can ever imagined. even with all the splits,each of them are bigger then ever. His "fairy tails" is being spoken about on a daily basis.


Eat your hateful heart out.

I love it when a self hating Jew who knows nothing about orthodox Jews besides chabad,is so hateful that he is not even in control of what he is writing.

Please.

I'm not self hating, but I do hate lies, and your Rebbe was a liar.

Past that, I lived and learned in non-Chabad haredi communities and I'm very familiar with them.

You, however, have no real experience outside your cult – but that has not stopped you from hurling insults at other communities, insults that are almost always based on your errors and Satmar's lies.

The satmar rebbe ztl is not alive for over 30 years and his community has grown as one can ever imagined. even with all the splits,each of them are bigger then ever. His "fairy tails" is being spoken about on a daily basis.


Eat your hateful heart out.

Yes, we should all be envious that the Jim Jones of the haredi world has many followers.

But how many of those followers are just going through the motions? How many are stealing, cheating, going to prostitutes? How many steal from the government?

Yup. We should all be proud of Satmar – and its crimes, and its lies and its cult.

Vomit.

Look,its your blog and you can write whatever you desire.

I didn't say that you are self hating, i did say a self hating Jew.

May i know where you learned besides chabad that you know the inner about haredi Jews?

And you can scream lie lie as much as you want.It want make him a liar because you decided so.

Nothing depends on how you decide.

So let me hear,How many are stealing?
How many are going to prostitues?

Shmarya (shamata) all you writing is full of innuendos anger, curses, and screams of: lie lie lie! but no intelactual wisdom or revelations nada! and you want us to believe you're very educated.. ?? whats that all about!

Shmarya (shamata) all you writing is full of innuendos anger, curses, and screams of: lie lie lie! but no intelactual wisdom or revelations nada! and you want us to believe you're very educated.. ?? whats that all about!

Posted by: moshe | May 30, 2011 at 03:43 PM

I hate talking to hasidim who are uneducated, ignorant of history, ignorant of halkaha – ignorant.

Satmar's position on the rescue of Yoel Teitelbaum has been conclusively proved false. There are no historians of any merit who agree with Satmar's lies – but there are dozens who disagree.

That is what you and Deremes and other hasidim will never understand, because for you, the cult is more important than the truth.

No.
As much as you try it wont work.
Within time there will be people like you that will claim that Rabbi Wiesmandel ztl lied too.

So by you claiming about your wishful lies that the Satmar rebbe said,wont make it so.

You're in a cult.

Over the years I have tried a dozen times to show you evidence, but you never look at it.

As for Rabbi Wiessmandl, he though tthat during WW2 the Allies would sell Jews 10,000 trucks and let the Jews exchange the trucks with the Nazis for Jews.

He was wrong. The facts now clearly prove him wrong.

But in your tiny, closed mind, the facts and reason do not matter.

You're in a cult of your own.

My point was that everyone agrees that Rabbi Wiesmandel ztl knew more then anyone else what went on.ok,to please you he only knew a tiny bit.
But within time there will be people like you who will claim that not that he was wrong but he also lied. The same as you claim now on the Satmar Rebbe ztl

BTW,
Over the time i tried showing you that besides the trucks for the nazis there was also talks about money. And the Jewish agency thugs refused to give any money to save Jews.
But those facts doesn't fit your agenda.

My point was that everyone agrees that Rabbi Wiesmandel ztl knew more then anyone else what went on.ok,to please you he only knew a tiny bit.

He was living in a bunker and he knew almost nothing.

He tried very hard to save Jews. For the most part, he failed, through no fault of his own.

Kasztner on the other hand knew a whole lot more than Rabbi Wiessmandl. And Kasztner saved more Jews than any other Jew did during the Holocaust.

As for sending money, how were they supposed to do that? Do you thinks millions of dollars could be withdrawn from banks and moved into Nazi-controlled Europe with the Allies catching them doing it?

You are wholly unrealistic.

Aha as i said before very slowly its starting.
Were up to already that Rabbi Wiesmandel knew almost nothing.Yeah,keep on going.Next,he lied.

He did save Jews.

Kastner saved Jews but for that he had to lie to other Jews so they will go like sheep's.

The Vad Hatzolah that was lead by Orthodox Jews from NY,Turkey,Switzerland DID find ways in sending money to save Jews.
You don't want to know this facts.

You are incredibly stupid.

1. The Vaad Hatzolah sent relative small amounts of money, primarily to countries that had not yet been overrun by the Nazis.

2. What Wiessmandl wanted was for the Yishuv to send MILLIONS of dollars DIRECTLY TO THE NAZIS.

Normal people can understand the difference between these two things.

But you are, shall we say, way below normal.

Name calling,and my argument is kaput,ouch.

I went over this topic here numerous times and its like talking to the wall.

Ben-Gourion,Chaim Weitzmann,Issac Grunbaum and the rest of the Jewish agency said it openly that they have NO INTEREST in saving Jews.
Joel Brand when he was sent to meet with the Jewish agency was warned in middle of his trip by Jacob Grifil of the vad hatzolah that he is falling into their trap and the British will arrest him and they did.
But these documenetd facts by non other then flaming zionists,means nothing to you.

Ben-Gourion,Chaim Weitzmann,Issac Grunbaum and the rest of the Jewish agency said it openly that they have NO INTEREST in saving Jews.
Joel Brand when he was sent to meet with the Jewish agency was warned in middle of his trip by Jacob Grifil of the vad hatzolah that he is falling into their trap and the British will arrest him and they did.

They did not say they had no interest in saving Jews.

What they said was that because of the vast number of Jews being killed by the Nazis, a Jewish state would be built.

This only sounds horrible if you think they could have saved millions of lives – but they could not.

Joel Brand's trucks for Jews scheme was impossible. There is no reasonable doubt about it.

But you do not know the history, and you only believe the lies told by your rebbes.

What they said when they were asked for money: was Rak Bedom Tiyah lono horatz tanslate Only with blood we will get a land.

Rabbi wiesmandel wrote telegrams and received letters and what he said is 100%true

Read what issac grunbaum said and read the rest.

Was Joel Brand arrested for supposedly being a spy?
Was he warned that he is falling into a trap by the Jewish agency?
You know only what you read by secular historians. I know what i read secular historians and by Orthodox askonim (not rabbis because rabbis lie)
You only believe what you want to believe and that's why you know so little.

Please.

You don't read secular historians.

You're a shoteh gamur.

There is no way the trucks or the money could have been given to the Germans. No way.

Historians – and by that I mean people that have actually studied history – are nearly unanimous in their understanding that Wissmandl meant well but had no chance of success. Same for Brand.

You haven't read secular historians – unless you're counting Ben Hecht – and you really are ignorant.

You have proceed this over and over and over again for years.

You never explain how the trucks would have gotten to the Nazis or how the money would have.

You don't explain because you cannot explain.

All you know is the lies of your rebbes, and those lies cannot be made true.

You keep on bringing up trucks and i bring up the money issue.
Rabbi Wiesmandel held back deportation of the Slovakian Jewry for like 20 months because he gave the Nazis MONEY.

Small amount big amount no matter,the fact is the Vad Hatzolah sent money ILLEGLAY to save Jews.

Never mind Brands schemes.
But,

Who arrested Brand?
Why was he arrested?
What was he told while in prison that who is going to meet him?
They told him one person and in the end someone else came and made a fool out of him. Who was that person? Do you have a clue?
Go read a bit.
Again,you can scream lies all day,it wont change the facts and history.

You keep on bringing up trucks and i bring up the money issue.
Rabbi Wiesmandel held back deportation of the Slovakian Jewry for like 20 months because he gave the Nazis MONEY.

You're delusional.

He did not delay the deportation by 20 months or anything like it.

The problem is that you really are ignorant of history.

You know, there is much documentation from Slovakia and from the Nazis that prove you wrong.

But you'd only know that if you were honest enough to look.

But you are not honest.

long after you and your non jewish children will be dead every word of SR z"l
will be discused and debated..

The other Hasidic sects don't do that even now. You have a vastly overinflated opinion of your Rebbe's importance in the saga of Jewish history.

Joel Teitelbaum, Satmar Rebbe was a particularly vile scumbag. Ask the remnant of his original Chassidim in Satu Mare, how he urged them not to leave because he will protect them. And when the Zionists came to rescue his sorry ass (worst thing the Zionists ever did), he jumped at the opportunity and left all his hassidim to burn in ovens.

If hell exists I hope Yoelish Teitelbaum is rotting in it..

guys the cult of the rebbie cannot ever let even a small crack open that maybe the rebbie made a mistake or that he had his flaws.

Since if that happens then all can be questioned and they con not afford that.

They are like holocaust deniers no amount of evidence will shake their belive that their rebbie was a great man and did nor err.

It is well know that many not all chasidish rebbeis told their flock to stay nothing will happen, or said better to die frum then to become frie in the US. When the going got hot they left and left their chasedeim to die.

as far a katzner to lie that is aways told is that he did not warn anybody.
Their is eye witness that say he Katzner told us to go and tell people since he could not do it himself and still get info from the Nazis

They also said when they went to places and started tell people of the upcoming doom the rebbies banished them from the community. These are documented facts not a story from a story teller.

The main reason I think yoeli is so mad at the zionist is simply that they the non religious saved Jews and he did not all his prayers and all his whatever and it took the secular to save Jews and save his ass. So he had to vilify them so he does not look like a potz that he was

The ultraorthodox never were able to appreciate the situation that Jews of Eastern Europe found themselves once the war turned against Germany.

They take the view that this was a standard pidyon shvuyim situation (like a child being kidnapped) in which the kidnapper only seeks monetary gain. In their view, the kidnapper could have been bought off by paying a ransom and they created this myth of the Zionists refusing to help (or even hindering) the payment of the ransom of food and trucks.

The true position of the Jews was more akin to hostages held by a violent group of bank robbers who shoot their way into a bank killing the security guard and a customer, but get caught in a gun battle with police when trying to escape and retreat back into the bank after killing a police officer. These bank robbers are now surrounded by police and cannot escape. All they have is their hostages. If they surrender they face the electric chair. They have nothing to lose. It makes sense for them to threaten to kill the hostages unless the police agree to provide them with a helicopter to escape. It makes sense for them to start killing hostages to prove they are serious in their demands. The hostages and their families in such a situation will beg the authorities to submit to the bank robbers demands however the authorities will in all probability refuse to do so. The hostages in such a situation may well be doomed. The bank robbers will start shooting one hostage at a time. The authorities will send in a SWAT team. In the shootout, half the hostages are killed as well as the bank robbers. The Satmar response to this tragic outcome will be to blame the families of the hostages.

The only way the Jews of Europe could possibly at that stage of the war been saved was for the Allies to agree an Armistice with Nazi Germany (which many in Germany would have accepted). The Germans were hardly likely to release their hostage Jews for such trucks and food which would not hasten their inevitable defeat and occupation when they could use them as hostages to avoid occupation. That price was however too high a price as far as Roosevelt and Churchill were concerned. The policy of the Allies as regards Germany (and Japan) was total war until unconditional surrender. The US and UK were prepared to pay the price in the lives of their servicemen for that policy and would actively interfere in any attempt by Jews however well meaning to undermine that policy of total war.

What is particular disturbing about Satmar's version of history is its similarities to the Nazi Stab-in-the-back legend (Dolchstoßlegende) which arose after their defeat in the Great War.

The Nazis could not accept the reality that Germany's defeat in the Great War was a result of their simply not being powerful enough to take on the economic and military might of the Great Powers of the USA, the British Empire and France

Likewise Satmar cannot accept the reality that Ultraorthodoxy and ghettoism would not save Jews from disaster.

Satmar are good at Photoshopping. They only need change the hats in this cartoon to conform to their view of history

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Stab-in-the-back_cartoon_1924.jpg

To conclude:

The Satmar Rebbe never lied about anything.

He never lied about who saved him.
He never lied about his treatment during the rescue.
He never lied about Kastner
He never lied about Israel.

You know he did,PROOF each of them.

Rabbi Wiesmandel because he bribed the Nazis,deportation of Slovakian Jewry was held back for 20 months and the results was that over EIGHT THOUSAND Jews were saved.

The Jewish agency had no interest in saving Jews.

Rabbi Wiesmandel writes in Min Hameitzar that Nathan Schwalb wrote regarding rescuing Jews:

"As it seems the allies will win the war and they will divide certain countries who gets what and we are already in the middle of getting a country Israel,if we don't sacrifice Jewish blood the nations will say why should the Jews get a land,our main concern should be Israel."

The Jewish agency had a hand in killing the Hungarian Jewry.


If you cant answer without name calling,then you don't really have a case.


Sigh.

1. The Satmar Rebbe told his followers NOT to flee Europe. He promised them that they would be safe. When the Nazis came and they were not safe, Joel Teitelbaum ABANDONED his hasidim and left them to die.

2. The Satmar Rebbe was saved by the ZIONIST Rudolph Kasztner, the Jew who saved the most Jews from the Nazis. Teitelbaum refused to thank Kasztner because Kasztner was a Zionist, and for teh rest of his life, Teitelbaum would not acknowledge who saved him.

3. After the war, Teitelbaum and his followers made up stories of Teitelbaum's 'heroism.' All have been conclusively proved false.

4. Teitelbaum and his followers also spread lies about Kasztner. Those lies got Kasztner killed. But based on actual Nazi-era documents we did not have access to until the Iron Curtain fell, and based on the peer reviewed research of more than a dozen historians, we now know conclusively that Teitelbaum and his followers spread LIES, not truth.

5. In past couple years, Kasztner's own assassin said for the record that Kasztner was innocent and that he was very sorry for what he did to Kasztner based on those lies spread by Teitelbaum, his followers and the hard right fascist fringe of Israeli politicians.

6. Rabbi Wiessmandl and Orthodox 'historians' thought Wiessmandl had saved many lives by delaying deportation for 20 months. However, evidence from Slovakian archives and other detailed work done by PEER- REVIEWED historians shows that Wiessmandl was far less successful than he thought. I personally asked Randolph Brahams, considered to be the dean of historians of the Hungarian Holocaust, about this. He told me Kasztner was not a bad man, that he was clearly slandered, that he was not as effective as his supporters think. He said Wiessmandl was not successful either, and that the Nazis were only using him. (Kasztner on the other hand knew he was being used, and was able to manipulate that to do more good.)

7. The Jewish Agency actually saved Jews. What it had no interest in doing was giving the Nazis large amounts of money and military supplies, because it believed – correctly – that doing so would prolong the War and might even lead to a Nazi victory. Either result would kill far more Jews than could be temporarily 'saved' by supplying the Nazis. They also believed that the solution to this Holocaust or any future attempts at a Holocaust was a strong Jewish state in Palestine with a very strong army and the willingness to use it, and that is what they sought to achieve, and it is hard to argue with that.

8. To say,"he Jewish agency had a hand in killing the Hungarian Jewry," is a complete lie.

9. The Nazi's offer of Jews for millions of dollars or Jews for trucks and supplies could never have been carried out unless the Allies agreed – and the Allies never would have agreed. Their policy was that the faster the war ended, the better. More lives would be saved all around. And they were right.

10. The Satmar Rebbe, was saved by ZIONISTS. So were almost 1700 other Jews, most poor. There were Orthodox Jews, Reform Jews, secular Jews, Communists, Zionists, Fascists, Socialists, and democrats on that train. A large number were children. Past Kasztner's Train, he and Becker went to death camps and work camps and stopped mass killings near the end of the war. That saved about 20,000 more lives. The Satmar Rebbe saved no one. He lied about his own rescue. And his slanders about the Zionist who saved him helped get that Zionist murdered. If there is a hell, Joel Teitelbaum certainly spent a very long time in it. He was a vile human being.

When and IF the Satmar Rebbe ztl told his followers not to flee Europe,it was at a time when not much was known that the Nazis are killing Jews.
He didn't abandoned his chasidim,he did what a Jew was suppose to do: to try and get rescued. Anyone who had the capability tried everything to flee.

The Satmar Rebbe got on the Kastner train ONLY because money was paid to the Nazis. Plus his father- in-law Fisher requested it.
The Satmar Rebbe NEVER denied that he was on the Kastner train.

I don't know what you mean by "Teitelbaum and his followers made up stories of Teitelbaum's 'heroism.' All have been conclusively proved false".
But it doesn't matter because you know ZERO about this topic.

Satmar did not make up lies about Kastner.Maybe Malkiel Greenwald and Shmuel Tamir made up "lies".
The Zionist establishment killed Kastner becuase they were afraid what else he will reveal about their bloody role during the holocoast.

No one needs your agreement that the Jewish agency refused to give money to rescue when they themselves said it openly.

The Vad Hatzolah archives has dozens of cabels/telegrams where the Satmar Rebbe and Rabbi Wiesmandel are mentioned.

Its a waist to write and respond to the rest garbage you write.

Every single person i know from as a child, is a holocaust survivor.Some were in involved in rescuing Jews. You probably know and spoken to very few survivors.


You still didn't give me any proof how he lied.
its your blog and you can write whatever you want.
But you know ZERO about Satmar . All you know is name calling because you cant make a real case.


And All my fellow advocates wanna EDUCATE these people on sexual assualt, lamo

When and IF the Satmar Rebbe ztl told his followers not to flee Europe,it was at a time when not much was known that the Nazis are killing Jews.
He didn't abandoned his chasidim,he did what a Jew was suppose to do: to try and get rescued. Anyone who had the capability tried everything to flee.

No.

He told them then and he told them later not to flee. There are affidavits from Zionist messengers who went to Satmar to warn people that deportation meant death, and the Satmar Rebbe forbade them from talking to people, threatened them and had them thrown out of town.

There rest of what you write is sheer garbage.

As for Holocaust survivors that I may know, that number would be dozens, including very close friends – some from Romania and Hungary.

Unlike you, I've actually done things to perpetuate the memory of the Holocaust, including helping to lead the demonstration at Bitburg.

Joel Teitelbaum was a horrible man.


I wont call you a liar because you might get wild.
So will leave it at this.
But,
Most of the time when i respond,i try to respond to all you write.
You pick and choose,which is because you cant really answer and its also your blog.

You trying hard to discredit what Rabbi Wiesmandel wrote,but it wont work.The world is not as stupid as you think. They know what is truth and what is false.

The ONLY reason you hate so much Satmar,becuase he was an Orthodox Chasiddha Jew and of course if he was a rebbe that's even worse.
And you don't hide your vile hatred to anything frum Orthodox.
So you can write as much as you want as long as it fits your agenda.
Enjoy your rage

fuck the satmar rebbe. i hope that mamzer is rotting in hell.

I just looked back a bit at how you really know zero.

Look at your contradiction:

Yesterday at 05:53 PM
You write
"You're delusional.
He did not delay the deportation by 20 months or anything like it."

Today at 11:48 AM you write:

"Rabbi Wiessmandl and Orthodox 'historians' thought Wiessmandl had saved many lives by delaying deportation for 20 months. However, evidence from Slovakian archives and other detailed work done by PEER- REVIEWED historians shows that Wiessmandl was far less successful than he thought"

Just in case your so in denial you don't understand what you wrote,ill explain:
First you denied that he delayed the deportation.
Then you probably went to wikipedia where you take most of your info and you had to admit that he did delay for 20 months.however no lives were saved because of it or whatever.
And you call me delusional.

You're wrong.

Rabbi Wiessmandl and OJs thought deportation had been delayed because of what Rabbi Wiessmandl did.

In truth it was 'delayed,' but for the most part not due to Wiessmandl.

Wiessmandl's contribution was small, and the time he gained was small. That said, he did his best with what he had.

I saw two planes hit the world trade center.
I saw on the clip Rottenberg in hospital who looks almost dead.
Comes a "trained historian" 40 years from now with documented proof and will claim there was no plane it was a look alike plane but in reality it was a missile that hit the two buildings. And another writer will say its not Rottenberg it was an act from Hollywood.

Again,you keep on proofing that you really don't know much,only by what you read by "trained historian".
Rabbi Wiesmandel was part of history and he writes what he saw and what he heard all at that time.
Stick to Rubashkin where you are an expert.

You really are very foolish.

Rabbi Wiessmandl was IN A BUNKER. He had no idea what the Germans were really doing.

The facts prove you wrong. But you will never, ever look at them.

Deremes, you state that the Satmar Rebbe never lied about anything. It matters what you mean by lying.

The Satmar Rebbe no doubt taught that the world was created in seven days less then six thousand years ago, that the story of Noah's ark was true and that everything in the Torah and Talmud are literally true. It could be argued that someone who states as factually true something that never happened is a liar whilst others would say that he would only be a liar if he himself believed that this was untrue.

In any event someone who constantly claims as true something which has been pointed out to him as obviously not true because it does not fit his agenda will find himself considered as generally untrustworthy.

Most educated people simply do not believe anything a Hareidi Jew tells them to be fact for the simple reason that they live in a fantasy world in which 'facts' (such as Karelitz removing his spectacles) are created so as to fit a particular agenda. Indeed the manner Hareidim are brought up makes it impossible for them psychologically to accept as fact anything which would challenge their beliefs however obvious that truth may be. Indeed they consider any Jew who may challenge their belief system is liable to death.

No doubt you will consider this as hate but the reason no one other that Hareidim have regard to what the Satmar Rav or Rabbi Weissmandl claim as fact is because as Hareidim they obviously live a life of magical realism in which truth and fantasy are intertwined in such a way as it is impossible to tell what is true and what is not. Just as I will not take anything a 911 truther states as historical fact neither will I take anything Satmar state as historical fact. The 911 truther needs to believe that the Government was prepared to murder its own citizen and will create its own 'half truths' ie lies, as evidence of that. Satmar need to believe that Zionists were responsible for the Holocaust and will act similarly. To argue with a Satmar Chossid is as big a waste of time as to argue with a 911 truther.

Barry,
Since my English is not that well,it will take me a lifetime to read and to understand what you wrote.
I wonder if you do understand.

But from the few seconds that i did read, instead of arguing with you,wherever you wrote satmar/Karleitz/haredi just change it to barry and your ilks.

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